‘The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Isla

[Mullah_Din]

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

I was browsing through the book, ‘The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam’ and found that it was filled with fun facts. One of them concerns the term ‘Mosque’. This book pointed out that the term ‘Mosque’ was derived from the Spanish word for ‘mosquito’. It was termed as such because during the Crusades, King Ferdinand said they were going swat the Muslims ‘like mosquitoes’ and, in those days, where would you find large numbers of Muslims, but, in a Masjid.

So, we must refer to it as a Masjid. The word Masjid is derived from the Arabic root word Sajdah - a place of prostration!

"He only shall tend Allah's Masaajid (sanctuaries) who believes in Allah (Taa'la) and the Last Day and observes proper worship and pays the poor-due and fears none but Allah (Taa'la). For such (only) is it possible that they can be of the rightly guided. " (SURAH TUBAH)

Wassalaam,

Maulana Hafeezud Din
BIRMINGHAM, UK

[THE PATH 2]

jazakallah ,someone told me this

now its official

[Mullah_Din]

jazakallah ,someone told me this

now its official


Jazaak Allah, bro!

You know there's always been people out there who have had it for Islam, but, Allah Taa'la ALWAYS protects HIS Din.

[THE PATH 2]

:lailah:

salaams..

[Mullah_Din]

:lailah:

salaams..

Wassalaam Akhi

[aboosait]

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh

:wswrwb:

I was browsing through the book, ‘The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam’ and found that it was filled with fun facts.

Why dont you spend your time reading some useful books?

One of them concerns the term ‘Mosque’. This book pointed out that the term ‘Mosque’ was derived from the Spanish word for ‘mosquito’.

Anyone with a little common sense would refer to a standard dictionary or encyclopedia for the meanings and never imitate people like you and search "idiot's guide"

The following are the meanings from different dictionaries:

mosque

A Muslim house of worship./Islamic place of worship.
Islamic Dictionary:

mosque

English corruption of the Arabic masjid "place of prostration."
Encyclopedia Britanica:

mosque

Islamic public place of prayer.
Columbia Encyclopedia:

mosque

building for worship used by members of the Islamic faith.

Wikipedia:

A mosque is a place of worship for followers of the Islamic faith. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name, masjid (pl. masajid) (Arabic: مسجد )

[Mullah_Din]

:wswrwb:



Why dont you spend your time reading some useful books?



Anyone with a little common sense would refer to a standard dictionary or encyclopedia for the meanings and never imitate people like you and search "idiot's guide"

The following are the meanings from different dictionaries:

mosque

A Muslim house of worship./Islamic place of worship.
Islamic Dictionary:

mosque

English corruption of the Arabic masjid "place of prostration."
Encyclopedia Britanica:

mosque

Islamic public place of prayer.
Columbia Encyclopedia:

mosque

building for worship used by members of the Islamic faith.

Wikipedia:

A mosque is a place of worship for followers of the Islamic faith. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name, masjid (pl. masajid) (Arabic: مسجد )

Oh, yes! I hadn't realised that you were given all the world's common sense -stop being so porocative!
You try studying Islam and them lecture me!

[THE PATH 2]

:wswrwb:



Why dont you spend your time reading some useful books?



Anyone with a little common sense would refer to a standard dictionary or encyclopedia for the meanings and never imitate people like you and search "idiot's guide"

The following are the meanings from different dictionaries:

mosque

A Muslim house of worship./Islamic place of worship.
Islamic Dictionary:

mosque

English corruption of the Arabic masjid "place of prostration."
Encyclopedia Britanica:

mosque

Islamic public place of prayer.
Columbia Encyclopedia:

mosque

building for worship used by members of the Islamic faith.

Wikipedia:

A mosque is a place of worship for followers of the Islamic faith. Muslims often refer to the mosque by its Arabic name, masjid (pl. masajid) (Arabic: مسجد )

YOURE THE SAME GUY THAT SLAGS OFF ...FAZAAILE AAMAAL:rubeyes:




MULLAH DIN IS A SCHOLAR OF ISLAM TOO..AS IS SHAIKH ZAKARIYYA

fear youre own ignorance..brother

[aboosait]

Oh, yes! I hadn't realised that you were given all the world's common sense -stop being so porocative!

Whats provocative in that?

You call yourself a cleric (an unislamic title though) but dont seem to maintain the etiquette of the clerics.

You try studying Islam and them lecture me!

‘The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam’ is with you. You burn that book first and then attend my lectures.

[Al-Farooq]

Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

I have heard this mentioned before, but there is little of substance to actually support the claim.

It is generally accepted that the etymology of the word "mosque" comes from the Spanish word "mezquito" (which literally means "masjid") possibly through the Italian "moschea" or the french "mosquee". "Mezquito" is generally accepted to have been derived from the Arabic "masjid".

Although "mezquito" may be similar to the Spanish "mosquito", it is similar to many other Spanish words including "mezquino" which means mean or miserable, "mezcla" which means mixture, "mosquetero" which means musketeer, etc.

This story is really nothing more than an urban legend, it has no basis in fact. I hope this helps.

Allahu alim.

[aboosait]

...........MULLAH DIN IS A SCHOLAR OF ISLAM TOO..AS IS SHAIKH ZAKARIYYA.............

So he has started his writing work....and picked up some mureeds too from this forum............Whom is he writing for?

[THE PATH 2]

So he has started his writing work....and picked up some mureeds too from this forum............Whom is he writing for?

http://www.islamictimes.co.uk/

[aboosait]

Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh.

:salams

:alhumdull

Pleased to see your post after a long time.

Accept my greetings for your first Eid. Hope all is well Alhamdu lillah.

This story is really nothing more than an urban legend, it has no basis in fact. I hope this helps.

:jkk:

[aboosait]

http://www.islamictimes.co.uk/

I clicked on the link, but couldn't find your shaikh's name anywhere on the homepage.

[salahuldin786]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npfvDuRxjOE who know's this brother he will eat you alive

[Mullah_Din]

YOURE THE SAME GUY THAT SLAGS OFF ...FAZAAILE AAMAAL:rubeyes:




MULLAH DIN IS A SCHOLAR OF ISLAM TOO..AS IS SHAIKH ZAKARIYYA

fear youre own ignorance..brother

The Path - you are too kind. Wallaahi, I do not even compare myself with the dust on the shoes of Shaykh Muhammad Zakariyyah (Alayhi Rahmah) - Wallaahi, how fortunate is he who is resting in Jannah tul Baqi until the Day of Qiyaamah!

Wassalaam,

[Mullah_Din]

I clicked on the link, but couldn't find your shaikh's name anywhere on the homepage.

Aboosait - I am a servant - never seen myself other than a servant. On the Islamic website when you look at the contents (down the left handside), it states, QUESTION TIMES - I appear on there, and, they refer to me as Shaykh Hafeezud Din. May Allah Taa'la save me from pride. Aameen

[Mullah_Din]

So he has started his writing work....and picked up some mureeds too from this forum............Whom is he writing for?

I have no mureeds. I do not even know THE PATH 2, other than that he is a Muslim brother whom I respect tremendously!


Please refrain from slandering people!

[Mullah_Din]

Whats provocative in that?

You call yourself a cleric (an unislamic title though) but dont seem to maintain the etiquette of the clerics.



‘The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam’ is with you. You burn that book first and then attend my lectures.

You lecture. Wow, that's a new one! Where and when did you qualify as an Aalim? I'm sick an dtired of your repetition that I call myself a cleric and that I do not maintain the etiquettes of one. With the grace of Allah Taa'la, the world calls me an Aalim, because I studied and my Allah Taa'la gave me this respect, although, I have a lot more to learn. You are just a crticical person, who has nothing good to say - everyone is wrong except you - that was indeed the concept of the cursed one!

[Tosh]

Wa alaikum assalaam,

Bro, from what I know, it isn't right to make statements like this regarding people who have passed away: how fortunate is he who is resting in Jannah tul Baqi until the Day of Qiyaamah!

What do we know about their situation? Not a lot, apart from possible geograhical location, nothing at all.

May Allah forgive him and us all, give him the resting place of Jannat ul Baqi if he doesn't have it and give us guidance and mercy. Ameen

[Mullah_Din]

Wa alaikum assalaam,

Bro, from what I know, it isn't right to make statements like this regarding people who have passed away:

What do we know about their situation? Not a lot, apart from possible geograhical location, nothing at all.

May Allah forgive him and us all, give him the resting place of Jannat ul Baqi if he doesn't have it and give us guidance and mercy. Ameen

My statement is POSITIVE! One should refrian from finding 'wrongs' in people once they are dead!

[Tosh]

Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

I have heard this mentioned before, but there is little of substance to actually support the claim.

It is generally accepted that the etymology of the word "mosque" comes from the Spanish word "mezquito" (which literally means "masjid") possibly through the Italian "moschea" or the french "mosquee". "Mezquito" is generally accepted to have been derived from the Arabic "masjid".

Although "mezquito" may be similar to the Spanish "mosquito", it is similar to many other Spanish words including "mezquino" which means mean or miserable, "mezcla" which means mixture, "mosquetero" which means musketeer, etc.

This story is really nothing more than an urban legend, it has no basis in fact. I hope this helps.

Allahu alim.

It's nice to think like that, French and Italian aren't primary languages, therefore aren't the statements inconclusive and actually insignificant as a source (possibly further evidence to investigate has been presented). What I mean is, your story has no substantial reason as to why it is not an urban legend.

Here are a few more inconclusive statements from me:

I have heard that it came through the pronunciation like the Egyptians - masgid instead of masjid. This became mezguida, and then mesquita.

Until we have some sort of "source" or proof, its all inconclusive. Especially because all of the sources are subjective. You have to go to a proper linguist or etymologist who can trace the source, not just go by statements. It could just be the snowball effect, where 50 people say it only because they "heard" it from one source...who may not be telling the truth...intentionally or unintentionally.

Not a huge reason for debate because nobody considers the word like that anymore even if it once was, there are many other pertinent issues like poor education amongst our youths, criminality, the ill-treatment of women, oppressed Muslim peoples etc. These are all issues for which we need to find out and follow Islam.

It is best for muslims to stick to Masjid anyway, just as we say Allah as opposed to God, and Salah instead of Prayer.

[Tosh]

My statement is POSITIVE! One should refrian from finding 'wrongs' in people once they are dead!

Is it not treading dangerous waters though?

Just as you should not absolutely try to console someone on death saying something like, "Do not worry, they are in Jannah." Its just something that we do not know about anyone.

Is this not an attempt to be the Judge without knowledge?

[Mullah_Din]

Is it not treading dangerous waters though?

Just as you should not absolutely try to console someone on death saying something like, "Do not worry, they are in Jannah." Its just something that we do not know about anyone.

Is this not an attempt to be the Judge without knowledge?

Not at all! Froma numerous of Sahih Ahaadith glad tidings have been given to those buried in Jannah tul Baqi and one should wish for and think of good for the deceased especially for an Aalim who spent all his life serving Islam!

[aboosait]

[QUOTE=Mullah_Din;2231490..................... Froma numerous of Sahih Ahaadith glad tidings have been given to those buried in Jannah tul Baqi ...........![/QUOTE]

Please quote the Sahih Ahaadith with isnaad if your statement is true. We cannot blindly accept all that you say.

[aboosait]

....................I do not even compare myself with the dust on the shoes of Shaykh................

Why, are'nt we all made from dust?

Allah s.w.t.says, [20:55]
مِنْهَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ وَفِيهَا نُعِيدُكُمْ وَمِنْهَا نُخْرِجُكُمْ تَارَةً أُخْرَى
20:55 From the (earth) did We create you, and into it shall We return you, and from it shall We bring you out once again.and He says,As-Sajdah [32:7]الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنسَانِ مِن طِينٍ32:7 He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,

[Mullah_Din]

Please quote the Sahih Ahaadith with isnaad if your statement is true. We cannot blindly accept all that you say.

I have NOT aske dyou to follow me blindly. Go and seek references from your Ghair Muqallid Ulama!

[Mullah_Din]

Please quote the Sahih Ahaadith with isnaad if your statement is true. We cannot blindly accept all that you say.

I have NOT asked you to follow me blindly. Go and seek references from your Ghair Muqallid Ulama!

[Mullah_Din]

Why, are'nt we all made from dust?

Allah s.w.t.says, [20:55]
مِنْهَا خَلَقْنَاكُمْ وَفِيهَا نُعِيدُكُمْ وَمِنْهَا نُخْرِجُكُمْ تَارَةً أُخْرَى
20:55 From the (earth) did We create you, and into it shall We return you, and from it shall We bring you out once again.and He says,As-Sajdah [32:7]الَّذِي أَحْسَنَ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقَهُ وَبَدَأَ خَلْقَ الْإِنسَانِ مِن طِينٍ32:7 He Who has made everything which He has created most good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,

Its called wisdom and respect which do not exist in your vocabulary!

[aboosait]

I have NOT aske dyou to follow me blindly. Go and seek references from your Ghair Muqallid Ulama!

Oh, respected Shaikh! You have quoted a hadith, and the burden of proving its authenticity rests on you.

[Um Abdullah]

Not at all! Froma numerous of Sahih Ahaadith glad tidings have been given to those buried in Jannah tul Baqi and one should wish for and think of good for the deceased especially for an Aalim who spent all his life serving Islam!

Could you plz quote at least one of the hadiths your speaking about.

[Um Abdullah]

Regarding the first post, I found this:

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Question: There is a book entitled The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam. It discusses within it many things, including the etymology of the word “mosque”. It says that this word is derived from the Spanish word for “mosquito”. It claims that the word was first used during the Christian invasion of Muslim Spain in the 15th century when the forces of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella boasted they would swat out Muslim prayer houses like so many mosquitoes. Is this true?

Answered by the Scientific Research Committee - IslamToday.net


This etymology is incorrect.

The Spanish word for "mosquito" is mosquito and literally means “little fly”. This is a case where the English language borrowed the word directly from the Spanish.

The word for “fly” in Spanish is mosca, which is derived from the Latin musca. The diminutive suffix “-ito” is attached to it to form the word mosquito or “little fly”.

The Spanish term for “mosque” is mezquita, derived from the old Spanish mesquita. This word was most certainly derived from the Arabic word masjid, which many Arabs then and now pronounce as masgid.

In Spain during the era of Muslim rule – and this was before the time of King Ferdinand – Spanish speakers were using the word mosquito for the insect and the word mesquita for the Muslim place of worship. The two words are not related to one another in any way.

The word “mosque” was introduced into the English language in the late 14th or early 15th century from the French. It comes from the French word mosquée from the old French word mousquaie. The French, in turn, derived the word from the Italian word moschea from moscheta. The Italians got it either directly from the Arabic word masjid or from the old Spanish mesquita.

References:

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition; © 2000 Houghton Mifflin Company.

Online Etymology Dictionary, ETYMOLOGY Moo-Muc
http://www.etymonline.com/m8etym.htm

[aboosait]

............................The word “mosque” was introduced into the English language in the late 14th or early 15th century from the French. It comes from the French word mosquée from the old French word mousquaie. The French, in turn, derived the word from the Italian word moschea from moscheta. The Italians got it either directly from the Arabic word masjid or from the old Spanish mesquita...........

:jkk:

[aboosait]

Oh, respected Shaikh! You have quoted a hadith, and the burden of proving its authenticity rests on you.

Also Mullah_Din, kindly reply to my question at the following thread:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230045#post2230045

[ya-rehman]

Assalamu alaikum

brother "aboosait" plz say kind words...and just like to mention, without any needs "mullah_Din" is very humble Brother...and Allah tala knows best.

[Mullah_Din]

Assalamu alaikum

brother "aboosait" plz say kind words...and just like to mention, without any needs "mullah_Din" is very humble Brother...and Allah tala knows best.

Jazaak Allaah, Ya-Rehman.

May I become more humble in serving Islam until I die. Aameen

Wassalaam

[ya-rehman]

Jazaak Allaah, Ya-Rehman.

May I become more humble in serving Islam until I die. Aameen

Wassalaam

Assalamu alaikum

i pray we all Muslims do.

[Tosh]

Not at all! Froma numerous of Sahih Ahaadith glad tidings have been given to those buried in Jannah tul Baqi and one should wish for and think of good for the deceased especially for an Aalim who spent all his life serving Islam!

Sorry bro, I don't mean to be argumentative here, I just want nothing but the truth.

Can I have examples of those Sahih Hadith that support what your saying here please? Its for my peace of mind, because certainty is peace of mind

[aboosait]

Jazaak Allaah, Ya-Rehman.

May I become more humble in serving Islam until I die. Aameen

Wassalaam

Ameen.

Asking for proofs is being misunderstood by some members who have high regards for you as an insult to you. Perhaps my language seems agressive? You know I am not an Englishman. I always welcome suggestions for improvement. What are these Islamic forums for, but to learn from each other by mutual discussion?

One person might have conducted research in a particular field and another brother/sister might be blessed with knowledge in some other field.

But I am sure you understand the wisdom behind it as you had yourself posted earlier that all such claims should be proved from the Qur'an and Sunnah.

:jkk:

:salams

[(*_Hamzah]

As'salaam alaikum

To Aboosait

Respected Mullah said where the word mosque derived from then new meaning shown by you is not the point.

[aboosait]

As'salaam alaikum

To Aboosait

Respected Mullah said where the word mosque derived from then new meaning shown by you is not the point.

:wswrwb:

That is an allegation on Mullaji. He never said that. He only quoted what "Complete Idiot’s Guide" says and what I said meant lets not go to 'Idiot's guide' but be with people who go for dictionaries and encyclopedia. (though some people here tried to make a big issue of it) I did not mean to say anything more than that.

I fail to understand why you are reviving the topic with a new approach which would tend to create a rift in hearts. Always try to join hearts of mu'mins.

Moreover that topic has ended and there is no point in discussing it again.

The ongoing point is, we are asking for proof for the following statement of Mullaji which he perhaps made in a hurry and would insha Allah clarify in due course as more than one person has requested and reminded him in this thread to provide proof.

............. Froma numerous of Sahih Ahaadith glad tidings have been given to those buried in Jannah tul Baqi........................

Over to Mullaji

[Mullah_Din]

we are asking for proof for the following statement of Mullaji which he perhaps made in a hurry and ..................

Al Hamdu Lillah, I do not make statements in a hurry - I will be accounatble for everything I say on the Day of Judgement. Al-Baqi literally means a 'tree garden'.

At the burial of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam's) son, Hadhrat Ibrahim, He prayed using these words:

"Peace be upon you, O abode of the faithful! Allah willing, we should soon join you. O' Allah, forgive the fellows of al-Baqi".

In one Hadith, the Holy Prophet visited it and prayed for those who were buried there, by saying, "Peace be upon you, oh Believers, I grant you my pledge that tomorrow truly we will be lofty and worthy, Allah willing. Oh Lord, forgive the residents of Baqi."

[Al-Irhaab]

I have NOT aske dyou to follow me blindly. Go and seek references from your Ghair Muqallid Ulama!

2 pieces of advice bro if you feel they are worthwhile then take them if not then correct me...

1) when you speak to ignorant people, such as the person you been debating with who even claims it is halal to shake hands with foreign women, about detailed topics the conversation becomes so fruitless that the people start wondering who the ignorant one is naudhubillah and trust me ive seen it myself with this person...

2) not all ghair muqallids or 'salafis' are ignorant like this person many of them are knowledgeable humble people mashallah, if not most of them... unfortunately some are just ignorant prats as their are ignorant prats from the people of the madhaib...

may allah *swt* forgive us for our shortcomings (ameen)

[Mullah_Din]

2 pieces of advice bro if you feel they are worthwhile then take them if not then correct me...

1) when you speak to ignorant people, such as the person you been debating with who even claims it is halal to shake hands with foreign women, about detailed topics the conversation becomes so fruitless that the people start wondering who the ignorant one is naudhubillah and trust me ive seen it myself with this person...

2) not all ghair muqallids or 'salafis' are ignorant like this person many of them are knowledgeable humble people mashallah, if not most of them... unfortunately some are just ignorant prats as their are ignorant prats from the people of the madhaib...

may allah *swt* forgive us for our shortcomings (ameen)

Bro, I understand what you are saying, but, you words against that particular brother were a little harsh. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression taht all Ghair Muqallids were ignorant - absolutely not! I should have observed patience, too, and perhaps should have refrained from suck language - like you said very beautifully - may Allah Taa'la forgive us all. Aameen.

Wassalaam,

[Tosh]

we are asking for proof for the following statement of Mullaji which he perhaps made in a hurry and ..................

Al Hamdu Lillah, I do not make statements in a hurry - I will be accounatble for everything I say on the Day of Judgement. Al-Baqi literally means a 'tree garden'.

At the burial of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam's) son, Hadhrat Ibrahim, He prayed using these words:

"Peace be upon you, O abode of the faithful! Allah willing, we should soon join you. O' Allah, forgive the fellows of al-Baqi".

In one Hadith, the Holy Prophet visited it and prayed for those who were buried there, by saying, "Peace be upon you, oh Believers, I grant you my pledge that tomorrow truly we will be lofty and worthy, Allah willing. Oh Lord, forgive the residents of Baqi."

JazakAllah khair for this. Bro,can I have Hadith references and also, I am interested on reading further, do you recommend any further reading on the web about "Jannat al-Baqi'?

Salaam

[~Imaan~]

aboosait, y do u try ur level best 2 try and find a fault in what others are saying on this forum....?i havnt bin here long but it seems to me lke in most of your posts all u r doing is trying hard to pick a debate with people over small things and deliberately turning them into huge issues..... we r all muslims here- well most anyway- so y not save time and energy by starting debates about real issues that matter instead of little things that dnt make any diffrence.......jst some humble advice, hpe u dnt tke it offensively :o


.....after all, the 1st questions we r going to be asked in the grave and on the day of judgement are not going to be 'what word did u use to describe the place where muslims worship?' Allah knows best.

[Mullah_Din]

JazakAllah khair for this. Bro,can I have Hadith references and also, I am interested on reading further, do you recommend any further reading on the web about "Jannat al-Baqi'?

Salaam


I apologise, but, I cannot always remember and / or give references. You should sometimes believe in what an Aalim says, failing that, please take my statements to an Aalim you trust and get them verified!

I do NOT recommend any readings of any topics on the web!

[Al-Irhaab]

Bro, I understand what you are saying, but, you words against that particular brother were a little harsh. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression taht all Ghair Muqallids were ignorant - absolutely not! I should have observed patience, too, and perhaps should have refrained from suck language - like you said very beautifully - may Allah Taa'la forgive us all. Aameen.

Wassalaam,

bro my words against that brother were harsh but i have known him known him for longer and his character has been seen by everyone on this both who ascribe themselves to be salafi or from the madhaib...so its a waste of time trying to speak to him... like i said anyone who claims that its permitted to shake a womans hand has no knowledge of deen and is in no position to lecture someone about islam and dalail...

may allah *swt* make us all followers of the salaf as saliheen whether we ascribe to one of the schools of the aimah arabah or not and grant us unity and jannat al firdaus *ameen*

[aboosait]

.............. claims it is halal to shake hands with foreign women................

Please prove your statement by referencing the post number and thread if you are truthful. As far as I remember you had gone day dreaming about haram acts and I had advised you in one of the threads to refrain from it.

[aboosait]

.............. claims it is halal to shake hands with foreign women................

Please prove your statement by referencing the post number and thread if you are truthful. As far as I remember you had gone day dreaming about haram acts and I had advised you in one of the threads to refrain from it.

Please see your Post # 25 on the following page. Please click on this link to view.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146246&highlight=shaking+hands&page=2

[aboosait]

.....after all, the 1st questions we r going to be asked in the grave and on the day of judgement are not going to be 'what word did u use to describe the place where muslims worship?' Allah knows best. [/COLOR][/FONT]

And neither will you be asked in the grave to name your 'madhab'

Gade murdon ko kyoun ukhadthee ho? (Why are you going back to topics that have been resolved?)

[~Imaan~]

And neither will you be asked in the grave to name your 'madhab'



Gade murdon ko kyoun ukhadthee ho? (Why are you going back to topics that have been resolved?)

i dnt remember saying that we wil....:confused:...so wts ur point?

sorry. didnt realise. my sole intention was to make u see that pointless bickering is stupid and u seem to do it a lot, jst to prove u r right and every1 els is wrong. bt if ur nt even going to consider my post, let alone reflect on it and simply pik out any faults out of it for the sake of argument then go ahead, i got beta things to do.

u win......i giv up

satisfied?


-end of-

[Mullah_Din]

i dnt remember saying that we wil....:confused:...so wts ur point?

sorry. didnt realise. my sole intention was to make u see that pointless bickering is stupid and u seem to do it a lot, jst to prove u r right and every1 els is wrong. bt if ur nt even going to consider my post, let alone reflect on it and simply pik out any faults out of it for the sake of argument then go ahead, i got beta things to do.

u win......i giv up

satisfied?


-end of-

Meri Jaan - its not worth it, please.

Forget and forgive!

Have a great day - n pray for all!

[Baybars]

I really don't get how this could have happened hey. I mean a simple thread started by a simple person, completely innocent, and it gets totally blown out of proportion.

Aboosait, you're my brother, you're our brother, we're all brothers, but you insist on causing friction, and even if it isn't your intention, you must know that every thread you enter ends in brothers throwing their hands in the air and walking away. In a time when we need unity, this kind of madness needs to stop. People flocked towards the Prophet (SAW), because of his character and who he was. You must know this better then I do. We should all strive be the muslim that people flock towards, not the kind of individual that people run away from. Even if you are some how blessed with extraodinary knowledge and understanding of deen, can't you keep your opinions inside, when you know that disclosing them causes so much arguing and division? Isn't unity amongst us more important then your right to propagate your opinion? Do you not value your brothers this much? Do you not want to make your brothers smile, or would you rather make then frustrated and angry? Daleel, and proofs and evidences and fiqh and whatever the rest are, they're not as important as keeping us all together. You need to work on that, look around you. Don't make me waste my time here.

If you want to have a dialogue with me, go right ahead, thats fine, but if you want to respond with a link to some website, then don't bother. And if you insist on arguing with me, PM me, don't do it here. You did this with the Fazail-e-amal thread as well, what did it change? Nothing, you alienated everyone. The Prophet (SAW) in his prophecy and his teaching never alienated anyone. There is something to ponder in that. Whatever your stance is, whatever your opinion is, wherever you stand on anything, your primary purpose has to be unity. You have to hold everyone together Aboosait, there's no other way. You are responsible for that in the eyes of Allah, as are all the rest of us. I will pray for you Aboosait, and you pray for me too. :coolbro:

[aboosait]

.................. my sole intention was to make u see that pointless bickering is stupid and u seem to do it a lot,.......... .
u win......i giv up..........

I did not mean to upset u or anybody here. I am always open to criticisms because it has a two fold addvantage.

If you point out my mistakes, you get the reward for it from Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala. Secondly, if your view is proved correct and I correct myself, I get the reward.

But one thing to be remembered is that you are from a different country and your readers are from different countries. Our languages are different: even our English is different (unless of course we refer to a standard dictionary every time we have a doubt). Some words have different meanings in the same language and this variation is according to the usage.

The greatest danger is when one unconciously uses a word from one language while speaking in another language.

SUWARA = shape in Arabic

SUWAR = wall in Tamil (India)

SUWAR = pig in Urdu (india)

So if you feel that someone (me) is not paying heed to your writings, please dont be upset. Perhaps he/she might understand what you wish to convey if you express the same thing in a different way.

[aboosait]

..........................You have to hold everyone together .............

Holding everyone together is not in our hands, but Allah subhanahu wa ta'alaa has said that He will join our hearts just as He did earlier if only we follow the Qur'an, abide by the Sunnah and keep away from innovations.

Here is the proof for this:

Al-Imran [3:103]
وَاعْتَصِمُواْ بِحَبْلِ اللّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلاَ تَفَرَّقُواْ وَاذْكُرُواْ نِعْمَةَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاء فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىَ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ 3:103 And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.

Now read the following quote from Tafseer Ibne katheer

The Benefits of Brotherly Ties and Unity and the Consequence of Division on the Day of the Gathering

Allah said next,[يَوْمَ تَبْيَضُّ وُجُوهٌ وَتَسْوَدُّ وُجُوهٌ](On the Day when some faces will become white and some faces will become black) [3:106]
on the Day of Resurrection. This is when the faces of followers of the Sunnah and the Jama`ah will radiate with whiteness, and the faces of followers of Bid`ah (innovation) and division will be darkened, as has been reported from Ibn `Abbas.

So the disuinity among Muslims according to Islam is due to the two opposing factors clearly shown in the above Hadith (I have underlined the points)

It is to be noted that in the above mentioned Hdith of Ibne Abbas it is clear that Jam'ah is associated with Sunnah and division is associated with bid'ah.

Please read the Verses and the Hadith and note down what Allah s.w.t and the Prophet s.a.w. say about the following:


Benefits of Brotherly Ties and Unity.


Causes for division and disunity.



Consequence of Division (on the Day of the Gathering)

Let me conclude by saying that if "........You have to hold everyone together ........" you have to to see that everyone sticks to theQur'an and Sunnah and keeps away from innovations in matters of deen as has been explained above in the light of the Qur'an and Hadith by the learned scholar Ibne Kathir Rahimahullah.

Tafsir quote is from the following site:

http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=3&tid=8932

[IbnAbdulHakim]

jazakAllahu khair brother Mullah_Din it was an interesting article.

Whats funny is on another forum someone else posted it and she too got attacked, lol it appears that this article invites attacks.

funny dont you think? :) But may Allah reward your sincerity :)

[Mullah_Din]

jazakAllahu khair brother Mullah_Din it was an interesting article.

Whats funny is on another forum someone else posted it and she too got attacked, lol it appears that this article invites attacks.

funny dont you think? :) But may Allah reward your sincerity :)

IbnAbdul Hakim, Jazaak Allah, bro!

I'm quite used to getting attacked - its like a trend. May Allah Taa'la accept our efforts. Aameen

Wassalaam

[aboosait]

..........but if you want to respond with a link to some website, then don't bother...............

Could you tell why?

...........You did this with the Fazail-e-amal thread as well, what did it change? Nothing, you alienated everyone...........

Here is one of the changes:

Emelianenko, Post #124, http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2230231#post2230231
A lot has changed in almost 40years mate...........Fadhail E darood was removed donkeys years ago .........ws

Another change I notice is in a website of some tableegee brothers where they have uploaded the FA minus some of the baseless stories found in the original Urdu editions.

I dont mean to say that they have reacted to aboosait's post in Ummah. com but it is no doubt because the scholars have been time and agin pointing out the mistakes in the FA.

.....The Prophet (SAW) in his prophecy and his teaching never alienated anyone............

Did he not have enemies? Were not Khalifas brutally asassinated?

...There is something to ponder in that. Whatever your stance is, whatever your opinion is, wherever you stand on anything, your primary purpose has to be unity. You have to hold everyone together Aboosait,

I have answered this separately in my previous post.

[aboosait]

"..............the Holy Prophet visited and prayed . Oh Lord,................ forgive the residents of Baqi."

Who were the residents of Baqi at that time? None other than the Sahaba I believe.

I suppose he did not say: "forgive the residents and those likely to be buried here in future"

[aboosait]

I'm quite used to getting attacked -

Salam.

I fail to understand this. On the one hand you have been inviting Comments from your readers on your esteemed publications, wheres if the comments point out something seemingly unpleasant, instead of accepting or rejecting the comments with valid explanation you are taking it as an attack on your person and some of your fans are joining you on this.

For example, I commented on a poem which was just a quote and not your own, but one of your fans shot at me for that.

Your comments welcome.

wa s salam.

[~Imaan~]

here we go again :rolleyes:...................thought u said everything was resolved?




u must jst be bored i suppose :rolleyes:

[elji]

here we go again :rolleyes:...................thought u said everything was resolved?




u must jst be bored i suppose :rolleyes:

I believe aboosaits question was posed to mullah din. If your sick of a thread just leave it alone. Thats what i do :) :up:

[aboosait]

here we go again :rolleyes:...................thought u said everything was resolved?

u must jst be bored i suppose :rolleyes:

TOO THOUGHT SO BUT HIS FANS LIKE U ARE RAISING THE ISSUE AGAIN. Your favourite verse is "Innalaha ma'asabireen" but why do you loose patience when you see my post below Mullaji's post?

[Mullah_Din]

Salam.

I fail to understand this. On the one hand you have been inviting Comments from your readers on your esteemed publications, wheres if the comments point out something seemingly unpleasant, instead of accepting or rejecting the comments with valid explanation you are taking it as an attack on your person and some of your fans are joining you on this.

For example, I commented on a poem which was just a quote and not your own, but one of your fans shot at me for that.

Your comments welcome.

wa s salam.

Do not take it personally! I have no fans, these are merely brothers and sisters I'm beginning to know on this Forum! The poem was by a very little girl, and I thought she'd done really well. All the good for encouraging her? Why can't you just be a little diplomatic, bro?

Just leave it here for now. Let's move on - life goes on!

Wassalaam,

[Tosh]

May Allah allow us to control our pride. Ameen!

Please bros, can we have some Islamic brotherly attitude here. Give each other some benefit of doubt and show some mercy. We should let each other off every now when others do something wrong to us.

May Allah help me and us in following any advice which is good. Ameen.

[aboosait]

I have no fans, these are merely brothers and sisters I'm beginning to know on this Forum!

Wassalaam,

If I were to be a fan of x or y (perhaps a bollywood star) would he/she know me? Its that way. You cannot know who are your fans unless they reveal themselves.

:aku_salam:

[ImaanSeeker]

here we go again :rolleyes:...................thought u said everything was resolved?




u must jst be bored i suppose :rolleyes:

Bro, just ignore aboosait. He has started an uncountable amount of arguments on this forum.

[Mullah_Din]

If I were to be a fan of x or y (perhaps a bollywood star) would he/she know me? Its that way. You cannot know who are your fans unless they reveal themselves.

:aku_salam:

We love in a completely different world to Bollywood stars. We might have people who admire or confide in us, but, as for fans, I think it's the wrong word!

[aboosait]

We live in a completely different world to Bollywood stars. We might have people who admire or confide in us, but, as for fans, I think it's the wrong word!

Perhaps you are right.:up:

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ its funny you should mention this, i was thinking about one of my most respected imaams yesterday.. and i thought that i would definitly strive more and feel much happier to meet him then any regular man meeting their favorite actor/actress.

The feeling is so different... it cant be explained !

[Mullah_Din]

Perhaps you are right.:up:

Jazaak Allah!

I'm happy we actually agree on something, bro!

ADHAKALLAAHU SINNAK. Aameen

[IbnAbdulHakim]

ADHAKALLAAHU SINNAK. Aameen

Ameen, may i have the translation respected brother :)

also can you please send me that file again... i think i lost it :(

[Mullah_Din]

Ameen, may i have the translation respected brother :)

also can you please send me that file again... i think i lost it :(

May Allah (Taa'la) always keep you smiling. Aameen (GREAT Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (Alay Hissalaam)!

(Insha Allah, will send you file later as I'm preparing for Jumu'ah right now, bro) - Remind me what file, bro? (I'm getting forgetful!!)

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ jazakAllahu khair :) forgive me for wasting your time


assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

[Mullah_Din]

^ jazakAllahu khair :) forgive me for wasting your time


assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

Wassalaam IbnAbdulHakim

No, bro, you are not wasting my time. I will send you article if you remind me which one it was, Insha Allah!

Wassalaam,