Why Islam continues to be Successful in the Developed World!

[Mujaahida]

:salams

Why Islam continues to be Successful in the Developed WorldIslam continues to be successful in the developed world, and elsewhere, because its call is in accordance with the natural inclinations of mankind, and it advocates the best of human values, such as tolerance, love, mercy, truthfulness and sincerity.


Islam educates people and lifts them up to righteous conduct, good manners and virtue. Its call is distinguished from others by its realism, balance and moderation. Islam pays due attention to both the soul and the body. It neither suppresses physical desires nor allows extravagance in this regard; it makes a distinction between the natural inclination to enjoy the pleasures of this world and forbidden desires that come under the heading of depravity and perversion.
People embrace Islam because they find security, comfort and peace in it, they see a cure for their problems in it, and through it they are able to get rid of their feelings of confusion, anxiety and loss.
Islam is the religion of the fitrah, the natural inclination or pattern on which Allaah has created mankind. For this reason, people of sound minds and upright inclinations embrace Islam, as Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘There is no child who is not born in a state of fitrah (i.e., Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew, a Christian or a Magian (Zoroastrian), just as animals produce whole animals (i.e., the animals are born perfect with no part of their bodies missing). Do you find any born with their ears cut off?’” Then Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “ ‘… Allaah’s handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allaah: that is the Standard Religion…’ [al-Room 30:30 – interpretation of the meaning – Yusuf Ali’s translation].” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 1359). What is meant is that Allaah has created mankind with the potential to learn the truth, accept Tawheed (pure monotheism) and submit to Allaah. Their natural inclination is to learn Islam and love it, but a bad education, a kaafir (disbelieving) environment, their own whims and desires and the devils among jinn and mankind turn them away from the truth.
Mankind is basically inclined towards Tawheed (pure monotheism), as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) reported that his Lord (Allaah) said: “I created all my slaves as ‘hunafa’ (pure monetheists), but the devils turned them away from their religion.” (Reported by Muslim). For this reason the one who becomes a Muslim after having been a disbeliever is described as having “reverted” to Islam, as this is more correct than saying that he “converted.” When Islam enters a country where there is no nationalism or great legacy of jaahiliyah (ignorance), it spreads quickly because of its strength and the small number of obstacles. You may also see that Islam is suitable for all people, educated and uneducated, male and female, old and young; everyone finds in it what he wants and needs. Those who become Muslim in developed countries realize what their country’s civilization and laws, which have been fabricated from men’s whims and desires, have done to them, and they realize the extent of the misery in which people in developed countries are living. They see how prevalent psychological illnesses, nervous breakdowns, insanity and suicides are, despite the technological advances and great number of discoveries and inventions and modern systems of management. This is because all of that is concerned only with the physical and the outward, but it neglects the inward and fails to nourish and nurture the heart and soul. Allaah says of these people (interpretation of the meaning): “They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world, and they are heedless of the Hereafter.” [al-Room 30:7]
Islam will continue to succeed, with the permission of Allaah, so long as those who work for its sake are sincere and its followers adhere to it and believe in it, and apply its laws.
The fact that there are those who are not committed or who fall short will not prevent Islam from succeeding, with the permission of Allaah, and nothing can distort its beauty. Its light will not falter because some people abandon it or fail to adhere to it. What Islam has given humanity in the way of progress and civilization, and lifting them up from the darkness of oppression and enmity, is pride enough.
Source (http://www.themodernreligion.com/world/islam-success.html)
:mujahida:

[AbuMubarak]

Good Article Sis

[AbuMubarak]

pretty good article, clayton

but at no time does a muslim demand others change their faith

its that islam must rule the world, you can keep your faith, as long as it isnt paganism

you can quote me

i know you will

[Ste]

I'm surpised by Islam's failure to succeed in the developed world, despite unfettered opportunity to expand the faith in the UK, for example, it's growth doesn't even keep up with birth rates. This article doesn't contain any facts and figures so what's the deal? Surely there should be some realistic and critical appraisal of islam's decline in developed countries instead of fluff like this piece.

[Qiyas]

I'm surpised by Islam's failure to succeed in the developed world, despite unfettered opportunity to expand the faith in the UK, for example, it's growth doesn't even keep up with birth rates. This article doesn't contain any facts and figures so what's the deal? Surely there should be some realistic and critical appraisal of islam's decline in developed countries instead of fluff like this piece.

Depends what you mean by success. Islaam is still the fastest growing religion in the world, and I think many people would call that pretty successful, considering 9/11. On top of that, more and more Muslims through out the world are going back to their Islaamic Roots, and learning about their religion. More and more Muslims are becoming Fully Practicising Muslims, I would call that another success.
What you arre calling a failure is in fact a choice being made by Muslims and People reverting, to let go of the materialistic desires of this world, and concentrate on what is truly important. money means nothing to us, in terms of wealth, and neither do material goods.
I think you could hold a poll on here, to ask Muslims if they're spending less money on non-Islaamic goods, and more on Islaamic goods (suc as talks/lectures books nasheeds etc) and you would see a sharp increase in the purchase of Islaamic Goods (compared to 2006 or 2005). Also, as Muslims gain knowledge of Islaam, there is less luxury spending overall. Also, more Muslims are donating to Islaamic Charities. Also, more Muslims are aware of the troubles facing their fellow Muslims abroad (Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Palestine)

So Muslims in the West have become more successful in the following ways:

Knowledge: More Muslims are acquiring knowledge about Islaam and indirectly gaining knowledge in the fields of Geography and History and Medicine (due to more people discussing revelations in the Holy Qur'aan about gestation amongst other things). More knowledge of other religions and societies.

Economically: Muslims are spending less on luxurious items, and more on their fellow Muslims and more on investments such as Islaamic Talks and books. They are also saving more overall, as they are more conscious of wasting money.

Healthier Lifestyles: As Muslims are gaining knowledge about their religions, more and more quit smoking and drinking and eat healthier and fast. As they start praying, more Muslims are walking to mosques to pray as opposed to not praying at all.

Spiritually: More Muslims feel spiritually satisfied after fully embracing Islaam, and so do reverts (like Aakhi Yusuf Chambers explained in a talk). They now have a purpose and goal in life, and many work actively in their communties to help their fellow Muslims...

What do you define as successful ?

[ebolebo]

There are several factors at play here:

- the failure of socialist and nationalist movements, especially (but not only) in Arab countries

- in *Western* countries, the search for identity by immigrant communities. Islam is the most obvious unifying factor

- lastly, after 9/11, Islam simply is *in the news* . And, as we all know, there is no such thing as *bad publicity*

However, trends come and go, political and religious movements come in waves ... each generation tries its own thing.

So, we ll just have to wait and see how Islam fares in the next years.

Ebo

[Ste]

Depends what you mean by success. Islaam is still the fastest growing religion in the world, and I think many people would call that pretty successful, considering 9/11.

All religions do well in the developing world, high infant mortality rates keep the figures up which bolster claims such as yours. Christianity makes similar claims of being rthe fastest growing religion "world-wide" but we're not talking about the developing world here we're talking about the developed world. In the developed world islam loses out, it's growth rate is less than birth rates and therefore we can assume that more people are abandoning the Islamic way of life once in the west than there are non-muslim westerners embracing it. This is what I mean by "success".


On top of that, more and more Muslims through out the world are going back to their Islaamic Roots, and learning about their religion. More and more Muslims are becoming Fully Practicising Muslims, I would call that another success.

Where are the figures? If more muslims are bveceoming ful;ly practicing than why are the figures suggesting that there are less and less muslims. Also why do I see more and more ex-muslims than converts?


What you arre calling a failure is in fact a choice being made by Muslims and People reverting, to let go of the materialistic desires of this world, and concentrate on what is truly important. money means nothing to us, in terms of wealth, and neither do material goods.
I think you could hold a poll on here, to ask Muslims if they're spending less money on non-Islaamic goods, and more on Islaamic goods (suc as talks/lectures books nasheeds etc) and you would see a sharp increase in the purchase of Islaamic Goods (compared to 2006 or 2005). Also, as Muslims gain knowledge of Islaam, there is less luxury spending overall. Also, more Muslims are donating to Islaamic Charities. Also, more Muslims are aware of the troubles facing their fellow Muslims abroad (Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Palestine)

I'd need to see some figures, my first hand aquired evidence does not suggest that people are buying more Islamic materials, I know two Islamiic shop owners,both are considering closing down their enterprises due to lack of intertest. Their isn't the grass roots supports, young "muslim" men are much more interested in getting themselves a black Type R and listening to rap music than buying dodgy "Is that bible really god's word?" DVDs


So Muslims in the West have become more successful in the following ways:

Knowledge: More Muslims are acquiring knowledge about Islaam and indirectly gaining knowledge in the fields of Geography and History and Medicine (due to more people discussing revelations in the Holy Qur'aan about gestation amongst other things). More knowledge of other religions and societies.

I'd beg to differ about the dodgy HArun Yahya pseudo-science DVD's, IMO young mulsims are gaining knowledge at our excellent, secular learning institutions to which they are rightly allowed unfettered access.

Economically: Muslims are spending less on luxurious items, and more on their fellow Muslims and more on investments such as Islaamic Talks and books. They are also saving more overall, as they are more conscious of wasting money.

Againd ther's no evidence to support this assertion, it's wishful thinking I'm afraid

Healthier Lifestyles: As Muslims are gaining knowledge about their religions, more and more quit smoking and drinking and eat healthier and fast. As they start praying, more Muslims are walking to mosques to pray as opposed to not praying at all.

Again no evidence to support this claim, Muslims in the UK are amongst the least healthy demographic, despite the lack of alchohol abuse smoking and diet and exercise is poor in this area I'm afraid, also muslims are much more likely to live in poverty than non-muslims.

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My point is this; Islam grows below birth rates in the west, it is also less and less obvious in the way people lead their life therefore any assertion that it is growing or successful in the west is inaccurate. There's a reason for this, I know what it is, do you?

[Qiyas]

All religions do well in the developing world, high infant mortality rates keep the figures up which bolster claims such as yours. Christianity makes similar claims of being rthe fastest growing religion "world-wide" but we're not talking about the developing world here we're talking about the developed world. In the developed world islam loses out, it's growth rate is less than birth rates and therefore we can assume that more people are abandoning the Islamic way of life once in the west than there are non-muslim westerners embracing it. This is what I mean by "success".

Oh, it's not just us @claiming it, but also CNN and others like: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8c5_1188388410



Where are the figures? If more muslims are bveceoming ful;ly practicing than why are the figures suggesting that there are less and less muslims. Also why do I see more and more ex-muslims than converts?
more ex-muslims ? Out of interest, how many ?



I'd need to see some figures, my first hand aquired evidence does not suggest that people are buying more Islamic materials, I know two Islamiic shop owners,both are considering closing down their enterprises due to lack of intertest. Their isn't the grass roots supports, young "muslim" men are much more interested in getting themselves a black Type R and listening to rap music than buying dodgy "Is that bible really god's word?" DVDs




I'd beg to differ about the dodgy HArun Yahya pseudo-science DVD's, IMO young mulsims are gaining knowledge at our excellent, secular learning institutions to which they are rightly allowed unfettered access.
Who's talking about Harun Yahya ? There's Dr Zakir Naik and also the Holy Qur'aan



Againd ther's no evidence to support this assertion, it's wishful thinking I'm afraid



Again no evidence to support this claim, Muslims in the UK are amongst the least healthy demographic, despite the lack of alchohol abuse smoking and diet and exercise is poor in this area I'm afraid, also muslims are much more likely to live in poverty than non-muslims.

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My point is this; Islam grows below birth rates in the west, it is also less and less obvious in the way people lead their life therefore any assertion that it is growing or successful in the west is inaccurate. There's a reason for this, I know what it is, do you?

I think you'll definately see the error of your last point by 2010.

And as to all the others that I haven't commented on, I think that a poll on here would give us a good view...

[Ste]

more ex-muslims ? Out of interest, how many ?


I personally know 2 western converts to Islam, both women, both as crazy as spiders. I'm also aware of one (yes 1) western male convert at a friends mosque.

I personally know 3 Saudi ex-muslims, numerous palestinians who I met as part of a project in london, and more or less a whole side of an Algerian family, must be upward of a dozen, converted to christianity. All in all upward of 20 ex-muslims in my limited sphere.

Also I regularly see with my own eyes more ex-muslims than converts and way more muslims living western style lives than vice versa. Basically the evidence is there for all to see. Islam struggles to maintain it's hold in the west, it's not a matter of whether it does it's a matter of why it does?

[Qiyas]

I personally know 2 western converts to Islam, both women, both as crazy as spiders. I'm also aware of one (yes 1) western male convert at a friends mosque.

I personally know 3 Saudi ex-muslims, numerous palestinians who I met as part of a project in london, and more or less a whole side of an Algerian family, must be upward of a dozen, converted to christianity. All in all upward of 20 ex-muslims in my limited sphere.

Also I regularly see with my own eyes more ex-muslims than converts and way more muslims living western style lives than vice versa. Basically the evidence is there for all to see. Islam struggles to maintain it's hold in the west, it's not a matter of whether it does it's a matter of why it does?

Ste, I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that there may be Muslims leaving Islaam, but that's not indicitive of there being a problem with Islaam, or of Islaam failing. Through out history, people have chosen to change their alleigences. From things like Pepsi to Coke or Reebok to Nike, but it doesn't mean that:

1. There is anything wrong with Pepsi or Reebok
2. That Pepsi or reebok is failing

But, what is interesting is the following:
Did you know that people took their kids off Coke gave them Ribena instead, because it was healthier, and then it was proven that Ribena contains more sugar than Coke, and isn't healthier per se. Now, was that a failing of Coke, or people not researching what they were drinking ?
In the same way, people may leave Islaam because of what they have heard or the way in which they have interpreted what they have read. But how many of them really researched Islaam and understood what they were leaving ?

[Ste]

Ste, I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that there may be Muslims leaving Islaam, but that's not indicitive of there being a problem with Islaam, or of Islaam failing. Through out history, people have chosen to change their alleigences. From things like Pepsi to Coke or Reebok to Nike, but it doesn't mean that:

1. There is anything wrong with Pepsi or Reebok
2. That Pepsi or reebok is failing

But, what is interesting is the following:
Did you know that people took their kids off Coke gave them Ribena instead, because it was healthier, and then it was proven that Ribena contains more sugar than Coke, and isn't healthier per se. Now, was that a failing of Coke, or people not researching what they were drinking ?
In the same way, people may leave Islaam because of what they have heard or the way in which they have interpreted what they have read. But how many of them really researched Islaam and understood what they were leaving ?

Nothing wrong with Islam at all. What is wrong is to write an unsubstantiated article claiming that Islam is enjoying a purple patch in the west when the exact opposite is true. It smacks of propoganda. The christian church feels no shame in confronting issues regarding attendances dropping off, it doesn't feel the need to tell little lies about itself. I don't know why Islam always has to be caught telling these silly little lies, it's one of the main reasons why it isn't taken seriously IMO because muslims actually believe this guff and then repeat it as truth when amongst informed company.

[Qiyas]

I don't know why Islam always has to be caught telling these silly little lies, it's one of the main reasons why it isn't taken seriously IMO because muslims actually believe this guff and then repeat it as truth when amongst informed company.

It's what you believe. I don't believe that Islaam is failing in the West. Something can only fail, if people understand it fully. How can something fail, if people don't even try to understand it's message, it's objective or it's meaning, or the context in which things are explained ?

[Ste]

It's what you believe. I don't believe that Islaam is failing in the West. Something can only fail, if people understand it fully. How can something fail, if people don't even try to understand it's message, it's objective or it's meaning, or the context in which things are explained ?


The religion can fail to get it's message across, or the religion's message can fail to attract new followers. Two of the possibile ways in any religion can fail.

IMO islam has failed on the second count. It's message is unattractive in the west.

[abdulhakeem]

Why does Islam continue to be successful in the developed world? (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14142)

Why Islam continues to be Successful in the Developed World (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103059)

Why does Islam continue to be successful in the developed World? (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150896)

[Qiyas]

IMO islam has failed on the second count. It's message is unattractive in the west.

So, to you for example, the message is unattractive, why ?

[Qiyas]

The religion can fail to get it's message across, or the religion's message can fail to attract new followers. Two of the possibile ways in any religion can fail.


Or, the West has failed by not trying to understand the message...

[Ste]

So, to you for example, the message is unattractive, why ?

Looks old fashioned and too strict, clothes are naff, the women haven't got any personality and are too subservient the music's boring and the churches look grotty, the people don't speak very good english and theres no girls at the churches.

[Ste]

So, to you for example, the message is unattractive, why ?


Antisemetic, antichristian, homophobic, misogynist, seperatist and backward.

[Qiyas]

Antisemetic, antichristian, homophobic, misogynist, seperatist and backward.

So, basically, you don't understand the religion...

[Qiyas]

Looks old fashioned and too strict, clothes are naff, the women haven't got any personality and are too subservient the music's boring and the churches look grotty, the people don't speak very good english and theres no girls at the churches.

Which is more important then getting to Heaven I suppose. Like I said, Islaam is very unmaterialistic...

[Ste]

So, basically, you don't understand the religion...


I understand it very well and am one of the few non-muslims that makes the effort to see Islams accusations against jews and christians from an islamic POV. To those less inclined towards trying to look through such a lense it is merely antismemetic and antichristian religion that's heirachial view of the world places muslim males at the pinnacle and deems everyone else as inferior.

From a westerners POV the clothes are naff and the musics boring and the mosques are grotty, intimidating places. Most young western lads couldn't imagine anything worse than being a muslim. Hence the slow take-up we were talking about earlier.

[Qiyas]

I understand it very well and am one of the few non-muslims that makes the effort to see Islams accusations against jews and christians from an islamic POV.
I'm not sure I understad what you mean about accusations. What accusations have we made for example about the Christians ?

[Ste]

Which is more important then getting to Heaven I suppose. Like I said, Islaam is very unmaterialistic...


Most people don't really believe in heaven, which is why Islam has no power in the west. We're not scared into a pretence by tales used to scare children into good behaviour.

[Ste]

[QUOTE=Ste;2348460]I understand it very well and am one of the few non-muslims that makes the effort to see Islams accusations against jews and christians from an islamic POV.
I'm not sure I understad what you mean about accusations. What accusations have we made for example about Christians ?

That they perverted God's word, and that they seek to hide the truth. God gets all worked up and angry about them in the Quran after they fail to accept Mohammed as a prophet. You have read the Quran?

[Qiyas]

Most people don't really believe in heaven, which is why Islam has no power in the west. We're not scared into a pretence by tales used to scare children into good behaviour.

So, Christians here in the UK don't believe in Heaven ?

[Qiyas]

That they perverted God's word, and that they seek to hide the truth. God gets all worked up and angry about them in the Quran after they fail to accept Mohammed as a prophet. You have read the Quran?

I think if you research Christianity properly, you'll find a lot doesn't add up, and it's not just the Muslims saying it. In fact accusations against Christianity have been around since Christianty it self.
If you wrote an article, and then I plagerised it, and changed then twisted most of the fats, wouldn't you be annoyed ?

[Ste]

So, Christians here in the UK don't believe in Heaven ?

They're supposed to, but most demostrably don't, and since we stopped threatening our children in schools with divinely illogical and disproportionate eternal punishments so coincidentally their young impressionable minds matured to not believe such nonsense and so threatening them with it holds no power over them. You might as well threaten them with the fairy dust.

[Ste]

I think if you research Christianity properly, you'll find a lot doesn't add up, and it's not just the Muslims saying it. In fact accusations against Christianity have been around since Christianty it self.
If you wrote an article, and then I plagerised it, and changed then twisted most of the fats, wouldn't you be annoyed ?


Christianity is illogical and so is Islam, it suggests that god, having twice failed to protect his revelation because it was delivered to people who didn't have the ability to write it down and protect it, delivered it for a third time to about the only people left on the planet who still didn't have the ability to write it down and protect it. How do you consider that a logical thing to believe of a god is beyond me.

[Qiyas]

They're supposed to, but most demostrably don't, and since we stopped threatening our children in schools with divinely illogical and disproportionate eternal punishments so coincidentally their young impressionable minds matured to not believe such nonsense and so threatening them with it holds no power over them. You might as well threaten them with the fairy dust.

So, how can you be a christian, if you don't believe in the teachings of the bible ?

[Qiyas]

Christianity is illogical and so is Islam, it suggests that god, having twice failed to protect his revelation .

I don't think God ever said (until the Holy Qur'aan) that he would protect his revelation.

How do you consider that a logical thing to believe of a god is beyond me.

How people can believe that everything in the universe is by Random, is logical, beyond me...

[Ste]

So, how can you be a christian, if you don't believe in the teachings of the bible ?

When someone asks you, for the purposes of a job interview or something, what your religion is you say C of E becasue even though you haven't been to church for 50 years, except to get married, you were christened 50 years ago in a church of england. One is by default a christian, unless one makes the mental leap to become an atheist or follow another religion.

[Ste]

I don't think God ever said (until the Holy Qur'aan) that he would protect his revelation.


It was being written down on bones and pieces of scrap animal skin out in the desert whilst their were plenty of civilisations available that could have wrote it down immediatley and protected it. It's only Islamic dogma that seeks to explain this illogical aspect by unsubstantiated feelings of Arabic linguistic superiority. The truth is that the most logical thing to do would be to reveal to a literate society.

How people can believe that everything in the universe is by Random, is logical, beyond me...[/B]

Same here, they're completely cuckoo. By all the evidence there's nothing random about it.

[Qiyas]

It was being written down on bones and pieces of scrap animal skin out in the desert whilst their were plenty of civilisations available that could have wrote it down immediatley and protected it. It's only Islamic dogma that seeks to explain this illogical aspect by unsubstantiated feelings of Arabic linguistic superiority. The truth is that the most logical thing to do would be to reveal to a literate society.
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You forget that it was also being memorized by heart. And as to the there being other civilisations who could write it, it wouldn't have made much sense to give it to those civilisations that God had said, had altered the original message, purely from a logical P.O.V

[Qiyas]

One is by default a christian, unless one makes the mental leap to become an atheist or follow another religion.

But one is, for all intents and purposes, an Atheist in that case, if he doesn't believe in God's message ?
Also, does that mean that you don't have to be a Dot Cotton to be a Christian - i.e.: it's enough to just proclaim yourself a Christian ?

[Ste]

You forget that it was also being memorized by heart. And as to the there being other civilisations who could write it, it wouldn't have made much sense to give it to those civilisations that God had said, had altered the original message, purely from a logical P.O.V

Why not? As a disbeliever with religious friends I often end up on the receiving end of their dawah. I say this to them and I say it to you:-

Can you describe something that would convince you that Islam is not true?

[Qiyas]

Why not? As a disbeliever with religious friends I often end up on the receiving end of their dawah. I say this to them and I say it to you:-

Can you describe something that would convince you that Islam is not true?

No

[Ste]

No

Then your mind is closed.

I can think of half a dozen things, off the top of my head, that could have convinced me that Islam is true.

[Qiyas]

Then your mind is closed.

I can think of half a dozen things, off the top of my head, that could have convinced me that Islam is true.

Or, maybe I've thought about them in the past and have rejected them, in which cas, my mind is not closed is it !!!

[Ste]

Or, maybe I've thought about them in the past and have rejected them, in which cas, my mind is not closed is it !!!

If I said that there was nothing that could convince me that Islam is true what would your thoughts have been?

[Qiyas]

If I said that there was nothing that could convince me that Islam is true what would your thoughts have been?

That maybe, you weren't meant to be guided...

[Ste]

That maybe, you weren't meant to be guided...

Exactly, but I can list half a dozen things that would convince me of the truth of Islam, I'm veritably crying out to be guided, by your standards. Yet I remain unconvinced.

[xris]

did i not see an aricle about china now having more christians than communists.its not a battle of souls surely.

[Qiyas]

Exactly, but I can list half a dozen things that would convince me of the truth of Islam, I'm veritably crying out to be guided, by your standards. Yet I remain unconvinced.

Allah SWT guides whom he wills and misguides whom he wills...

(and please no of the afformentioned verse, as it has been explained countless times elsewhere on the forum)

[ebolebo]

So, to you for example, the message is unattractive, why ?- Shariah law and punishments.

- sexual segregation, no free-mixing etc

- women legally discriminated against for divorce, custody. Male predominance

- active proselytism. Distorted perception of history (e.g. exaggeration of Islamic achievements)

But, basically, i see absolutely no reason to believe there is any truth in its worldview and its *revelation*.

And, that s quite enough IMHO.

Ebo

[AbuMubarak]

thank you, ebola