duas to protect the unborn<<???Q?!?!?!

[zay_1982]

http://www.duas.org/Matrimony/pregnancy_safety.htm <<< is this site reliable please help some one gave it to me,

zay

[ummbilal]

http://www.duas.org/Matrimony/pregnancy_safety.htm <<< is this site reliable please help some one gave it to me,

zay

sister dont do these things, to tie things around you are put things on you is shirk, nothing has power except Allah, make your duas to Allah alone, dont do this talismans thing, its definatly SHIRK.

I know how you can feel you will do anything to help, but this is not the right way, keep making your duas sister,

Allah hears his servants.

[.: Anna :.]

duas.org is that the shia site or not? i kno one dua website with a normal looking name etc.. it is a shia one
so mayb someone cn clarify if it is or isnt.
sis insha allah just keep on making alot of dua sincerely, also insha allah the other ppl who come in this thread ask them 2 remember u in dua

like umm bilal said allah definately will hear ur duas plus He has promised he responds to it, it is one of His names al mujeeb and see this ayah which i put in my sig:
If my servants ask you about Me, I am near. I respond to those who call Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me, so that they may be guided.

:love:

[$HugoBoss$]

duas.org is that the shia site or not? i kno one dua website with a normal looking name etc.. it is a shia one
so mayb someone cn clarify if it is or isnt.
sis insha allah just keep on making alot of dua sincerely, also insha allah the other ppl who come in this thread ask them 2 remember u in dua

like umm bilal said allah definately will hear ur duas plus He has promised he responds to it, it is one of His names al mujeeb and see this ayah which i put in my sig:
If my servants ask you about Me, I am near. I respond to those who call Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me, so that they may be guided.

:love:

It's a shia one, i asked this question quiet a while back and several people clarified that it was.

[zay_1982]

yes sis its from a shia site but i want sure

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=234930208&st=0 site and the dua link was on there/

duas.org is that the shia site or not? i kno one dua website with a normal looking name etc.. it is a shia one
so mayb someone cn clarify if it is or isnt.
sis insha allah just keep on making alot of dua sincerely, also insha allah the other ppl who come in this thread ask them 2 remember u in dua

like umm bilal said allah definately will hear ur duas plus He has promised he responds to it, it is one of His names al mujeeb and see this ayah which i put in my sig:
If my servants ask you about Me, I am near. I respond to those who call Me. So let them respond to Me and believe in Me, so that they may be guided.

:love:

[zay_1982]

on post no 8

[zay_1982]

im not ganna do anything silly but i wanted to find a dua to help inshallah, and give comfort.

i know im bring silly.

[.: Anna :.]

noo sis its not silly, but just keep making dua urself without going to the dubious ones insha allah :love:

[the_middle_road]

sister dont do these things, to tie things around you are put things on you is shirk, nothing has power except Allah, make your duas to Allah alone, dont do this talismans thing, its definatly SHIRK.


Shirk is a dangerous word to be bandied about so casually. You should be careful of what you say, sister. I'm not endorsing this site or anything but the fact remains that certain ayat of the Quran can act as a cure.

Abu Sa'id Khudri (ra) reported that some persons amongst the Companions of Allah's Messenger :saw: set out on a journey and they happened to pass by a tribe from the tribes of Arabia. They demanded hospitality from the members of that tribe, but they did not extend any hospitality to them. They said to them: Is there any incantator amongst you, at the chief of the tribe has been stung by a scorpion? A person amongst us said: 'Yes. So he came to him and he practised incan- tation with the help of Sura al-Fatiha and the person became all right. He was given a flock of sheep (as recompense), but he refused to accept that, saying: I shall make a mention of it to Allah's Apostle :saw:, and if he approves of it. then I shall accept it. So we came to Allah's Apostle :saw: and made a mention of that to him and he (that person) said: Allah's Messenger by Allah, I did not practice incantation but with the help of Sura al-Fatiha of the Holy Book. He (the Holy Prophet) smiled and said: How did you come to know that it can be used (as incantation)? - and then said: Take out of that and allocate a share for me along with your share.
(Sahih Muslim)

The Arabic term here for incantation is "ruqyah." This hadith shows that it is permissible to use ayat as a cure. Now it doesn't say anything specifically about writing ayat down and then wearing them but I think that some 'ulama' do allow this based on such ahadith as the one mentioned above.

And Allah knows best.

[zay_1982]

no sis is right inshallah middle of the road ... cz many people would rely in things like this and forget that allah can only give protection i mean its good to read the ayahs to help give saabr and protection, and to pray over water and drink it, but to read over things and tigh i agree it can lead to other dangerous things like wearing the string which was mention to the toilet now if u think of it thats disrespecting allahs perefect worlds. what happens to the string when ur mission is completed?
it goes away thing about it theres more reward when we read the quran and ask allah, for help inshallah, this makes allah happy we can get nothing just by carrying the quran than we would gain more by reading it and having faith.

so to be on the safe side we should avoid it made sense when sis umm bilal told me this is wrong and she why.

[zay_1982]

im so sorry if i sounded rude im not feeling very well. please do forgive me if i said soemthing that may have upset u inshallah

[the_middle_road]

no sis is right inshallah middle of the road ... cz many people would rely in things like this and forget that allah can only give protection i mean its good to read the ayahs to help give saabr and protection, and to pray over water and drink it, but to read over things and tigh i agree it can lead to other dangerous things like wearing the string which was mention to the toilet now if u think of it thats disrespecting allahs perefect worlds. what happens to the string when ur mission is completed?
it goes away thing about it theres more reward when we read the quran and ask allah, for help inshallah, this makes allah happy we can get nothing just by carrying the quran than we would gain more by reading it and having faith.

so to be on the safe side we should avoid it made sense when sis umm bilal told me this is wrong and she why.

No I'm not upset. :) I just object to calling such things shirk, because clearly it is nothing of the sort. Some 'ulama' allow it, others don't but to say that it is makruh (disliked) is very far from saying that it is shirk. Shirk is the worst sin in the sight of Allah (swt) so we should be careful about saying such things.

[ummbilal]

Shirk is a dangerous word to be bandied about so casually. You should be careful of what you say, sister. I'm not endorsing this site or anything but the fact remains that certain ayat of the Quran can act as a cure.

Abu Sa'id Khudri (ra) reported that some persons amongst the Companions of Allah's Messenger :saw: set out on a journey and they happened to pass by a tribe from the tribes of Arabia. They demanded hospitality from the members of that tribe, but they did not extend any hospitality to them. They said to them: Is there any incantator amongst you, at the chief of the tribe has been stung by a scorpion? A person amongst us said: 'Yes. So he came to him and he practised incan- tation with the help of Sura al-Fatiha and the person became all right. He was given a flock of sheep (as recompense), but he refused to accept that, saying: I shall make a mention of it to Allah's Apostle :saw:, and if he approves of it. then I shall accept it. So we came to Allah's Apostle :saw: and made a mention of that to him and he (that person) said: Allah's Messenger by Allah, I did not practice incantation but with the help of Sura al-Fatiha of the Holy Book. He (the Holy Prophet) smiled and said: How did you come to know that it can be used (as incantation)? - and then said: Take out of that and allocate a share for me along with your share.
(Sahih Muslim)

The Arabic term here for incantation is "ruqyah." This hadith shows that it is permissible to use ayat as a cure. Now it doesn't say anything specifically about writing ayat down and then wearing them but I think that some 'ulama' do allow this based on such ahadith as the one mentioned above.

And Allah knows best.

To tie something round u, read quran on it and blow and expect this piece of string to some how protect u is u giving the power only Allah has to a piece of string,

ie SHIRK, I do not have to be a scholar to know this, its a simple fact,

Allah has Power and Might like nothing else, why would u blow on knots to try to relieve your pains when your Lord has given you this trial and ONLY your Lord can take it away??

Make duas and learn what shirk is inshaallah.

The site the sister posted didnt say use surah al fatiha as an incanation, as the pure words of allah can protect us , we know this, the site advocated all kinds of talismans , writing the quran on paper and wearing it is Shirk, no??

ties string round u is shirk, wearing the "eye" is Shirk..

Only Allah can protect us, not this stuff, tricks of the shaitan, authubilahi mina shaitani rajeem.

[the_middle_road]

, writing the quran on paper and wearing it is Shirk, no??


No, it is not shirk? How could it be shirk if some of the Sahabah (ra) allowed it? Of course, some others among them did not allow it but that doesn't make it shirk, just haram at the worst. Even if you take this view, then there is a big difference between haram and shirk. Haram is that which is forbidden while shirk is associating partners with Allah (swt).


Shaykh Haafiz Hukami said:

If they – i.e., amulets – contain clearly-written Qur’aanic verses or saheeh ahaadeeth, there was some dispute among the salaf – the Sahaabah, the Taabi’een and those who followed them – as to whether they are permissible.

Some of them – i.e., some of the Salaf – said that this was permissible. This was narrated from ‘Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn ‘Ali, and others among the salaf.

Some of them said that this was not allowed; they regarded it is makrooh and not permitted. They include ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Akeem, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr, ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir, and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood and his companions such as al-Aswad and ‘Alqamah, and those who came after them such as Ibraaheem al-Nakha’i and others – may Allaah have mercy on them.


From Islamqa, which is a Salafi website and they are very strict in their rulings: http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=10543&ln=eng&txt=ruqyah

[ummbilal]

i am not a salafi

[the_middle_road]

i am not a salafi

I didn't say you were. I just meant that if even the Salafis don't say that this is shirk, then I don't think there is anyone who does.

[zay_1982]

can u tell me what is halal and did the prophet do it and wheres the hadith to prove it ?

its shirk because u think something else can help u other than allah.
and 2, look at those people who use the quran to make magic if u know what i mean thats haram, isnt it?

[the_middle_road]

can u tell me what is halal and did the prophet do it and wheres the hadith to prove it ?

its shirk because u think something else can help u other than allah.
and 2, look at those people who use the quran to make magic if u know what i mean thats haram, isnt it?

Check the link I posted above. Hopefully it would answer your questions.

If you believe that anything besides Allah (swt) can help you then yes, I think this would fall under the category of shirk. But for example, when a person is sick right, he takes some medicine in order to cure himself. Now is this shirk? No, it is not. One might argue that it is shirk, because he is seeking help from something inanimate, a drug or some such, and not from Allah (swt). But Allah (swt) has imbued certain things with certain qualities; certain medicines cure certain diseases. And it is Allah (swt) who grants these medicines these healing properties. And we are commanded, when we are sick, to seek healing from the things which He has ordained to be a cure for illnesses. So in the same way that seeking treatment from medicine is not shirk, so too is seeking cure from verses of the Holy Quran, not shirk. Because He has ruled that certain verses can be source of healing. See the hadith above for an example of this. I hope that that's clear enough?

[ummbilal]

Talismans in Islam.

Rule: To ascribe any type of supernatural power to other than Allah, or to believe that an object in and of itself can cause harm or good, is pure shirk.

“We say nothing but that (perhaps) some of our gods may have seized you with evil.” He said: “I call Allaah to witness, and do ye bear witness, that I am free from that what you associate (with Allah), besides Him! So scheme (your worst) against me, all of you, and give me no respite. I put my trust in Allaah, My Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has grasp of its fore-lock. Verily, it is my Lord that is on a straight Path.” ( Hood, 11:54-56)

“And should you ask them, ‘Who created the heavens and the earth?’ They would most certainly say: ‘Allaah’. Say: ‘Have you then considered that what you call upon besides Allah, would they, if Allaah desires to afflict me with harm, be the removers of His harm, or (would they), if Allaah desires to show me mercy, be the withholders of His Mercy?’ Say: ‘Allah is sufficient for me; in Him do the reliant put their trust.” (Az-Zumar, 39:38)

Talismans and omens are superstitions in all societies and cultures, they are a manifestation of weakness. People use them to

1. Protect themselves or their children, or animals
2. Cure from sickness
3. Bring good luck
4. Increase love between the spouses.

Or it can be said they are used to bring good, keep good, prevent evil, and lift evil.

Some examples of modern day talismans include a rabbit’s foot, four-leaf clover, horseshoe, etc.

“Surely, incantations, talismans, and tiwalah are shirk.” (Related by At-Tirmidhee, Abu Daawood and others)

Tiwalah was a special type of talisman worn by women that they thought would make their husbands love them more.

It was narrated from ‘Uqbah ibn ‘Aamir al-Juhani that a group came to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (to swear their allegiance (bay’ah) to him). He accepted the bay’ah of nine of them but not of one of them. They said, “O Messenger of Allah, you accepted the bay’ah of nine but not of this one.” He said, “He is wearing an amulet.” The man put his hand (in his shirt) and took it off, then he (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)) accepted his bay’ah. He said, ‘Whoever wears an amulet has committed shirk.” (Narrated by Ahmad, 16969)

The Prophet (saw) would accept Islam from people who drank and committed sins. It is not a prerequisite to give up sins to become Muslims, but for this act it is shirk and thus Islam could not be accepted from such a person.

‘Umraan narrated that the Prophet (saw) saw a man wearing a copper bracelet on his arm and he said to him “Woe to you, what is this?” He replied, “To protect me from weakness (rheumatism).” The Prophet (saw) said, Indeed, this only increases your weakness. Throw it away, for if you die wearing it, you will never attain success. (Reported by Ahmad, by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh, and by Ibn Maajah without “Throw it away” to the end.)

The fact that such a person would never be successful shows that it is shirk.

“Whoever hangs something will be left to it.” (At-Tirmidhi)

‘Abdullah bin Mas’ood once saw his wife wearing a knotted thread around her neck. He pulled at it and broke it, saying, “The family of ‘Abdullah is free of associating anything with Allah for which He has sent no authority. Then he said, “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) say, ‘Incantations, amulets and tiwalah are shirk.’

I said, “Why do you say this? By Allah, my eye was weeping with a discharge and I kept going to so and so, the Jew, who did a spell for me. When he did the spell, it calmed down.” ‘Abdullaah said: “That was just the work of the Shaytaan who was picking it with his hand, and when (the Jew) uttered the spell, he stopped. All you needed to do was to say as the Messenger of Allah (saw) used to say: ‘Adhhib il-ba’s, Rabb al-naas, ishfi anta al-Shaafi, laa shifaa’a illa shifaa’uka shifaa’an laa yughaadiru saqamaa (Remove the harm, O Lord of mankind, and heal, You are the Healer. There is no healing but Your healing, a healing which leaves no disease behind.’” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3883; Ibn Maajah, 3530)

All types of talismans are a manifestation of shirk. The most common of talismans is the cross.

“Whoever puts a talisman on his animal then Muhammad has nothing to do with him.” (Abu Daawood)

What about Quranic Verses?



This cannot be shirk because it is the Speech of Allah, and it is allowed to seek refuge in it. The Quran is uncreated and an Attribute of Allah.



To wear Quranic verses is also not an innovation because it is narrated some Sahabah wore it. The stronger opinion though, is that it is discouraged.



“We used to recite upon our ill and we asked the Prophet (SAS) if we can do that after Islaam. He said, ‘Recite to me what you recite.’ Then he said, ‘There is no problem with it unless it contains shirk.” (Muslim)

“They (the companions of Abdullaah bin Mas’ud (RA)) used to dislike every type of amulet and talisman whether they contained the verse of Qur’aan or anything else.” (Ibraaheem An-Nakha’ee)

Ibn Mas’ood (ra) said, “They used to hate all types of talismans, Quranic ones and non-Quranic ones.”

The Prophet (saw) never did this even though the Quran was written down during his time.

When a person sees someone wearing Quran, they can’t tell if it is Quran or not.

It is disrespectful to wear Quran because you will do things like going to the bathroom.

[the_middle_road]

What about Quranic Verses?

This cannot be shirk because it is the Speech of Allah, and it is allowed to seek refuge in it. The Quran is uncreated and an Attribute of Allah.

To wear Quranic verses is also not an innovation because it is narrated some Sahabah wore it. The stronger opinion though, is that it is discouraged.


Thank you. This is the point I was trying to make all along.

[ummbilal]

Thank you. This is the point I was trying to make all along.

Brother, were we not discussing whether to use a talisman is Shirk?

Did you look at the site the sister quoted?

I think I was wrong to say using Quran is shirk, stafriglah but talismans are definatly shirk and to use the quran in this was is not recommended, i think sometimes the internet makes it hard to communicate clearly.

jazakallah khair for your patience as i seem to have missed your point entirely???

[muhammed_1428]

Just for the record, there are many du'as that both Sunnis and Shi'as use for certain circumstances and situations, so if you want to clarify these du'as then best thing to do is take them to your most truster scholar Inshallah and see the result!

But yeh as Anna said, make sincere Du'a and just ask Allah for exactly what it is you may need and keep the dhikr in your heart Inshallah.

[naima27]

But Allah is the best of guardians; and He is the most merciful of the merciful.
Allah knows what every female bears, and that which the wombs fall short (of completion) and that which they exceed. And every thing with Him is measured.
FALLAAHU KHAYRUN H'AAFIZ'AW WA HUWA ARH'AMUR RAAH'IMEEN
ALLAAHU YA-LAMU MAA TAH'MILU KULLU UNTHAA WA MAA TAGHEEZ'UL ARH'AAMU WA MAA TAZDAAD WA KULLU SHAY-IN I'NDAHOO BIMIQDAAR

[zay_1982]

To tie something round u, read quran on it and blow and expect this piece of string to some how protect u is u giving the power only Allah has to a piece of string,

ie SHIRK, I do not have to be a scholar to know this, its a simple fact,

Allah has Power and Might like nothing else, why would u blow on knots to try to relieve your pains when your Lord has given you this trial and ONLY your Lord can take it away??

Make duas and learn what shirk is inshaallah.

The site the sister posted didnt say use surah al fatiha as an incanation, as the pure words of allah can protect us , we know this, the site advocated all kinds of talismans , writing the quran on paper and wearing it is Shirk, no??

ties string round u is shirk, wearing the "eye" is Shirk..

Only Allah can protect us, not this stuff, tricks of the shaitan, authubilahi mina shaitani rajeem. IM CONFUSED NOW SO CANT U USE THE QURAN AND PRAY OVER THINGS LIKE WATER AND DRINK IT IS THIS SHIRK AS WELL? I KNOW u cant use strings and pray over them and wear it as this is wrong cz we go to dirty places like the toilet, etc... so it becomes wrong i can understand this but as the brother said this....>>>> if some of the Sahabah (ra) allowed it? Of course, some others among them did not allow it but that doesn't make it shirk, just haram at the worst.

why commit haram?

we want the mercy of allah and his protection and help.

why do something haram to again this peace and help?

i might as well suffer inshallah, as my aim is to please my rab he is who gives pain and also gives ease inshallah, there is always a reward for every trial inshallah.


But Allah is the best of guardians; and He is the most merciful of the merciful.
Allah knows what every female bears, and that which the wombs fall short (of completion) and that which they exceed. And every thing with Him is measured.
FALLAAHU KHAYRUN H'AAFIZ'AW WA HUWA ARH'AMUR RAAH'IMEEN
ALLAAHU YA-LAMU MAA TAH'MILU KULLU UNTHAA WA MAA TAGHEEZ'UL ARH'AAMU WA MAA TAZDAAD WA KULLU SHAY-IN I'NDAHOO BIMIQDAAR


jazakallah for this sis means a lot.