Muslims in The Army!!!!!

[Brother Hamza]

Salaam EveryOne

I was wondering has the war is in a Muslim Country and the main religion there is Islam. There are also Muslims In the Army. What does islam say about that?

[DeRayeMustafa]

But I do believe that we are allowed to fight a believer if he be an oppressor, but with the current situation its kinda hard to distinguish the tyrant. Like I've said and thought since this whole thing started, no one is saying that Saddam is Fred Rogers, but the way my government is going about this is wrong and bad. Everyone continually talks about how Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and of how he continually disobeyed guidelines, but the arguement that we are forgetting about is, why did the focus shift towards Hussein in the first place. One minute its a war on "terrorism" and Al-Qa'ida, the next we're preparing to attack Iraq. I feel like I missed something in between September 11th and plans for another Iraq war. Anyways, if our brother is in the wrong we are to try to correct his wrong with our hand. If we aren't able to do that then do so with our tongue. If not then, within' our hearts we should know that we tried. Remember, don't quote me, but this is how I understood it.

Assalaamua Alaikum wa Rahmatullah wa Barakatuh

[GLK17]

Originally posted by DeRayeMustafa
...Everyone continually talks about how Saddam has weapons of mass destruction and of how he continually disobeyed guidelines, but the arguement that we are forgetting about is, why did the focus shift towards Hussein in the first place. One minute its a war on "terrorism" and Al-Qa'ida, the next we're preparing to attack Iraq...




Very simple.

We can not afford to let Saddam's weapons fall into the hands
of terrorists, like the 19 **** that perpetrated the acts of 9/11.

If we duck our heads into the sand, we will be committing suicide.

[AnnaMarie]

thats an interesting question.My borther is serving in the Marines and one of his friends in his unit is Muslim.

[Raven]

This post begs an interesting question...

To those who pray for the deaths of Americans, do you also pray for the deaths of people who are Muslim and American?

[AbuMubarak]

raven, the fact that america has taken upon itself to declare war against muslims establishes how muslims should view america

the fact that muslims live in america shouldnt change that

the fact that many muslims countries are also aiding america in its war upon muslims shows how these muslim countries are also as guilty of killing muslims as america is

the world has changed, it did in 1991 and that has been confirmed by the actions that america has chosen to take now

one of the reasons usamah stated why his attacks against america were retalitory were based upon america attacking muslims first, then aiding israel in its attack against muslims, and finally in america's presence and support of tyrannical governments that oppress muslims

americas feel he attacked because "he hates our freedoms", when in reality it was because usamah feels that america has thrown the first punch

time will tell

[Raven]

Originally posted by Raafi
raven, the fact that america has taken upon itself to declare war against muslims establishes how muslims should view america

the fact that muslims live in america shouldnt change that

the fact that many muslims countries are also aiding america in its war upon muslims shows how these muslim countries are also as guilty of killing muslims as america is

the world has changed, it did in 1991 and that has been confirmed by the actions that america has chosen to take now

one of the reasons usamah stated why his attacks against america were retalitory were based upon america attacking muslims first, then aiding israel in its attack against muslims, and finally in america's presence and support of tyrannical governments that oppress muslims

americas feel he attacked because "he hates our freedoms", when in reality it was because usamah feels that america has thrown the first punch

time will tell

That being said, people can hate America all they wish. Hating Americans, however, is a bit different. So is chanting "Death to America" vs. "Death to Americans."

So the question still remains. If a Muslims wants to see Americans dead, do they wish the same fate upon American Muslims? I guess the question could apply to both civilian and military personnel.

[TheGeneral]

We have no concern with your civilians - but we cannot ignore your military/government and the crusade against Islam!

This is very true "the world has changed, it did in 1991 and that has been confirmed by the actions that america has chosen to take now

one of the reasons usamah stated why his attacks against america were retalitory were based upon america attacking muslims first, then aiding israel in its attack against muslims, and finally in america's presence and support of tyrannical governments that oppress muslims

americas feel he attacked because "he hates our freedoms", when in reality it was because usamah feels that america has thrown the first punch

time will tell"

[Bilal]

There are Muslims in the Israeli army, so should we pray for him to kill us? Do you know that the Muslims in the Israeli army worse than the Jews, because they should prove that they love Israel?

Originally posted by Raven
This post begs an interesting question...

To those who pray for the deaths of Americans, do you also pray for the deaths of people who are Muslim and American?

[TheGeneral]

Muslims in Israeli army? hmmm havent heard that one before bro - if its true they may as well be regarded as Munafiqs.

[Raven]

Originally posted by Bilal
There are Muslims in the Israeli army, so should we pray for him to kill us? Do you know that the Muslims in the Israeli army worse than the Jews, because they should prove that they love Israel?

To be honest I didn't even know there were Muslims in the Israeli army. I must admit I'm a bit surprised. Are there many? When people talk about their hatred toward Israel, they often mention their hatred towards Jews. Sometimes inadvertent (i.e. forgetting that not all Jews are Israeli), sometimes not. I wonder if they're aware of the fact that there are some Muslims there.

As far as praying for people to die, I'd hope that people don't do that. I am, however, wrong. Some people do. So that's where the question comes from. For the people who want to see dead Americans, does that include dead American Muslims?

As far as the hating freedoms part (in Raafi's post), I sort of disagree. From what I've seen on here, people see the freedoms/liberties in the US as kufr, so they hate the laws of the US. I doubt, however, that they'd want to kill just because they hate that part about the US.

[AbuMubarak]

raven

i seriously doubt any muslim anywhere in the world hates america because of the freedoms (ie immorality) thats your business

we dont care if you are statue worshipping pagans, who have the best democracy and fornicate with sheep and monkeys

its when america invades and attacks and kills muslims, its when america protects the oppressors of muslims (esp if these oppressors are muslim leaders) this is what ****es muslims off

so you can have your democracy and debauchry, just leave islam and the muslims alone

the problem with that is the oil is under muslim lands, and american capitalism wont let it go away, so they stay and support and defend and dictate to muslim leaders and the muslim leaders, bow, and prostrate and kiss, to the detriment of their own people

[Muawiyah1]

Originally posted by Raven
This post begs an interesting question...

To those who pray for the deaths of Americans, do you also pray for the deaths of people who are Muslim and American?
Those so called Muslims who join the US army, are regarded as apostates and heretics according to the teachings of Islam. YEs we ask for their elimination and death also. May God destroy and perish them and those hypocrite American Muslims who take it pride to support the aggression of the Evil JewNited Snakes of America.

[Bilal]

They are few thousands iof Muslims from ‘’the Bedouin ‘’ and ‘’Chechanian origin’’ …….

There are group of people called Doruz , they consider themselves as Muslims, but we do believe they are not Muslims.
Also few thousand of Lebanese Christian from what called ‘’south Lebanon army’’ they run away after the Liberation of South Lebanon.

Israel use those minorities in its dirty crimes , to blame them later , as they did in Sabra and Shatila massacre (Lebanon 1982) when they blamed their alliance from the Christian Lebanese

[AnnaMarie]

ok a few more questions........



There are thousands of muslims lving in the USA......so are they considered guilry by asociation????


And what if the American army ...a few years from now was going into Isreal to fight the Isreali army for the Palestinians...would it than be okay for a Muslim to join????

[Muawiyah1]

AnneMarie if those Muslims declare that they support your stupid president and his policy and give alWala and Baraah to the gang of ugly villians that run your country from Washington, then know that by Islamic teachings, they are apostates and heretics from the Islam. They are losers both in this world and in the hereafter. We see them in an equal footage with those American marine pigs that are carrying out enemity on Islam and Muslims in Arabia, Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq.
the rest of American Muslims who donot fall into that category are our brothers and sisters and just as we want all happiness and prosperity to the good hearted and peace loving amongst the non muslim Americans, similarly we want the same for this type of Muslims.

[pooya]

there are muslims in the israeli army , the so called "israeli arabs" , as well as the druize that bilal mentioned( the druize are a sect which is gnostic in origin. as he mentioned, they would call themselves muslim, but most muslims would probably disagree with that-their theology is very secret.)

it also is worth mentioning that many in the iraqi army are not muslims, but christian.

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by AnnaMarie
ok a few more questions........



There are thousands of muslims lving in the USA......so are they considered guilry by asociation????


And what if the American army ...a few years from now was going into Isreal to fight the Isreali army for the Palestinians...would it than be okay for a Muslim to join???? that would be interesting

a muslim in the american army, fighting alongside the jews, against muslims

man o man, that would have to be some spiritual conflict going on inside of his head

as far as i am concerned, he is not different than his fellow military men

[mohabdul]

Here is answer to the question that was put forth to Dr. `Ali Jum`ah Muhammad. ( http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/Guestcv.asp?hGuestID=bL85YX)




Name Fahd -
Profession
Question Can a Muslim American soldier participate in the prospect American war on Iraq? If yes, what are the limits? If not, then why? Please furnish me with evidences.
Answer In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

"It is not permissible for a Muslim American soldier to participate in the prospect American war on Iraq.

Almighty Allah says: “ It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.” (An-Nisa': 91)

If a Muslim is compelled and forced to go there he must not participate in fighting even if he is killed for this."

Allah Almighty knows best.

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by Raven
That being said, people can hate America all they wish. Hating Americans, however, is a bit different. So is chanting "Death to America" vs. "Death to Americans."

So the question still remains. If a Muslims wants to see Americans dead, do they wish the same fate upon American Muslims? I guess the question could apply to both civilian and military personnel. from what i see raven, is that americans are busy rallying around their president and supporting their boys overseas, as they bomb and kill

where does the muslim separate between america and its citizens?

where is america separating between saddam and iraqis? bombs dont segregate (yeah i know smart bombs do) but the explosion cannot be controlled, no matter what type of hocus pocus you use

[pooya]

one thing that is being overlooked ... sadaam has killed more muslims in the past 20 years than anyone else. sadaam should've been a "crusader".

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by pooya
one thing that is being overlooked ... sadaam has killed more muslims in the past 20 years than anyone else. sadaam should've been a "crusader". muslims have historically killed more muslims than the christians, and that is a sad truth

but that does not give kafir bush a license to step in, not at all

[b!ttersweet]

does ne1 hav sites or info abt how muslims cud go to fight in the war on the iraqi side even tho they dunt live in iraq?

[peace2u]

:confused: why would you need a site for that???

[abdulhakeem]

Question:


I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war.
What should I do?
What is the ruling if I go…?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’, i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them”[al-Maa’idah 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters – unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da’wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

Islam Q&A
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[abdulhakeem]

Question:


Please tell me about the ruling on one who works for the army, which is the source of his provision, but the military system and laws oblige him to shave his beard and some of them have to respect others, as the foreigners do. We have to greet others in a manner different from that enjoined upon us by Allaah and His Messenger, we have to salute the flag and we are governed by and have to refer differences amongst ourselves to laws other than those of Allaah (military law). If I fight to defend my country, but it is not under the banner of Laa ilaah ill-Allaah Muhammad Rasool Allaah [There is no god but Allaah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah], and by the will of Allaah I am killed, what is the ruling on me according to the Qur’aan and Sunnah?
Can I fight with an intention that is different to that of the army in whose ranks I am fighting? If I do the things mentioned above so as to avoid any negative consequences, am I sinning by doing that? Can a Muslim work in the army with the intention of learning fighting skills which he cannot learn anywhere else under current circumstances?
Please tell me about obedience to parents in this matter, when points of view differ in a case where the parents do not follow the Qur’aan and Sunnah, but they follow the traditions of society and whatever people are agreed upon. They think that religion is just prayer and fasting, and that anything beyond that is extremism. May Allaah help you to do that which pleases Him, correct your mistakes and protect you.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: it is haraam to shave the beard; it is obligatory (waajib) to leave it to grow.

Secondly: it is not permissible to salute the flag.

Thirdly: it is obligatory (waajib) to govern by the sharee’ah of Islam, and to refer to it for judgement. It is not permissible for a Muslim to greet colleagues or superiors with the greeting of the foreigners, because of the reports which state that it is forbidden to imitate them and because this represents exaggerated respect for them.

Fourthly: Whoever fights to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, is fighting for the sake of Allaah, and if he is killed he is a shaheed (martyr). What counts is the aim and intention. You can have an intention which is different from the intention of the army, such as intending to make the word of Allaah supreme in your jihaad (so long as it is permissible, according to sharee’ah, to fight the group against whom you are fighting), even if others have different intentions, such as fighting for their country.

Fifthly: it is obligatory (waajib) to obey your parents so long as this does not entail disobeying Allaah, because there should be no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience of the Creator.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 12/22 (www.islam-qa.com)

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[abdulhakeem]

Question:


What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition?
And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, may Allaah preserve him, who answered as follows:

“Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed.”

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa’iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

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[abdulhakeem]

Question:


What is the ruling on working as a doctor in the army of the kuffaar who are not in a state of war with the Muslims?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, may Allaah preserve him, with whom we had a conversation which is summarized below:

Shaykh: “Is this so that he may gain experience, or what?”

- “He is a doctor who is treating their sick, but they are not in a state of war.”

Shaykh: “And they are not at war with the Muslims?”

- “It is possible that they may be at war with the Muslims in the future.”

Shaykh: “We do not give the future precedence over the present (i.e., we do not count on that or take it into consideration).”

- “This questioner says, 'I work in a place where the soldiers are not fighting the Muslims. But it is possible that some of the army may be fighting them in other places, and it is possible that we may be involved in such fighting in the future, but the military bases where I work now are not involved in fighting against the Muslims.’”

Shaykh: “But is this nation (in which this army is) one of those who are fighting the Muslims?”

- “The questioner is working for the American army, he is a Muslim working in America.”

Shaykh: “Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity.’ [al-Mumtahinah 60:8].”

- “And what if they are not driving us out of our homes, but they are helping others to do so, as mentioned in the next aayah?”

Shaykh: “ ‘It is only as regards those who fought you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allaah forbids you to befriend them…’ [al-Mumtahinah 60:9 – interpretation of the meaning].”

- “So if it is clear to him that these people are helping to drive us out of our homes, for example, would working for them for a salary come under the just and kind treatment mentioned in the aayah?”

Shaykh: “No doubt it does come under that heading.”

- “Even if you are working for money and not as a volunteer?”

Shaykh: “Yes, but they are benefitting from it.”

- “So how may we sum up your answer?”

Shaykh: “This is not permissible unless the nation in whose army he is working is not fighting the Muslims.”

- “And not driving them out of their homes or helping others to do so?”

Shaykh: “Yes.”

And Allaah knows best.

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[kahlil2112]

Whoever fights to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, is fighting for the sake of Allaah

Saddam is the enemy, and is no Muslim. The west is fighting to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, just like they did in Bosnia and Kosovo. America will restore the ownership of Iraq to true Muslims.

You refer to the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, as if he is the sole authority of Islam. I am also able to read the holy Quran, and don't need the advice of the imam to understan what is said. This is written in the holy Quran.

Your confusion on shaving of a beard is a perfect example of how you ignore the Quran and base your knowledge of Islam on the teachings and writings of others. Allah has presented his will to you in one book only. Everything else is the opinion or interpretation of man.

And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.

And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allâh. Verily, those who invent lies against Allâh will never prosper.

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by kahlil2112
Saddam is the enemy, and is no Muslim. The west is fighting to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, just like they did in Bosnia and Kosovo. America will restore the ownership of Iraq to true Muslims.

You refer to the opinion of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, as if he is the sole authority of Islam. I am also able to read the holy Quran, and don't need the advice of the imam to understan what is said. This is written in the holy Quran.

Your confusion on shaving of a beard is a perfect example of how you ignore the Quran and base your knowledge of Islam on the teachings and writings of others. Allah has presented his will to you in one book only. Everything else is the opinion or interpretation of man.

And if you obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie.

And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allâh. Verily, those who invent lies against Allâh will never prosper. khalil, submittor ideology is not from islam, but a clear form of kufr

you cannot separate the messenger of Allah from Islam, that is kufr

the quran is our foundation, our basis, it is not all,

Allah sent down a book and gave us a messenger, we are not to accept the book and reject the messenger

please do not post anything of this nature again

also your twisting of the meanings of ayats is an evil deed

do not follow those who reject Allah, thats the meaning of the ayat, not to be interpreted to mean muslims, because this ummah will never unify on haram

and if you dispute with one scholars opinion, please present an opposing view based upon quran and sunnah, and not your individual thinking which appears to reject the sunnah of the messenger of Allah

[kahlil2112]

the quran is our foundation, our basis, it is not all,

Allah did not deliver the Sunnah or the Hadith to the Prophet. Allah's words and will were delivered to us, by the Prophet, in the Quran.

The Sunnah gives us insight through the actions of the Prophet, but it is not the word of Allah. As the People of the Book have manipulated the words and meanings of their book, so also do we when we refuse to recognize fact.

I do not intend to discount or lessen the importance of the Sunnah or Hadith, but they are not the Quran.

Many focus on trivial things, like the growing or shaving of a beard. I have yet to see this in the Quran. They turn to a scholar, who is still a man, for opinion of what Allah's law is. This is no better than Christians turning to their Pope for opinion.

Allah has made his will known to us all through the Prophet and his holy book.

You may call what I say kufr, but you do not justify your argument. You explain what "is meant" by the Quran. Allah clearly says that all may understand his word.

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by kahlil2112


Many focus on trivial things, like the growing or shaving of a beard. I have yet to see this in the Quran. They turn to a scholar, who is still a man, for opinion of what Allah's law is. This is no better than Christians turning to their Pope for opinion.

Allah has made his will known to us all through the Prophet and his holy book.

You may call what I say kufr, but you do not justify your argument. You explain what "is meant" by the Quran. Allah clearly says that all may understand his word. first off, our prophet was not a trivial man and did delve into trivial matters

if the prophet said wear a beard, its not for you to decide its trivial

secondly, Allah speaks of following those with knowledge, who are men, but we are to base our obedience or disobedience to scholars upon sound proofs from quran and sunnah, so its not like the christians where we allow reformers to change islam and lead us astray

does the pope even know the entire bible by heart? does have have 100,000 hadiths committed to memory with proper isnad?

it is kufr to reject the messenger of Allah, and to deny authentic hadith is to deny the messenger of Allah

[kahlil2112]

first off, our prophet was not a trivial man and did delve into trivial matters
On this we agree

if the prophet said wear a beard, its not for you to decide its trivial
But you see, the issue is that these words are delivered to us not by the Prophet, but from others. Others have recorded "what the prophet has said" Why did Allah not include it in the Quran if it was so critical to Islam? Christians have this same problem with Paul. They turn away from the message clearly given, and listen to the words of one who claims to speak in Isa's name.

secondly, Allah speaks of following those with knowledge, who are men, but we are to base our obedience or disobedience to scholars upon sound proofs from quran and sunnah, so its not like the christians where we allow reformers to change islam and lead us astray
Islam has not changed? Indeed I see many sects who do not agree with each other concerning Islam. It is little different from Jews and Christians who interpret their books in different manner from each other. Why is there no common "Christianity" for example? I see posts on the internet from Muslims who are more concerned if the "Jinn" see them doing wudu than they are concerned with their fellow man. Even more suprising is the fact that there is an "Imam" who takes the time to address this ridiculousness.
I fear that Muslims are learning to concern themselves with petty details instead of the great message from Allah. Christians are also now more concerned with pouring water on their children than they are worried about the teachings of Isa. Many Muslims today ensure that they make each prayer, while they wish for the death of their fellow man. You fool yourself if you do not believe that there are many who have changed Islam.
Allah has given you his message, eyes to read it, and a mind and heart to understand it. Yet you look to another for the meaning of the book, as if he can understand it better than you. You do yourself an injustice to rely on only the opinion of scholars. Their thoughts and writings are for you to contemplate; not follow blindly.

does the pope even know the entire bible by heart? does have have 100,000 hadiths committed to memory with proper isnad?
You would have to ask the Pope if he knows his bible by heart. I cannot answer for him. Memorizing hadith does not make one better. Acting in the manner of Allah's will is what matters.

it is kufr to reject the messenger of Allah, and to deny authentic hadith is to deny the messenger of Allah
You like to claim kufr when you do not agree, rather than discuss. This is only a tactic of one with a small mind and weak logic. I have studied the Quran for over 50 years, and remember clearly how USSR tried to make my family turn from Allah. It pains me to see what has happened to Islam since the rise of the zealots who discount any discussion that they do not agree with. Perhaps you do not know your history, before Al Sa'ud enslaved the holy land, and the followers of Wahhab killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims. My father used to speak of many discussions with other sects during Hajj. This has not happened in the city of the Prophet for many many years.

I am but a poor old Muslim many miles from my birthplace. I had hoped that a place named "ummah" dot com would be a place where Muslims could discuss their faith openly. I see that this is like many others, infested with Wahhabis and other zealots who would silence those who do not agree with their extremism.

Peace be with you, for I will no longer.

[MalcomBanned4?]

Military service is mandatory in Israel, Israel has about 15% Muslim citizens so it would seem likely they fight. I was wondering has the war is in a Muslim Country and the main religion there is Islam. There are also Muslims In the Army. What does islam say about that? Take America out of the question, what did Islam say about Iran/Iraq and Talibam/Nothern alliance?

[kahlil2112]

Take America out of the question, what did Islam say about Iran/Iraq and Talibam/Nothern alliance?

And you may see my point of listening only to sheiks. Many were joyous as the Iraqis and Iranians killed each other.

[AbuMubarak]

kahlil has been banned for spreading kufr while posing as a muslim