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aslaam alaikum
i know of a brother (not practising) who has agreed to be a "godfather" for his best friend's (non-muslim) daughter....now muslims have tried to tell him that islamically this is wrong but he is not having any of it and laughs at the muslims trying to guide him.....doesnt this mean that he is stating in front of allah swt that as this non-muslim's "guardian" he can be held responsbile (partly) for all the sins she will commit when she grows up? like boyfriends, pre-marital sex, or drugs etc etc i mean if she does anything wrong he cant exactly say "no but islam says...." cos her parents and the dtr will probably say get lost......what a scary situation to put yourself in....
what do u guys think? your opinions on this please jazakallah
:wswrwb: :rubeyes: err well hes making an agreement a promise and giving his word and the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said that a muslims word is good and he should stand by his agreement, but does he know that when he gets to the church he is going to have to promise to raise this child as a christian and bring her up with jesus christ as her saviour and lord etc. etc. :S u need to explain to him, he cant be going to a church and being involved in their religious ceremonies, and listening to shirk, and making promises that go against al Islam, and agreeing to raise this child upon shirk which is what he will be doing :rubeyes: audu billah may Allah ta ala guide him and all of us amin.
.: Anna :.
30-11-07, 09:01 AM
Firstly I was under the impression that in order to become a godparent in the christian church you have to be christened yourself. As in to become a godparent in a catholic church you are even supposed to be christened in a catholic church yourself, not in a protestant church?
And secondly part of what they do is promise to help the child to grow up as a Christian...
It's not something which we as Muslims can take part in. I don't think there is any lenience in this.. insha Allah try to keep conveying that to him, but also when he is told he can not do it without being Christened himself, insha allah he would back out at that point (unless there are some church which dont require the god parent to be christened but i have never heard of this)
Firstly I was under the impression that in order to become a godparent in the christian church you have to be christened yourself. As in to become a godparent in a catholic church you are even supposed to be christened in a catholic church yourself, not in a protestant church?And secondly part of what they do is promise to help the child to grow up as a Christian...
It's not something which we as Muslims can take part in. I don't think there is any lenience in this.. insha Allah try to keep conveying that to him, but also when he is told he can not do it without being Christened himself, insha allah he would back out at that point (unless there are some church which dont require the god parent to be christened but i have never heard of this)
yea exactly i forgot about that bit :rubeyes:
aslaam alaikum
i know of a brother (not practising) who has agreed to be a "godfather" for his best friend's (non-muslim) daughter....now muslims have tried to tell him that islamically this is wrong but he is not having any of it and laughs at the muslims trying to guide him.....doesnt this mean that he is stating in front of allah swt that as this non-muslim's "guardian" he can be held responsbile (partly) for all the sins she will commit when she grows up? like boyfriends, pre-marital sex, or drugs etc etc i mean if she does anything wrong he cant exactly say "no but islam says...." cos her parents and the dtr will probably say get lost......what a scary situation to put yourself in....
what do u guys think? your opinions on this please jazakallah
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
.: Anna :.
30-11-07, 09:15 AM
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
There is more too it like me and Asiya said, there are certain "promise" which you have to make in the church.
If thats all there is to it, then no need for him to officially do this but rather he can promise by himself to the parent that if they died, he will take responsibilty of this child, without the religious aspect.
Firstly I was under the impression that in order to become a godparent in the christian church you have to be christened yourself. As in to become a godparent in a catholic church you are even supposed to be christened in a catholic church yourself, not in a protestant church?
And secondly part of what they do is promise to help the child to grow up as a Christian...
It's not something which we as Muslims can take part in. I don't think there is any lenience in this.. insha Allah try to keep conveying that to him, but also when he is told he can not do it without being Christened himself, insha allah he would back out at that point (unless there are some church which dont require the god parent to be christened but i have never heard of this)
u mean he has to become a christian to be a godparent? maybe they have jus sed it to each other verbally? (him and his friend?) i dont think he would go as far as saying
yea exactly i forgot about that bit :rubeyes:
ameen to your duas sis(on your previous post!)
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
thast not the case, u are still agreeing to it, be it in a church or verbally.Also see sis asiya's post.
Sis asiya your first post scared me even more :( but him being a bro im not in a position to sit with him and tell him in detail about why what he is doing is wrong,althoug i have sed he will be repsonbile for her sins and he jus kinda blew it off, inshallah someone steps in :(
There is more too it like me and Asiya said, there are certain "promise" which you have to make in the church.
If thats all there is to it, then no need for him to officially do this but rather he can promise by himself to the parent that if they died, he will take responsibilty of this child, without the religious aspect.
yes but isnt he still agreeing to brign this child up as a christian and then all what sis asiya has said, still applies?
.: Anna :.
30-11-07, 09:21 AM
yes but isnt he still agreeing to brign this child up as a christian and then all what sis asiya has said, still applies?
no i mean he could say to the parents themselves (not in church, not in a christening ceremony) that if the child becomes an orphan he will look after him/her, but not necessarily with a christian upbringing rather in the way he would bring up his own kids (which would be islamic insha allah...) - well if they parents not happy with that they shouldnt ask a muslim to take that responsibility of their child :S
no i mean he could say to the parents themselves (not in church, not in a christening ceremony) that if the child becomes an orphan he will look after him/her, but not necessarily with a christian upbringing rather in the way he would bring up his own kids (which would be islamic insha allah...) - well if they parents not happy with that they shouldnt ask a muslim to take that responsibility of their child :S
true...unfortunately i dont know what conditions they have set but i find it very scary that a muslim would agree to play such a role, its like walking a tightrope....and what about wen u have your own muslim kids and your bringnig another one up as a christian :s
thing is becos at this moment in time he is not practiscing, i.e clubbing, bars ,surrounded by lady "friends"... :rolleyes:....i dont think he would mind bringing her up as a christian :( , may allah swt guide him b4 its to late ameen
makes me shiver
Medievalist
30-11-07, 11:02 AM
Whats wrong with just being her Chacha/Uncle?
Kids nowadays - wanting to be gangsta and godfather and paisan **roll eyes**
Whats wrong with just being her Chacha/Uncle?
Kids nowadays - wanting to be gangsta and godfather and paisan **roll eyes**
if only its that simple...
Pro_Candy
30-11-07, 01:18 PM
No one I know who are 'godparents' of friends children have gone through the church for anything. It's just a thing between friends, an agreement that if something happens to the parents, the friend will take responsibility of the child.
No one I know who are 'godparents' of friends children have gone through the church for anything. It's just a thing between friends, an agreement that if something happens to the parents, the friend will take responsibility of the child.
yes but if the paretns pass away, and your left with that responisibilty then its about alot of things, in the sense that do u just sit back and let them think Isa AS is God? do u let them pray to idols? what do u do becos u agreed to be their guardian i.e. guide them in life?
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
no i mean he could say to the parents themselves (not in church, not in a christening ceremony) that if the child becomes an orphan he will look after him/her, but not necessarily with a christian upbringing rather in the way he would bring up his own kids (which would be islamic insha allah...) - well if they parents not happy with that they shouldnt ask a muslim to take that responsibility of their child :S
No one I know who are 'godparents' of friends children have gone through the church for anything. It's just a thing between friends, an agreement that if something happens to the parents, the friend will take responsibility of the child.
yes but if the paretns pass away, and your left with that responisibilty then its about alot of things, in the sense that do u just sit back and let them think Isa AS is God? do u let them pray to idols? what do u do becos u agreed to be their guardian i.e. guide them in life?
and not only that no court in the western world will hand a child over to someone who is a "god" parent anyway it doesnt mean anything in the law and the childs welfare and who has right of gaurdianship will be sorted out through the courts and just saying i was the "god" parent at some christenig wont give u a leg to stand on . so hes wasting his time anyway u look at it and walking on dangerous ground.. Allahu alam wa audu billah..
peace2u
30-11-07, 06:48 PM
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
:scratch: that's what I thought. My mom's best friend (a muslimah) was me and my sisters god-mother. She was the only person my mom truly trusted us with while growing up because she was very strict in the deen and knew how to teach and care for kids. My mom had no fears of us picking up unislamic ways in her absence.
Peace
hammerofthehuns
01-12-07, 08:33 AM
you are taking godfather literally. All godfather means is that if the child becomes an orphan the godfather takes responsibility of the child. That is perfectly acceptable.
nah bro, a Godparent is responsible 4 making sure the child is raised as a christian should the child be orphaned, how can a muslim promise 2 do this?
:scratch: that's what I thought. My mom's best friend (a muslimah) was me and my sisters god-mother. She was the only person my mom truly trusted us with while growing up because she was very strict in the deen and knew how to teach and care for kids. My mom had no fears of us picking up unislamic ways in her absence.
Peace
yes but the difference is sis, your mum's best friend is a muslim, these parents are not muslim...
nah bro, a Godparent is responsible 4 making sure the child is raised as a christian should the child be orphaned, how can a muslim promise 2 do this?
exactly, i doubt very much they would have picked him if he was practising ,praying 5 times, with a beard etc etc.
They have picked him becos to them, he is the same as them, i.e. goes to pubs,clubs, bars and keeps g/friends (and the rest) and is not into his deen ,the parents agree with his lifestyle, his morals etc etc.
:(
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