Mods, New Science Sub-Forum Please

[Nero]

Mods,

The Comparative Religion sub-forum often seems to have an awful lot of threads that are of a scientific bent, as science is not a religion this sub-forum is probably not the best place for these.

Any chance you could create a Science sub-forum this could be used for:

* Youngsters wanting help with science homework
* Oldsters wanting to discuss science
* Discussions around recent scientific discoveries/announcements
* Stop Science being discussed in CR
* ..and lots of other stuff that I cannot think of.

Just an idea, what do you think?

(A thread I started in CR to discuss this http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151742 )

Thanks

[ibn suleman]

hmm it seems like a good idea,


but are there many sciency threads around?

[Nero]

hmm it seems like a good idea,


but are there many sciency threads around?

Create the sub-forum, and I'll create the threads.

[ibn suleman]

Create the sub-forum, and I'll create the threads.

LOL

not me that creates it anyway :p


but shudnt there be a need for sumthing before its created,
i just looked thru CR, not that many sciency threads to warrant a sub forum..

u know u shuda added a poll to this thread :p

[Hisham Abu]

I think there should be a maths forum...

[Nero]

u shuda added a poll to this thread :p

Done

[.: Anna :.]

we are going to be redoing the cr section insha allah, like getting dedicated mods (two) and keeping it better organised and more under control insha allah
so i will bring the idea to the attention to the one of the cr mods which we already hav got on board?
if there is enough threads, i dont see it as a problem to have this a subforum within the cr section.. but upto the ones who will be focusing in that area

[.: Anna :.]

I think there should be a maths forum...

use the homework help study area?

[ibn suleman]

Done

cool :up:

[Nero]

I think there should be a maths forum...

I personally see maths as an extension to science so that would fall under the remit of the proposed sub-forum.

[.: Anna :.]

we are going to be redoing the cr section insha allah, like getting dedicated mods (two) and keeping it better organised and more under control insha allah
so i will bring the idea to the attention to the one of the cr mods which we already hav got on board?
if there is enough threads, i dont see it as a problem to have this a subforum within the cr section.. but upto the ones who will be focusing in that area

linking ur other thread so the mod can look at it easily when looking in this one

http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2299770#post2299770

[Hisham Abu]

use the homework help study area?That's true.

[Nero]

a subforum within the cr section

A Science sub-forum should not be within CR, the whole point of my stance is that science is not religion.

(I'm also willing to put myself forward as a mod for a newly created Science forum)

Thanks

[ibn suleman]

A Science sub-forum should not be within CR, the whole point of my stance is that science is not religion.

(I'm also willing to put myself forward as a mod for a newly created Science forum)

Thanks


where wud it go? :confused:

[.: Anna :.]

A Science sub-forum should not be within CR, the whole point of my stance is that science is not religion.

(I'm also willing to put myself forward as a mod for a newly created Science forum)

Thanks

Oh i misunderstood your point then.

I don't like the idea as a totally seperate area, as subforum in CR i find it okay.

[Nero]

where wud it go? :confused:

I would leave that up for others to decide, but NOT under CR.

[Nero]

as subforum in CR i find it okay.

Your call, but I would have thought diluting CR would be counterproductive.

[Arsalan]

A science section run by anti religionalist might turn out messy and undesirable. Muslim or Non Muslim - --

However having a science forum in principle is a good idea and help expand ummah members perspectives and knowledge inshAllah. And hopefully give them more of an appreciation of science and its applicaiton around us.

There are plenty of such forums already on the net for those looking for something like that. So people can go there too.

[.: Anna :.]

Your call, but I would have thought diluting CR would be counterproductive.

As a subforum it would take all of that content out of the main CR area, where its currently being posted. and it would be seperate for those who wish to focus more on that, or to avoid if not. I dont think it has enough demand to be a full seperate forum on the main forum listing, that is the reason why I only like the idea as a subforum.

[sajid]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151918

[dhakiyya]

Discussion with atheists and agnostics is part of the scope of the comparative religion forum. Therefore in as much as athiests and agnostics base their belief system on science, discussion of it belongs in there, e.g. debates that arise from this like was the universe created by an intelligent creator or is it the result of blind chance, and similar.

The purpose of CR is dawa, therefore this includes dawa to atheists and agnostics, and therefore such discussions should take place in there.

As for somewhere for people to discuss science *without* debating with athiests/agnostics - that would be a good idea for a separate forum, but to prevent constant debates breaking out (atheists would home in on it) it would need to be in the Muslim only forum. Which I think is an idea worth considering inshaAllah.

The scope of the comparative religion forum - i.e. discussion with other religions including athiest/agnostic (even if some don't consider they count as religion) for the purpose of dawa - is not going to be changed inshaAllah. However if you think a better title for the forum might be appropriate I'd be interested in suggestions inshaAllah.

[Skavau]

debates that arise from this like was the universe created by an intelligent creator or is it the result of blind chance, and similar.
That's philosophy.

[Nero]

....snip....

As science is not in business of trying to disapprove religious believes I would see a Science sub-forum to entirely separate to CR, and as such I really don’t understand why it should be a Muslim only forum.

Both the religious and the a-religious try to use science to justify their standpoints, and certainly these discussions can remain in CR. A Science sub-forum, however, would not be religious centric (not too dissimilar to the Digital Highway forum). Regardless of how people try to use it to better their own end-points, science is not a religion.

Thanks

[Sultan]

I would very much like there to be a science forum, so all the creation vs evolution stuff can be dumped there.

This topic comes up too regularly, so its about time it needed its own forum. Personally, the topic does not belong in the CR thread.

[dhakiyya]

As science is not in business of trying to disapprove religious believes I would see a Science sub-forum to entirely separate to CR, and as such I really don’t understand why it should be a Muslim only forum.

Both the religious and the a-religious try to use science to justify their standpoints, and certainly these discussions can remain in CR. A Science sub-forum, however, would not be religious centric (not too dissimilar to the Digital Highway forum). Regardless of how people try to use it to better their own end-points, science is not a religion.

Thanks

Okay, thats fine, by removing science from CR I thought you meant removing those debates. Actually the idea of a separate science forum in addition to CR free from religious discussion I think is worth considering. I am a science teacher after all :) (by profession, currently teaching English at the moment - a whole different story!) Whether Muslim only or not would need to be discussed among the admin team inshaAllah. Some subject matter like the theory of evolution always seems to trigger massive arguments. Though I suppose these could all be moved to CR and people who persistently argue in there can be dealt with inshaAllah.

you said above that you consider maths as an extension to science, so perhaps a science and maths forum? Same forum as you describe, but more inclusive (and to stop people asking for a maths forum)

Anyway, along these lines, I quite like the idea, and we are currently working on a reshuffle of the forum, so inshaAllah we can definitely consider this carefully.

[Nero]

we can definitely consider this carefully.

Thank you very much.

[dhakiyya]

I would very much like there to be a science forum, so all the creation vs evolution stuff can be dumped there.

This topic comes up too regularly, so its about time it needed its own forum. Personally, the topic does not belong in the CR thread.

Well we are having an overhaul of CR inshaAllah. We do want these debates to remain in CR but if its such a big topic that swamps other issues then maybe inshaAllah we can consider a subforum just for creation versus evolution inshaAllah, within CR?

The idea of the science forum I think would not be for debates. Though inshaAllah its Nero's idea and I think that's what he's suggesting?

[Nero]

The idea of the science forum I think would not be for debates. Though inshaAllah its Nero's idea and I think that's what he's suggesting?

Debates (discussions?) would be fine, but not religious debates. For example a debate around the likelihood that Fermat really did manage to find a solution to his theorem, or was he just posturing in his margins would be acceptable.

But most certainly not debates that are trying to use science to further any belief structure, be it religious or a-religious.

[dhakiyya]

I understand what you mean mashaAllah. Yes its the religious debates to do with science that should stay in CR inshaAllah.

[ibn suleman]

Debates (discussions?) would be fine, but not religious debates. For example a debate around the likelihood that Fermat really did manage to find a solution to his theorem, or was he just posturing in his margins would be acceptable.

But most certainly not debates that are trying to use science to further any belief structure, be it religious or a-religious.

that seems like a good idea...:up:


did u know edison wasnt the first to invent the lightbulb...

[Nirvana]

I voted yes but what is this sub going to have in it? Just common science or the theory of Evolution or something annoying like that?