Hanafi View Regarding Niqaab

[Abu Mus'ab]

The Hanafi view regarding niqaab, it's an excerpt from the hanafi fiqh kitaab 'Quduri"

A number of scholars have regarded the woman's entire body to be nakedness, without any exception outside of salah. This is one of the views reported from Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, and is the view of most of the latter Shafi`i scholars. They view the evidence we have cited as being abrogated, and cite other evidence in their favor, including the practice of the women of Madinah, who covered their entire bodies, with the exception of one or both eyes upon the descent of the verse, (translated),

"O Prophet! Tell your wives, your daughters and the believing women to draw their jalabib (outer garments) over themselves." [Qur'an,33:59]

Thus, it is at least recommended, and certainly more precautionary, for women to cover their faces, hands and feet also. The word used in the verse, jalabib (plural of jilbab), refers to an outer garment which covers the body completely, and so this is also an argument in favor of covering the face. Also indicating the covering of the face is the verse, (translated),

"And, when you ask them (the Wives of the Prophet) for something you need, then ask them from behind a veil; that is more pure for your hearts and for theirs." [Qur'an, 33:53]

The reasoning here is that if covering the face was a requirement for the Mothers of the Believers, whom Allah has purified [See Qur'an, 33:33], and who talked to the Companions, the best of generations, and that only on matters of religion, then it is more fitting and imperative that women beneath them in station should observe the same, espcially in times of greater moral decadence in society.

Even if the face is not considered a nakedness, it is obligatory to cover it if there is a danger of fitnah. [Radd al-Muhtar]

[Um Abdullah]

From what I read, all 4 Imams agree that it is obligatory to cover the face in time of fitnah.

[abdusamad]

From what I read, all 4 Imams agree that it is obligatory to cover the face in time of fitnah.


A beautiful saying I heard in ramadhan... "There is Taqwa and there is Fatwa ... The believer, the mu'min, seeks taqwa, where as others weak in faith seek fatwaa. Fatwaa is very close to the borderline where as taqwa is far from it."


Which is very true.


Btw the shaykh said this when a brother asked him about a screw on his watch was GOLD and he asked whether it was halaal for him.


Best advice I heard this whole year.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

From what I read, all 4 Imams agree that it is obligatory to cover the face in time of fitnah.

i know some brothers who try say that if a persons face is less attractive then they need not cover the face but this makes no sense because beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

So best thing to do is just keep safe, and you'll notice ALL four imaams classify niqaab as waajib but its only imaam abu hanifa who set a condition "if there is a chance of fitnah" and these days theres always that chance..


also it could be imaam abu hanifa meant that the elderly and young ones could look upon the face so if theres no youth/young man then its ok??

[Abu Mus'ab]

i know some brothers who try say that if a persons face is less attractive then they need not cover the face but this makes no sense because beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

So best thing to do is just keep safe, and you'll notice ALL four imaams classify niqaab as waajib but its only imaam abu hanifa who set a condition "if there is a chance of fitnah" and these days theres always that chance..


also it could be imaam abu hanifa meant that the elderly and young ones could look upon the face so if theres no youth/young man then its ok??
you get perverts in all shapes and sizes today so that arguement doesn't work :smack:

[IbnAbdulHakim]

you get perverts in all shapes and sizes today so that arguement doesn't work :smack:

you mean cover up even in front of the really elderly and kids?

[bint]

you mean cover up even in front of the really elderly and kids?
yes. have you heard of peodophiles? :( and even kids do the bad deeds.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ like kids below the age of 11? lol.. serious?

laa hawla wa laa quwwata illah billah..

i guess its coz people stopped beatin em wiv a stick :| rspcc lol

[bint]

yes. im being serious.

its not about beating em with a stick
its about the way the parents are too.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i was kidding about the stick, yeah i get you.


conclusion: wear the niqaab :| sick world out there !!!!

[bint]

i was kidding about the stick, yeah i get you.


conclusion: wear the niqaab :| sick world out there !!!!


can i just point out that..even if we wear the niqaab. it doesnt mean it will ward off all evils. it will minimise it. i guess our behavious counts towards it too. how we act in public.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ok... in that case

conclusion: Imitate the sahabiyaats :| sick world out there !!!

[bint]

lol inshaAllah.

[Abu Mus'ab]

^ like kids below the age of 11? lol.. serious?

laa hawla wa laa quwwata illah billah..

i guess its coz people stopped beatin em wiv a stick :| rspcc lol
even ages like 8 years old no joke :nono:

[IbnAbdulHakim]

even ages like 8 years old no joke :nono:

serious... is this a western society thing?

i doubt stuff like this would happen back home like in india or africa etc..?!

[Abu Mus'ab]

i was kidding about the stick, yeah i get you.


conclusion: wear the niqaab :| sick world out there !!!!
It's the filthy world out there that's the problem :nono: they get taught in school that these things are all good, that homosism is acceptable and good etc :asta:

[bint]

it happens everywhere ibnadulhakim. even in india and SA

[khadija85]

A Response to some lady

Sr. Sidrah Abbasi - YM NJ

Are you representing ME? My people? My religion? My sex?
Yea I've read your work and sister please let me stress
That I understand the situation in Pakistan with the Mullahs and the press
Denying women their rights in such a patriarchal mess

I'm sure you look at me in the audience thinking I'm oppressed
I see that smile on your face and for a moment
We connect.
We connect not because your words touch me or that I am impressed
Rather, I am in awe that one possesses ignorance in such excess.

But let me TELL you
Let me speak with as much fervor as you possessed
As you stood there and tore up the one thing that is best

Our Religion.

NO I don't believe women are utterly inferior to men
NO I don't believe women should be raped again and again
In our so-called "Islamic Countries"- I cannot comprehend
How people can act in such violence thinking that they will ascend
To higher spiritual ranks because in their minds they "defend"!

Believe me, It's not Islam that they practice,
rather the Divine rules they bend
To meet their own needs. It is evil that they intend.
It's time we get down to the basics and only then
from these constant lies can we hope to transcend.

Perhaps you are in need of a history lesson.

It was through ISLAM that women were able to rise
ISLAM stopped men from burying their daughters alive
As they heard their little cries stop when they reached their demise
Is it any surprise that Islam brought us self-respect and status in our lives?

The veils we wear are so that we cannot compromise
Our beliefs and our dignity from such lustful eyes.
Yes, sister I sit here and I smile too because I know how you disguise
Cultural issues in the garment of Islam-
The way of life that grants us the ultimate prize

Jannah. Insha Allâh

[Abu Mus'ab]

serious... is this a western society thing?

i doubt stuff like this would happen back home like in india or africa etc..?!
in the villages where the western filth hasn't yet reached you won't find it, but in the places that it reached is all like that :nono:

[IbnAbdulHakim]

how did a beautiful thread about niqaab turn into this :| !

now i feel like retreating to an abandoned countryside ....

[abdusamad]

i know some brothers who try say that if a persons face is less attractive then they need not cover the face but this makes no sense because beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

So best thing to do is just keep safe, and you'll notice ALL four imaams classify niqaab as waajib but its only imaam abu hanifa who set a condition "if there is a chance of fitnah" and these days theres always that chance..


also it could be imaam abu hanifa meant that the elderly and young ones could look upon the face so if theres no youth/young man then its ok??


in saudia a scholar said that black women in saudia were not attractive so obligation was not upon them. May Allaah forgive him, a scholar refuted him saying what one man finds attractive another might find repulsive, he then retracted his statement.


So such statements some may make are ajeeb and offensive to others.

[IbnAbdulHakim]

in saudia a scholar said that black women in saudia were not attractive so obligation was not upon them. May Allaah forgive him, a scholar refuted him saying what one man finds attractive another might find repulsive, he then retracted his statement.


So such statements some may make are ajeeb and offensive to others.

Naudhubillah, may Allah forgive him.

Indeed, i never accepted that opinion, and to be honest its always people who implement sunnah rarely that take such a stance. Allahu a'lam, may Allah protect us from following our desires

[Umm Haya]

salaam, great thread! JazakAllah khayr! been looking for something like that from the hanafi point of view everywhere! :)

[IbnAbdulHakim]

salaam, great thread! JazakAllah khayr! been looking for something like that from the hanafi point of view everywhere! :)

ive got more at home, daleel of the hanafi scholars regarding niqaab. Its what caused my eldest sister to practise the niqaab, i'll post from it when i get home inshaAllah

[Umm Haya]

ive got more at home, daleel of the hanafi scholars regarding niqaab. Its what caused my eldest sister to practise the niqaab, i'll post from it when i get home inshaAllah

Insha'Allah please do akhee! may Allah reward ya

[Um Abdullah]

A beautiful saying I heard in ramadhan... "There is Taqwa and there is Fatwa ... The believer, the mu'min, seeks taqwa, where as others weak in faith seek fatwaa. Fatwaa is very close to the borderline where as taqwa is far from it."


Which is very true.


Btw the shaykh said this when a brother asked him about a screw on his watch was GOLD and he asked whether it was halaal for him.


Best advice I heard this whole year.

Bro, could you tell me what is the connection between ur comment and mine?

I think you understood from my comment that I am saying that niqab is wajib only if the woman's face is fitnah?
If that is the case, then u read my comment incorrectly, for I said "in TIME of fitnah"

Meaning when there is a lot of fitnah around, vice, fahisha, tabarruj ..etc.

My comment has nothing to do with the woman's face being a fitnah or not.


So scholars differed in normal times, when there isn't much fitnah, but in TIMES of fitnah (as I described above, which is in our time now) they agreed that it is obligatory, wallahu a'lam.

I have to search for the article I read regarding this.
which was many years ago !

or maybe if someone has their quotes?
I mean the opinion of the 4 Imams or their schools, regarding niqab in times of fitnah.

[abdusamad]

when i read your post, i remembered that saying by that shaykh. It was not directly aimed as a response to your post, but something i felt would benefit all. How one who has taqwa does not walk on the line of fatwaa, does not hang around in the grey areas.

I agreed with your statement. However many people overlook that the madhahibs hold that view. They only look for whether there is a waajib ruling on the niqaab, and if not then they feel not obligated to look further.

I didn't misunderstand you ukhtee.