Types of arabic

[ahmedz123]

Salaam

Whats the dfference between Claasic/quranic/fusha and MSA arabic?

[.: Anna :.]

some vocabulary, some ways of phrasing things...
the difference is not as much as between the classical and the spoken daily arabic, grammar is quite consistant..
by MSA Arabic i am presuming u mean "modern standard" right?

[Mu'min girl]

What do you call the Arabic that is used in the Quran and Hadeeth?
Classical or Fushaa?

[.: Anna :.]

What do you call the Arabic that is used in the Quran and Hadeeth?
Classical or Fushaa?

I would call it Quranic :p

[perfectpearl]

Salaam

Whats the dfference between Claasic/quranic/fusha and MSA arabic?

The classic Arabic is the Quranic Arabic. Its the language of the Quran and thats why its called classical Arabic. No one really uses it except when they obviously read Quran.

Fusha and MSA are the same. Thats what you hear on the news in Arabic. Its practically the modern standard way of talking formal Arabic in the Arab countries. Also thats how Arabic lectures are told. Thats the more "educated" way of speaking.

[perfectpearl]

What do you call the Arabic that is used in the Quran and Hadeeth?
Classical or Fushaa?

Its the classical Arabic. Its the Arabic that was used back then which is the Arabic that came down in the Quran. The Arabs used to talk with classical Arabic and thats why the Quran wasnt really translated to them.
Classical = Quran Arabic/ahadeeth Arabic/the way Arabs spoke back then


Fushaa is more recent which is MSA. I explained it up ^ there.
Everyone started speaking in a different dialect and classical was way to hard so they made up something called MSA (fushaa) Arabic. Its the more formal way of speaking arabic in this modern days.

[Cyril]

In my opinion fuSHaa, which means "the most eloquent (language)", is synonymous to Classical Arabic.

MSA is the modern adaptation of fuSHaa/Classical Arabic.

I think fuSHaa is the name Arabic speaking people use to say Classical Arabic.

Of course those who do not know about the difference between MSA and Classical Arabic, and those who deny any difference between the two, will use use the name fuSHaa for MSA.

[Raziel]

What do you call the Arabic that is used in the Quran and Hadeeth?
Classical or Fushaa?

I don't know what it's called but it is the Pinnacle of the Arabic Language ...:up:

:jkk:

[Cyril]

I don't know what it's called but it is the Pinnacle of the Arabic Language ...:up:

:jkk:

I would'nt say pinnacle. All languages have qualities and defects, and people tend to drop what they consider a hindrance.

The declension which is a feature of Classical Arabic is more or less put aside in MSA.

Other languages showed the same evolution, see English which dropped its declensions altogether.

[perfectpearl]

In my opinion fuSHaa, which means "the most eloquent (language)", is synonymous to Classical Arabic.

MSA is the modern adaptation of fuSHaa/Classical Arabic.

I think fuSHaa is the name Arabic speaking people use to say Classical Arabic.

Of course those who do not know about the difference between MSA and Classical Arabic, and those who deny any difference between the two, will use use the name fuSHaa for MSA.

Well the most eloquent language in todays modern world is MSA. Of course we can argue that Classical Arabic is the most eloquent of all times but that doesnt mean its the fushaa of todays society.

No one really speaks Quranic/Classical Arabic. Its beautiful... it should be called fushaa but no one uses it unless in Quran or ahadith.

[.: Anna :.]

I would'nt say pinnacle. All languages have qualities and defects, and people tend to drop what they consider a hindrance.

The declension which is a feature of Classical Arabic is more or less put aside in MSA.

Other languages showed the same evolution, see English which dropped its declensions altogether.

It is the pinnacle. You will not find any literature or text whatsoever in Arabic which comes close to the eloquence of the Quran.

[the_middle_road]

I would'nt say pinnacle. All languages have qualities and defects, and people tend to drop what they consider a hindrance.

The declension which is a feature of Classical Arabic is more or less put aside in MSA.

Other languages showed the same evolution, see English which dropped its declensions altogether.

Following that line of thinking den ppl who spk lyk dis are more eloquent than those who use English properly? :D ;)

[Cyril]

It is the pinnacle. You will not find any literature or text whatsoever in Arabic which comes close to the eloquence of the Quran.


You raise a subject which interests me, the eloquence of the Quran. Is the Quran eloquent just by itself or is it eloquent in comparison to other Arabic texts?

Every Muslim puts it forward, but when it comes to facts, that is giving examples of that eloquence, then there is nobody around.
I have asked several times on various Muslim forums to be shown a passage of the Quran which shows that famous eloquence and no one has produced any.
I am puzzled. Either it is a case of people repeating century after century some religious assertions about the Quran without having checked them by themselves, or it is a kind of religious taboo that you are forbidden to question that belief of an extraordinary eloquence in the Quran.

[.: Anna :.]

There are examples, and yes we can go into that.
But I would like to start it in a new thread because it is a different topic really than what this thread was orginally about. So I will make that in the quran and islamic section, i will put the link here and u can come, and we can discuss it insha allah