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abdulhakeem
08-11-07, 04:09 AM
08.11.07

Tucking into a plate of seafood, few diners spare a thought for the feelings of the creatures in front of them.

Scientists have no qualms either, having long argued that crustaceans such as lobsters don't feel pain even when cooked live in boiling water.

But a British biologist is challenging this orthodoxy with a study suggesting that prawns, at least, do suffer when harmed.

Professor Robert Elwood dabbed acetic acid, the main ingredient of vinegar, on to the antennae of 144 of them.

The prawns reacted by rubbing the affected parts of their bodies for up to five minutes.
The reaction, he said, was exactly the same as that seen in mammals exposed to painful irritants.

"The prolonged, specifically directed rubbing and grooming is consistent with an interpretation of pain experience," he told New Scientist magazine.

Most biologists believe that simple invertebrates - animals with no backbones and limited nervous systems- cannot feel pain or experience-suffering.

Professor Elwood, of Queen's University, Belfast, rejects this argument on evolutionary grounds. The ability to suffer allows animals to learn from harmful experiences and avoid them in the future, he said.

His research has not, however, convinced other experts in the field.

Liverpool University's Dr Lynne Sneddon, who has investigated whether eels feel pain, said: "You could argue the shrimp is simply trying to clean the antenna rather than showing a pain response."

Dr Richard Chapman, of the University of Utah's pain response centre, said there was a difference between responding to an acidic chemical and actually feeling pain.

Most animal have sensors that react to irritants, he said, adding: "Even a single-cell organism can detect a threatening chemical and retreat from it. But this is not sensing pain."

Annette Pinner, of the Vegetarian Society, said diners should avoid eating lobsters even if the jury was still out on whether they can suffer.

She added: "The more information people have about the pain that animals feel and the way they are treated, the more likely they are to move to a vegetarian diet."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23420004-details/Prawns do feel pain, say scientists/article.do

Abandoned-Mind
08-11-07, 04:10 AM
Thanks for sharing BS sometimes.

abdulhakeem
08-11-07, 04:11 AM
Lobsters ‘feel pain in same way as humans’

Wednesday, November 7, 2007

Lobsters and prawns, often boiled alive by chefs, may be able to feel pain.

The shellfish react to their feelings in much the same we do, scientists say.

Their research goes against traditional thinking which says the edible crustaceans do not sense physical suffering.

Experts reached the conclusion after conducting a mini chemical weapons experiment – they dabbed acid on the antennae of 144 prawns.

The creatures reacted by grooming and rubbing the affected area for five minutes, which is similar to what mammals do when exposed to something nasty.

Prof Robert Elwood, an expert in animal behaviour who led the study, said the prawns' reaction was 'consistent with an interpretation of pain experience'.

He added that it made sense for something a lowly as a shrimp to feel pain because that helped it learn from potentially dangerous experiences, boosting its chances of survival.

Prof Elwood's findings at Belfast University have raised eyebrows in the zoological community, where most believe only vertebrates can feel physical pain.

Dr Richard Chapman, of the Pain Research Centre at Utah University, US, said: 'Even a single-cell organism can detect a threatening chemical gradient and retreat from it. But this is not sensing pain.'

However, Prof Elwood – whose research is published in New Scientist magazine – was not put off. He said: 'Using the same analogy, one could argue crabs do not have vision because they lack the visual centres of humans.'

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=74797&in_page_id=34

Wolfn
08-11-07, 04:15 AM
I do feel sorry for lobsters. Spending their last moments of life in a tank being looked and poked at by children for amusement, then they are chosen to be dunked into a pot of boiling water where they are boiled alive. Then, they are eaten and ripped to pieces.

I wouldn't want that done to me.

hammerofthehuns
08-11-07, 09:53 AM
if u put them in when the waters cold and then put it on the gas, i think they kind of just nod off

elji
08-11-07, 10:00 AM
Thanks for sharing BS sometimes.

:rotfl:

muslimah85
08-11-07, 10:06 AM
08.11.07

Tucking into a plate of seafood, few diners spare a thought for the feelings of the creatures in front of them.

Scientists have no qualms either, having long argued that crustaceans such as lobsters don't feel pain even when cooked live in boiling water.

But a British biologist is challenging this orthodoxy with a study suggesting that prawns, at least, do suffer when harmed.

Professor Robert Elwood dabbed acetic acid, the main ingredient of vinegar, on to the antennae of 144 of them.

The prawns reacted by rubbing the affected parts of their bodies for up to five minutes.
The reaction, he said, was exactly the same as that seen in mammals exposed to painful irritants.

"The prolonged, specifically directed rubbing and grooming is consistent with an interpretation of pain experience," he told New Scientist magazine.

Most biologists believe that simple invertebrates - animals with no backbones and limited nervous systems- cannot feel pain or experience-suffering.

Professor Elwood, of Queen's University, Belfast, rejects this argument on evolutionary grounds. The ability to suffer allows animals to learn from harmful experiences and avoid them in the future, he said.

His research has not, however, convinced other experts in the field.

Liverpool University's Dr Lynne Sneddon, who has investigated whether eels feel pain, said: "You could argue the shrimp is simply trying to clean the antenna rather than showing a pain response."

Dr Richard Chapman, of the University of Utah's pain response centre, said there was a difference between responding to an acidic chemical and actually feeling pain.

Most animal have sensors that react to irritants, he said, adding: "Even a single-cell organism can detect a threatening chemical and retreat from it. But this is not sensing pain."

Annette Pinner, of the Vegetarian Society, said diners should avoid eating lobsters even if the jury was still out on whether they can suffer.

She added: "The more information people have about the pain that animals feel and the way they are treated, the more likely they are to move to a vegetarian diet."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23420004-details/Prawns do feel pain, say scientists/article.do
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