ring wearing and hand touching

[insomniac]

not permissable.

Sometimes when people get engaged they have this ring thing sharing thing and the guy is egged on by family to place ring on woman's hand and in doing so he has to touch her hand.

This ain't permissable because they're not married

I know it's really not a discussion but seeing as this issue has arisen in a number of threads - speak about it here insha'Allaah

:jkk:

[bint]

lol so when ure gettin engaged
ure not halal for eachother to touch when slippin the ring on another hand
so basically avoid it

insomniac..great point :D

[zammy]

not permissable.

really not a discussion - but have your conversations here

:jkk:

the guy putting on the ring for the girl when they're engaged... that ring wearing and hand touching?

well men can't shake hands with non-mahram women so why would anyone think it's halal to put a ring on their finger?

[$HugoBoss$]

I think it's halal if you have permission.

[bint]

I think it's halal if you have permission.
any kind of backup? ;)

[insomniac]

I do a lot for my parents alhamdulillah however if they tell me to do something which is against Islaam and I know it is I won't do it, cos that would mean me compromising my deen, and compromising Allaah's commands

my family won't be able to save me on Yawm Al Qiyaamah :(

[$HugoBoss$]

any kind of backup? ;)

I'll look it up when i have time ok :D

[$HugoBoss$]

I do a lot for my parents alhamdulillah however if they tell me to do something which is against Islaam and I know it is I won't do it, cos that would mean me compromising my deen, and compromising Allaah's commands

my family won't be able to save me on Yawm Al Qiyaamah :(

Just ask for forgiveness, whats the big deal?????

[insomniac]

Just ask for forgiveness, whats the big deal?????

how do we know we'll be forgiven and for what we'll be forgiven? :(

[abdusamad]

Just ask for forgiveness, whats the big deal?????


Astaghfirullah!

[$HugoBoss$]

how do we know we'll be forgiven and for what we'll be forgiven? :(

Yeah that we don't know for a fact, all you can do is hope :)

[insomniac]

and not sin insha'Allaah :up::)

[$HugoBoss$]

Astaghfirullah!

:confused::confused:

[bint]

I'll look it up when i have time ok :D
ill be waitin :rolleyes:

its wrong man

no doubt about it

give over hugo:D

[Tariq Lateef]

Cant we just give them the ring and be like you wear it yourself? Mayb you can get somehting good out the rings. If a sister wears it and walks around no brothers will aproach her to marry her, cuz SURELY they will see the sparkling ring and realize...she's engaged.

[$HugoBoss$]

and not sin insha'Allaah :up::)

Ok look sis, [deleted] and i know for a fact many people are in the same shoes as me. It's wrong but what can you do sometimes, you have to ask for forgiveness, shaitan is up in your face 24/7. Allah is ready to forgive when your ready to repent.

My situation was kind of the same, i hope you understand and not take what i'm saying the other way around.

[abdusamad]

:confused::confused:

the attitude of a muslim isnt "oh whats the big deal, just ask forgiveness"... we dont commit a sin thinking that "oh we'll just ask forgiveness"... we dont act on it, but if we do so out of weakness or other reason, we then seek forgiveness, but we dont do what they call pre-meditate.

[abdulhakeem]

Ruling on wearing engagement and wedding rings (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819830&postcount=38)

Engagement according to sharee’ah (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14331)

[$HugoBoss$]

ill be waitin :rolleyes:

its wrong man

no doubt about it

give over hugo:D

No, you guys won't understand.

[insomniac]

Ok look sis, i don't get a chance to pray all my fard prayers and i know for a fact many people are in the same shoes as me. It's wrong but what can you do sometimes, you have to ask for forgiveness, shaitan is up in your face 24/7. Allah is ready to forgive when your ready to repent.

My situation was kind of the same, i hope you understand and not take what i'm saying the other way around.

bro I didn't start this thread to cause you any trouble nor to pinpoint you, but it was merely an attempt to save the Simple weddings thread - which got invaded with rings and engagements lol.

but this has now opened a can of worms :smack: (I'm sorry)

I am not making judgments on you, I'm just trying to point out the conditions of fearing Allaah and loving Allaah.

Allaah swt loves the Muslimeen alhamdulillah :) and sure enough we love Allaah swt. This love goes hand in hand with our fear, we should fear Allaah when we sin and sincerely ask for His forgiveness and lest we sin the same sins again and again, we are likely to be punished severely....

[Tariq Lateef]

Ruling on wearing engagement and wedding rings (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819830&postcount=38)

Engagement according to sharee’ah (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14331)

Ok so i can have a engagement party, and exchage gifts. But no ring. Sounds fine to mE!

[A_Muminah]

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,
Ruling on wearing engagement and wedding rings (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819830&postcount=38)

Engagement according to sharee’ah (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14331)

Baraka-Allaahu Feek. I was going to post those but you beat me to it. :up:

May Allaah reward you tremendously, Aameen.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

[$HugoBoss$]

bro I didn't start this thread to cause you any trouble nor to pinpoint you, but it was merely an attempt to save the Simple weddings thread - which got invaded with rings and engagements lol.

but this has now opened a can of worms :smack: (I'm sorry)

I am not making judgments on you, I'm just trying to point out the conditions of fearing Allaah and loving Allaah.

Allaah swt loves the Muslimeen alhamdulillah :) and sure enough we love Allaah swt. This love goes hand in hand with our fear, we should fear Allaah when we sin and sincerely ask for His forgiveness and lest we sin the same sins again and again, we are likely to be punished severely....

lol no prob sis and i perfectly understand you, jazakallah.

I'm gonna leave now though for the better :up:

You kids can continue and bint stop harassing me :torture:

[Tariq Lateef]

Ruling on wearing engagement and wedding rings (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=819830&postcount=38)

Engagement according to sharee’ah (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14331)

lol no prob sis and i perfectly understand you, jazakallah.

I'm gonna leave now though for the better :up:

You kids can continue and bint stop harassing me :torture:


Were not trying to harass you or your intentions. NO ONE CAN JUDGE YOU! BESIDES ALLAH! dont go and use that as your signiture! >_>

[insomniac]

lol no prob sis and i perfectly understand you, jazakallah.

I'm gonna leave now though for the better :up:

You kids can continue and bint stop harassing me :torture:

BarakAllaah feek.

Feel free to come back anytime insha'Allaah, I'll make sure people lay off a bit insha'Allaah :mujahida:

[ammarcool]

mmmmmmmm ..... assume NIKAH has to be performed before the wedding. most of time the nikah will be taking place in front of brides Fathers, blood relations and the GROOM! at that time the kateeb (Imam) will ask both the groom and the brides father to keep both of their hands together (handshaking like). So at that time IMAM will ask the brides FATHER to tell that "I have made my daughter to be your wife and she is HALAAL for you", after that GROOM will say"Yes i m accepting her as my wife, etc". so its like swearing by both parties against each other! so i dont think at the time of touching brides hands for putting the ring wont be HARAAM.

its just my opinion. what do you say guyz?

:)

[-Fady-]

someone invited my Family to this celebration (puts ring and that) but noone went we told them Bluntly "we aint going"

[Abu Mu'adh]

I fail to see any discussion here, it's pretty clear that it isn't persmissble, we shouldn't be trying to justify it when it's as clear as daylight. when the Nikah is done put the ring on and take it off as many times as you want.

[insomniac]

I fail to see any discussion here, it's pretty clear that it isn't persmissble, we shouldn't be trying to justify it when it's as clear as daylight. when the Nikah is done put the ring on and take it off as many times as you want.

yeh the discussion was had in another thread - so to avoid that thread going into downward spiral - this thread was opened

[Unique Muslimah]

Just ask for forgiveness, whats the big deal?????

:eek3:

[aurorascopic]

not permissable.

Sometimes when people get engaged they have this ring thing sharing thing and the guy is egged on by family to place ring on woman's hand and in doing so he has to touch her hand.

This ain't permissable because they're not married

I know it's really not a discussion but seeing as this issue has arisen in a number of threads - speak about it here insha'Allaah

:jkk:

:O This is what happened in my so called 'engagement do'!!! But before you think anything, I got my own way ;)

Firstly I told them there's no such thing as 'engagement' in islam and it has no significance, so they were like 'but we want to buy you gifts and give you a ring' so I agreed on having a 'daawat' (meal at our house).

It was really cool and casual, we ended up having a bbq (sisters section ladies will know all details ;) ) I made it very clear from beginning that because we're not maried I don't want hubby-to-be putting the ring on my hand...so his mum put it on me instead :D we took some photos too and whenever people see it theyre always like ':eek3: why is she putting ring on you???' and I have to explain...but not many people realise or think it's even significant. Engagements have become so casual, I know people who go on dates with their 'fiances' in public and families are ok with it! and then again we know of people being engaged and then one month or even a week before the nikkah they have a petty quarrel and break everything up :(

Inshallah I hope everything goes well with my wedding, make dua.

[insomniac]

:O This is what happened in my so called 'engagement do'!!! But before you think anything, I got my own way ;)

Firstly I told them there's no such thing as 'engagement' in islam and it has no significance, so they were like 'but we want to buy you gifts and give you a ring' so I agreed on having a 'daawat' (meal at our house).

It was really cool and casual, we ended up having a bbq (sisters section ladies will know all details ;) ) I made it very clear from beginning that because we're not maried I don't want hubby-to-be putting the ring on my hand...so his mum put it on me instead :D we took some photos too and whenever people see it theyre always like ':eek3: why is she putting ring on you???' and I have to explain...but not many people realise or think it's even significant. Engagements have become so casual, I know people who go on dates with their 'fiances' in public and families are ok with it! and then again we know of people being engaged and then one month or even a week before the nikkah they have a petty quarrel and break everything up :(

Inshallah I hope everything goes well with my wedding, make dua.

Alhamdulillah thas good to hear :)

Insha'Allaah I pray you are blessed with a happy and successful marriage :)

[afsalim]

not permissable.

Sometimes when people get engaged they have this ring thing sharing thing and the guy is egged on by family to place ring on woman's hand and in doing so he has to touch her hand.

This ain't permissable because they're not married

I know it's really not a discussion but seeing as this issue has arisen in a number of threads - speak about it here insha'Allaah

:jkk:

Yup. During my engagement, my mom placed the ring on my fiancee's hand and only female members of both of our families were present there. Me, along with my dad and the male members of my family were present in another room. It's better to keep the 'touching' away until a man and woman is united in a matrimony.

[`asiya]

not permissable.

Sometimes when people get engaged they have this ring thing sharing thing and the guy is egged on by family to place ring on woman's hand and in doing so he has to touch her hand.

This ain't permissable because they're not married

I know it's really not a discussion but seeing as this issue has arisen in a number of threads - speak about it here insha'Allaah

:jkk:

:jkk: and just to mention that there should be no ring involved at all in this so called "engagment" we dont have "engagments " in Islam, we have agreements to marry .. "engagments" and "engagment" and "wedding" rings are for christians and we are not christians so loose the ring altogther and problem solved.

[imanalistic]

not permissable.

Sometimes when people get engaged they have this ring thing sharing thing and the guy is egged on by family to place ring on woman's hand and in doing so he has to touch her hand.

This ain't permissable because they're not married

I know it's really not a discussion but seeing as this issue has arisen in a number of threads - speak about it here insha'Allaah

:jkk:

i didn't get engaged, just got nikah'ed, and no ring even after nikah. ;)

[-Fady-]

i didn't get engaged, just got nikah'ed, and no ring even after nikah. ;)

thats the way :up: MashAllah

[`asiya]

i didn't get engaged, just got nikah'ed, and no ring even after nikah. ;)

thats the way :up: MashAllah

masha Allah exactly thats the islamic way, its ajeeb to see the prophecies of our beloved prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam, who told us that " some of his ummah would follow them down the lizard holes." when the sahabba asked "who ya rasoolAllah? al yahood wal nasara? " he said " who else!! "

[afsalim]

i didn't get engaged, just got nikah'ed, and no ring even after nikah. ;)

Great :up:

Thats how usually weddings takes place in Bangladesh. During engagements the nikah takes place and the receptions are held later on.

[Ebony]

Usually the boys mother will put the ring on the girl and the girls father will put it on the boy.

And well if you shake hands w the opp sex anyway then they just exchange the rings themselves.

[Raziel]

these threads aught to be deleted.

Practically Every Muslim knows that you can't touch a Non-Mehrem, and this Ring wearing thing has no relevance to Marriage in Islam, so we shouldn't be doin it in the First place.

:jkk:

[sunrise]

:salams

sis good point:up:

They are not married and therefore there shouldn't be any phyisical touching, he remains to be like any other non-mahram man

if they tried on me i would not be a happy bunny:mujahida:

[Kal-El]

So if your fiance came to you and gave you this ring, and wanted to put it on your finger; how would you react? The fact that he's doing it either means he's forgot he's not meant to because he's in "all loved up" Mode, so would you reject his engagement ring then and there? Or would you allow it..

[sunrise]

he should know better...

and you can't accidently come and bring a ring, it's usually something he would have disussed with his family beforehand or gave it a lot of thought

it's not like accidnetly dropping the milk or something

[`asiya]

So if your fiance came to you and gave you this ring, and wanted to put it on your finger; how would you react? The fact that he's doing it either means he's forgot he's not meant to because he's in "all loved up" Mode, so would you reject his engagement ring then and there? Or would you allow it..

well u wouldnt be alone with him in the first place so he wont be acting like that in front of the walli, and u just tell him i dont want a ring, we are not christians... :jkk:

[summer786]

what if he wears gloves?

[`asiya]

what if he wears gloves?

:0: for what ? to touch her with ? absolutely not allowed to touch a non mahram woman wether a man is wearing cotton, wool or leather gloves or steel plate armoured ones ...

[$HugoBoss$]

:0: for what ? to touch her with ? absolutely not allowed to touch a non mahram woman wether a man is wearing cotton, wool or leather gloves or steel plate armoured ones ...

:rotfl:

[niqaabi_muslima]

:0: for what ? to touch her with ? absolutely not allowed to touch a non mahram woman wether a man is wearing cotton, wool or leather gloves or steel plate armoured ones ...

:up:

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘If one of you were to be struck in the head with an iron needle, it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman he is not allowed to.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045).

After nikkah then its all allowed

[$HugoBoss$]

:up:

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘If one of you were to be struck in the head with an iron needle, it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman he is not allowed to.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045).

After nikkah then its all allowed

Jazakallah for that piece of info, i never knew and now it all makes sense :D

[niqaabi_muslima]

yes after nikkah you can put as many rings as u like on ur spouse :)

[Kubs]

yes after nikkah you can put as many rings as u like on ur spouse :)

lol - what if the mother in law puts the ring on her?

[muhammed_1428]

Yeh simple solution, just WAIT for the Imam to say so then you can put the ring on her hand or his hand if you're a sister...

Don't see what the big deal is, its not like you're family are going to be like "quick put the ring on their hand the Imam is almost here" That's like cleaning your house before the cleaner gets there :P

Unless I'm wrong, I mean isn't the Nikah when they're Islamically allowed for each other? As in touching etc will not be considered zina? And if the Imam is the one who confirms this, then no rings should be placed on any hand until he actually HAS confirmed it right?? That's when the rings are placed on hands, and then everyone waits another 6 months for the groom to get some money and have their 'traditional wedding' - leaving the bride and groom kinda frustrated that they can't be with each other 'traditionally' and that the first form of 'closeness' is where they'll feed each other cake :P