Is selling alcohol haram? - complex situation

[Kasim2k7]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

[Raziel]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

:salams brother,

Selling Alcohol is Haram, according to the Quran. and Sunnah, as every Muslim knows.

it is Described as "Shaytans Handiwork" and that we should Abstain from it... in the Quran, and it is Obvious that no Muslim should have to be told that this is Haram and a Major Sin.

Al-Quran, Chapter 5 : Verse 90
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"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. "

with regard to the Situation, It's a Difficult one for the Bro, but He needs to get his Priorities right,

Who deserves more Allegiance, Allah and his Rasul :saw:, or his Parents?

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala says those who Love the Following (including the parents) more than Allah or Striving in his Cause are asking for Destruction, his Aazab to be placed upon them ...

Al-Quran, Chapter 9 : Verse 24
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"Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious."

:jkk:

[Kasim2k7]

Then it is said in other place that Allah sees only the intentions. The brother doesnt intent to sell it but he is lookin for a way out. And Allah knows best. May Allah help him.

[Bint Yusuf]

Ameen.

Leave something for the sake of Allah(sisabililah) then certainly he will replace it with something better...:up:

Where there's a will there's a way.

[salsabeela]

Ameen.

Leave something for the sake of Allah(sisabililah) then certainly he will replace it with something better...:up:

Where there's a will there's a way.

mashaAllah thats beautiful

wasalamu alaikum wa rahmatuLLAH.

and ameen to the du'a

[Tahiyah]

the son should obey ALLAH first. he can bring the daleel to his parents and help them out of this situation, inshaa Allah

if they refuse, he can tell them i choose to obey Allah (swt) over you

may Allah make it easy for the brother

Alcohol is prohibited in the Hadith

The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:

1. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3371.

"Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of evils."

2. In Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3392

"Anything which intoxicates in a large quantity, is prohibited even in a small quantity."

Thus there is no excuse for a nip or a tot.

3. Not only those who drink alcohol are cursed but also those who deal with them directly or indirectly are cursed by Allah.

According to Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3380.

It was reported by Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"God’s curse falls on ten groups of people who deal with alcohol. The one who distills it, the one for whom it has been distilled, the one who drinks it, the one who transports it, the one to who it has been brought, the one whom serves it, the one who sells it, the one who utilizes money from it, the one who buys it and the one who buys it for someone else."

[NEWUZER]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

How can parent's anger be Allah's anger? :rolleyes:

[Mullah_Din]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?


A similiar question was posted to me it the Islamic Times newspaper, UK

Please find my answer below:
(HOPE ITS USEFUL)

http://www.islamictimes.co.uk/content/view/503/25/



Wassalaam Ma'al Ikraam

[Mullah_Din]

They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

This is UNTRUE! This is one of the rare ocassions where the boy can say NO to his parents! I hope it doesn't come to this and the family change business very soon, Insha Allah! Aameen

[the_middle_road]

How can parent's anger be Allah's anger? :rolleyes:

'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al-As (ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Allah's pleasure results from the parent's pleasure, and Allah's displeasure results from the parent's displeasure."
(Related by al-Tirmidhi. ibn Hibban and al-Hakim graded it as Sahih.)

But in this case, I don't think it applies because the parents are involved in something which is clearly haram and which has been condemned in the Quran and Sunnah.

[Mullah_Din]

'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al-As (ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Allah's pleasure results from the parent's pleasure, and Allah's displeasure results from the parent's displeasure."
(Related by al-Tirmidhi. ibn Hibban and al-Hakim graded it as Sahih.)

But in this case, I don't think it applies because the parents are involved in something which is clearly haram and which has been condemned in the Quran and Sunnah.


You're absolutely correct, Middle road!

Wassalaam,

[Kasim2k7]

'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin al-As (ra) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (saw) said: "Allah's pleasure results from the parent's pleasure, and Allah's displeasure results from the parent's displeasure."
(Related by al-Tirmidhi. ibn Hibban and al-Hakim graded it as Sahih.)

But in this case, I don't think it applies because the parents are involved in something which is clearly haram and which has been condemned in the Quran and Sunnah.

i thought that too. your right.

[the_middle_road]

I just remembered this saying: "Laa taa'ah li makhluq fi ma'siyatil Khaliq - There is no obedience to the creation in disobedience to the Creator."

It means that if anyone in creation orders you to do something which entails disobedience to Allah (swt) then you do not have to obey them.

[jazz8000]

Quran saya to stay away from Alcohol so enough said in it however remember that duty to look after parents is quite high up in islam. If we were to be made to bow infront of anyone apart from Allah, it would be our parents so a lot of care needs to be taken,i.e still look at the posibility of staying at home to look after parents however determine how much money is made from these kind of sales and not have anything to do with. Dificult task

[Raziel]

Then it is said in other place that Allah sees only the intentions. The brother doesnt intent to sell it but he is lookin for a way out. And Allah knows best. May Allah help him.

this statement is Incorrect ...

Allah judges Actions by their Intentions ...

Alhumdullila for the Brothers earnestness in trying to find a way out, as this means he recognizes that this is an Act of Evil.



Peace be upon those who seek Guidance!

If the Brother doesn't Intend to sell, how can he be Selling it?

this makes no sense, unless you are implying that his parents are Forcing him to sell under Compulsion, is this the case?

if so then your statement has some validity otherwise not.

If his Intentions are Correct, then he will abstain from doing what Allah Ta'ala has stated as "Shaytans Handiwork" ... and won't sell it, furthermore he will look for a descent Halal job.

it is mentioned in an Authentic Hadith by Rasul :saw: that the following people are Cursed ...

containing the hadith:

Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #2776, Narrated Anas ibn Malik

Allah’s Messenger cursed ten people in connection with wine:

1. the wine-presser,
2. the one who has it pressed,
3. the one who drinks it,
4. the one who conveys it,
5. the one to whom it is conveyed,
6. the one who serves it,
7. the one who sells it,
8. the one who benefits from the price paid for it,
9. the one who buys it,
10. and the one for whom it is bought.

again ...

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 449:

Narrated 'Aisha: (ra)

"When the verses of Surat "Al-Baqara"' about the usury Riba were revealed, the Prophet went to the mosque and recited them in front of the people and then banned the trade of alcohol."

again ...

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 34, Number 429:

Narrated 'Aisha:

When the last verses of Surat-al-Baqara were revealed, the Prophet went out (of his house to the Mosque) and said, "The trade of alcohol has become illegal."

there is not a Shred of Doubt that selling of Alcoholic drinks is Haram and Banned by Rasul :saw: and a Grave Sin.

those who Oppose the command of Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala and his Rasul :saw: when it has been made clear to them are Fasiqs/Perverted Transgressors as mentioned in the Quran, such people cannot claim that their Intentions are correct.

:jkk:

[Raziel]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

Parents are Created beings just like you and me who are Destined to Die, therefore they're anger is not Allah Ta'ala's anger,

No Attribute or action of Allah can be compared to a Mortal.

whoever told you that you aught to Obey Parents when they Oppose Allah Ta'ala and his Rasul :saw: has Lied.

It is Stated Explicit Terms, that when Parents commit Kufr, disobey the Command of Allah and his Rasul :saw: you should Reject those specific commands.

the Order of Allegiance in Islam is as Follows...

1. Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala (The Creator of Everything in Existence)

2. Rasulullah :saw: (The Messenger of Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala sent to Guide and Instruct Mankind)

3. Parents

those Parents who Knowingly Oppose the command of Allah and his Rasul :saw: are Fasiqs.

Lastly your statement above is Absurd, Have You even Read the Quran to See just a Taste of what the Ghadab/Wrath of Allah is against Evil-Mongers?

the anger of Parents is nothing compared to that of Allah, and the Fire of Jahannam/Hell prepared for Evil-Mongers, is fiercer than any Punishment Parents can give to their Children.

:jkk:

[RashidD]

Parents are Created beings just like you and me who are Destined to Die, therefore they're anger is not Allah Ta'ala's anger


The hadith used was posted above but does not apply i guess due to the principle that there is no obediance to the creation (makhlooq) when it is in disobediance to The Creator (Al-Khaaliq).

[Rehmat]

Manufacturing, selling, advertising, consuming, serving or making a living on a haram item or its by-products - is Haram. It's just a matter of common sense. There is no need to distort Qur'anic commands to serve one's needs. If a Muslim wants to make it a business - he/she should go ahead and do it without making lame excuses.

[Rosalie-Beauty]

Without question its haram to sell alcohol. The son should get the Quaranic verse or the hadith and show it to the parents and ask them if they still wish to defy that. Also (not to be morose) but a business wont prosper if the people running it are knowingly selling haram products.

[MG]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

i know a guy who owns a shop and sells alcohol cos its big money - oh and he is a chairman of the islamic party at his masjid *sigh*

[Abu Mu'adh]

there's no obedience to parents in disobedience to Allah.

If the son is living at home with his parents and they are providing for him, then he should realise that everything he eats drinks wears is purchased through haram money, scary thought.

[Kasim2k7]

Lets suppose he talks to his parents about this. And his parents take this in a vile way and tell him that we bought you up and everything and you do this to us today. What about the huqooq of the parents?

[the saint]

:salams brother,

Selling Alcohol is Haram, according to the Quran. and Sunnah, as every Muslim knows.

it is Described as "Shaytans Handiwork" and that we should Abstain from it... in the Quran, and it is Obvious that no Muslim should have to be told that this is Haram and a Major Sin.

Al-Quran, Chapter 5 : Verse 90
------------------------------
"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. "

with regard to the Situation, It's a Difficult one for the Bro, but He needs to get his Priorities right,

Who deserves more Allegiance, Allah and his Rasul :saw:, or his Parents?

Allah Subhanahu Wata'ala says those who Love the Following (including the parents) more than Allah or Striving in his Cause are asking for Destruction, his Aazab to be placed upon them ...

Al-Quran, Chapter 9 : Verse 24
-------------------------------
"Say: If it be that your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your mates, or your kindred; the wealth that ye have gained; the commerce in which ye fear a decline: or the dwellings in which ye delight - are dearer to you than Allah, or His Messenger, or the striving in His cause;- then wait until Allah brings about His decision: and Allah guides not the rebellious."

:jkk:

:salams

Good, sound advice, Bro. Although, depending upon how strong the brother is, it is still a difficult choice. Let us pray Allah SWT blesses him with courage and guidance!

[LondonCalling]

He is in a tough position, that is for sure - but selling it is prohibited as it is haram and that's how he's going to have to deal with it.

[ummbilal]

its haram to sell alcohol, you have to obay them except when they ask u to do something haram, the son is in the right and the parents are wrong,

[Kasim2k7]

Thats the thing. The parents dont even encourage him that 'okay son your doing good finding halal job' but they instead threaten him n his wife to throw them out. This is so bad. I feel sorry for him

[Ar-Raya]

Who is Higher? Allah or the man's parents?

Obey the Higher of the two.
There are people in this world that are willing to sell the Akhira for a few small coins.
May Allah ta'ala make things easy for him.

The son doesn't have to leave the home...Unless the conditions of him staying are that he must work in the business.

[naima27]

The following is narrated by Abdullah ibn Masud by way of Abu Amr ash-Shaybani:
I asked the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, which action Allah loves best. He replied, "Prayer at its proper time." I asked, "Then what?" He said, "Then beautiful conduct to parents." I asked, "Then what?" He replied, "Then jihad in the Way of Allah." He told me about these things. If I had asked him to tell me more, he would have told me more.
This report is similar to what has been mentioned in 6:151 above: beautiful conduct to parents is second only to worship of Allah SWT as an obligation on Muslims.

[Asmara]

The son should take all the bottles/cans of alcohol from the shelves himself. He should take matters into his own hands, because you're supposed to correct things with your hands first and then your tongue.....

[ummbilal]

The son should take all the bottles/cans of alcohol from the shelves himself. He should take matters into his own hands, because you're supposed to correct things with your hands first and then your tongue.....

That is true, i didnt realise he was an adult married man, in that case he should make the business halal himself inshaallah.

[feroz@aconite.c]

The principal is simple, there is no obedience of makhlooq (creation) if it be in disobedience to the khaaliq (Creator)

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[velvet]

There's no way around it. He'll have to convince his parents somehow. Drastic measures required I think!

[AbuMubarak]

There is a muslim family running a store with alcohol in it to sell. The son dont want to sell it and he wants to change business. But the parents dont want to. They keep saying we will change it but they dont. The son tells them i will leave the home and that upsets the parents. They get angry. At one side its alcohol and at the other its parents anger which is Allahs anger. What should the son do?

Allah says obey your parents UNTIL they tell you to disobey Allah,then still treat them with honor but DO NOT obey them

[Noor_Usman]

Asalamalikum.

As many have said- it is haram to be involved in the making, purchasing, drinking or selling of alcohol.

There is no way 'around' this you just have to get out of the position where you are involved with it and in this case it means the brother will either have to convince his family it's wrong (fairly quickly) or he should get another job.

Surely if he is a true believer then even if he is anxious he should still realise that as he is doing something for Allah (because Allah has preferred that action) then he will be taken care of.

[Sabz42]

Salaam, selling alcohol under any circumstances is haram no matter wat and if the son is eating off the earning from the shop everythin u buy from that money is haram.

[Kasim2k7]

But if you make a niyah that ok inshallah i will slowly convert my business into halal and Allah creates Asbaab.

[sajid]

one thing which i saw very :S somewhere was a shop called

"Ahmed Liquour Store" :|

[GuCcI]

one thing which i saw very :S somewhere was a shop called

"Ahmed Liquour Store" :|

sad lol

[Kasim2k7]

one thing which i saw very :S somewhere was a shop called

"Ahmed Liquour Store" :|

That is bad

[Kasim2k7]

I was listening to the lecture and in which the speaker said that three things go with you to your grave. One is your respect, your name and fame and second is your family, your parents brothers sisters for YOU was earning money. The money will leave and the family will go away after burying you in the grave. The third thing that really goes with you to the end are your deeds which will help you at every step. We have made our family best friends but not our deeds.
This boy's family is not islamic at all and they like to live in their own world with their business and all that. So if the boy even talks about getting seperate or having his own job, the parents either be angry or emotionally blackmail him. He finds it really hard.
The parents think that they only got their family and thats it. They dont think about the grave, fearing Allah and the hereafter. May Allah do best for this boy because he is the right person in the wrong place. And Allah knows best.

[LastFriday]

one thing which i saw very :S somewhere was a shop called

"Ahmed Liquour Store" :|

Thats sickening!

[$HugoBoss$]

If drinking it is haram than selling it is also, i think it's dirty to make money by selling something haram and making profit out of it :nono:

[Kasim2k7]

True plus there is no Barakah in the house.

[icarrim]

Liquor,wine ,brandy,whisky etc are all alcoholic drinks and they are " sharaab" and hence haram. But what about alcohol itself ?

[Raziel]

The hadith used was posted above but does not apply i guess due to the principle that there is no obediance to the creation (makhlooq) when it is in disobediance to The Creator (Al-Khaaliq).

ditto, this is clear from the Quran which makes it plain ...

:jkk:

[Raziel]

Liquor,wine ,brandy,whisky etc are all alcoholic drinks and they are " sharaab" and hence haram. But what about alcohol itself ?

Akhi they are Khamr, that is why it is Haram, not because its Sharab, which merely means a drink, it may or may not be alcoholic ...

Brandy, Wisky, Larger etc are all Alcoholic drinks , they are Intoxicants and because Alcohol itself is an Intoxicant used in these drinks (Khamr) it is Haram ...

:jkk:

[1 Level]

plenty of halal ways to make money alcohol is a no no but sadly profit margins affect ppl's decisions.

[mgilani]

In the U.S, esp. in Calif. Most Aga Khanis here own these stores. They have dough coming outta their rears. I guess the margin is pretty hefty. iremember a client who wired like 20K in Zakat from their biz selling booze.
The thing is , one cannot say ok we will stop one day. It doesnt work like that. reminds we of my friend: he used to say" how come your people can sell booze and even drink it but would never eat pork"?
Its like who draws the line and based on what? Hypocracy can be wondurful for some I guess.......................................

[LastFriday]

What if you run a plant which makes Cleaning Alcohol for laboratories. Simply 100% Alcohol which is filtered, mixed with other chemicals then packaged into spray bottles to be used in science labs, mechanic shops, and medical areas.

[Cartman]

What if you run a plant which makes Cleaning Alcohol for laboratories. Simply 100% Alcohol which is filtered, mixed with other chemicals then packaged into spray bottles to be used in science labs, mechanic shops, and medical areas.

thats not going to be used for haram purposes, and is not the same type of alcohol.

the cleaning alcohol is isopropyl alcohol which is not drunk while the drink alcohol that is used for drink is ethanol

[LastFriday]

thats not going to be used for haram purposes, and is not the same type of alcohol.

the cleaning alcohol is isopropyl alcohol which is not drunk while the drink alcohol that is used for drink is ethanol

r U sure!??? some of that stuff tasted....li...:outta:

I KEED!

[Cartman]

r U sure!??? some of that stuff tasted....li...:outta:

I KEED!

yeah, im sure, alcohol in chemistry is a pretty generic term, but in the quran it talks about any intoxicants....so

[Raziel]

What if you run a plant which makes Cleaning Alcohol for laboratories. Simply 100% Alcohol which is filtered, mixed with other chemicals then packaged into spray bottles to be used in science labs, mechanic shops, and medical areas.

Akhi we need someone who knows about Alcohol to tell us if the Cleaning fluids are the same Intoxicants used in drinks like Beer, Wine etc ... ie it gives you a kick, messes with your mind etc ...

Alcohol is Forbidden because it intoxicates the drinker ...

if the Alcohol used is not an Intoxicant, ie not drinkable and does not cause Intoxication then it May be Permissible for cleaning purposes, but don't take my opinion as this requires someone who can post a daleel/Evidence/Burhan, not personal Opinions ...

I also wanted ask ...

Most Shampoos contain Benzyine and Cetyl Alcohol or some other type of Alcohol, are these Intoxicants ?

any answers with evidence from brothers and sisters knowledgeable in Chemistry or otherwise would be most appreciated ...

:jkk:

[Fitnah Bolice]

A new shop opened in my locality, at the back they have a 'halal' meat counter but at the front of the shop they sell alcohol.

Why would you do such a thing?

[Cartman]

Akhi we need someone who knows about Alcohol to tell us if the Cleaning fluids are the same Intoxicants used in drinks like Beer, Wine etc ... ie it gives you a kick, messes with your mind etc ...

Alcohol is Forbidden because it intoxicates the drinker ...

if the Alcohol used is not an Intoxicant, ie not drinkable and does not cause Intoxication then it May be Permissible for cleaning purposes, but don't take my opinion as this requires someone who can post a daleel/Evidence/Burhan, not personal Opinions ...

I also wanted ask ...

Most Shampoos contain Benzyine and Cetyl Alcohol or some other type of Alcohol, are these Intoxicants ?

any answers with evidence from brothers and sisters knowledgeable in Chemistry or otherwise would be most appreciated ...

:jkk:


they are not just intoxicants, but they are a sure death, because they are so strong and so pure, so no one would be dumb enough to drink them lest they want to be in a morgue by the end of the day ..

[Strict2TheSunna]

Didn't read the thread but,

There is no obedience to the creation when it comes to disobiedance to the Creator, even parents.

Leave the job, this is haram.

[Raziel]

they are not just intoxicants, but they are a sure death, because they are so strong and so pure, so no one would be dumb enough to drink them lest they want to be in a morgue by the end of the day ..

:jkk: AKhi is that the same stuff in a weaker form which is put in Alcoholic drinks? :scratch:

I just wanna make sure it doesn't fall into the category of Intoxicants which the Quran bans.

[Cartman]

:jkk: AKhi is that the same stuff in a weaker form which is put in Alcoholic drinks? :scratch:

I just wanna make sure it doesn't fall into the category of Intoxicants which the Quran bans.

no, the stuff they put in alcohol is ethanol

[Kasim2k7]

What is ethanol anyway?

[tanz]

ive seen it with my own eyes wot haraam money does to a family...trust me its not nice!
better off without the buisness than a buisness fuelled by haraam money.

[Cartman]

What is ethanol anyway?

its a type of alcohol

[Treasured Soul]

ive seen it with my own eyes wot haraam money does to a family...trust me its not nice!better off without the buisness than a buisness fuelled by haraam money.

I agree ...

I've lived it, of course not out of choice ... and its not worth it!!!