street fighting to protect weak friends.

[iamunregistered]

Aslam alikam wrt brk,

I hope my fellow brothers and sisters are well.

I am in a situation where a friend was involved in a violent fight. Members of his family were attacked and sent to hospital (both parties are Muslims).


Though he has many friends, unfortunately it seems they will not get involved, which leaves me.

The police have already been involved but whatever happens with the legal process, these guys will be trying to attack my friend again - no matter what happens.

I read some where ages ago that Islam loves the one that protects the weak...my friend (and fellow Muslim brother) is not the type to fight so will this apply in such a situation? This basically means getting my hands dirty and spanking anyone that trys to harm him? What does islam say about this?

Their has already been attempts to resolve this in a peaceful way but no joy. Obviously I will continue to negotiate so this is resolved in a halal & peaceful way, however it seems the other party want to do nothing but harm this brother.

I am worried that if I get involved physically I might be creating a wrong impression? I am practising (alhamdulliah) and have a fairly large beard, I don’t want other fellow Muslims to think it is ok to fight, because it is not; but at the same time I want to protect this brother.

Thoughts?

w.s

your brother.

[Te'oma]

My best advice, ask an Imaam

My personal advice if that is impossible, is your friend innocent of wrong doing in this dispute? If he is, then the other side is transgressing and you have every right as well as obligation to intervene. It is best though to try to find a peaceful way to deal with this and maybe getting an Imaam to intervene would be the best solution

[noviolence]

Aslam alikam wrt brk,

I hope my fellow brothers and sisters are well.

I am in a situation where a friend was involved in a violent fight. Members of his family were attacked and sent to hospital (both parties are Muslims).


Though he has many friends, unfortunately it seems they will not get involved, which leaves me.

The police have already been involved but whatever happens with the legal process, these guys will be trying to attack my friend again - no matter what happens.

I read some where ages ago that Islam loves the one that protects the weak...my friend (and fellow Muslim brother) is not the type to fight so will this apply in such a situation? This basically means getting my hands dirty and spanking anyone that trys to harm him? What does islam say about this?

Their has already been attempts to resolve this in a peaceful way but no joy. Obviously I will continue to negotiate so this is resolved in a halal & peaceful way, however it seems the other party want to do nothing but harm this brother.

I am worried that if I get involved physically I might be creating a wrong impression? I am practising (alhamdulliah) and have a fairly large beard, I don’t want other fellow Muslims to think it is ok to fight, because it is not; but at the same time I want to protect this brother.

Thoughts?

w.s

your brother.


i think u should keep negotiating peacefully because voilence is not the answer. try again. islam is a religion of peace and by doing violent acts we are just showing that this religion is one of violence. hope your muslim brother gets well and doesnt get attacked again.

[prashantnew]

Salaam, this is just my opinion...

You need to consider the fact that by becoming physically invovled, are you putting your family at risk?

Being sort of neutral (a non violent party) you an in a decent position to be an intermediate and continue trying to resolve the issue peacefully. If you get drawn into the physical side of things, it would be hard for you to take up the negotiator role again.

Inshallah hope it gets resolved.

[Arsalan]

Hello brother, to understand who is in the right or wrong here.. We need a Video of the street fight. In my opinion both parties are in the wrong. And you need a wise old man or the most respected man in your community to negotiate some sort of deal between the two and seperate these people permanently. Dont get involved yourself, as this will complicate matters. Keep giving nasseehah and as The'oma said ask an Imam. Do not involve the police. Anyways if you can please provide a video for the street fight. Thanks.

[SisterIslam]

If the police are involved please let them take care of the situation. It would be unwise for you to get involved. You may do something that you will regret and go to prison. Advise your friend and abide by the law. Do things the proper way. Don't use violence to resolve violence. This will only lead to more violence and the situation may spiral out of control, with your family ending up being in danger.

[RashidD]

You should avoid fighting with muslims. Try as far as possible to peacefully negotiate.

[the_middle_road]

وَإِنْ طَائِفَتَانِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ اقْتَتَلُوا فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَهُمَا فَإِنْ بَغَتْ إِحْدَاهُمَا عَلَى الأخْرَى فَقَاتِلُوا الَّتِي تَبْغِي حَتَّى تَفِيءَ إِلَى أَمْرِ اللَّهِ فَإِنْ فَاءَتْ فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَهُمَا بِالْعَدْلِ وَأَقْسِطُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَ أَخَوَيْكُمْ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ


If two parties among the Believers fall into a quarrel, make ye peace between them: but if one of them transgresses beyond bounds against the other, then fight ye (all) against the one that transgresses until it complies with the command of Allah; but if it complies, then make peace between them with justice, and be fair: for Allah loves those who are fair (and just).

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood: So make peace and reconciliation between your two (contending) brothers; and fear Allah, that ye may receive Mercy.
(49: 9 - 10)

[iamunregistered]

no,no, I will try and do everything I can to stop anything from happening...but these crowd of peolpe are really messed up...drug dealers, steriod freaks..gangsters / thugs whatever you want to call it.

I do not intend do fight at all...subhanAllah what kind of example would I be setting if I did...but it would be a coward thing to do if I did not protect my friend and dear brother in islam, dont you think?

any tips on how I can get the upper hand with these thugs should I end up fighting?

[sis_sarah]

a couple of m8s and i use to do street fighting 2 protect in the night once upon a tym and we got quite a big rep but thnk god we realised it was soooo wrong!

mutual discussions 2 sort things out is the best way...

[Emelianenko]

Brother first make sure that your friend or his family are not in the wrong in any way and that they are being set upon unjustly etc. Once that is cleared and all other avenues have been pursued to resolve the matter and have failed then do mashwera with experienced elders or brothers and ulema. If it gets to it, sometimes ppl need a dose of their own medicine to bring em down a notch or two.

And no one says you have to teach these guys a lesson in public, if it gets to tht stage which inshaAllah i pray it doesnt....just do what u have to without letting it get public etc.

[Redmist]

I agree with Emilanenko.

I think imams would rarely get involved in these types of problems, and even if a imam is brave enough to get involved whos to say the "enemy" wont clout the imam one or two!

These type of people have no respect for anybody! When their not scared of the Police and respect the law whos to say they gonna listen to an imam.