Darulifta Deoband

[The Deen]

Please do benefit, link, bookmark, and tell everyone about Online Daruliftaa of Darul Uloom Deoband:

http://darulifta-deoband.org/

Jazakallah Khair

[(*_Hamzah]

Asslaam alaikum

Is this the offical site?

[The Deen]

http://www.darululoom-deoband.com/

[Medievalist]

:jkk:

I'd love to be farigh from Deoband madrassah - their dars e nizami is unmatched IMHO in entire subcontinent.

Once in a lesson we had a visiting Mawlana sitting in and our Teacher who is yemeni and the Mawlana were talking in arabic. And Shaykh asks Mawlana that where did you learn your arabic? and Mawlana goes in india, Shaykh was really impressed and surprised at the level of arabic taught - mashaALLAH.

[Abu Maryum]

Im confused. someone told me deobandi is a sect? is this correct?

[Medievalist]

Im confused. someone told me deobandi is a sect? is this correct?

lol. no.

Deoband is a town in India. There is a HUGE Darul Uloom there. People who graduate from there or graduate from madaaris affiliated with the DuU are called Deobandi - kinda like saying fulaan is an oxford graduate.

They are Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah. mashaALLAH.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

What do they teach in terms of Aqeedah?

[Abu Maryum]

Are you sure?

i got told that with regards to aqeedah, they follow the madhhab of Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi,Whilst they follow the madhhab of Imaam Abu Haneefah and
also they follow the Sufi tareeqahs of the Naqshbandiyah Chishtiyah,Qadiriyah and Saharwardiyah with regard to spiritual development i think.

[Abu Maryum]

What do they teach in terms of Aqeedah?

I dont know much but i read that this is a philosophical group which is named after Abu Mansoor al-Maatreedi. It's based on rational and philosophical proof and evidence in disputes with others from among the Mu’tazilah, Jahamiyyah and others to establish the truths of religion and Islamic aqeedah.With regard to sources, the Maatreediyyah divide the bases of religion into two categories depending on the source:

1 – Divine or rational: these are matters which are established independently by reason and the reports follow that. This includes issues of Tawheed and the Divine attributes.

2 – Legislative matters or transmitted reports, These are matters which reason states may or may not exist, but there is no way to prove rationally that they exist, such as Prophethood, the torment of the grave and issues of the Hereafter. It should be noted that some of them regarded Prophethood as coming under the heading of rational issues.

so i thought that it was then obvious that this is contradictory to the methodology of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, because the Qur’aan, Sunnah and consensus of the Sahaabah are the sources of guidance in their view.

This is in addition to their bid’ah (innovation) of dividing the sources of religion into rational matters vs. transmitted reports, which was based on the false notion of the philosophers who assumed that the religious texts contradict reason, so they tried to mediate between reason and the transmitted reports. This led them to force reason into fields where it has no place, so they came up with false rulings which contradicted sharee’ah, and that led them to say that they did not know what the texts mean and that only Allaah knows their meaning, or to misinterpret them altogether. In the view of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, on the other hand, there is no contradiction between sound reason and the sound transmitted reports.

[ImaanSeeker]

I dont know much .

Then InshaAllah, learn from traditionally trained scholars before jumping into such complex topics. :up:

[imranpatel]

:salams

thanks for the link.

[faqir]

I dont know much

then why dont you shut up?

[faqir]

What do they teach in terms of Aqeedah?

Are you the Aqeedah police here?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Mind your own business.

[The Deen]

Assalamu Alaykum,

Why all the hullabaloo in this topic? Darul Uloom Deoband is just a top Madrasah in Deoband, they have a fatwa department like many other Darul 'Ulooms, and so, if anyone wants to ask a question, use the link and you'll be answered to sooner or later insha'Allah.

They're not a sect, it's just a place, as mentioned above, and the world's top 'Ulama come from there.

May Allah keep them on this earth for a long time.

Ameen.

Wassalam

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

I only asked what is their Aqeedah. It's a legitimate question. Sorry if anyone took offence even though I see no reason why they should.

[The Deen]

Check their website and if that doesn't give enough info, then post again insha'Allah.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Hmmm. Had a little browse yesterday and today. Couldn't find anything definitive. Came across a dodgy fatwa though.

[The Deen]

Dodgy fatwa?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Referring to Salafis (although the questioner typed 'SALAF' which was addressed but it's quite obvious what the questioner meant and this too was 'explained'):

Q: what is SALAF (Salafi) and what is DEOBANDI and what are the main differences between them?

From the Answer:
...But, there is a group who denies the explanations of the Quran and Hadith that have been narrated by the Four Imams, instead it follows its own explanation of Quran and Hadith and claims to follow Hadith. This group condemns following any Imam rather it abuses them; therefore they are called Ghair Muqallid...

[The Deen]

What's wrong with that?

[Abu Maryum]

i am sorry, i never did intend to upset anyone i just wanted to find out.
but what i posted was not my own thinking but from islam QA.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

What's wrong with that?denies the explanations of the Quran and Hadith that have been narrated by the Four ImamsThis is a red herring. Salafis do indeed take from the four Imaams. Thing is, Salafis don't limit themselves to only one of the four Imaams when it comes to explanations of Qur'aan and Ahadeeth. I strongly doubt, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that the Deobandi scholars take from only one of the Imaams when it comes to explanations of Qur'aan and Ahadeeth.instead it follows its own explanation of Quran and Hadith and claims to follow HadithNot too sure what this means. It implies that Salafis do not follow (classical) scholars which is of course a falsehood.This group condemns following any Imam...Lie....rather it abuses themAnother slanderous lie.

In all, it looks more like a smear than a fatwa.

[Medievalist]

May Allah keep them on this earth for a long time.

Ameen.


ameen thumma ameen

In regards the fatwah:

Firstly we need to be aware of the situation and condition of the people the fatwah applies to. It is indeed true what Abu Abdullah says regarding the TRUE salafi brothers who have knowledge and are respectful of the Ulama; but the laypersons and many who make claim to be salafis are infact self-taught Muftis who read the Book and the Kitabs of Ahadeeth themselves and derive their own fiqh, their own aqeedah, their own tazkiyyah - and I am pretty certain, keeping Husn e Zan in mind, that it is to these people who the fatwah is directed.
Secondly to state a fatwah is dodgy or straight one can only do this if he himself is aware of a full situation and a full knowledge of the subject matter. If a person is diagnosed by a Dr. as having high cholesterol and the person is a gym fanatic with healthy diet and we say that the Dr. is wrong. True Dr. MIGHT be wrong - but we dont have the full information that the Dr. has so we cant diagnose or declare his diagnosis incorrect. If we understand this point then inshaALLAH we will understand the point of fataawah.

Today if a person brings me a fatwah of a Mufti from a different maslak and it contradicts the ruling of my Mufti - I wont say he has given a dodgy fatwah, just will say that I heard/read/was taught different, or our belief is that x,y,z is the correct fatwah because I dont have the FULL knowledge of Quran and Hadeeth and Masaa'il at my instant disposal that I can be so confident as to declare a Muftis fatwah as dodgy. Obviously if fatwah is something blatantly haraam - eg man can marry more than 4 women - then we reject it because this is something clear and for which there is no justification but generally it is better to express our disagreement in other words rather than declaring dodgy etc.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Akhee, with all due respect, this fatwa did not contain any examples nor did I see any evidence. The 'fatwa' was smearing a group and it's obvious who it was referring to. It could have at least contained some proofs for the claims that the whole group was 'guilty' of the allegations.

Sure, there are individuals who elevate their own status to that of a scholar prematurely, but these people are everywhere. Why even say 'many who claim to be salafi' as if this kind of behaviour is exclusive to them? This is the problem with the fatwa. It was talking about a group and that's why I spoke against it. Nowhere in the fatwa did it say it was referring to a few misguided inviduals as the question itself was about salafis.

OK. Maybe I was wrong to use the word dodgy. 'Questionable' may be a more appropriate term but it doesn't divert from the fact that it was a feeble attempt to discredit another group.

[Medievalist]

Abu Abdullah - bro email darul iftaa and present your objections/questions inshaALLAH. :up:

can you give a link to the fatwah please aswell ?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Fatwa (http://darulifta-deoband.org/viewfatwa.jsp?ID=570)

I have sent the e-mail.

[Medievalist]

Having read the fatwah I think it has been answered entirely appropriately. The fatwah states what/who salaf are and then speaks about a group of people who have x,y,z characterisitics and are termed GM. It doesnt say salaf/salafi are this. It says those who have these characteristics are termed GM. Simple imho.

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Well I thought it was pretty clear that the questioner made a typo and typed in SALAF instead of SALAFI. They knew this which is why they answered what the Salaf means, and also who this group are.

If they thought the questioner was really interested in the SALAF and not SALAFI, why did they even mention a random group and claim they dont follow the four Imaams?

[Medievalist]

I think it best we drop this topic. InshaALLAH you'll get a response from the email :up:

Ulama e Haq! Deoband Deoband!

[THE PATH 2]

Ulama e Haq! Deoband Deoband!

and great ulema/mujahids who did jihaad

ask the british

[Medievalist]

and great ulema/mujahids who did jihaad

ask the british

lol. rather not bro.

[al-ghazalli]

It is true that the Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband are Hanafi in Fiqh and Muturidi Aqeedah.

Some of the most eminent Scholars in Islam have graduated from that school or had some affliation with it.

Imam Anwar Shah Kashmiri being a great Scholar who comes to my mind.

Imam Shafi Usmani, Shaikh Zakariya (May Allah Grant them All Jannatul Fardous).

As for the "dodgy" fatwa...one has to understand the circumstances between the Ahl a-hadith Scholars and the Scholars in the "Traditional Camp"

The Ahl a-Hadith Scholars of Pakistan are very extreme to even to the point where Shaykh Uthmani (Rahimullah) the late Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia (May Allah Grant Him Jannatul Fardous) has spoken out against them.

The group has caused certain problems within South Asia and well lets just keep it at that. So the "Salafi" they are refering to is within that context.

As for Deobandi relationship with the Saudi Ulema it more than just cordial this is evident when one stays in Makkah and Medina and notice the interaction between the two camps and respect for each other...while maintaining differences.


And Allah Knows Best.

[Medievalist]

It is true that the Ulema of Darul Uloom Deoband are Hanafi in Fiqh and Muturidi Aqeedah.

Some of the most eminent Scholars in Islam have graduated from that school or had some affliation with it.

Imam Anwar Shah Kashmiri being a great Scholar who comes to my mind.

Imam Shafi Usmani, Shaikh Zakariya (May Allah Grant them All Jannatul Fardous).

As for the "dodgy" fatwa...one has to understand the circumstances between the Ahl a-hadith Scholars and the Scholars in the "Traditional Camp"

The Ahl a-Hadith Scholars of Pakistan are very extreme to even to the point where Shaykh Uthmani (Rahimullah) the late Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia (May Allah Grant Him Jannatul Fardous) has spoken out against them.

The group has caused certain problems within South Asia and well lets just keep it at that. So the "Salafi" they are refering to is within that context.

As for Deobandi relationship with the Saudi Ulema it more than just cordial this is evident when one stays in Makkah and Medina and notice the interaction between the two camps and respect for each other...while maintaining differences.


And Allah Knows Best.


top answer bro. Thats what I was trying to say but didnt quite manage it about Ahle Hadeeth in indo-pak being on a next level.

also Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyyah rahimahullah didn't graduate from Deoband madrassah - he learnt most of his kitabs from his father, Mawlana Yahya, and Mawlana Khaleel Ahmad. His affiliation with Mazaahir ul Uloom, Saharanpur rather than deoband madrassah.

[abdulhakeem]

Darul directs Muslims to avoid cow slaughter on Eid

New Delhi, Dec 20: As a mark of respect for Hindu sentiments, leading Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband has asked Muslims to avoid cow slaughter on the occasion of ID-ul-Azha tomorrow.

As a mark of respect for Hindu sentiments, leading Islamic seminary Darul Uloom Deoband has asked Muslims to avoid cow slaughter on the occasion of ID-ul-Azha tomorrow.

Muslims should avoid cow slaughter as a mark of respect for Hindu sentiments, says a booklet brought out by the seminary, in which several guidelines for "qurbani" (sacrifice) during Bakrid have been underlined.

The booklet explains the concept of qurbani and enlists directions for offering of the sacrifice.

Fatwa against artificial insemination

Deoband has issued a fatwa against artificial insemination, evoking mixed reaction from prominent Muslim groups who said the matter is "debatable" and there is a need to draft special guidelines.

The fatwa issued early this month stated: "It is not right to masturbate in order to get children by artificial insemination. The Muslim couples should avoid it".

There is nothing wrong in adopting fair means for having children while it is disallowed to adopt unlawful means, it said.

Moulana Jalaluddin Umri, convener Shariyat Committee, All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) said that the the fatwa was "correct" according to the Shariyat.

"However, with changing time their should be some relaxations especially in such cases," he told agencies.

"Muslim clerics and scholars need to sit together and frame guidelines in sensitive matter like the one," Umri said adding the AIMPLB would take up the matter in its board meeting.

Stating the process to be a haram (sin), the fatwa said: "The child born out of husband`s semen will be regarded `sabit-un-nasab` (one`s own descendant), when the husband himself inserts the semen into the uterus of his wife. Otherwise it is a `haram` to get it done by any doctor".

Another Muslim organisation, Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind said there is no need for the seminary to issue strict guidelines on the issue and it should be legalised if couples are not left with any other choice.

"Nothing is written about artificial insemination or any other artificial means of conception in Quran. Hence, the matter is debatable. Muslim bodies should sit together and must come out with a common framework on the matter," Jamiat-Ulema-e-Hind spokesperson Abdul Hameed Nomani said.

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?rep=2&aid=414391&sid=REG

Avoid cow slaughter, says Deoband

21 Dec 2007

LUCKNOW: An observation by Dar-ul-Uloom, Deoband, that Muslims should restrain from sacrificing cows if such an act threatens to disturb peace and harmony has been welcomed by not just clerics but common Muslims as well.

The noted seminary has said that considering Hindu sentiments, Muslims should "avoid" killing cows on a day that is usually marked by sacrifice of animals ranging from goats, camels and bulls to cows and buffaloes. The comment finds mention in Dar-ul-Uloom's booklet in which several other guidelines for ‘qurbani' (sacrifice) have been mentioned.

But along with this Dar-ul-Uloom observation, there have arrived a couple of fatwas from the seminary: one, that artificial insemination may be permitted under specific circumstances; and, two, Islamic TV channels are a strict no-no.

While clerics accept Deoband's views on artificial insemination, almost all of them are reluctant to endorse the fatwa on Islamic TV channels.

In a recent query received by Dar-ul-Uloom seeking a fatwa on artificial insemination, a letter stated, "Is it allowed in Islam if it is between legally married couple and due to some unknown reason they are not having children for the past three years?"

The fatwa to the query reads: "There is no wrong in adopting fair means for having children while it is disallowed to adopt unlawful means. It is not right to masturbate in order to get children by artificial insemination; however, the child born out of husband's semen will be regarded sabit-un-nasab (one's own descendant), but this way is unnatural and undesirable. It is haraam to get it done by any doctor; since covering of private parts is obligatory and it is haraam for other men to see the private parts of a woman without any sharai (prescribed by Sharia) reason. The husband and wife should avoid it."

"Artificial insemination is permitted if it is done lawfully. This means that while adopting the process no such act must be performed which is not permitted in Islam," says Maulana Khalid Rasheed, the Naib Imam of Lucknow's biggest Eidgah at Aishbagh.

Another query on Islamic TV channels seeks a detailed fatwa from Dar-ul-Uloom: Is it right to do business of television (say, producing films)?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Avoid_cow_slaughter_says_Deoband/articleshow/2639217.cms

Fatwa against television trashed
OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

Lucknow, Dec. 19: Television is “haram (sinful)” and even watching religious programmes is not acceptable, an Islamic seminary said in a fatwa that has been trashed by scholars and community leaders.

The fatwa was issued by the Dar-ul Uloom in Deoband, near Muzaffarnagar, in response to a madarsa teacher’s plea to clarify whether watching Islamic channels and televised debates on religious issues was right.

The edict is being seen as regressive. “If watching TV is anti-Islamic, why do we watch Haj on TV?” asked Khalid Rashid Firangi Mahali of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board.

Khalid questioned how the clerics at Deoband, who are no strangers to television and often come on camera during debates, could take such a stand.

“These matters (watching Islamic channels) are related to religion, so you should see from whom you are taking your religion. You should learn from authentic and pious people,” the fatwa, issued on December 8, said.

The Deoband clerics argued that while television “is a tool of entertainment and enjoyment”, it was mostly used for “unlawful and prohibited things”.

A Dar-ul Uloom spokesperson tried to fend off the criticism, saying its muftis had always said fatwas were only an “interpretation” of Islamic law and not something that was being “pushed down the throats of people”.

“It is not compulsory for Muslims to follow it,” he said.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071220/jsp/nation/story_8688288.jsp

[al-ghazalli]

also Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyyah rahimahullah didn't graduate from Deoband madrassah - he learnt most of his kitabs from his father, Mawlana Yahya, and Mawlana Khaleel Ahmad. His affiliation with Mazaahir ul Uloom, Saharanpur rather than deoband madrassah.

Jazkallah Khair for the correction Sidi! :)

[Medievalist]

Jazkallah Khair for the correction Sidi! :)

barakallah feek.