Is Islam really colour blind?

[Islamic Sister]

Okay, so lets just forget about our parents 'cos for the majority of us they were not born were you are probably living now and so they did not grow up with the same race relations as we have. When YOU think of you're future spouse do you think they have to come from a particular country or race or do you honestly not care as long as they have the characteristics that you are looking for.

[Arrakis]

For me race means nothing, but for my parents race means everything and they are muslims so it does matter as they shouldn't be racist at all.

[brjimc]

Race doesnt matter much to me. :)

[Islamic Sister]

For me race means nothing, but for my parents race means everything and they are muslims so it does matter as they shouldn't be racist at all.

:D Believe me that is not just the view of your parents!!!!

[Arrakis]

:D Believe me that is not just the view of your parents!!!!

Oh no, I know lol, all the other parents from back home were the same way, as if only Arabs were muslims. :rolleyes:

[imanalistic]

islam is color blind!

some HUMANS are not color blind.

just because some HUMANS (who follow islam) are not color blind does not mean that islam is not color blind

that is, you can not base islam on peoples actions.

you base islam on the scriptures (qur'an and sahih hadith)

also, color does not bother me.

[Islamic Sister]

islam is color blind!

some HUMANS are not color blind.

just because some HUMANS (who follow islam) are not color blind does not mean that islam is not color blind

that is, you can not base islam on peoples actions.

you base islam on the scriptures (qur'an and sahih hadith)

also, color does not bother me.

Yes you're right maybe I should of worded it better. Of course Islam is colour blind!! I should asked "Are Muslims colour blind?", because of my constant traveling to Muslim countries such as Egypt, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Qatar I have found that this is really not the case.

[afsalim]

We are one nation under Allah SWT. Shades of skin are absolutely irrelevant. We are one race and that is homo sapience.

[Pro_Candy]

Okay, so lets just forget about our parents 'cos for the majority of us they were not born were you are probably living now and so they did not grow up with the same race relations as we have. When YOU think of you're future spouse do you think they have to come from a particular country or race or do you honestly not care as long as they have the characteristics that you are looking for.

I would like to say that race/nationality doesn't matter to me. It shouldn't. But after my first marriage failed miserably, and seeing how a man can change from wonderful and nice to angry and full of hate at the drop of a hat, I just don't want to be stuck in the middle of the same situation again.

I'd rather play it safe and marry an American Bro. No worries about his intentions, especally if the issues of greencard or citizenship arise. No worries about my kids being taken away. Because all of this came to play, or was threatened (or implied), or became an issue, in my first marriage.

And, no worries about having to go visit 'back home'. I'm scared to fly!

[Islamic Sister]

Sooorrryyyyy typin error.....I meant "of course Islam is colour blind"...........

[Sama]

islam is definitely colour blind!! but sadly this isn't the case with some muslims. but then again i've heard that there's nothing wrong with having a colour preference when it comes to marriage.

[MG]

islam is definitely colour blind!! but sadly this isn't the case with some muslims. but then again i've heard that there's nothing wrong with having a colour preference when it comes to marriage.

Sooorrryyyyy typin error.....I meant "of course Islam is colour blind"...........

i take what you are both saying as an insult to islam, islam is not colour blind and our Prophet SAW did alot to fight this kind of backward thinking, if some individuals choose to be racist or just plain prefer someone black, brown, pink, orange, how is that islam's fault? islam is not telling them to choose only blacks, or only browns, these individuals whoever they are choose to take this path themselves , so please be careful on how you word what u say, islam is not to blame for peoples prejudices, people are

[Arrakis]

i take what you are both saying as an insult to islam, islam is not colour blind and our Prophet SAW did alot to fight this kind of backward thinking, if some individuals choose to be racist or just plain prefer someone black, brown, pink, orange, how is that islam's fault? islam is not telling them to choose only blacks, or only browns, these individuals whoever they are choose to take this path themselves , so please be careful on how you word what u say, islam is not to blame for peoples prejudices, people are

You got it wrong, they were both saying that Islam is NOT racist, just individuals.

[MG]

You got it wrong, they were both saying that Islam is NOT racist, just individuals.

i thought the same originally but then read further on, please read the posts i quoted.

[Sama]

i take what you are both saying as an insult to islam, islam is not colour blind and our Prophet SAW did alot to fight this kind of backward thinking, if some individuals choose to be racist or just plain prefer someone black, brown, pink, orange, how is that islam's fault? islam is not telling them to choose only blacks, or only browns, these individuals whoever they are choose to take this path themselves , so please be careful on how you word what u say, islam is not to blame for peoples prejudices, people are

I'm not quite sure what your definition of "colour blind" is, but in this instance i meant islam doesn't discriminate against colour as the Prophet (saw) had wives and friends from different colours. But we as muslims (not all muslims) are NOT colour blind as we focus/ discriminate on this basis. I find it insulting to be called someone who insults islam.

[`asiya]

Okay, so lets just forget about our parents 'cos for the majority of us they were not born were you are probably living now and so they did not grow up with the same race relations as we have. When YOU think of you're future spouse do you think they have to come from a particular country or race or do you honestly not care as long as they have the characteristics that you are looking for.

doesnt matter at all what race culture etc. a muslim is, what matters is that u feel comfortable with, get along well with that person, and feel at home with them no matter where u are, and that u can help each other through life and support each other and remind each other in the deen and work towards the same goals.

Allah ta ala created mates for us all and we dont know whoose the one, so we shouldnt be blinkered, anyone could have been chosen by Allah ta ala to be our spouse, and they may not be coming in a certain colour, race, height or whatever, we were thinking, we preferred.

we could miss out on the perfect match made for u by Allah ta ala because we were so busy looking for the pefect match in dunya race, culture, age or whatever. i leave it to Allah and what ever the person is like in their love for their deen and their personality is first priority not the wrapper they came in.

[MG]

I'm not quite sure what your definition of "colour blind" is, but in this instance i meant islam doesn't discriminate against colour as the Prophet (saw) had wives and friends from different colours. But we as muslims (not all muslims) are NOT colour blind as we focus/ discriminate on this basis. I find it insulting to be called someone who insults islam.



apologies didnt mean to offend you, blame it on lack of food !

[Knva790]

Salam Alaikom

this is my first post actually :)

first of all Islam prohibit racism, how can i call my self a Muslim if i was a

racist?

secondly when i think of my future spouse, i definitly don't care about the

race,color..etc, The Prophet (Sala Allahu Allyhe wa Allih wasalam) said:

"A woman may be married for four reasons:
for her property, her status, her beauty, and her religion; so
try to get one who is religious, may you be blessed."


excuse me for my bad english [trying to improve my english:up:]


:lailah:
Mohammad Rasoul Allah

[`asiya]

Salam Alaikom

this is my first post actually :)

first of all Islam prohibit racism, how can i call my self a Muslim if i was a

racist?

secondly when i think of my future spouse, i definitly don't care about the

race,color..etc, The Prophet (Sala Allahu Allyhe wa Allih wasalam) said:

"A woman may be married for four reasons:
for her property, her status, her beauty, and her religion; so
try to get one who is religious, may you be blessed."


excuse me for my bad english [trying to improve my english:up:]


:lailah:
Mohammad Rasoul Allah


sah masha Allah :jkk: amin :up:

( english is very good masha Allah alhamdulillah)

[Khadija222333]

Race doesn't matter as long as the person is a good Muslim. :cool: :inlove: :embar: :outta:

[MasjidAlHaram]

typical replies... be honest, if you were given a choice of marrying someone whose family knows yours well and he is your race and pious, and there was a pious chinese brother who speaks only chinese and broken english, with all his family back in china who speak no english, your telling me race wont matter? maybe to you it may not and thats most probably due to your upbringing where you have been raised in a mixed environment without holding your own family and culture

there are some tho who can do it, and goodluck to you...

its sad that the young muslims easily dismiss their parents wisdom and say race dont matter or culture yet forward 20years or even 10 years and ask the sisters and brothers who are now divorced due to problems between each other and their families due to the non compatibility issues...ask the ones who did it..dont make assumptions yourself

Islam allows marriages regardless of race or culture but does ask that there be COMPATIBILITY

i dont see myself compatible with a chinese sister whose family dont speak my language nor share my families culture

I think the only muslims who will have success in these kinds of marriages are if they have been raised away from their families and in a mixed environment

We always get told the working examples of mixed marriages yet not many talk about the failed marriages, which believe me are more as i know social workers who deal with divorces and one of the biggest reasons of divorce is the misunderstandings between the two due to differences between families

my advice is be realistic..dont be emotional...think like sister pro candy said.. she has been through the experience...she is giving you realistic advice from a real situation...wise people take advice from all sides

[`asiya]

typical replies... be honest, if you were given a choice of marrying someone whose family knows yours well and he is your race and pious, and there was a pious chinese brother who speaks only chinese and broken english, with all his family back in china who speak no english, your telling me race wont matter? maybe to you it may not and thats most probably due to your upbringing where you have been raised in a mixed environment without holding your own family and culture

there are some tho who can do it, and goodluck to you...

its sad that the young muslims easily dismiss their parents wisdom and say race dont matter or culture yet forward 20years or even 10 years and ask the sisters and brothers who are now divorced due to problems between each other and their families due to the non compatibility issues...ask the ones who did it..dont make assumptions yourself

Islam allows marriages regardless of race or culture but does ask that there be COMPATIBILITY

i dont see myself compatible with a chinese sister whose family dont speak my language nor share my families culture

I think the only muslims who will have success in these kinds of marriages are if they have been raised away from their families and in a mixed environment

We always get told the working examples of mixed marriages yet not many talk about the failed marriages, which believe me are more as i know social workers who deal with divorces and one of the biggest reasons of divorce is the misunderstandings between the two due to differences between families


and what then do u propose the reverts to Islam do? who will they marry ? on my island i dont know of any man from here that has ever converted to Islam in the last 100 years so if i take your advice then marriage is forbidden for me and never going to work out with another muslim because we dont have the same background and culture ?

Islam came to wipe out tribalisim and cultural thinking, can u just tell me what is it that people do in your culture that is in keeping with Islam, that is so very different to what other muslims like me may do ?

because if we are following the way of RasoolAllah salAllahu alleyhi wa salam then nothing i do that is any different from what your people do on a daily basis, except for langauge and anyway wherever u live and work, and reside, u will speak the langauge of those people and so there is no langauge problem. if the sahabba had all thought like u then islam would never have spread around the world its only by inter marriage between the races that islam spread so quickly masha Allah. the companions travelled to china, cyprus .. and all married locals and masha Allah they came to Islam.

are u asian btw just out of interest...

[aisha2007]

and what then do u propose the reverts to Islam do? who will they marry ? on my island i dont know of any man from here that has ever converted to Islam in the last 100 years so if i take your advice then marriage is forbidden for me and never going to work out with another muslim because we dont have the same background and culture ?

Islam came to wipe out tribalisim and cultural thinking, can u just tell me what is it that people do in your culture that is in keeping with Islam, that is so very different to what other muslims like me may do ?

because if we are following the way of RasoolAllah salAllahu alleyhi wa salam then nothing i do that is any different from what your people do on a daily basis, except for langauge and anyway wherever u live and work, and reside, u will speak the langauge of those people and so there is no langauge problem. if the sahabba had all thought like u then islam would never have spread around the world its only by inter marriage between the races that islam spread so quickly masha Allah. the companions travelled to china, cyprus .. and all married locals and masha Allah they came to Islam.

are u asian btw just out of interest...

I agree sis..... who would I marry if I had to stay with 'my own creed/colour/culture'? Do you think there are many white/caucasian muslims in the North East of England?

[ibnKathir27]

I think many people are disingenious when it comes to this.

Perhaps they do want to marry a revert but often it is a specific type of revert. As a general example I know of sisters who claim they want to marry reverts for their deen etc but wouldn't marry a Black, Chinese/Oriental or Asian revert.

Everyone should be treated as an individual. As a rever myself I was not overly keen on marrying another revert just because I wanted someone with a Muslim Family background as this was something I myself did not have.

If the right revert sister had come along I would not have turned her down but my preference was for born Muslims

[MasjidAlHaram]

its no suprise that reverts have replied.....

i did mention that if you can do it then goodluck...

what you dont see as reverts is the muslim parents side of this topic....

as reverts i can presume your parents were not muslim and had different background to a muslim family..

that is why i understand your concern

to be honest i have posted in another thread that i would not mind marrying a revert...but she would have to be COMPATIBILE with me.. she has to speak english as i speak that...and my family understand english....

my origin does not matter for me to tell anyone here...

i have been told of a revert in my area who seems to be fitting my compatibility requirements..similar age, brought up not to far from my house, went to my school......by the way she is english and i am not.. but since i know of her and she is friends with my family's friends i would not mind to marry her once i know if my family is fine with it and of course herself..

But the chances of it happening are rare simply due to parents....its different for most reverts as they have left their parents way of life...i cant do that with mine by marrying against their opinions, what i need is to compromise and marry someone who i like and they like

[`asiya]

its no suprise that reverts have replied.....

i did mention that if you can do it then goodluck...

what you dont see as reverts is the muslim parents side of this topic....

as reverts i can presume your parents were not muslim and had different background to a muslim family..

But the chances of it happening are rare simply due to parents....its different for most reverts as they have left their parents way of life...i cant do that with mine by marrying against their opinions, what i need is to compromise and marry someone who i like and they like

but are the parents of the born muslim not muslims themselves... did becoming parents give them the right to bring in these sort of conditions... where in Islam did they get this from .. ?

i dont understand why it is that some people use their status as parents to call for something that is unislamic ...every mother is still a muslim, every father is still a muslim, and if non muslim parents are not having a problem with race culture nationality then how come the muslim parents are having so many personal preferences and opinons ..:confused:

food for thought..

[MasjidAlHaram]

its called cultural clash ...be patient..give it another 20years and the next generation of parents who are born living with mixed raced people will accept it

we need to think deep..be wise, give our parents a break, they were raised in a culture that was very strong and deep rooted to one way of seeing things, imagine being raised only amoungst one race as a muslim, seeing your parents and whole family as muslims doing the same thing and then doing it yourself as a parent for 50+ years of your life is something not easy to get rid off as soon as your own child demands to marry someone who is not from the same race...

we need to think from both sides of the coin...they may not be doing it 100% islamically but if its not haram then its very hard to change elders thinking...

[RashidD]

So when does that kinda thinking become haraam?

[MasjidAlHaram]

So when does that kinda thinking become haraam?

Good question, ask the people who object to parents

I dont think its haram if my parents want me to marry someone from our race, i call it a choice based on compatibility, after all my parents raised me and helped me get on the deen, i dont want to act independant and make my own choice in marriage, i want to share it with my parents so i marry someone who we all are happy with...it happens i dont mind my parents opinions

[sis_niqabi]

salam

Islam is color blind, unfortunately many Muslims are not

[Desipower]

Good question, ask the people who object to parents

I dont think its haram if my parents want me to marry someone from our race, i call it a choice based on compatibility, after all my parents raised me and helped me get on the deen, i dont want to act independant and make my own choice in marriage, i want to share it with my parents so i marry someone who we all are happy with...it happens i dont mind my parents opinions

I agree with this. Basically it breaks down to this.

Islam is not color blind as the prophet (saws) said in his last sermon

"... All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.... O People! No Prophet or Apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People! And understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, Al-Qur'aan and my Sunnah (i.e., sayings, deeds, and approvals) and if you follow these you will never go astray..." [Prophet Muhammad's (SAW) Last Sermon]

But he (saws) also said that one can limit one self to marry within the same tribe if they want. It is more of a choice and preference than prejudice. of course, many culture prejudice ppl out there too so it all depends on how you look at it.

For instance,
if you say we (arabs) are better than them and are real muslims so we will marry in arabs only, then clearly you are wrong.

But if you say, you prefer someone from your own culture only becuase you know the mentality of the people, are familiar with their culture, behavior, norms, values, etc and just feel safer knowing what you're getting, then that is not prejudice but preference. And many parents feel safer marrying their kids in same culture for lot of similiarties and higher compatibility.

[`asiya]

Good question, ask the people who object to parents

I dont think its haram if my parents want me to marry someone from our race, i call it a choice based on compatibility, after all my parents raised me and helped me get on the deen, i dont want to act independant and make my own choice in marriage, i want to share it with my parents so i marry someone who we all are happy with...it happens i dont mind my parents opinions

but then we have to ask these parents who are wanting their children to marry due to their cultural preferences...

based on which words of Allah ta ala in the Quran or his messenger salAllahu alleyhi wa salam in the sahih hadith, do they base this opinion .. or we could all start bringing conditions on everyone and call it so called "compatiability" u know we have this already in our ummah audu billah... u know the story.....

its not enough that the person is asian they also have to be from the same area of asia, then its not enough that they are from the same area they have to be from the same village, then thats not enough either and they have to be from the same family....

I see this a lot audu billah, and a massive part of our islam is enjoining the good and forbidding the evil and the prophet salAllahu alelyhi wa salam has told men that a woman should be married for the deen, and he salAllahu alleyhi wa salam has told the gaurdians of women, that when a pious man whoose deen u are pleased with comes to ask for your daughters hand in marriage, then marry him to her ( if she accepts) or there will be great fitnah in the land...

so if we only bore in mind those two hadiths, then such parents dont have a point at all, and their choices are clearly not based on wisdom of the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam but on their own personal opinions and in Islam personal opinions can be left at the door alhamdulillah because the best speech is the speech of almighty Allah and the best guidance is the sunnah of Muhmammad salAllahu alleyhi wa salam. :lailah:

hayatal dunya..

[RashidD]

You may have the preference, but then again what happens if say an asian and white girl wanna marry MashaALLAH and the parents refuse based solely on the reasons above? Like that they want someone from the same culture...?

[The same can be reversed as in the white folks rejecting the asian guy]

Where did Nabi [SalALLAHu Alaihi Wa Sallam] allow to marry only in your tribe...?

[Desipower]

You may have the preference, but then again what happens if say an asian and white girl wanna marry MashaALLAH and the parents refuse based solely on the reasons above? Like that they want someone from the same culture...?

[The same can be reversed as in the white folks rejecting the asian guy]

Where did Nabi [SalALLAHu Alaihi Wa Sallam] allow to marry only in your tribe...?


To your first question and topic of thread, this is a good read inshallah
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=13780&ln=eng

To your 2nd question, i recall reading a hadith while back about a man who came to the prophet (saws) saying he wants his daughter to marry so and so tribe only, and the prophet (saws) allowed.

Like i said, if it's a matter of preference (based on stuff like sense of security, similarities, comfortability, compatibility, etc) then it's all good and if it's based on on wrong reasons (superiority complex, racial prejudice, etc) then it's wrong.

[RashidD]

The shaykh [May ALLAH preserve him] went about telling the guy that he has the same spiritual potential regardless of skin colour MashaALLAH... That's the way it should be

[Islamic Sister]

You got it wrong, they were both saying that Islam is NOT racist, just individuals.

Thank-you, I think you're the only one who is understanding my question at the moment!

[Arsalan]

For me race is not important, purity in all senses of the word is important.

[ms.sapphireblu]

Salam

I live in South Africa and my parents were born in the Apartheid times. Even though they were discriminated against themselves, they still have issues with race and wouldn't want me to marry someone out of my own race(even though they know it's unislamic to be prejudiced). However, alhamdulillah I don't have any issues with race and I also think its easier for me 'cos I was born in a different era.

Good question :)

[leela]

typical replies... be honest, if you were given a choice of marrying someone whose family knows yours well and he is your race and pious, and there was a pious chinese brother who speaks only chinese and broken english, with all his family back in china who speak no english, your telling me race wont matter? maybe to you it may not and thats most probably due to your upbringing where you have been raised in a mixed environment without holding your own family and culture

there are some tho who can do it, and goodluck to you...

its sad that the young muslims easily dismiss their parents wisdom and say race dont matter or culture yet forward 20years or even 10 years and ask the sisters and brothers who are now divorced due to problems between each other and their families due to the non compatibility issues...ask the ones who did it..dont make assumptions yourself

Islam allows marriages regardless of race or culture but does ask that there be COMPATIBILITY

i dont see myself compatible with a chinese sister whose family dont speak my language nor share my families culture

I think the only muslims who will have success in these kinds of marriages are if they have been raised away from their families and in a mixed environment

We always get told the working examples of mixed marriages yet not many talk about the failed marriages, which believe me are more as i know social workers who deal with divorces and one of the biggest reasons of divorce is the misunderstandings between the two due to differences between families

my advice is be realistic..dont be emotional...think like sister pro candy said.. she has been through the experience...she is giving you realistic advice from a real situation...wise people take advice from all sides

No, it wouldn't matter. I'd look at other things after piety, like personality and looks... so if the Chinese brother was better looking or had a more attractive personality, then I'd go for him. And all marriages are hard work. There's always something that won't be perfect.. but it's up to the couple to work on the issues, be it language, culture, family interference, educational differences or differences in opinions.
But, as you say, it depends on the individuals and their approach to such matters.

[Tariq Lateef]

Good question, ask the people who object to parents

I dont think its haram if my parents want me to marry someone from our race, i call it a choice based on compatibility, after all my parents raised me and helped me get on the deen, i dont want to act independant and make my own choice in marriage, i want to share it with my parents so i marry someone who we all are happy with...it happens i dont mind my parents opinions

But ammi said, no BMW....

seriously though, i agree with half the people on this forum that color/race/culture should not clash. The two cultures should find a middle ground.

I understand that Yes you have to give your parents time, you cannot just break their 50 year old tradition but if you join and follow the same tradition, when you have kids, won't you be prone to having THEM married in the same culture? I mean cmon what will Grandpa and Grandma say? But i do agree somewhat.

ANother food for thought is that, families who are from other countries that are here like you said, first generation with MOSt if not ALL of their family back home where ever that mayb, the parents are still BOUND by their family back home to marry someone in the culure. You know what i mean? I have friends who have their whole FAMILIES here in the US, you know COUSINS, UNCLES, AUNTS, GRANDPA, GRANDMA, they all still follow their culture to some extent but It will Be easier for them to cope with intercultural marriages. The familes that are new here and their kids are grown and ready to get married, their parents have to REPORT back home and what will happen when they go back for visit? what will all the UNCLES and AUNTIES say?....and you definetly dont wanna break family ties... :S so ya i sorta agree it will TAKE TIME lol..Im done. :rolleyes:

[Ahmadinejad]

For me race means nothing

For ISLAM race means nothing.

[neelu]

Haven't read the other replies.

Islam is colour blind but a large proportion of Muslims are not.:o

[zammy]

i'm not racist or anythin but I don't see myself marrying someone who isn't Somali..makes life so much easier that's all. But it definitely depends on the circumstances!

[Kubs]

Is it true that Asian parents especially frown upon mixed race marriages? Do they really disown their very own children? I am by no means trying to be offensive, just curious :)

[neelu]

Is it true that Asian parents especially frown upon mixed race marriages? Do they really disown their very own children? I am by no means trying to be offensive, just curious :)

Many do, but not all.

[`asiya]

people should only marry within their tribes to continue family tradition

la howla wala qawalta illah billah..and how would Islam have spread worldwide if people were following your particular "family tradition" of only marrying "their own kind" This is not the example of rasoolAllah salAllahu alleyhi wa salam, this is not the way of the sahabba and the best of the generations of those who came after them.

and who do u think that the reverts should marry? when there are no muslims of their own race converted to Islam in their area?

its all very well for u to say that, but u have just excluded the whole of the rest of the ummah of Muhammad salAllahu alleyhi wa salam, from marrying unless they just happen to be born into your particular tribe. Alhamdulillah the muslims do not follow what ur family follows.

[JLo]

islam is colour blind (we are not jugded and our merits not weighed on the basis of our skin shades) but muslims are like the rest of the human population.

We have the good, the bad and the damn ugly!

[(*_Hamzah]

I was reading Othello, and it strikes a remarkable resemblance to Muslims situation of racial marriage, okay in Othello he marries Desdemona - The daughter of the Venetian senator Brabanzio, he doesn’t approve of the marriage because Othello is black, despite the fact that Othello and Barbazion are good companions, as soon as he wants to marry his daughter, the friendship and bond they have mean nothing and is hindered by the colour of Othello Skin

[(*_Hamzah]

inter-marriage stops wars?

The philosophy of marriages of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.)

For the sake of freeing prisoners and slaves. For example, 'Juwayriyah' was from a prominent tribe of Banul-Mustalaq. In a war against Islam this tribe was defeated; and Juwayriyah, the daughter of their Chief, was held in captivity. The Prophet married her to set an example of protection and good treatment to prisoners of war.

On seeing that the prisoners had become relatives of the Holy Prophet by marriage, the Muslims released all the prisoners of war held by them. According to Ibne Hisham, over one hundred families of Banul-Mustalaq were freed from captivity as a result of this marriage.

(4) For the sake of uniting some prominent Arab tribes who often were at logger heads with each other and to safeguard the internal political status of Islam.

The Prophet :saw@ married A'ishah daughter of Abu Bakr Siddiq (first caliph) from the tribe of Bani Tim, Hafsah daughter of Omar ibn AI-Khattab (second caliph) from the tribe of Adi, Umm-Habibah daughter of Abu Sufyan from the tribe of Umayyah, Safiyah daughter of Huaiy bin Akhtab of the Jewish tribe of Bani an-Nadir, and Maymunah from the tribe of Bani Makhzum.
Umm-Habibah (i.e. Ramla) was daughter of Abu Sufyan of Bani Umayyah who was the bitterest enemy of the Prophet and had repeatedly fought against him. She, as a Muslim, was in great distress since she was divorced from her original husband (who had become a Christian in Abyssinia) and her father was a great enemy of Islam.

http://www.ezsoftech.com/omm/prophet.asp

[`asiya]

I was reading Othello, and it strikes a remarkable resemblance to Muslims situation of racial marriage, okay in Othello he marries Desdemona - The daughter of the Venetian senator Brabanzio, he doesn’t approve of the marriage because Othello is black, despite the fact that Othello and Barbazion are good companions, as soon as he wants to marry his daughter, the friendship and bond they have mean nothing and is hindered by the colour of Othello Skin

yep thats true, they say welcome to Islam sister/brother .. act like ur best freind, but if u dared to speak about marrying into their family oh no not even possible to think about it .. oh u dont understand brother/sister in my culture we only marry from "back home" ... :smack: would be an embaressment for them to even ask anyone from " back home " about helping u to find a husband/wife ..and if ur divorced or have kids or are over 25 oh forget it u might as well be a leper.

[(*_Hamzah]

Is it true that Asian parents especially frown upon mixed race marriages? Do they really disown their very own children? I am by no means trying to be offensive, just curious :)

No more then Turk's or Arabs for that matter, but all that is a huge generalisation , because I know of Asian particular Bengali women and men with black, white and oriental partners and there family fully accept it, it’s about how we change and get rid of this cultural stigma in Islam

[Kal-El]

I was reading Othello, and it strikes a remarkable resemblance to Muslims situation of racial marriage, okay in Othello he marries Desdemona - The daughter of the Venetian senator Brabanzio, he doesn’t approve of the marriage because Othello is black, despite the fact that Othello and Barbazion are good companions, as soon as he wants to marry his daughter, the friendship and bond they have mean nothing and is hindered by the colour of Othello Skin

You have great taste in reading material. My favourite Shakespearean play

[Bint Yusuf]

Race, Colour, Place Of Origin Does Noti Matter Faham?

How Many Fardh Rakaats Does A Asian Indian Pray For Fajr? 2

How Many Fardh Rakaats Does A East African kenyan Pray For Fajr? 2


Khalassssssssssssssssssssssss:D

[Kubs]

No more then Turk's or Arabs for that matter, but all that is a huge generalisation , because I know of Asian particular Bengali women and men with black, white and oriental partners and there family fully accept it, it’s about how we change and get rid of this cultural stigma in Islam

As far as I'm aware Turkish people generally don't mind marrying other races.

I didn't mean to generalise or offend - just curious. :)

[(*_Hamzah]

As far as I'm aware Turkish people generally don't mind marrying other races.

I didn't mean to generalise or offend - just curious. :)

Maybe I confuse Turk’s with Kurds, I don’t know why Kurd’s refer to themselves as Turkish when there obviously not, I know Turk are made up of many different ethnic groups, you didn’t offend me personally but because the majority of Muslim in the UK are made up of Indians, Pakistani and Bengali it is justified why people have these generalisations about how we like to keep everything in house so speak off.

[JLo]

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