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[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

When you talk about the moderation of each post, do you also include replies/responses? In that case it would be a lot of work for the mods/admins to take on, especially if this forum becomes active. The moderation of threads/topics should enough.

Just my thoughts.

Ma'aSalaama

[MG]

If someone has a problem and mentions names or refers to someone in a way that he/she can be recognised, then it would be considered as backbiting. In any case, ALL posts will be moderated.


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[Shadow]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

When you talk about the moderation of each post, do you also include replies/responses? In that case it would be a lot of work for the mods/admins to take on, especially if this forum becomes active. The moderation of threads/topics should enough.

Just my thoughts.

Ma'aSalaama
Currently we will be moderating each posts. This is to ensure that all users use this facility maturely and sensibly so it is not abused.

[Desi_Madam]

cool stuff :up:

[MMS]

can i be a counselor i always give the best advice

[Shadow]

can i be a counselor i always give the best advice
If we feel your posts are sensible and relevant, then they will be approved.

[K@M]

mashaAllah good idea *gets posting* :p

[Ayah]

Oh, masha Allah. This is really cool. A few years back, we were trying to organize a "counselling team" for the ummah chat, but the project never worked out. It's probably easier to do this via a forum compared to "live chat." Khayr. :) Hope it's successful insha Allah.

~ Ayah

[wahida]

salam walikum

sorry unknowingly i've posted it twice wondering where my post has gone...
and i came to know tht i'm allowed to open a new thread only whn i'm member for a month or i post 100 posts
so i have a doubt is it 100 posts and one month menmber or 100 posts or 1 month member...plz let me know i'm getting confused

[dhakiyya]

You can open a new thread here without being a member because its an anonymous forum. log out then go to this section without logging in again and you can post anonymously, including starting threads.

[abdusamad]

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh,


The intention of this forum seems well from what I have seen, but however The threads and the contents posted by the anonymous individuals are out of our hands and they should be going to the ulema with it instead of here.

People are advising others without showing the evidence of their conclusions. This is plain ignorance because these are important questions individuals are bringing forward. People are giving answers based on their preference if they found that they were in that situations, This is Wrong!


Good example of someone who experienced something in the past which they find is causing discomfort in their marriage. People are advising for this individual to speak of it in open to their husband. SubhanAllaah. Are they willing to hold responsibility if this may damage the person's relationship with her husband? Creating this platform for issues like this I believe, and I may be wrong because I am human, would cause more harm then good in the long run.

We are not scholars of Deen. However some of us are feeling comfortable in taking that role. For the sake of protecting yourselves and others from ruining your akhirah with this, which I am sure you had a good intention for, close it entirely.


Allaah knows best.

[dhakiyya]

There are sticky threads that explain that we are not scholars and basically what you are warning about.

However for many problems, people want to talk to Muslims that have been through the same thing and can advise from that perspective. There is nothing Islamically wrong with telling someone to discuss this issue with their husband, and in the case you are talking about the sister says her husband already knows about it. It is sexual abuse as a child that she is talking about, which is entirely not her fault, so why would telling her husband about it do damage? (other than the risk of the husband wanting to kill the person that did that to her)

[abdusamad]

There are sticky threads that explain that we are not scholars and basically what you are warning about.

However for many problems, people want to talk to Muslims that have been through the same thing and can advise from that perspective. There is nothing Islamically wrong with telling someone to discuss this issue with their husband, and in the case you are talking about the sister says her husband already knows about it. It is sexual abuse as a child that she is talking about, which is entirely not her fault, so why would telling her husband about it do damage? (other than the risk of the husband wanting to kill the person that did that to her)


Why would knowing from someone be so important, shouldn't a muslim ultimately want to get their answers from an Islamic point of view? I have not said that if the sister told her husband it would cause problems, I said it could be possibly, we dont know, well I dont know the very least, and it differs for different people, for some it becomes a problem, and for some it doesnt (like this sister).


Islam has taught us everything it left nothing untouched Alhamdulillah it taught us how to use the toilet and how to relief ourselves. It also has answers for situations like the one the sister found herself in. Sp now we know Islam has the answer for it, then it would only be give the sister an answer from the Islamic point of view. The women of the Sahabah went with their questions to the Prophet (SAWS) and since the Ulema inherited the knowledge of the prophets (AS) we should direct our women to them.


I am not worried about thread starters, I am worried about those who reply to them with their posts. The brother/sister who started the thread could easily be misguided.

[dhakiyya]

I do understand your concerns. In fact I am thinking maybe I should have a sticky up here explaining the difference between giving advice and giving a fatwa.

I don't think that we should be afraid to advise and help, but that we should know our limitations. And the people posting do need to be aware that we are not scholars and the advice we give is not a fatwa.

The fact that as you say these things differ from person to person mean that there is not one single answer for this problem. And to give advice to someone based on what you know and/or have experience of is not unislamic. At the mosque with the sisters I know we talk about problems and discuss resolving them, so doing the same here is no different. Where we don't know the Islamic ruling on something, inshaAllah we ask one of the sisters who does know (alhamdulillah there are several sisters who are aalimas at our masjid)

[ur_yusra]

Abdusamad..

There are times when you are allowed to give your own opinions.

Muslims arent fiqh textbooks.

[abdusamad]

I do understand your concerns. In fact I am thinking maybe I should have a sticky up here explaining the difference between giving advice and giving a fatwa.

I don't think that we should be afraid to advise and help, but that we should know our limitations. And the people posting do need to be aware that we are not scholars and the advice we give is not a fatwa.

The fact that as you say these things differ from person to person mean that there is not one single answer for this problem. And to give advice to someone based on what you know and/or have experience of is not unislamic. At the mosque with the sisters I know we talk about problems and discuss resolving them, so doing the same here is no different. Where we don't know the Islamic ruling on something, inshaAllah we ask one of the sisters who does know (alhamdulillah there are several sisters who are aalimas at our masjid)


That is very good. But I understand not everyone has access to Aalimaas.


Please do put up a sticky on difference between advicing and giving a fatwa.

Alhamdulillaah its a relief atleast I got my concerns off my chest. I hope the moderators/administrators have taking it on board.


Alright I am off, JazakAllaah khayran, wa BarakAllaah Feekum, Wa Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh.

[*hayat*]

sorry i had not read this but posted few times, i am really sorry

salam

[dhakiyya]

Thats okay, I approved one of them and deleted the rest mashaAllah :)

[mom2joseph2004]

I see that there is censorship of what's being posted. I posted two different replies neither of which were permitted to be posted on the threads. I wrote these responses out of genuine concern and a desire to help and to convey my thoughts as a muslim born in North America with a desire to practice my faith while living within this culture and respecting the people in it.

I do not appreciate the censorship. You should not be deciding on what readers should or should not be allowed to read. This is condescending and the action of someone who treats others like 5 year olds. You will discourage people from learning about Islam and connecting through this site. You have lost me as an interested reader. You have probably lost many others as a result of your actions.

Please consider what you are doing and try to adopt a more reasonable approach. You should be permitting the posting of all messages unless they are hateful to Islam.

[dhakiyya]

We very rarely delete genuine Islamic replies to problems. Are you sure that the posts were actually rejected, or that they have not been approved yet because a moderator has not been in yet to approve them? We are volunteers who do this in our own time, as such it may take 24 hours or longer for posts to be approved.

[dhakiyya]

I have found two posts that you made in the posts that were waiting approval. They had not been rejected, like I said it can take a while for posts to be approved because we are volunteers that do this in our spare time, and we have to approve each post individually. Both your posts have been approved, there was nothing wrong with them and they would have been approved as soon as a moderator arrived to approve them.

Posts that have actually been deleted will have a deleted post message, those waiting to be approved will not be visible until a moderator has approved them.

[THE PATH 2]

our prophet s.a.w advised the control of 2 things

that between the legs and that between the lips

i suppose in this day.ITCHY KEYBOARD FINGERS replace the tongue

and as has been said ..words can be used against you ..SERIOUSLY

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129245

[mom2joseph2004]

Thank-you for your response. My apologies on my assumption that my posts were deleted. But I don't think it's a good idea to have every post reviewed and approved. Partly because people going on this website will generally have good intentions and their input should not be reviewed and assessed. They have a right to say something and to be heard, even if others think it's silly or inaccurate. Harmful and hateful comments will be rare and they can be removed after they've been posted. I'm sure if anyone posts anything hateful, s/he will be quickly dealt with by other people's responses on the message boards. If it gets out of hand, delete the thread - that's what other message boards do. The other reason is to allow for timely responses to be posted, which is definitely important for some of the threads.

Thanks,

A.

[dhakiyya]

Thank you for your reply.

It would not be feasable to allow unmoderated posting here. For a start we can't guarantee that hateful things posted will be dealt with immediately. We do try to get moderator coverage at all times - e.g. by having moderators in different time zones - but even with that there is a huge forum to moderate. Given that this forum is for people posting about problems - including many as you can see with severe problems and some with mental health issues e.g. depression, feeling suicidal, we can't take the risk of them reading something posted by an idiot troll out to insult Muslims and make fun of people with problems, because of what it might do to the person trying to get help.

Also, in order to make the forum anonymous, anyone can post here without being a member. This means there are no sanctions for trolls or any non member who makes inappropriate posts here, like there is in the rest of the forum. Anyone could repeatedly post highly offensive garbage if they wanted and we would not be able to do anything about it, the only thing stopping this happening is that such garbage will never appear, so anyone trying to troll here will not get the satisfaction of seeing their trolling in print, or seeing any reaction to it.

The rest of the forum is not moderated in this way, trolls are usually dealt with quickly but there have been occasions when disgusting posts remained for some hours before there was a moderator online to remove them. The system of approving each post individually is only operational in the anonymous forum for the reasons I outlined above.

Also on Ummah we encourage the expressing of different ideas and debate, there is huge diversity here, both among Muslims and non Muslims. Here in anonymous/counselling we are stricter about what we moderate, because of the nature of the forum as I've explained.

[.: Rashid :.]

Assalamu alaikum,

Naturally when posting in this forum posters will want to remain anonymous. This can be achieved by signing out from your normal Ummah account, then coming to this section and posting using the guest account. You don't need to sign up with a new account, or sign in at all. Just post while not signed in (this is only possible in this section)

Please avoid creating a new account purely to post here, because you will not remain anonymous to the moderators and admins. You have a better chance of remaining anonymous by using the guest account :)

NOTE: Once you've made a post, please remember to reply using the guest account as well. If you sign back into your account, and post a reply, your identity will (obviously) be given away. In the event of this happening, DO NOT report the post or use the helpdesk, but rather PM a mod who you are (most) comfortable talking to and ask them to delete the post insha'Allah. To ensure action is taken quickly, use the Who's Online (http://ummah.com/forum/online.php) feature and PM a mod who is online. They may be able to remove your post immediately.