Is it written who you get married to ?

[Qiyas]

:salams

I'm just wondering if it's written who you get married to, you know, in the way that rizq is written...

:jkk:

:salams

[Cartman]

yes

[$HugoBoss$]

Yeah allah decides this in heaven or something like that.

[Qiyas]

yes
Is the time you get married to them also written, like Oct 2007 etc ?

[WahYaLookin'At?]

I like that idea, how everything is planned subhanAllah,

:lahawla:

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.

[$HugoBoss$]

Is the time you get married to them also written, like Oct 2007 etc ?

Yep even what's gonna be served for dinner as well :coolbro:

[Cartman]

Is the time you get married to them also written, like Oct 2007 etc ?

yep

[urban_rose]

'Marriages are made in Heaven, but celebrated on Earth...the union of two souls is.....(something something something :p)'

:o

:outta:

[Qiyas]

yep

ok

and this may sound stupid, but, the only way to have a kid in terms of halal and haram, is to have a kid after being married, right ?

[urban_rose]

ok

and this may sound stupid, but, the only way to have a kid in terms of halal and haram, is to have a kid after being married, right ?

yeah, through marriage...otherwise the kid is an outcome of zinaa..

[Cartman]

ok

and this may sound stupid, but, the only way to have a kid in terms of halal and haram, is to have a kid after being married, right ?

yep

[Qiyas]

yeah, through marriage...otherwise the kid is an outcome of zinaa..

So then, if mr khan, and ms hussain have a kid in Oct 2007, but aren't married, how did that happen ? (lol, not how did that kid come, but how come they didn't get married, if you see what I mean ?)

[WahYaLookin'At?]

So then, if mr khan, and ms hussain have a kid in Oct 2007, but aren't married, how did that happen ? (lol, not how did that kid come, but how come they didn't get married, if you see what I mean ?)

I knew this was gonna lead to this, that is because we have the choice of doing what is right and what is wrong

And ultimately when we choose to do wrong we fall into shaytaans trap and stray away from siratul mutaqeem,

May Allah (Subhana wa ta'ala) save us from that, Ameen (Say Ameen)

AsalamuAlaykum Warahmatullah.

[urban_rose]

So then, if mr khan, and ms hussain have a kid in Oct 2007, but aren't married, how did that happen ? (lol, not how did that kid come, but how come they didn't get married, if you see what I mean ?)

cause it was written in their fate to happen...if they had stayed away from zinaa then it wouldnt have happened...but the whole issue with taqdeer/fate is really complex...

[Cartman]

So then, if mr khan, and ms hussain have a kid in Oct 2007, but aren't married, how did that happen ? (lol, not how did that kid come, but how come they didn't get married, if you see what I mean ?)

yall had a child out of wedlock


just because youre not married doesnt mean you cant physically have children, it just means you sinned.

some things are written for you, but how you achieve them are up to you.

For example, allah may write for you a total income of 235,000 dollars. You could either be a drug dealer and get that money, or ne a legitimate businessman but your going to get that money.


but if I were you the whole taqdee/qadar thing is not good to dwelve into in detail. ITs like admiring the suns beauty, if you stare too loong, youl lget burnt

[muhammed_1428]

Yep even what's gonna be served for dinner as well :coolbro:

yummy, cant wait :D :p

[Qiyas]

just because youre not married doesnt mean you cant physically have children, it just means you sinned

What I meant was that if the child was meant to be born, then why weren't the parents married. Like, if you're meant to have £10 in your life, you'll get it somehow, right ?

[Cartman]

What I meant was that if the child was meant to be born, then why weren't the parents married. Like, if you're meant to have £10 in your life, you'll get it somehow, right ?

yes,

because they werent married, they commited zina.

you have a will, and allah has a will.

And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.

[Qiyas]

because they werent married, they commited zina.


So, does that mean that they weren't meant to get married ?

[MG]

so far, i can see people have given their opinions but have provided no daleel (evidence) of where it states in Quran or Hadith that it is written who you get married to.

[carol_au]

And one of His [Allah’s] signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy; most surely there are signs in this for people who reflect.) (Ar-Rum 30:21)

"Verily We have created all things with Al Qadar"(54:49)

On the authority of Abdullah bin Abbas, who said : One day I was behind the prophet and he said to me:
"Young man, I shall teach you some words [of advice] : Be mindful of Allah, and Allah will protect you. Be mindful of Allah, and you will find Him in front of you. If you ask, ask of Allah; if you seek help, seek help of Allah. Know that if the Nation were to gather together to benefit you with anything, it would benefit you only with something that Allah had already prescribed for you, and that if they gather together to harm you with anything, they would harm you only with something Allah had already prescribed for you. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried."

[hanaa_al_muminah]

[QUOTE=Qiyas;2373482]:salams

I'm just wondering if it's written who you get married to, you know, in the way that rizq is written...

:jkk:


yep it is....wen ur in the womb of ur mum an angel is sent to confirm who u gna marry.................................
also in the qur'an Allah states that one of his signs is that he has created for u a mate .....n that he places between u love n mercy...(SORRY CNT remember the verse of chapter..bt im sure sum 1 here knows)
so u dnt need to go n get a b'f or g'f...........see ISLAM is soo easy n simple.......Alhamdillah im a MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!

[MG]

And one of His [Allah’s] signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy; most surely there are signs in this for people who reflect.) (Ar-Rum 30:21)

"Verily We have created all things with Al Qadar"(54:49)

On the authority of Abdullah bin Abbas, who said : One day I was behind the prophet and he said to me:
"Young man, I shall teach you some words [of advice] : Be mindful of Allah, and Allah will protect you. Be mindful of Allah, and you will find Him in front of you. If you ask, ask of Allah; if you seek help, seek help of Allah. Know that if the Nation were to gather together to benefit you with anything, it would benefit you only with something that Allah had already prescribed for you, and that if they gather together to harm you with anything, they would harm you only with something Allah had already prescribed for you. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried."

This is a tafseer for the above quranic verse, it doesnt mention about marriages being fixed for everyone , there are many people who live their life never getting the opportunity to ever marry, i.e. its their test to keep their chastity?

(It is He Who has created you from a single person, and He has created from him his wife, in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her) (7:189). This refers to Hawwa'. Allah created her from Adam, from the short rib on his left. If Allah had made all of Adam's progeny male, and created the females from another kind, such as from Jinn or animals, there would never have been harmony between them and their spouses. There would have been revulsion if the spouses had been from a different kind. Out of Allah's perfect mercy He made their wives from their own kind, and created love and kindness between them. For a man stays with a woman because he loves her, or because he feels compassion towards her if they have a child together, or because she needs him to take care of her, etc.


in regards to the hadith, i think thats open to interpretation, i dont think its specifically talking about when marraige is prescribed for everyone.

[carol_au]

This is a tafseer for the above quranic verse, it doesnt mention about marriages being fixed for everyone , there are many people who live their life never getting the opportunity to ever marry, i.e. its their test to keep their chastity?

(It is He Who has created you from a single person, and He has created from him his wife, in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her) (7:189). This refers to Hawwa'. Allah created her from Adam, from the short rib on his left. If Allah had made all of Adam's progeny male, and created the females from another kind, such as from Jinn or animals, there would never have been harmony between them and their spouses. There would have been revulsion if the spouses had been from a different kind. Out of Allah's perfect mercy He made their wives from their own kind, and created love and kindness between them. For a man stays with a woman because he loves her, or because he feels compassion towards her if they have a child together, or because she needs him to take care of her, etc.


in regards to the hadith, i think thats open to interpretation, i dont think its specifically talking about when marraige is prescribed for everyone.





Sis I didn't comment on it .. because I didn't post with the expectation that people do get married. The thread is about "is it written who you get married to"

I just posted those to say that whether we do or dont.. Allah is in control.. There is a miracle in two strangers suddenly coming together in marriage... and especially when they go on to love each other after marriage..

Likewise the one who never marries or who remarries yets find their contentment in that.. isn't that also a miracle ?

I can't comment on any thing yet.. my knowledge is not there to do that.. . but those verses and hadith give me peace. I can trust Allah with all things.. For He knows all things.

[MG]

Sis I didn't comment on it .. because I didn't post with the expectation that people do get married. I just posted those to say that whether we do or dont.. Allah is in control..

ok sis, i thought u were answering the initial post in this thread by saying yes it is written ,sorry for the confusion:up:

[wayoutback]

And one of His [Allah’s] signs is that He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find tranquillity in them, and He put between you love and mercy; most surely there are signs in this for people who reflect.) (Ar-Rum 30:21)

"Verily We have created all things with Al Qadar"(54:49)

On the authority of Abdullah bin Abbas, who said : One day I was behind the prophet and he said to me:
"Young man, I shall teach you some words [of advice] : Be mindful of Allah, and Allah will protect you. Be mindful of Allah, and you will find Him in front of you. If you ask, ask of Allah; if you seek help, seek help of Allah. Know that if the Nation were to gather together to benefit you with anything, it would benefit you only with something that Allah had already prescribed for you, and that if they gather together to harm you with anything, they would harm you only with something Allah had already prescribed for you. The pens have been lifted and the pages have dried."

So....if it is written who you get married to, and even marry that person...then is it haram for them to separate?

[Cartman]

So....if it is written who you get married to, and even marry that person...then is it haram for them to separate?

no it is not haram that they seperate, because allah knows they will seperate

[$HugoBoss$]

no it is not haram that they seperate, because allah knows they will seperate

So why get married in the first place :confused:

[PiElle2]

So why get married in the first place :confused:

that's for you to find out why...?

[Fitnah Bolice]

So why get married in the first place :confused:

Because you don't know, so you try to make the marriage work to the best of your ability.

[beamz]

SubhanAllah, Allah knows best

[Raziel]

:salams

I'm just wondering if it's written who you get married to, you know, in the way that rizq is written...

:jkk:

:salams

:salams

Akhi I don't know if it is Written down, but Allah Tabarak Wata'ala knows what we are going to do, all out choices, all the possibilities, so he knows precisely what we are going to do ...

Al-Quran, Chapter 3 : Verse 5
------------------------------
"From Allah, verily nothing is hidden on earth or in the heavens."

:sub:

:jkk:

[Raziel]

So....if it is written who you get married to, and even marry that person...then is it haram for them to separate?

With regard to Divorce, if it is done according to the Sharia, for Legitimate reasons then no, otherwise it is ...

Whatever is written is based on Allah Ta'ala knowledge of the Future, therefore it will always be true ...

:jkk:

[Raziel]

So why get married in the first place :confused:

Allah Tabarak wata'ala does not compel people, he gave them a brain and the capability to chose for a reason, otherwise it would not be a Test (the Dunya) ...

:jkk:

[LastFriday]

I sure hope so, cuz I suck at making decisions :smack:

[Treasured Soul]

There are some things that are written for us i.e. we are destined and there are somethings where we can make our own decisions ...

Example ... we are created with two legs ... we can pull one up without falling but not both .. so we are limited to our kismet.

I'm not sure if Marriages are written in heavan ... someone told me there is a hadeeth on it, though I've not seen it myself.

But I guess it just makes you wonder, if marriages are actually written in heaven ... then ppl that remarry after divorce ... was their divorce not inevitable?

[Qiyas]

:salams

I know in my head, what the answer is to my question, but, I can't get it into a coherent thought. It's like it's at the tip of my brain, and my tongue.

I'm sure it's a cross between the films called Sliding Doors and The Butterfly Effect.

Basically, Allaah SWT permits us us to have to make the choice.
Think of two parallel worlds, for every choice we make. Every time we make a choice, we are put in front of a pond and given a stone. Either we just throw the stone into the water, watch it sink, watch the ripples, and face the consequences,
or,
we use our knowledge and skim the stone across the surface of the water, and get to the other side...

Sorry, the above probably made no sense at all to any one apart from me..

:wswrwb:

[Qiyas]

was their divorce not inevitable?

:salams

One thing I know for certain, is that:

Whether the divorce was inevitable or not, is not important.
What is important is how you got to that divorce. Remember, you won't be punished for divorce, but, if your partner divorces you because you were not treating them correctly according to Islam, then it will be your fault...

Death is inevitable, but how you die is down to you, i.e. in a Halal way or Haram way (e.g. your murdered = Halal, you commit suicide = Haraam, either way it was your time to go)

:wswrwb:

[Treasured Soul]

@ post #37 ... lol ... actually I kinda know what your talking about ... its like we make choices ... but Allah swt has limited us in one form or another i.e. the example of the leg.


Once my sis tried explaining it to me ... and I just couldnt understand ... its like ppl say death is written ... you will die the day its written ... the way we die is written. So if death is written and the way we die is destined, how can we be accountable for commiting suicide??

This is where my sis explained ... the only reason its written, the way its written is because Allah knows everything, he knows exactly what decisions we will make ... its kinda like him going into our future and writing it all, cuz he already knows. Then we live that life that has been written for us ... but for the choices where we have free will.

I probably confused you more :confused:

[Treasured Soul]

:salams

One thing I know for certain, is that:

Whether the divorce was inevitable or not, is not important.
What is important is how you got to that divorce. Remember, you won't be punished for divorce, but, if your partner divorces you because you were not treating them correctly according to Islam, then it will be your fault...

Death is inevitable, but how you die is down to you, i.e. in a Halal way or Haram way (e.g. your murdered = Halal, you commit suicide = Haraam, either way it was your time to go)

:wswrwb:

well said ... the choice is ours ... thats what I'm trying to say ... I had a family member over the other day and said ppl that commit suicide are not in the wrong ... it was written like that i.e in their kismet ... i got really wound up so gave up :(

[Qiyas]

the only reason its written, the way its written is because Allah knows everythingThen we live that life that has been written for us ...

You will be shot, is written. Whether you get shot, or whether you shoot yourself, is up to you. That's the way I think it is, but I'm not sure.


but for the choices where we have free will.


We don't have free Will. We have freedom of choice. Lol, if you had free will, you could live forever if you willed it, or make yourself 20 years younger etc. What you have, is a freedom to make choices within the limits willed by Allah SWT...

Saw that in a talk by Sheikh Jafar Idris and Aakhi Yusuf Estes

[Qiyas]

wppl that commit suicide are not in the wrong ... it was written like that i.e in their kismet ... i got really wound up so gave up :(

Ukhti, don't ever give up, just regroup and replan, lol.

Regarding your family member, no offence but they are wrong.
Why ?

Because there are Ahadith about suicide...

Hadith - Bukhari 2:445, Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:576, Narrated Qais bin Abi Hazim, see also Bukhari 8:361, 438
We went to pay a visit to Khabbab (who was sick) and he had been branded (cauterized) at seven places in his body. He said, "Our companions who died (during the lifetime of the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif) left (this world) without having their rewards reduced through enjoying the pleasures of this life, but we have got (so much) wealth that we find no way to spend it except on the construction of buildings. Had the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif not forbidden us to wish for death, I would have wished for it." We visited him for the second time while he was building a wall. He said, -A Muslim is rewarded (in the Hereafter) for whatever he spends except for something that he spends on building."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:670, Narrated Abu Huraira
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."

[Treasured Soul]

^^ Thank for the sources of hadeeths bro ... but I think its hard for some ppl to accept. if the topic ever does come up again, I will try to make a much clearer speech ... I'm normally NOT the one to debate, so when I was challenged me, he caught me off guard, lol.


Having said all that .. and knowing that suicide is haraam ... sometimes it makes me think ... its not easy taking your own life ... ppl are usually in a very depressed state ... and it makes me wonder IF they actually have their sanity? If not, is it still classified as suicide?

[Treasured Soul]

Saw that in a talk by Sheikh Jafar Idris and Aakhi Yusuf Estes

Is this talk online by any chance? or do you know the title of it ... I could try searching it.

[Qiyas]

its not easy taking your own life

It is easier to take your own life at worst. At best, it's arrogant.

It's easier to take your own life and it's arrogant because, you are then giving yourself one of Allaah SWT's names and attributes:

Al-Ghaib...

You are also saying that you have the right to try and end the life that your Creator gave to you, and that you are trying to take away his right over you. You are also saying that the materialistic things (and your nafs) are more important than following the commands of Allaah SWT...

As to being held accountable, depending on your state of mind, Allahu Aalim...

[Qiyas]

Is this talk online by any chance? or do you know the title of it ... I could try searching it.

I know that the part of the talk with Dr Jaffer Idris was called Faith and Knowledge, and that it was a lecture by him and Aakhi Yusuf Estes, at the Peace Vision conference in India, in January...

[Treasured Soul]

It is easier to take your own life at worst. At best, it's arrogant.

It's easier to take your own life and it's arrogant because, you are then giving yourself one of Allaah SWT's names and attributes:

Al-Ghaib...

You are also saying that you have the right to try and end the life that your Creator gave to you, and that you are trying to take away his right over you. You are also saying that the materialistic things (and your nafs) are more important than following the commands of Allaah SWT...

As to being held accountable, depending on your state of mind, Allahu Aalim...

I understand what your saying ... its just that I feel its not as easy as I kill myself and go to hell or do i stay alive and go to heaven ... perhaps they are in a clear state of mind where they know if they actually know what they are doing. or perhaps ppl loose their sanity and perhaps not sure of what they are doing. Allah swt knows best.

I just remember a phase I went through ... and I wasnt thinking very clearly, call it a temporary moment of insanity ... it wasnt very pleasant ... alhumdillah, Allah swt showed me the way back.

Its when I think about that moment, perhaps not all ppl are fortunate to come back ...

Neways ... I think we have gone waaay off topic and I apolgise to the author for taking this thread off tangent.

[Qiyas]

I apolgise to the author for taking this thread off tangent.

Lol, it's ok. no need to apologise :D

[Treasured Soul]

LOL!! Ur the author!! :D


How embarrasing :o

[Mullah_Din]

I had a family member over the other day and said ppl that commit suicide are not in the wrong ... it was written like that i.e in their kismet ... i got really wound up so gave up :(

Sorry, treasured Soul, but, Allah Taa'la’s will doesn’t justify committing sins !

Wassalaam Ma'al Ikraam,

[Mullah_Din]

The Holy Qur’an states that while Allah Taa'la has decreed everything, and that His Decree is at once all-wise and impeccable, human beings have been granted freedom to choose (from right and wrong). The freedom granted to humans, however, does not contradict Allah Taa'la’s Will or Decree, as it itself is a part of Allah Taa'la’s Will, since man would not have been able to choose if it was not for Allah Taala’s Will.

[Treasured Soul]

Sorry, treasured Soul, but, Allah Taa'la’s will doesn’t justify committing sins !

Wassalaam Ma'al Ikraam,

Sorry, Either you didnt understand me or I dont understand you :confused:

[PiElle2]

Ukhti, don't ever give up, just regroup and replan, lol.

Regarding your family member, no offence but they are wrong.
Why ?

Because there are Ahadith about suicide...

Hadith - Bukhari 2:445, Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak
The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:576, Narrated Qais bin Abi Hazim, see also Bukhari 8:361, 438
We went to pay a visit to Khabbab (who was sick) and he had been branded (cauterized) at seven places in his body. He said, "Our companions who died (during the lifetime of the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif) left (this world) without having their rewards reduced through enjoying the pleasures of this life, but we have got (so much) wealth that we find no way to spend it except on the construction of buildings. Had the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif not forbidden us to wish for death, I would have wished for it." We visited him for the second time while he was building a wall. He said, -A Muslim is rewarded (in the Hereafter) for whatever he spends except for something that he spends on building."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:670, Narrated Abu Huraira

The Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."


A Muslim is rewarded (in the Hereafter) for whatever he spends except for something that he spends on building."

I'm not very sure about this... can you help me? Does the word "building" have a literal meaning to it like the physical wall that he is building...? :scratch:

[Dain Bramaged]

Sorry, treasured Soul, but, Allah Taa'la’s will doesn’t justify committing sins !

Wassalaam Ma'al Ikraam,

How is being separated i.e. getting a divorce - fate but a person committing suicide not. If Allah planned for a couple to leave one another then say the man for instance went and committed suicide, then did Allah not want that. Then maybe its not the person to blame because his fate was already decided by Allah :rolleyes:

[PiElle2]

How is being separated i.e. getting a divorce - fate but a person committing suicide not. If Allah planned for a couple to leave one another then say the man for instance went and committed suicide, then did Allah not want that. Then maybe its not the person to blame because his fate was already decided by Allah :rolleyes:


hmm... perhaps the woman should not have chose a man with suicidal tendency in the first place.

if she had decided to marry him, maybe she should have tried to help him to come out of his suicidal tendency...

a couple help each other out in a marriage...

:)

[Raziel]

well said ... the choice is ours ... thats what I'm trying to say ... I had a family member over the other day and said ppl that commit suicide are not in the wrong ... it was written like that i.e in their kismet ... i got really wound up so gave up :(

I read in the Papers a police chief I think nicked a couple Hundred thousand Takka in Bangladesh and them claimed it was the Will of Allah ... :smack:

such people have no Brains at all ...

their Future is Written based on Allah Ta'ala's Prior knowledge of their actions, deeds, so they are to blame ...

suicide = total Hopelessness, no Hope in Allah Ta'ala at all ... this is why they will end up in Jahannam ...

:jkk:

[Mullah_Din]

How is being separated i.e. getting a divorce - fate but a person committing suicide not. If Allah planned for a couple to leave one another then say the man for instance went and committed suicide, then did Allah not want that. Then maybe its not the person to blame because his fate was already decided by Allah :rolleyes:

Drain Bramaged, I apologise if I failed to make you understand!
This would indicate that Allah Taa'la, Na'uzu Billaah, 'wills' people to do wrong! When a person goes to a pub, knowing it is Haraam, and he still goes, it because it was planned for him by Allah Taa'la - NO!

In the Holy Qur'an, Allah Taa'la has spoken about His control and power as well as human freedom and responsibility. Both aspects are very clearly mentioned in the Holy Qur'an.

There is NO denying that everything is 'al-qada wa al-qadar', the decision and determination of Allah Taa'la, but, he has given you a brain, you know from right to wrong!

In the Light of a Hadith, I, merely, think, we shouldn't discuss or dispute this, as mentioned by Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (Radi Allah Anho) narrates that, 'Once while we were disputing about the concept of Qadr, The Holy Prophet, Hadhrat Muhammad-ur Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) came upon us. (Seeing us debating the subject of Qadr) He (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) became so much filled with anger that His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) face became red. His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) face reddened (with anger) to such an extent that it seemed that the seeds of a pomegranate were squeezed out on His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) cheeks. He (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) exclaimed, 'What! Have I been sent to you for this? Verily, those before you were destroyed when they disputed in this question. I give you an oath! I give you an oath! (i.e. I command you) Do not dispute in it'.

(Narrated by Imam Tirmidhi)

[Dain Bramaged]

Drain Bramaged, I apologise if I failed to make you understand!
This would indicate that Allah Taa'la, Na'uzu Billaah, 'wills' people to do wrong! When a person goes to a pub, knowing it is Haraam, and he still goes, it because it was planned for him by Allah Taa'la - NO!

What about if someone was running across the road to get their ball, and a car ran him over (god forbid), maybe he shouldve stayed home, or was that 'fate' :rolleyes:

In the Holy Qur'an, Allah Taa'la has spoken about His control and power as well as human freedom and responsibility. Both aspects are very clearly mentioned in the Holy Qur'an.

There is NO denying that everything is 'al-qada wa al-qadar', the decision and determination of Allah Taa'la, but, he has given you a brain, you know from right to wrong!

Whats wrong for you could be right for me and vice-versa ;)

In the Light of a Hadith, I, merely, think, we shouldn't discuss or dispute this, as mentioned by Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (Radi Allah Anho) narrates that, 'Once while we were disputing about the concept of Qadr, The Holy Prophet, Hadhrat Muhammad-ur Rasulullaah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) came upon us. (Seeing us debating the subject of Qadr) He (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) became so much filled with anger that His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) face became red. His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) face reddened (with anger) to such an extent that it seemed that the seeds of a pomegranate were squeezed out on His (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) cheeks. He (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) exclaimed, 'What! Have I been sent to you for this? Verily, those before you were destroyed when they disputed in this question. I give you an oath! I give you an oath! (i.e. I command you) Do not dispute in it'.

Got it. Thanks for that :up:

[Mullah_Din]

Got it. Thanks for that :up:

I'm glad you get it.

Take care,

Wassalaam,

[nadzz]

Salaam what ALLAH has written for us will happen.

AH

[Dain Bramaged]

Salaam what ALLAH has written for us will happen.

AH

What if he runs out of ink :( :D :rolleyes:

[Riceball]

What if he runs out of ink :( :D :rolleyes:

Funny! :(

Please don't joke about allah.

[Dain Bramaged]

hmm... perhaps the woman should not have chose a man with suicidal tendency in the first place.

if she had decided to marry him, maybe she should have tried to help him to come out of his suicidal tendency...

a couple help each other out in a marriage...

:)

LoL how would she know he is the type to top himself :confused:... she can help him top himself jk :) :rolleyes: