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Hi
I'd like to ask for the reason why my thread regarding my upcoming interview with Mace was closed, thanks
mgilani
28-12-07, 03:37 AM
I dunno.............. but out of curiosity............. whatever you wanna prove by that interview, should nt you be doing that on some christian forum? after all this is a muslim forum . I am just curious as to your motive. what are you looking to show or prove? I think is is a very valid question and has nothing to do with phreedom of expression. Every place has it etiquettes . A muslim forum is a muslim forum after all. I could relate to you stories about " certain" forums where you cant say anything that they dont subscribe to.
TIA!
I dunno.............. but out of curiosity............. whatever you wanna prove by that interview, should nt you be doing that on some christian forum? after all this is a muslim forum . I am just curious as to your motive. what are you looking to show or prove? I think is is a very valid question and has nothing to do with phreedom of expression. Every place has it etiquettes . A muslim forum is a muslim forum after all. I could relate to you stories about " certain" forums where you cant say anything that they dont subscribe to.
TIA!
Sure,
I created the idea of interviewing members on Ummah almost a year ago and if you check the Member Announcement section you'll see a dozen interviews already submitted from this little project. I thought I'd ask Mace as he is one of the remaining active members on the forum; he agreed. I don't understand why some members are taking offence to this. These interviews are general, personal and always open. Naturally questions about his conversion away from Islam will be a predominant subject and as the notion of this is quite alien to the majority of us Muslims, I considered this an opportunity as to learn and share with you all why some Muslims may feel that Islam is not for them anymore.
This is a genuine interest of mine, and many here aswell and hopefully Mace will recollect his thoughts, and the reasons and consequences behind his decision. He has no intention of insulting Islam or Muslims here - and I wouldn't post content here that would be deemed as such, naturally, but I don't understand why some individuals as to yourself would interpret a simple interview with him as a result of a "motive" by me. The only motive I have is to interview people, and Mace is one of those people. His interview will be interesting, and if no one wants to read it, so be it. But I can't comprehend as to the sudden un-ease when I've assured everyone that there will be offensive remarks anyway.
This isn't a sudden thing where I've decided to "oh, lets interview this guy whose left Islam - I wanna cause controversy and Fitnah!". People need to stop being so paranoid and aggressive.
Hisham Abu
28-12-07, 04:10 AM
I would genuinely be interested in reading his interview. However uneasy it might make me feel. This is the stark reality of life. Life is very rarely how we want it to be.
mgilani
28-12-07, 04:26 AM
Ok Kal.............if that what the idea is. Its not that i had a problem with anything ............. well you know what i mean?
As for Mace, its his choice as God did give him free choice to accept or reject.
I would genuinely be interested in reading his interview. However uneasy it might make me feel. This is the stark reality of life. Life is very rarely how we want it to be.
this maybe true but i dont think we need to put it in front of the whole world him talking in a negative form of why he left islam (this is the guy who left islam right?) it would be a great cause of fitnah for those who are weak in their deen or who are learning about their deen on here.
If there are people like you or Kal el who wish to ask him questions, i say stick him on your msn or exchange numbers, no need to create fitnah here.
Yes people turning away from islam is a reality but we dont need to give them "limelight" in such a public place becos:
1) we know is islam is perfect
2) the amount of potential fitnah this could cause is greater than what "interesting" things he might have to say.
next it will be "lets interview a homosexual and ask him why he prefers men" :rolleyes:
If people are insecure with their deen, then they need not be reading the Interview. I'm interviewing him now, and it's interesting especially how the consequences of his decisions have impacted his life. He doesn't go into detail why he left Islam because he chooses not to offend people here. It's a shame Mace is the one who is behaving so considerately and intelligently, and we have Muslims here banging bars with cups at the simple thought of seeing such an interview. What a shame.
MWarrior
28-12-07, 04:02 PM
Kal you can keep that interview to yourself, majority of the people on ummah.com dont want to see an interview with an apostate...or so he claims to be.
i think MG has explained it pretty well so yeh please dont bother putting it up on here.
and anyways if he had been living at the time of the prophet SAW he wouldnt be around to give interviews. lol
I'm going to post the Interview. If people do not want to read it, I'm not forcing them. It'll be in the Member Announcement section. It's not what people are expecting it to be, so please don't pre judge me, the Interview, or what he has to say, before you've even had a look at it.
sunrise
28-12-07, 04:05 PM
whn will u post it ia?
If people are insecure with their deen, then they need not be reading the Interview. I'm interviewing him now, and it's interesting especially how the consequences of his decisions have impacted his life. He doesn't go into detail why he left Islam because he chooses not to offend people here. It's a shame Mace is the one who is behaving so considerately and intelligently, and we have Muslims here banging bars with cups at the simple thought of seeing such an interview. What a shame.
no one is "banging bars and cups" stop being a drama queen.
As for your above statement, the fact that u have more sympathy for someone who left their deen than for those who might be weak in their deen but yet STILL are there and travelling on the correct path and going through their struggles says it all .
I'm going to post the Interview. If people do not want to read it, I'm not forcing them. It'll be in the Member Announcement section. It's not what people are expecting it to be, so please don't pre judge me, the Interview, or what he has to say, before you've even had a look at it.
I know this is off topic but what does yout Sig mean "Ill moider da Bum" ?!!! :scratch:
:jkk:
If people are insecure with their deen, then they need not be reading the Interview. I'm interviewing him now, and it's interesting especially how the consequences of his decisions have impacted his life. He doesn't go into detail why he left Islam because he chooses not to offend people here. It's a shame Mace is the one who is behaving so considerately and intelligently, and we have Muslims here banging bars with cups at the simple thought of seeing such an interview. What a shame.
Salam bro,
I don't think this statement is appropriate, although I don't mind readin the Interview, in my opinion it is a waste of time, your previous Interviews were good though ... (no offence meant to you) Not reading an Interview does not mean/Prove that one is weak in Faith ...
from what I have seen Murtads post in this forum (if at all they are Murtads and not conniving Missionaries in Disguise) they're reasons for "Leaving" Islam is laughable to say the Least, furthermore Leaving Islam to become an Atheist is one thing, but Leaving Islam to become a Christian is :wacko: since Christianity can and has been disproved by even a Layman ...
:jkk:
I am being accused of a drama queen, by people who are complaining of an interview that hasn't even been posted yet, because they are assuming the worst of the worst; that's poetic irony right there.
This isn't about defending Mace. I do not support, or personally understand why he converted away from Islam. This isn't about him specifically at all, this isn't even about me. This is about the simple notion of having someone who has left Islam - talk about his life and his decisions - on Ummah. I've interviewed several people, even non-Muslims on their impression of Islam. I'm interviewing him, primarily for the same reason.
I can appreciate the worries as there are certain connotations of interviewing someone who has left Islam, as they mostly speak bad about the deen and spread fitnah among the Ummah, so I can understand the negative reactions to this. But I've assured everyone that no such references to Islam would be posted. I don't even need to edit them out. Why? Because Mace hasn't said anything derogative towards Islam - he told me he chooses not to go into detail as to the reasons why he left Islam for the fear that it'll offend people here. So based on that, why can't others here trust me, and that word, that there will be no such Fitnah as a result of this interview?
Give the interview a chance, judge it after you read it. And I'm passionate about this because I'm being frustrated as to why you cannot give me the benefit of the doubt. I am defending that, more than I am defending anything. You're all assuming the worst when I've guaranteed against that yet I'm being accused of certain things which I do not appreciate or take a liking to.
sunrise
28-12-07, 04:14 PM
back to my question, when will u be posting it ia?
And I still want to know which Moderator closed that thread and they're reasons for doing so.
back to my question, when will u be posting it ia?
When it's completed.
I'm looking forward to it for one.
It should be fascinating.
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.
There'd be no reason to turn away from Islam due to this interview - do you not see what I am trying to convey here? He doesn't say in the interview "this specifically, and this and that" led me away from Islam because "its not right for it to be that way, who could say it is?" etc.
I don't know what interviews with Apostates you've come across, but before we started this, we had a talk about what would be said, and how it would be said for this specific reason of avoiding Fitnah. We have some Muslims here who are part of a non-Muslim family, it's an interesting combination because we're curious as to how they interact and what relationships they may have with one another, especially in our social climate.
His interview really talks about how his decision to leave Islam affected his family and his children, and the results are quite surprising. Personally, I've always been curious about Apostates and how they manage life and cope with things, and from the PM's i've been getting, alot of people here want to see this interview because of the same curiosity. If you and anyone thinks that hearing how that decision affected his life and family, fitnah, or haram, or whatnot, then that's you but don't bring your opinions of how Allah (swt) will take issue with me because of this as you are judging what this interview is before you've even seen it.
You've refused to consider for the slightest moment that maybe this interview is not damaging to the forum, to Islam, to the members, to you, and maybe the interview is actually quite interesting - maybe its not actually bad, and although I can accept your reasons as to why you may assume that, I cannot understand or accept your seemingly mysterious reasons as to why you cannot comprehend that you may, just may, be utterly wrong. Honestly what respect I had for you is completely blown out the window by now - you've shocked me with this attitude of yours.
First half of the interview is done, other half will be completed by Tuesday hopefully and I'll post it then for anyone who wants to read it. I'll even send a copy of this to a Moderator or an Admin, so he can read it, then approve it. Are you happy with that?
Arsalan
28-12-07, 04:44 PM
Kal-el, could you give a simple opinion from your understanding that would the Sahabah eagerly interview and casually discuss in lurid detail the life of an apostate of Islam and then broadcast it to the rest of society.?? Because that is essentially what is going on. I have never heard of such a thing, it is utterly ridiculous for it to be supported and propagated on an Islamic forum.
There is probably some sort of acaedemic benefit for someone researching society and interactions between people and groups of people ( sociology), but there is little benefit for the Ummah in this. It is a personal pursuit, then fine go for it, hope it brings you benefit.
For this reason it is entirely understandable why such a thread should be at least removed , if not deleted.
Kal-el, could you give a simple opinion from your understanding that would the Sahabah eagerly interview and casually discuss in lurid detail the life of an apostate of Islam and then broadcast it to the rest of society. There is probably some sort of acaedemic benefit for someone researching society and interactions, but there is little benefit for the ummah.
There is none of that, why are people assuming I'm his biographer? I've asked him specific questions, some requested by members here, about mainly the consequences of his decisions and if he's ever considered Islam after that. And little benefit? What interview here has ever been measured by its "benefit", in fact, how many threads are weighed on this suddenly emerged scale of benefit..not many.
If no one wants to read it, even if the thread got no views, I honestly could not care as this has turned out to be some sort of proving ground for me. I will finish the interview, get approval for it, it'll be approved because there's no reason for it not to be approved, and I'll post it on the forum, and then I'll plan my next interview until I get tired of them.
It's interesting how people turn their assumptions, guesses of what the interview could be like, into facts - and tell me what it is. I've told you all its nothing like this "advertising" of fitnah people are assuming it to be, yet no one wants to accept that, everyone wants to get on the Wagon of condemning me and the interview. How shallow.
no idea who closed it or why
personally i have no problem with it - infact it be interesting to see his reasoning as to why he left islam and hey who knows if the reasons can be countered against u never know inshallah
Here's a few excerpts
Kal-El: The lawyers became involved due to the children?
Mace: Financial matters. We were being disowned.Kal-El: Well I'm sure you expected some sort of reaction by your parents, perhaps even that, but how did it affect you and your wife - was an emotional acceptance from you or was it more, did you question your own decisions of leaving Islam?
Mace: Well, it was lonely period. Our friends were mostly Muslim also and they stopped talking to us as well. Most people took the attitude that if we turned our backs on Islam, they should turn their backs on us.
Hisham Abu
28-12-07, 05:29 PM
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.You are right. Jazaak Allaahu Khair sister.
Islamiyyah
28-12-07, 05:36 PM
Here's a few excerpts
Both him and his wife appostated along with the childeren?
insomniac
28-12-07, 07:38 PM
no idea who closed it or why
personally i have no problem with it - infact it be interesting to see his reasoning as to why he left islam and hey who knows if the reasons can be countered against u never know inshallah
subhanAllaah exactly what I was thinking...
I don't think Kal means to glorify it.... the interview can be a way to understand and even help bring Mace back to Islaam insha'Allaah...
if we cut off contact, shun him and don't hear his side how are to help bring him back to Islaam?
Baybars
28-12-07, 09:27 PM
Whose Mace? Not the former rap star Mace?????
Arsalan
28-12-07, 09:32 PM
Whose Mace? Not the former rap star Mace?????
Mace Whindu is a powerful Jedi Knight who sits on the Jedi Council, his arm is cut in half by anakin skywalker and he is flung out of the window by darth sidious. This all happens because he tries to kill Darth Sidious who is taking over the republic by stealth, and who has also seduced anakin skywalker to the dark side. He is also the the dark lord of the sith. We assume he dies , but he actually survives his fall and goes into hiding to reappear in the later films which havent been made yet.
This is all fantasy science fiction of course and all pagan dreams of some film maker / writer guy.
Baybars
28-12-07, 09:37 PM
Mace Whindu is a powerful Jedi Knight who sits on the Jedi Council, his arm is cut in half by anakin skywalker and he is flung out of the window by darth sidious. This all happens because he tries to kill Darth Sidious who is taking over the republic by stealth, and who has also seduced anakin skywalker to the dark side. He is also the the dark lord of the sith. We assume he dies , but he actually survives his fall and goes into hiding to reappear in the later films which havent been made yet.
This is all fantasy science fiction of course and all pagan dreams of some film maker / writer guy.
Mace Whindu isn't the dark lord of the sith right? Darth Sidious is. Just want to clarify that. I didn't actually know that Mace Whindu survives. Interesting.
Arsalan
28-12-07, 09:38 PM
Mace Whindu isn't the dark lord of the sith right? Darth Sidious is. Just want to clarify that. I didn't actually know that Mace Whindu survives. Interesting.
Mace windu is a Jedi Knight - i.e. a good guy.
Baybars
28-12-07, 09:42 PM
Mace windu is a Jedi Knight - i.e. a good guy.
Yah I know that bud! :up: But if there's one thing the clone wars have taught us, then it's the fact that even Jedi Knights are seduced by the dark side, and occasionally go bad.
Arsalan
28-12-07, 09:43 PM
Yah I know that bud! :up: But if there's one thing the clone wars have taught us, then it's the fact that even Jedi Knights are seduced by the dark side, and occasionally go bad. Lol Yeh , deceptive world.
Baybars
28-12-07, 09:47 PM
Anyway, going back to this MACE interview thing. I really think it should be allowed to be put on the forum. We're not a bunch of mindless ignoramuses, who are at risk of losing our faith just cause of some post on the forum.
The mods should let it ride, and follow it closely if they have concerns.
Yah I know that bud! :up: But if there's one thing the clone wars have taught us, then it's the fact that even Jedi Knights are seduced by the dark side, and occasionally go bad.
Yes, if they give into their hate and let their anger consume them. :)
Actually, AbuM chose this name for me. I have no idea if it has anything to do with the Jedi Knight of the same name.
Actually, AbuM chose this name for me.
Intimate terms eh...:D
Baybars
28-12-07, 10:11 PM
Yes, if they give into their hate and let their anger consume them. :)
Actually, AbuM chose this name for me. I have no idea if it has anything to do with the Jedi Knight of the same name.
Ahhh...the prodigal son shows his face huh? Your reputation precedes you my friend; your name has certainly stirred up quite a foray of comments. You're almost as popular as Master Whindu!! :D Evidently some people think that you gave into your hate, and must have let anger consume YOU. Interesting stuff :) Maybe if the mods would allow the bro to post his interview, we'd be able to decide for ourselves. Alas, we're at the mercy of ignorance. What a terrible thing indeed.
Islamiyyah
29-12-07, 08:22 PM
Yes, if they give into their hate and let their anger consume them. :)
Actually, AbuM chose this name for me. I have no idea if it has anything to do with the Jedi Knight of the same name.
Wait, so are you the user Peace?
-Yassar
29-12-07, 08:43 PM
Wait, so are you the user Peace?
Nah, cosmic dancer is Peace. Mace is a different apostate, I think from India.
Islamiyyah
29-12-07, 08:47 PM
Nah, cosmic dancer is Peace. Mace is a different apostate, I think from India.
Oh cosmic dancer is peace? I didnt know that.
THE PATH 2
29-12-07, 09:27 PM
Yes, if they give into their hate and let their anger consume them. :)
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hate and anger??look whos talking:)
was it LOVE of mohammed s.a.w...of sahabah and LOVE of ALLAH
that consumed you enough to reject and turn away?
btw..i have personally met by accident and talked to 3 apostates in my life.I SHOULD BE INTERVIEWED:D
subhanAllaah exactly what I was thinking...
if we cut off contact, shun him and don't hear his side how are to help bring him back to Islaam?
if it was a good method, be sure, today we would have in our hand the knowledge that the prophet (pbuh) had done it.
strongly stick to sunnah
then you never loose your way
otherwise...
Originally Posted by MG http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2329385#post2329385)
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.
Ironically the attitude displayed here is more derogative to Muslims than the interview.
Baybars
31-12-07, 01:06 AM
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.
It baffles me how people can be so insecure in their faith, when they think others could possibly lose their deen over seeing something like this posted. Scare mongering, when you have absolutely no clue what's in the interview is insisting on being ignorant. Screaming fitnah fitnah fitnah! Have some courage and self-restraint, to see and analyze the situation. When Allah wills to guide someone, the creation can't do anything to oppose the will of Allah. Allah will guide them. And anyway what if the intention of poster was good, then what? Do you think Allah would be vengeful or Merciful? What if Allah forgave? Sometimes people here make wonder; it's almost like some people here would insist on punishment in the face of mercy. It's dreadful.
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 01:41 AM
i didnt close the thread, but alhamdulillah that the posters here are against it
kalel, since your famous quote that appears whenever you google ummah.com, your presence has stood out in my mind
and since then, it seems that you try to appease to the kuffar, even at the expense of muslims
even in this thread here, you are praising the civility of the kuffar and the bad treatment of the muslims
you are talking about publicizing an interview with a murtad, on an open forum, not for scholars or the well grounded to here, for but every person to hear and read
are you not concerned that the words of mace may be added by shaytan to cause doubt into the minds of some people, possibly new muslims, or weak muslims?
do you not know the ayat where Allah says He does not like evil broadcast in the land?
grandstanding in islam is a sin, commonly called, riyaa
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 01:42 AM
very well said, sis
from the hundreds of thousands who are members and guests here, if any of them muslims or non-muslims who had any interest in coming to islam, turn away from islam in some form or other becos of THIS unncessary interview, you can be sure u will bare some burden of it on the day of judgement in front of allah , lets see if your so-called "interest" and "reasons" (for those wanting to read it as well) washes with the almighty allah then.
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 01:50 AM
Ironically the attitude displayed here is more derogative to Muslims than the interview.
i cant remember you saying a positive thing about muslims in quite some time
you may have, and i may have missed it
but i cant recall
i didnt close the thread, but alhamdulillah that the posters here are against it
kalel, since your famous quote that appears whenever you google ummah.com, your presence has stood out in my mind
What quote are you speaking of?
and since then, it seems that you try to appease to the kuffar, even at the expense of muslims
even in this thread here, you are praising the civility of the kuffar and the bad treatment of the muslims. you are talking about publicizing an interview with a murtad, on an open forum, not for scholars or the well grounded to here, for but every person to hear and read.
do you not know the ayat where Allah says He does not like evil broadcast in the land?It's quite pathetic that you're trying to turn this into a Kufar v Muslim debate in an attempt to stain me and my efforts with the interview before its even completed. Let me tell you something:
I took it upon myself to try and add something to this forum, to this Ummah community. I would spend hours trying to chase around random or certain members from this forum to try and ask them for an interview, and eventually there came a time where some of the interviews would be with non-Muslims. Naturally I'd ask them sooner or later in those interviews what their views would be on Islam and Muslims - and no way did I have prior knowledge to what they would say. They were pretty much direct, and open conversations. Naturally, had they have said something which would have been inappropriate to publish on the forum, it would be unacceptable and a contradiction to my efforts and motives in trying to do something for this community we have here. So the least you could take from that, is to give me a break!
The selection of Mace for this interview, as I've constantly said in this thread, had no potential for anything offensive - derogative to Islam or potentially harmful to the image of Islam. I, the one who asks the questions, who is ultimately responsible for the words you read on the interview, have consistently, and persistently echoed, declared and protest that there is nothing of the sort to be concerned by. I've even said several times, it'll go through an approval by a Moderator.
They were ignored, and as I see, they are still being ignored. And so let the thunder and barrage of criticism pour..
Let me get on my high horse here for a moment if I may; it seems to me that I am the one, who is unjustly, expressing an appreciation to your concerns, to your viewpoint, the one who is trying to understand your fears - not for sentimental reasons to try and sway the negativity, but because I do understand. I have seen several apostates who have spoken terribly about Islam, and I have had this discussion with Mace prior to the actual interview in how there'd be no potential Fitnah in this piece. In fact, he was the one who bought the subject up incidentally. So why is it that some individuals here pick up their microphones, put their fingers in their ears and screech the same ignorant, arrogant, and rather insulting nonsense to me continuously whilst they ironically try to rally a cry out for intelligent thinking?
Every single rebuttal to this interview has been exactly the same thing, to the point I'm getting tired of having to repeat myself. There is no "evil" in the content of the interview, this is no attempt to broadcast anything specific or anything relating to Islam itself. This is about certain instances of a member's life which may or may not interest people on this forum. It is about the relationship between people of two different faiths, of different backgrounds and it is sincerely a good read.
No one, other than me and Mace know what the interview says. Yet you've all judged it, seemingly because you were apparently there and read the words on our screens. You apparently know of the "evil" that I'm trying to broadcast..so give me an example of this evil. Show me where in this interview, that justifies this hysteria that our deen is being attacked. Show me the evidence, where the accusations and attacks on me are justified because of my potent passion of siding with Kufar over Muslims, like I'm betraying my faith, in this interview.
Show me. Show me.
You cannot show me a single word.
It's funny you know. Where are the Muslims here, who are meant to remind you to show some faith in your brothers, to atleast give them a chance. To not attack them so publicly, and incidentally, cause fitnah in your unnecessary and petty attacks. But hey, what does it matter. Let's remind him of the evil he is doing - based on what we assume he's doing - based on, well, based on our expectations, I suppose.
This interview is being posted, you can print it out and eat it and spit it out for all I care. You'll read the interview, every single one of you whose posted here or shown interest here, will read every single word and you'll analyse every piece of grammar. No doubt you'll try hard to find a piece that proved right your claims. But when you fail, you will be silent and you will not offer one piece of apology because thats who you are. And by your comparison, that interview will seem like a child's bedtime story compared to your ignorance and reckless tongues that's better suited to an abyss.
i cant remember you saying a positive thing about muslims in quite some time
you may have, and i may have missed it
but i cant recall
Well, what do I say - when I'm not off topic. What do I speak of here..?
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 02:15 AM
this quote
But not all comments were negative. A contributor called Kal-El wrote: “It’s time to show the world that we are not barbaric people who lust for blood. I am sick and tired of my faith being tarnished in this way and . . . being labelled a terrorist simply because I am a Muslim.”
this quote
But not all comments were negative. A contributor called Kal-El wrote: “It’s time to show the world that we are not barbaric people who lust for blood. I am sick and tired of my faith being tarnished in this way and . . . being labelled a terrorist simply because I am a Muslim.”
I'm sorry what is your point with this..I'm genuinely confused as to what you're implying..
Baybars
31-12-07, 02:23 AM
At the very least the mods should read it, and either post it on the forum or explain their reasons for refusing to do so. I think that's very fair.
Bro Abu Mubarak. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the tone in your posts seems rather condescending towards Kal-el. If that is the case, they surely he deserves better then that.
I've said that - a Moderator will read it before anyone and approve it if they're okay with it. I have no problem with that. I don't even have the problem with people expressing their concerns; my problem is that they're taking these assumptions as factual. They're not saying "this interview better not have any of this". They're talking as if the interview does have that, they've already pre-judged it and are now trying to judge me.
How does that work then :scratch:
Baybars
31-12-07, 02:33 AM
I've said that - a Moderator will read it before anyone and approve it if they're okay with it. I have no problem with that. I don't even have the problem with people expressing their concerns; my problem is that they're taking these assumptions as factual. They're not saying "this interview better not have any of this". They're talking as if the interview does have that, they've already pre-judged it and are now trying to judge me.
How does that work then :scratch:
It doesn't work, or rather it shouldn't work, but apparently ignorance is the benchmark for some people here. What can you do bro? Some people just want to place their hands over their ears and sing as loudly as they can. This is the reason why the ummah's in a mess, and I don't mean the forum.
And for those who are thinking alot of people are against me; well I've received support from alot more people than I've gotten from people who are against me on this. :up:
Baybars
31-12-07, 02:35 AM
And for those who are thinking alot of people are against me; well I've received support from alot more people than I've gotten from people who are against me on this. :up:
Why not set up a poll on this bro? I don't know how to do it, otherwise I would have done one. At least we'd be able to tell how many people want to and don't want to see it posted.
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 02:39 AM
At the very least the mods should read it, and either post it on the forum or explain their reasons for refusing to do so. I think that's very fair.
Bro Abu Mubarak. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the tone in your posts seems rather condescending towards Kal-el. If that is the case, they surely he deserves better then that.baybars
i give everyone a positive benefit of the doubt
until they go against that
what he deserves, Allah knows best, but i call them as i see them
and regarding voting more positive than negative, none of that influences me nor my decisions
like i said, i didnt close the thread, but i understand why it was closed
I'll do the poll but I don't want it to be public because I'm not sure people want to be seen in voting for something where others are against this, particularly in this context. Is that acceptable, or does it need to be a public vote?
This interview has the potential to turn out negatively or positively. So we should give our brother the benefit of the doubt and just wait and see. If we're going to critisize, at least do it after the interview. And how negative can it turn out if mods are going to pre-read it? I don't understand what all the fuss is about?
Baybars
31-12-07, 02:50 AM
baybars
i give everyone a positive benefit of the doubt
until they go against that
what he deserves, Allah knows best, but i call them as i see them
and regarding voting more positive than negative, none of that influences me nor my decisions
like i said, i didnt close the thread, but i understand why it was closed
Hmmmmm. So once someone goes against the benefit of your doubt, that's basically the green light for you to change your nice tone to a more condescending one? What if it turns out that he didn't deserve your condescending tone, what will you do then? Maybe you'll rely on YOUR intentions, the same way he relies on his. Ludicrous, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not saying lets put it to a vote and then decide to post it or not. I'm saying that if we poll'd the issue, then we'd at least know how many people are for or against it. After all, you're the one who said "but alhamdulillah that the posters here are against it". Regardless of the poll, you will always maintain your personal control over the forum; that won't change.
I might be wrong, but I can't help but feel that this is more of a personal issue with Kal-el, as opposed to the contents of the interview.
Baybars
31-12-07, 02:52 AM
I'll do the poll but I don't want it to be public because I'm not sure people want to be seen in voting for something where others are against this, particularly in this context. Is that acceptable, or does it need to be a public vote?
Don't do it public. People will leave comments if they feel the need to.
This interview has the potential to turn out negatively or positively. So we should give our brother the benefit of the doubt and just wait and see. If we're going to critisize, at least do it after the interview. And how negative can it turn out if mods are going to pre-read it? I don't understand what all the fuss is about?
Exactly bro!!
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 02:53 AM
this has absolutely nothing to do with the interview, i havent heard it, nor am i interested in hearing or reading it
this has to do with the idea of interviewing a murtad and publicizing it
it also has to do with kalel constantly sympathizing with waywardness in islam
we are not all going to get along, we will have differences, kalel and i look at life and islam very different
I've done the poll (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153932)thing. It had to public just to appease possible doubts.
it also has to do with kalel constantly sympathizing with waywardness in islam
What are you talking about? If you have such potent things to say about another, post here or PM to me your reasons please.
Sulaiman Harun
31-12-07, 02:57 AM
:start:
:salams
There's absolutely absolutely no need of interviewing an apostate since he is hated by Muslims more than other kuffar. Doing an interview with a kafir will be of more sense rather than an apostate. Its better to know a brother or sister rather than a person who left Islam and ALlah (SWT) knows best!
Baybars
31-12-07, 03:03 AM
it also has to do with kalel constantly sympathizing with waywardness in islam
That's quite an assault brother. It might have been kinder if you were to kick his teeth in. Terrible!
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 03:06 AM
more than my sentence, do a search of his posts
as a matter of fact, people should do this before wanting to step to a mod about what he should or should not do
the fact he wants to publicize this interview, among other things is an indication of the mindset we are dealing with
if you guys want to get more of kalel, sign on to his website that his constantly trying to recruit people to
by all means, go there, enjoy yourselves, and listen to all the murtads you want to hear
Islamiyyah
31-12-07, 03:08 AM
Kal-El it's like as if we are accepting him and his evil doings, treating him as if he has done nothing. The punishment for apostating is death as we all know. We should show our baraa to him and animosity.
more than my sentence, do a search of his posts
as a matter of fact, people should do this before wanting to step to a mod about what he should or should not do
the fact he wants to publicize this interview, among other things is an indication of the mindset we are dealing with
if you guys want to get more of kalel, sign on to his website that his constantly trying to recruit people to
by all means, go there, enjoy yourselves, and listen to all the murtads you want to hear
Show me those posts because you're now slandering another Muslim "blindly", without any evidence to support your claim, and the easy response as "search for it yourself".
Show me that. Or take it back. I don't take you as the man who likes to take his words back, so I expect you to show me those posts where you've gained this impression of me worthy to be judged upon.
Do not disappoint me please.
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 03:10 AM
i knew you would come with that, thats why i said, this thread alone is sufficient
*smiles*
Well thank you for the discussion, I'm sure it was as good for you as it was for me.
Baybars
31-12-07, 03:14 AM
more than my sentence, do a search of his posts
as a matter of fact, people should do this before wanting to step to a mod about what he should or should not do
Woah brother! step to a mod??? What do you mean step to to a mod? You mean like step to a mod and drag him off his high horsey??
In any case, your being condescending towards another brother isn't about the other brother. Ultimately it's about YOU. If you can't see that, then that's definitely your problem. But you're not going to get that are you?
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 03:14 AM
i responded to your poll thread
same stuff, different day
AbuMubarak
31-12-07, 03:16 AM
Woah brother! step to a mod??? What do you mean step to to a mod? You mean like step to a mod and drag him off his high horsey??
In any case, your being condescending towards another brother isn't about the other brother. Ultimately it's about YOU. If you can't see that, then that's definitely your problem. But you're not going to get that are you?
no i am not
i am not being condenscending, i am really being cautious in my words, i have more things i have thought about which i am not saying
you may see it the way you see it, and you may think your approach to me was proper, i accept you and your approach, as i accept kalel and his approach
we all have our own ways and approaches
such is life
Baybars
31-12-07, 03:20 AM
no i am not
i am not being condenscending, i am really being cautious in my words, i have more things i have thought about which i am not saying
you may see it the way you see it, and you may think your approach to me was proper, i accept you and your approach, as i accept kalel and his approach
we all have our own ways and approaches
such is life
Whatever brother. I'm done with this.
Islamiyyah
31-12-07, 03:24 AM
I think we all should respect eachother, especially akhi Abu Mubarak. After all it will be up to the mods to post this interview or not, correct? We need to, actually we must show our baraa to those Allah aza wa jaal hates. And He is ar-Rahman. Ya Arhamu Rahimeen
So now I understand a little bit. You guys should have said in the first place. There'd be no point in doing an interview, because it isn't what he says or what we talk about which is the issue, the issue is the fact that he be asked questions and allowed to answer on a thread. I can understand that. Even though, he technically is allowed to do that by posting and discussing topics about faith and philosophy..
That's the last part I don't get?
Islamiyyah
31-12-07, 03:32 AM
So now I understand a little bit. You guys should have said in the first place. There'd be no point in doing an interview, because it isn't what he says or what we talk about which is the issue, the issue is the fact that he be asked questions and allowed to answer on a thread. I can understand that. Even though, he technically is allowed to do that by posting and discussing topics about faith and philosophy..
That's the last part I don't get?
I think it's more that we are 'accepting' him. For example, would you like to interview, oh whats his name.... Salman Rushdie with kind questions, knowing he has apostated and Allah hates him? If Allah hates him we should too. I dont think Allah aza wa jaal would approve that we interview him etc. I mean if you want to, thats a personal choice and is between you and Allah, but like many have said before, publisizing it here is not a good idea and goes against the idealogy of baraa.
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