Jihad or Marriage?

[Abbas786]

In the world we live in and I am not asking this question for myself but for all the brothers out there. Are they obligated to marry first or go to Jihad and fight in the way Allah SWT. I know some genius will say, well you can do both at the same time, then I ask the question, would it be really fair to some girl that you marry her then soon after you leave her in the way of Jihad? Don't you have certain obligations to your own family as well as the Ummah?

[algharib]

What about Jihad and marriage ?
Well, then he has to choose between two matters.

1. Marriage: Which is either preferred (according to the more famous opinion amongst the scholars) or obligatory (either because of fearing Haraam, or marriage being inherently obligatory).

2. Jihaad: Which is a collective obligation according to consensus... but in our times essentially an individual obligation (Fard 'Ayn) due to the few numbers of those who actually practice it.

If you read Abul-Fadl al-Misree's refutation of Safar al-Hawaalee, he quotes a number of scholars on the issue of what a person should do with two obligations and how to decide which deserves urgency and precedence. Obviously, a matter whose obligatory nature is disputed amongst the scholars in Asl (such as marriage) has less precedence and urgency than Jihaad whose obligatory status is agreed upon (unless someone fears certain Zinaa and has no alternative... such as the one the Salaf approved of). When I say "agreed upon," then I mean by the righteous scholars, not the palace scholars.

Similarly, an obligation which affects the whole community if abandoned (Jihaad) is given precedence and urgency over an obligation that only affect an individual (unless he fears certain Zinaa and has no alternative).

Note: I translated a verdict by Aboo Baseer at-Tartoosee in the past on this issue, but I think his words are idealistic and impractical. Yes, if one can do both, then go ahead... but I personally believe that most of those who get married will have two outcomes:

1. He will abandon Jihaad, due to a legitimate or illegitimate reason. A legitimate reason is him having to support dependants who would perish if he abandons them. An illegitimate reason is loving his wife or strong attachment to her or obeying her desires.

2. He will ruin his marriage if his faith and concern for the Ummah is overpowering his thought. He will be depressed over his condition and eventually ruin his wife's life, and in the end he will still abandon Jihaad. Finally, he might unneedingly (or unjustly) divorce her.

The alternative approved by the Salaf, some of the scholars permitted it unconditionally, others restricted it to the battlefield, or if one feared Zinaa or insanity.

I believe, particularly in our times, since those who would actually consider Jihaad are so few in number amongst the men, then they should delay marriage until either they are able to gather between the two matters or they are incapable of Jihaad for a Shar'ee reason. If someone practices this alternative (whether one believes it permissible, disliked, or a minor sin -- no scholar considered this practice a major sin) but this allows him to have the patience to go for Jihaad, that is better than him getting married and committing the major sin of abandoning Jihaad, if in his case it leads to such.

Finally, a sister might ask... what about us? How will we get married? What about the future generation of children that will grow up to be Mujaahideen?

Well:

1. There will still be brothers who are capable of both marriage and Jihaad (although I think they are very, very small in number).

2. There are still good brothers who have legitimate excuses holding them back from Jihaad.

3. Finally, you should raise your children to be Mujaahideen even if your husband is not one. Some sisters might end up marrying a "Jihaadee" brother who later becomes a layman lacking any sense of serious responsibility towards Jihaad, although he is practicing otherwise. Does that mean she changes with her husband or remains firm? Are women upon the religion of their husbands like the masses are upon the religion of their kings?

Make the intention and preparation for hijrah first then think about marriage. You never know when you could die so plan your life according to how much you can please Allah AWJ. After marrying in Dar Ul Harb you could die in an accident and never reach the lands of jihad. If you set out for the battlefield first then you are benefiting yourself and the Muslim Ummah. This is for those who are choosing between marriage and jihad right now. For those who have not even made the preparations for jihad, marriage should not be delayed if you are capable of it.

[Abu Mus'ab]

In the world we live in and I am not asking this question for myself but for all the brothers out there. Are they obligated to marry first or go to Jihad and fight in the way Allah SWT. I know some genius will say, well you can do both at the same time, then I ask the question, would it be really fair to some girl that you marry her then soon after you leave her in the way of Jihad? Don't you have certain obligations to your own family as well as the Ummah?
or you could get married to a jihadi female :outta:

[GuCcI]

or you could get married to a jihadi female :outta:


good one! and u would both go off and fight for Allah together... soooo romantic :inlove:

[Abu Mus'ab]

good one! and u would both go off and fight for Allah together... soooo romantic :inlove:
:up:

[HighDreamer]

Perhaps this Hadith might help:



Volume 5, Book 59, Number 395:

Narrated 'Uthman bin Mauhab:

A man came to perform the Hajj to (Allah's) House. Seeing some people sitting, he said, "Who are these sitting people?" Somebody said, "They are the people of Quraish." He said, "Who is the old man?" They said, "Ibn 'Umar." He went to him and said, "I want to ask you about something; will you tell me about it? I ask you with the respect due to the sanctity of this (Sacred) House, do you know that 'Uthman bin 'Affan fled on the day of Uhud?" Ibn 'Umar said, "Yes." He said, "Do you know that he (i.e. 'Uthman) was absent from the Badr (battle) and did not join it?" Ibn 'Umar said, "Yes." He said, "Do you know that he failed to be present at the Ridwan Pledge of allegiance (i.e. Pledge of allegiance at Hudaibiya) and did not witness it?" Ibn 'Umar replied, "Yes," He then said, "Allahu-Akbar!" Ibn 'Umar said, "Come along; I will inform you and explain to you what you have asked. As for the flight (of 'Uthman) on the day of Uhud, I testify that Allah forgave him. As regards his absence from the Badr (battle), he was married to the daughter of Allah's Apostle and she was ill, so the Prophet said to him, 'You will have such reward as a man who has fought the Badr battle will get, and will also have the same share of the booty.' As for his absence from the Ridwan Pledge of allegiance if there had been anybody more respected by the Meccans than 'Uthman bin 'Affan, the Prophet would surely have sent that man instead of 'Uthman. So the Prophet sent him (i.e. 'Uthman to Mecca) and the Ridwan Pledge of allegiance took place after 'Uthman had gone to Mecca. The Prophet raised his right hand saying. 'This is the hand of 'Uthman,' and clapped it over his other hand and said, "This is for 'Uthman.'" Ibn 'Umar then said (to the man), "Go now, after taking this information."

[Abu Mus'ab]

Perhaps this Hadith might help:
The hadith is not applicable here, i don't know how anyone can think it is :0:

That was a specific case only applicable to hadhrat Uthman radhiallahu anhu, he was married to rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam's daughter, and she wasn't just sick, she was very sick, she passed away before rasoolullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam returned from the battle.

"if" getting married and staying at home was an option then why is there no ayaah or ahadith to back it up?

on the contrary yes you get ayah like ayah 86 and 87 of surah tawbah, and every other ayah that speaks about the munaafiqeen.

[Abu harith]

Assalamo alaikum wr wb
there are some actual present cases that we can learn from, i mean i personally know some brother, who was realy intending and had prepared for jihad and he got married, he still continued fisabeelelah but it became very difficult for him, i mean his effort was reduced drastically. he could hav done much more, but it was Qadr of Allah.
on the other hand in shariah prespective the Jihad weighs more, and those brothers who hav problm n fear of zina, inshallah once you get to the battle field you will forget all of that. and inshallah it will be easy for you to protect yourself from shaytan, and ther wont be any semi-naked ppl like in west.

[Believer1984]

On a serious note i would never go and fight with-out having a family ...

I wana know that if i go on jihad i have completed my deen first.

So Men who go to fight with-out a family = ouch !

Brave but ouch!

I am not being too attached here ......

But i <3 the sunnah and our Prophet too did marry have children and so on.

:o

[Believer1984]

Also...

You wont ruin that womens life ...

As is shes a muslim she would understand that if you fought 4 a good cause then God has promised you heaven.

That should bring a smile on her face ... all her life.

She will be able to tell others ..

'' My Husband was a Real-Man with honour '' !

:up:

[Abandoned-Mind]

Marry there.

If the 2 most wanted men in the world can married there, I'm sure any Tom, **** or 'Abdullah could.

Anyway this topic is.... 'ajeeb.

[Believer1984]

So yes theres a genius who can tell u ...

u can do both !

Our Prophet did !

We love the sunnah !

<3

[Khadija222333]

good one! and u would both go off and fight for Allah together... soooo romantic :inlove:

Yeah. :inlove:

Actually don't you think it would be heart-breaking to see your very own husband/wife die? :crying:

[RashidD]

Yeah. :inlove:

Actually don't you think it would be heart-breaking to see your very own husband/wife die? :crying:

Not if you know the status of the Shuhadaa and that he/ she was aiming to achieve it.

[Khadija222333]

Not if you know the status of the Shuhadaa and that he/ she was aiming to achieve it.

Good point. :o

[RashidD]

Good point. :o

There's actually a very good naseeha for those who stay behind, it's in Imam Ibn Nuhaas's kitaab - it's beautifully worded et... Lemme try find it.

[Khadija222333]

There's actually a very good naseeha for those who stay behind, it's in Imam Ibn Nuhaas's kitaab - it's beautifully worded et... Lemme try find it.

Okay :hidban:

[RashidD]

• “But my beautiful wife!”
If you say: “it does not appease my soul, departing from my beautiful wife, my delight when she is close and my happiness from her love”. Give it that your wife is the most attractive of women, and the most beautiful of the people of her time, is not her beginning a despised drop? Her last a foul corpse? And between these two she is a virgin. Her menses prevent you from her for half her life, her disobedience to you is more than her obedience, if she does not wear kohl she becomes bleary eyed, if she does not adorn herself her roughness becomes apparent and if she does not comb her hair it becomes dishevelled. If she does not oil herself her radiance is extinguished, if she does not wear perfume musty is her smell, if she does not wash odorous is her odour, full of faults and quick to bore. If she advances in age she disheartens, if she grows old she becomes senile, you do your best and strive for her and she denies this if she becomes angry. As the prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) has said: “If you were to do good to one of them for a lifetime then she were to notice something bad in you, she would say: I have never seen any good from you” [Al-Bukhari]

You desire from her the foulest part of her, you fear her desertion, you fear her harshness, your love for her carries you to exhaustion and fatigue, intense misery and distress. She exposes you to the sources of destruction and you are pleased to fulfill the slightest of her whims at your destruction or that close to it. She loves you because of her needs from you, if they pass by she deserts you, she abandons you and seeks for other than you. She becomes bored with you and she makes her enmity apparent, as she says with the tongue of her condition even if she does not express it in words: “Maintain me and spend, or separate from me and divorce me!”. In summary it is impossible to enjoy her except with a twist, your relationship with her will not last except with pressure and hardship.
By Allah! What a wonder! How do you let love of her hamper you from reunion with one created from light? Raised in the shade of palaces with youths and maidens, in the abode of luxuries and happiness, by Allah! the blood of a martyr does not dry but that he has met her. His eyes delight in witnessing her glow, wide eyed, beautiful, exquisite, virgin, as if she were a ruby, no man or jinn has had sexual intercourse with her before you, her speech soft, her figure correct, her hair uniform in colour, her virility immense, her eyelids flitter. Her beauty is dazzling and radiant, her coquetishness evident, her glance darkened with kohl, beautiful her elegance, sweet her speech, marvellous her creation, splendid her manners, glowingly adorned, most gorgeous of things lawful, full of love, free of boredom, her glance created only for looking at you, so she does not look at any except you. She loves for you everything that your desires desire, if a nail of hers was to become apparent the light of the full moon would be completely extinguished and if her bracelet was to become apparent during the night, there would remain no darkness in the creation. Were that her wrist would to become apparent the whole of mankind would become enthralled and were that she would look between the earth and the sky, it would fill between the two a fragrance. Were that she would spit into the sea, it would turn to freshwater, every time you glance towards her she is enhanced in your eye in splendour and every time you sit with her, her beauty is increased with beauty. Is it befitting of a person of intelligence that he hears of her and then sits back from reunion with her??? How? And for him in paradise are wide-eyed maidens like her and more like her!
Know that separation from your wife eventually is a must, it is as if it has already happened and in paradise you shall be joined together if Allah wills. What best of joining places! And what is between you and her reaching there if she is of the righteous, except a time during which you must separate from her and that is death. You will find her in the hereafter more beautiful than the wide-eyed maidens by a factor that none knows except the Lord of the worlds. That which you despised in her gone, that which was evil in her vanished, her manners perfected, her creation beautified, more attractive, broad eyed, a beautiful radiant woman, virgin, cleaned from menses and bleeding, removed from her all types of impurities and her crookedness straightened. Her jubilation increased, her glow expanded, her virility enlarged and she is superior to the wide-eyed maidens like their superiority over her in this present abode. So turn away from her today for Allah’s cause, he will exchange her for you and if she is of the people of paradise then you must have her.

[Khadija222333]

You will find her in the hereafter more beautiful than the wide-eyed maidens by a factor that none knows except the Lord of the worlds. That which you despised in her gone, that which was evil in her vanished, her manners perfected, her creation beautified, more attractive, broad eyed, a beautiful radiant woman, virgin, cleaned from menses and bleeding, removed from her all types of impurities and her crookedness straightened. Her jubilation increased, her glow expanded, her virility enlarged and she is superior to the wide-eyed maidens like their superiority over her in this present abode. So turn away from her today for Allah’s cause, he will exchange her for you and if she is of the people of paradise then you must have her.

:inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove: :inlove:

Ohhhhh so sweet!!! :love: Masha Allah Subhan Allah! :inlove:

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

[RashidD]

Allah says:
“O Prophet, urge the believers to battle. If there are among you twenty steadfast, they will overcome two hundred. And if there are among you one hundred steadfast, they will overcome a thousand of those who have disbelieved because they are people who do not understand” (al Anfal 65)
51. We will end this chapter with the famous story of Umm Ibrahim. This story was mentioned by scholars like Abu Jaafar al Luban. He narrates:
It is mentioned that one of the righteous women in Basra was Umm Ibrahim al Hashimeeyah. The enemy attacked one of the Muslim towns so people were encouraged to join jihad. Abdul Wahid bin Zayd al Basri delivered a speech encouraging jihad and among the audience was Umm Ibrahim. Among the things Abdul Wahid talked about was al Hoor (the women of Paradise). Umm Ibrahim stood up and said to Abdul Wahid: “You know my son Ibrahim and you know that the nobility of al Basra wish to have him marry one of their daughters and I have not agreed to one of them yet. But I like this girl you described and I would be happy to marry her to my son. Can you please describe her again?”
Abdul Wahid then narrated a poem in the description of the Hoor. Umm Ibrahim said: “I want my son to marry this girl and I would pay you 10,000 dinars as her dowry and you take him with you in this army. He might die as a Shaheed and intercede for me on the Day of Judgment.” Abdul Wahid said: “If you do so, that is great success for you and your son.” She then called her son from the audience. He stood up and said: “Yes my mother!” She said: “Are you pleased to marry this girl with the condition of giving your soul to Allah?” He said: “Yes! I am very pleased!” She said: “O Allah you are my witness that I have married my son to this girl from Paradise with the condition he spends his soul in your sake” Then she went and brought back with her 10,000 dinars and gave it to Abdul Wahid and said: “This is her dowry. Take it and use it to provide for the mujahideen” She then purchased for her son a good horse and she armed him. When the army started its march Ibrahim came out with the reciters of Quran surrounding him and reciting:
“Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise.”
When Umm Ibrahim was greeting her son she told him: “Be careful and don’t allow any shortcomings from yourself to be seen by Allah” She them embraced him and kissed him and said: “May Allah never bring us together except on the Day of Judgment!”
Abdul Wahid said: “When we reached the enemy’s territory and people were called to fight. Ibrahim was in the front and he killed many of the enemy but then they overwhelmed him and killed him. On our way back I told my soldiers not to tell Umm Ibrahim that her son was killed until I tell her. When we entered al Basra she met me and said: “Did Allah accept my gift so I can celebrate or was it rejected so I should cry?” I said: “Allah did accept your gift and your son died as a Shaheed” She then prostrated to thank Allah and said: “Thank you Allah for accepting my gift” The following day she came to me in the mosque and said: “Rejoice!” I said: “What good news do you have?” She said: “I saw my son Ibrahim last night in a dream. He was in a beautiful garden dressed in green clothes, sitting on a throne made of pearl and he had a crown on his head. He told me: “Rejoice my mother! I got married to my bride!”

[Khadija222333]

:eek: That's sooo touching! :love: Subhan Allah! :inlove: Their faith was sooo strong! :love: Masha Allah.

[Abbas786]

or you could get married to a jihadi female :outta:

lol thats awesome

[Abbas786]

Hey, people remember, that I am only starting threads with questions that have real meaning because I was sick of seeing people talk about useless things. This isn't even relavent to my own life because I know what I have to do and I am 100% clear about it. This question is for brothers that may have to face it some day and it is good for debating. I thought I said that when I started this thread, people just don't read :S. I am kidding, but great responses, lets keep it going and see what the outcome is. So far, I say Jihad is the most important part of our life because there are millions of sisters that don't get to marry because the men they were suppose to marry go off to Jihad, how does that make any other brother different. Just my opinion but lets keep it going and see where this debate goes.

[$HugoBoss$]

Abbas you from Toronto??????

[hkrespect]

Abbas you from Toronto??????

lol, cute!!!!

[GuCcI]

lol, cute!!!!


:0: :scratch: huh? :rubeyes:

[Pro_Candy]

• “But my beautiful wife!”
If you say: “it does not appease my soul, departing from my beautiful wife, my delight when she is close and my happiness from her love”. Give it that your wife is the most attractive of women, and the most beautiful of the people of her time, is not her beginning a despised drop? Her last a foul corpse? And between these two she is a virgin. Her menses prevent you from her for half her life, her disobedience to you is more than her obedience, if she does not wear kohl she becomes bleary eyed, if she does not adorn herself her roughness becomes apparent and if she does not comb her hair it becomes dishevelled. If she does not oil herself her radiance is extinguished, if she does not wear perfume musty is her smell, if she does not wash odorous is her odour, full of faults and quick to bore. If she advances in age she disheartens, if she grows old she becomes senile, you do your best and strive for her and she denies this if she becomes angry. As the prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) has said: “If you were to do good to one of them for a lifetime then she were to notice something bad in you, she would say: I have never seen any good from you” [Al-Bukhari]

You desire from her the foulest part of her, you fear her desertion, you fear her harshness, your love for her carries you to exhaustion and fatigue, intense misery and distress. She exposes you to the sources of destruction and you are pleased to fulfill the slightest of her whims at your destruction or that close to it. She loves you because of her needs from you, if they pass by she deserts you, she abandons you and seeks for other than you. She becomes bored with you and she makes her enmity apparent, as she says with the tongue of her condition even if she does not express it in words: “Maintain me and spend, or separate from me and divorce me!”. In summary it is impossible to enjoy her except with a twist, your relationship with her will not last except with pressure and hardship.
By Allah! What a wonder! How do you let love of her hamper you from reunion with one created from light? Raised in the shade of palaces with youths and maidens, in the abode of luxuries and happiness, by Allah! the blood of a martyr does not dry but that he has met her. His eyes delight in witnessing her glow, wide eyed, beautiful, exquisite, virgin, as if she were a ruby, no man or jinn has had sexual intercourse with her before you, her speech soft, her figure correct, her hair uniform in colour, her virility immense, her eyelids flitter. Her beauty is dazzling and radiant, her coquetishness evident, her glance darkened with kohl, beautiful her elegance, sweet her speech, marvellous her creation, splendid her manners, glowingly adorned, most gorgeous of things lawful, full of love, free of boredom, her glance created only for looking at you, so she does not look at any except you. She loves for you everything that your desires desire, if a nail of hers was to become apparent the light of the full moon would be completely extinguished and if her bracelet was to become apparent during the night, there would remain no darkness in the creation. Were that her wrist would to become apparent the whole of mankind would become enthralled and were that she would look between the earth and the sky, it would fill between the two a fragrance. Were that she would spit into the sea, it would turn to freshwater, every time you glance towards her she is enhanced in your eye in splendour and every time you sit with her, her beauty is increased with beauty. Is it befitting of a person of intelligence that he hears of her and then sits back from reunion with her??? How? And for him in paradise are wide-eyed maidens like her and more like her!


Wow... way to make us women feel just absolutely wonderful about ourselves.

Yeah I understand the thread here and all. But you don't have to run women into the dirt for it, right? To talk this way about all of women's imperfections... after reading this, why would any man want a wife?

Men stink as well if they don't shower, look scraggly if they don't comb their hair, their corpses rot when they die, they have attitudes and are quick to bore as well, get angry and say 'I have never seen any good from you' in their anger, gets mental when they get old, la de da all in hardship..... yeah, it goes both ways.

This just paints women as horrible creatures. "Maintain me and spend on me or divorce me" come on, there are terrible women and there are good women, but the same can be said for men as well.

So what does all that have to do with jihad?

[hkrespect]

:0: :scratch: huh? :rubeyes:

mubin sheikh is from?

[GuCcI]

mubin sheikh is from?


wats so cute about that :rolleyes:

[$HugoBoss$]

Marriage 4 me please :inlove:

[RashidD]

Wow... way to make us women feel just absolutely wonderful about ourselves.

Yeah I understand the thread here and all. But you don't have to run women into the dirt for it, right? To talk this way about all of women's imperfections... after reading this, why would any man want a wife?

Men stink as well if they don't shower, look scraggly if they don't comb their hair, their corpses rot when they die, they have attitudes and are quick to bore as well, get angry and say 'I have never seen any good from you' in their anger, gets mental when they get old, la de da all in hardship..... yeah, it goes both ways.

This just paints women as horrible creatures. "Maintain me and spend on me or divorce me" come on, there are terrible women and there are good women, but the same can be said for men as well.

So what does all that have to do with jihad?

The point is that it's an advice to the one who sits at home for love of his wife when he should be going into the battlefield. It wasn't to run down women in any way.

[Pro_Candy]

The point is that it's an advice to the one who sits at home for love of his wife when he should be going into the battlefield. It wasn't to run down women in any way.

I understand, Bro. But it could have been put in a much better way, rather than to run women down, because it actually did just that. Just sayin :rolleyes:

[elji]

In the world we live in and I am not asking this question for myself but for all the brothers out there. Are they obligated to marry first or go to Jihad and fight in the way Allah SWT. I know some genius will say, well you can do both at the same time, then I ask the question, would it be really fair to some girl that you marry her then soon after you leave her in the way of Jihad? Don't you have certain obligations to your own family as well as the Ummah?Considering that Jihad is only allowed in self defence then yeah i would do Jihad

[algharib]

I would like to add some intresting points i found, that i believe well be beneficial to this thread insha'Allah. It's based upon Suraqah Andaulusi9rahimuhullah),the 28 year old,who was an azzam publication correspondent that was martyed in Afghanistan in 2001. Here are some quotes taken from his biography.





Quote:
His wife said that he would up get up for Tahajjud (voluntary night prayers) and recite Surah At-Taubah, reflecting upon its verses, which continued to increase his determination and solidify his resolve. His children delighted him and whenever he saw them or played with them, he would always quote the statement of Allah "wa'lamu anna amwaalakum wa awlaadakum fitnah" (your Wealth and your Children are a trial for you)* His character could best be described as saying that he was very patient and organised. If a job needed to be done, he would do it regardless of what sacrifices were required(This words were from his wife).

Quote:
One time we were speaking about families and I was telling him how difficult it always is to say goodbye to a tearful mother, not knowing whether you will meet her again in this life. He was silent for a while and then said, "No, brother, the bond between the wife and husband is a bond that is different than that of the mother and her son. It is something much stronger." I could sense that he felt a little sad when he said that, for he had told me that he had left his young wife and two young children behind, but I saw from the expression on his face that this was the sacrifice he was willing to give for the honour of this Dêen
(mentioned by his companion and friend while living in Afghanistan).

Quote:
We went to the market one day and he was looking for a gift for his wife and children. I remember him joking about how he wouldn't buy just any old clothes for his wife and that nothing was here that she would have liked! He smiled a lot that day. We walked by a shop and he saw some clothes for his son and he asked for the best quality and chose the best colour. He bought it and handed it to me and said, "I want you to get this to my kids, so that my wife and they know that I haven't forgotten them." I was taken aback by the way he said that and I can still remember the sad look on his face. I cheered him up and started joking about how we got ripped off in the market and how terrible his bargaining skills were! (mentioned by his companion and friend while living in Afghanistan).

Subhanallah.. they had wifes and they had sisters whom they loved for the Sâke of Allâh but were willing to sacrifice this fisabilillah - KNOWING they beithnillahi Tâ'ala will meet again fi Jânnatil khuld - they werent deceived by this dûnya as many are nowadays...
May Allâh Azza Wa Jâl accept them as Shuhâda’a.. Allâhuma AlHîqna Bîhim Wala Tâj3alna Mînal Qâi'îdeen.. Allâhuma Ameen

General Nâseeha: The time you have before you split – should be spend on ‘Ûbûdiyah(worship) – (and a wife pleasing her husband and a man pleasing his wife for the sake of Allâh is also ‘Ibâdah..) Remember that you beithnillahi Ta’âla will meet again fi Jânnatil Khûld with the Sîddiqeen and Shûhadaa.. Don’t let this dunya be a deception for you…

[MasjidAlHaram]

Considering that Jihad is only allowed in self defence then yeah i would do Jihad

Is it...i wonder if you ever studied Islam from Muslim scholars... you may come across the term... offence and defence jihad....

[Muwahidforever]

An Al-Qaeda Love Story:

From Morocco to Bosnia to Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, Via New Jersey


On June 17, 2005, the London Arabic-language daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat published an interview with Fatihah Mohammed Al-Taher Hosni, the wife of Moroccan Al-Qaeda member Abdel Karim Al-Tuhami Al-Majati, who was responsible for the May 2003 bombings in Riyadh and was killed last April by Saudi security forces. Fatiha herself was arrested along with one of her sons in an eye clinic in Saudi Arabia in March 2003. [1]

In the interview, Fatiha, also a Moroccan, revealed how she influenced her husband to become a Jihad fighter and how they came to Al-Qaeda. She related how they attended Jihad conferences in Europe, after which her husband went to wage Jihad in Bosnia. She and their children joined her husband, who became known as a "master of disguise," on some of his travels between Morocco, Saudi Arabia, the U.S., Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Iran – from where, she said, crossing the border into Afghanistan was "the most beautiful day of my life." It was there, she said, that they were "overjoyed" to hear about 9/11. She also related how she arranged her husband's marriage to another woman – rumored to be an American - "because my husband had the religious right to have four wives."

The following is the interview in full, in the original English translation: [2]


The Fight to Wear the Veil in Morocco

Q: "When did you first meet your husband?"

A: "I met my husband in 1990-91, when I was working as assistant manager at an institute for management studies. I had good relations with all the students. I consider myself a child of the first Gulf War, and was deeply affected by the bombing of Iraq after it invaded Kuwait. I felt that innocent Iraqis were paying the price. When the Amiriyyah shelter was bombed, and hundreds women and children killed, I couldn't help but think of the victims.

"Before becoming religious, I believed in the principles of democracy in its Western model, and in principles such as human rights, equality, and justice. I later realized that these were attractive slogans used to delude the public. The human suffering during the Gulf War made me aware of my Arab identity and awoke my religious feelings; I realized that belonging to Islam should go beyond the level of words. Prior to that, my Western upbringing meant I was constantly torn between my identity as a Muslim and the culture of the West."

Q: "How do you characterize your relationship with your husband, Karim Al-Majati, when he was studying engineering at the institute in Casablanca?"

A: "It was very casual at first, because I was seven years older than him. After a period when I wore the veil only during Friday prayers, I decided to wear it permanently. Before, I used to feel like I was shedding part of my skin every time I removed it. Without attending any religious classes, I decided, one day, to start covering myself.

"I didn't think that the manager I worked with would object to me wearing the veil, since my work was based on my competence and not on my physical appearance, and I was no fashion model or singer. The French manager, however, wasn't supportive. I also had to fight with the owners of the institute. In 1991, the veil wasn't very common in Morocco, because the Islamic revival started late in that country. The management employed various tactics and threats to make me remove my veil. The students even wrote a letter of support asking the administration to keep me in my job, as the veil had no effect on my work."

Q: "What was your husband's position on this issue?"

A: "Like the rest of the student body, he was supportive. But when the students were on vacation, Al-Majati stood by me and offered me his support when I needed it most. I was taken to the police station and pressured to resign. I refused and asked them to fire me and give me my entitlements for unfair dismissal. I believe the management wanted to make an example out of my case to discourage other women at the institute from wearing the veil. I remember that when I started to wear the veil permanently, on July 8, 1991, I had been working at the institute for a year.

"I married Al-Majati on September 25, 1991. All the events I've told you about so far took place in within a year. I believe it was God's will that I brought Al-Majati back to Islam, because before the veil issue, both of us were Muslims in name but not in practice."

Q: "What did you first think when you met your husband?"

A: "I thought he was a tall, handsome, young man with Western features. He was a role model for the European-oriented youths who dreamed of becoming an actor or a filmmaker. At the time, we were both Westernized, similar to other young non-religious Moroccans who aspired to get a good job and live abroad. For both my husband and I, our connection to God and Islam was almost non-existent.

"It wasn't until my confrontation with the institute after I decided to wear the veil that Al-Majati was introduced to religion. He asked me once, 'Why did you put yourself through so much trouble?' I answered that it wasn't me who created the problem, and added, 'This is a divine command which, as a Muslim, I should not disobey.'"

"Al-Majati didn't speak Arabic very well. When I quoted verses about the veil from the [Koran] verses Al-Nur and Al-Ahzab, he couldn't understand them. I then bought him a book as a gift, titled 'The Translation of Quranic Meanings,' and he became convinced after reading the verses and their translations. Two days later, I saw him again and was surprised to see that his thinking had radically changed. He had read the book and was touched by the word of God. I believe this was instinctive love, as God himself had planted it in his heart.

"I was spending my days at home after quitting my job, and stopped seeing Al-Majati. Then, one day, suddenly, I received a phone call from a friend who told me that he had spoken to her and told her about his wish to marry me. I looked to God for guidance and we were married soon after.

"Let me clarify at this point that during my year at the Institute, I was no ordinary secretary, as many in the media have said, in attempts to ruin my reputation.

"In fact, I had my own assistant. I was appointed after receiving a law degree, in 1985, graduating at the top of my class. My monthly salary was slightly over $US1000."

Q: "How did Al Majati act after your marriage?"

A: "We only knew each other briefly before we married, unlike others who have long illegitimate relations for years. It was as if my purpose at the institute was to meet my husband and marry him. After our wedding, Al-Majati quit his studies and introduced me to jihad. Beforehand, I had believed Islam was only about prayer and fasting."

My Husband Discovered Jihad at an Islamic Conference in Paris

Q: "When did your husband discover jihad ?"

A: "Towards the end of 1991, we traveled to Paris for a month to attend an Islamic conference where representatives from various organizations, including Hamas and the Mujahideen from Afghanistan, had gathered. There were also members of the Al-Yarmouk team for Palestinian songs. We found the atmosphere amazing. It also became evident to us that Islam was not just a religion for Arabs.

"This was at the time of the war on Bosnia, which affected my husband a lot. Together, we watched a video on the genocide in the Balkans, which moved us and increased our revolutionary fervor. Until then I hadn't known that jihad was an obligation for male Muslims.

"My husband went back to France to sell some traditional Moroccan crafts. On his return, he made clear his intention of traveling to Bosnia to fight. At first, I totally dismissed the idea. But after listening to a tape by Sheikh Sa'ad Al Buraik, I changed my opinion. I realized that in Morocco, women had many more advantages than in Europe, where people pretend to care for human rights and where women were being raped as part of a wider war against Islam."

Italy, Germany, Bosnia, and Spain
Q: "Who were the sheiks who influenced Al-Majati at that time?"

A: "In the beginning, my husband's interest in jihad was based on his feelings. When he saw Muslims being killed in Bosnia, he decided to fight on their behalf, without having received any military training. I couldn't stop him, especially after seeing footage from the Balkans. I agreed to let him go and didn't expect him to return. However, he did return and asked me to accompany him on his next trip.

"I obtained a visa to Italy, but the German authorities didn't allow me into their country. My husband tried to enter Bosnia once more, but was sent back because the borders were shut. We went back to Morocco and he was very disappointed.

"One day, when I was pregnant with my second son Adam, my husband disappeared. After some time, I learned that he had been arrested in Croatia, on the border with Bosnia. Despite his European looks, the authorities knew immediately that he was an Arab on jihad. He was held captive and tortured for a month."

Q: "Did your husband meet any Afghan Mujahideen while in Bosnia?"

A: "No. The country was teeming with European Muslims, especially from Germany and Italy. My husband spent time in prison with a British Muslim, whom he asked to contact the French embassy. Eventually, the French did intervene and he was released.

"He returned to Morocco and was bitterly disappointed. He said he was banned from returning to Bosnia for five years. After this experience, Al-Majati traveled to Afghanistan."

Q: "When did he first visit Afghanistan?"

A: "In the beginning of 1994, my husband left for Mecca on pilgrimage. From there, he traveled to Afghanistan, where he received military training at the Khalden Camp. He contracted malaria and returned home very skinny. He spent some time in hospital in Casablanca and continued to suffer from fever after he was discharged."

An Invitation to the U.S.

Q: "Did his parents know he was in Afghanistan?"

A: "No, his family was unaware that he was traveling for jihad. His father didn't even know we were married at first. There was no way I could tell him that his son was engaged in jihad in Afghanistan. He became suspicious after Al-Majati returned looking very ill, and he wouldn't believe that his son became ill in Saudi Arabia as 'it is a clean country.' I was then suffering from cancer and my husband had to stay by my side. Afterwards, he accepted an invitation to visit the U.S., and kept in touch for some time, until we heard nothing."

Q: "Where did he stay when in the U.S.?"

A: "He was in New Jersey but then he left for Afghanistan."

Q: "What year did that happen?"

A: "I'm very bad with dates; I think it was around 1997. He returned home asking me to accompany him. But I was bedridden with pneumonia. When he visited me and the children, I always felt he was preoccupied with something else. The last time he came back, he asked me to follow him to Afghanistan. We left Morocco for good on July 17, 2001, not wanting to return."

Q: "Which countries did you visit on your way to Afghanistan?"

A: "First, we went to Sebta in Spain, where we stayed for two weeks, awaiting a visa to Iran. We were meant to fly to Iran via Italy, but were unable to do so. Instead, we boarded a plane from Frankfurt, the next day. We spent a day in Tehran and then crossed the border into Afghanistan on a Friday.

"It was the most beautiful day of my life. The first thing we saw in the horizon was a mosque with a blue dome and a banner reading 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger.' The Afghans we first met immediately knew we were Arabs and made us feel welcome."

Q: "Do you mean people from the Pashtun tribe (an ethno-linguistic group of people, mainly in eastern and southern Afghanistan)?"

A: "Yes, since most of the Taliban are Pashtun. They gave my husband and children tea and sweets. The ruler of the border town wrote us a letter of recommendation to the governor of Heart [sic], where we were headed."

Q: "Did your husband already know them?"

A: "No, he usually entered Afghanistan from the border with Pakistan."

An Attempt to Meet Osama bin Laden

Q: "Where did you go after visiting Heart [sic]?"

A: "We were meant to go to Kabul but my husband decided to go to Kandahar, instead, to pay Osama bin Laden a visit. When we arrived in the city, he'd already left for the capital. This was a few days before the events of September 11. In total, we spent about forty days in Kandahar."

Q: "I presume you were the hosts of Al-Qaeda?"

A: "No, my husband wasn't a member of the organization at the time."

Q: "When did his involvement with Al-Qaeda begin, then?"

A: "To be honest, it was only after the U.S. bombings of Afghanistan that we established contact with Al-Qaeda. We were settled in Kabul, and everyone knows Al-Qaeda's headquarters were in Kandahar. Al-Majati didn't want to become involved with any group yet. His plan was for us to stay in Kabul for a year and then move to Kandahar, but the war disrupted everything."



We Were Overjoyed At 9/11

Q: "How did your husband react to the attacks of September 11?"

A: "We received orders to gather our belongings and leave the city, a few days before the attacks. When Northern Alliance Commander Ahmad Shah Masud was killed, we thought that was the reason behind these instructions. On September 11, I received the news in the afternoon, local Kabul time. Women and children were hurried into trucks, and we all left the city. That same night, the airport in the capital was bombed. We then moved to the nearby Lugar region, where life was difficult because of the lack of food and water and the excessive heat. Afterwards, we went to Halmund, close to Kandahar, and after the war started we left the country altogether."

Q: "How did your husband feel when he heard of the attacks on September 11?"

A: "To be totally honest, we were overjoyed."

Q: "Did your husband know that Al-Qaeda was behind these attacks?"

A: "When the planes were hijacked, my husband had no relationship with Al-Qaeda. I am sure the operation must have been meticulously planned and kept secret. An attack on this scale would be impossible to carry out if it became common knowledge. This is also the case with the bombings in Casablanca on May 26, 2003. It's impossible for hundreds of people to know about it because it has to remain a secret.

"When an attack on Afghanistan became imminent, my husband decided to go to Kabul, and the children and I left for Kandahar. He soon joined us, and we joined other families as part of Al-Qaeda. When U.S. bombs started to fall, my husband started his jihad mission."

Q: "Intelligence reports indicate your husband was taught how to make explosives and booby traps. According to you, Al Mataji only joined Al-Qaeda in 2001. Who else trained him then?"

A: "The term Al-Qaeda wasn't used when my husband first went to Afghanistan in 1994, during the civil war. The organization only became important after the bombing of the USS Cole destroyer in Yemen in 2000."

Q: "What happened to you after leaving Afghanistan?"

A: "We traveled to Bangladesh, thinking it would be a temporary move. We had initially planned on escaping from Afghanistan through Turkey, but it wasn't to be. We stayed in Bangladesh for ten months, after my husband's passport was confiscated by the French Embassy."

Q: "Why did that happen?"

A: "I obtained a one-year French visa from the embassy in Bangladesh. Our passports were confiscated as we were buying our tickets. I believe they realized we'd detached a fake Pakistani visa from our passports, and became suspicious."

Q: "What did you do in Bangladesh?"

A: "The people were very kindhearted and welcoming. But we stood out; my husband is almost two meters tall and has fair skin, while the locals are mostly short and dark-skinned. We rented an apartment in Dhaka and hid, until we left for Riyadh."

Saudi Arabia and How My Husband Made the Saudi Most Wanted List

Q: "How did you enter Saudi Arabia?"

A: "We used fake passports. Since the events of September 11, the U.S. had been waging a global war on the people of Afghanistan and the Arab world. Our life in the Saudi capital was hard. We were warned, by a friend of my husband whom I didn't know, of the dangers and the numerous checkpoints dotted around the city. He told us it would be impossible to go on the pilgrimage and that all the Mujahideen fighters in Saudi Arabia were subjected to intimidation, but none had resorted to violence.

"On March 23, 2003, I was arrested while visiting an eye clinic with my son Ilyas, before any bombings had occurred. I believe that the violence that followed is, in part, a response to the constant surveillance and harassment by the authorities. Certainly after Al-Qaeda received the news of my arrest, it wouldn't have stood still."

Q: "Does this mean that your arrest by the Saudi authorities was one of the reasons for the Riyadh bombings?"

A: "After my arrest, my ties with my husband and with my other son were
completely severed. Anybody who is on the run and who at the same time has his wife and son unjustly taken from him will have some kind of negative reaction. I'm sure that one of the perpetrators of the Riyadh bombings did not intend to execute the operation."

Q: "How [are you sure]?"

A: "Because he had stayed at our home, and my husband had asked me to help him find a wife. When I asked my husband how could I find him a wife when he might be involved in an operation, my husband answered that there were no plans for him to be involved in any operation, and that he was not involved in any specific programs. So when I heard that he was involved in the Riyadh bombings I was very surprised."

Q: "Who is this man?"

A: "He was Khaled Al-Jehni, the man heading the list of the 26 most wanted.
When I was arrested, the Saudi authorities did not know back then that Al-Majati was on Saudi soil, and thought that Khaled would be with me."

Q: "After the Riyadh bombings, Morocco went through its own bombings in Casablanca. Your husband was accused of planning these operations and the Moroccan authorities issued a search warrant for him. Among what was said was that he was working with Youssef Fekri's group who were re-tried after the terrorist attacks. Did you know that your husband had trained any Militant elements?"

A: "First of all, when the Casablanca bombings took place, I was detained, and they only brought me Al-Sharq Al-Awsat in my cell, so my information was limited. I heard back then many things said about my husband, including his responsibility for the Riyadh, Casablanca, and Madrid explosions. These are very strange allegations, since my husband died in the land of the two Holy Mosques [Saudi Arabia]. Even if I was not his wife, I would use common sense: How could a man almost two meters tall disguise himself as a woman? How could he easily get out of Saudi [Arabia], enter Morocco to carry out the Casablanca bombings, then go off to Madrid to carry out the explosions there, and then return to Saudi [Arabia]?"

Q: "But what is known about your husband is that he was a master of disguise and was fluent in several languages."

A: "Disguise is easier for women. The most my husband could have done was change his eye color. However, this was not the case with my husband. How could someone on the run from most intelligence agencies safely carry out all these operations?"



Meeting Abu Hafs

Q: "Was your husband attending the religious lectures of Abu Huzaifah (the sheikh of North African Afghans) and Abdel Wahab Al Rafiqi (known as Abu Hafs)? Is it true that he argued with them about the nature of jihad, because he saw jihad as an obligation against local regimes while they focused on open form jihad?"

A: "Practically speaking, my husband is not a complicated man, as he did not attend university. He did attend regular classes in Islamic law, and even had difficulties in spoken Arabic. I do not think he argued with any of those imams. Sheikh Abu Huzaifah did not, according to my knowledge, give public lectures.

"I would like to clarify one thing: Since my husband decided to take us with him to Afghanistan, this probably meant he had not planned anything in Morocco. Besides, he went in and out of Morocco freely, and was only stopped once, when they found a Pakistani visa in his passport and one of Sheikh Abdullah Azzam's books."

Q: "Was this before September 11?"

A: "Yes, of course. In fact, my husband never returned to Morocco after July 2001."

Q: "Who were the Sheikhs that left an impact on Al-Majati?"

A: "Mostly Sa'ad Al Boraiek and Abdullah Azzam, who opened new horizons for the issue of jihad. These horizons are necessary to fight Bush and Sharon, whose only strategy is war."

Q: "Does this mean that Muhammad Al-Maqdisi did not influence him?"

A: "Occasionally we downloaded some of his texts from the Internet. However, my husband did not read these texts, as his perception of jihad was more spontaneous."

Q: "However, these Sheikhs have an ability to influence others; for example, Muhammad Al-Maqdisi influenced Abu Mussa'ab Al Zarqawi. It was also said that your husband was close to Zarqawi."

A: "Jihad is not a local issue, because there were many nationalities in Afghanistan and because we are all one Nation (Ummah). As far as I know, my husband did not have any ties with Al-Zarqawi. When I left him in Saudi Arabia, I was surprised that he did not go to fight in Iraq, as he had always wished to fight the Americans in war."

Q: "Was Al-Majati of the founders of the Moroccan Jihadist Islamic Group in Afghanistan in the late 90s?"

A: "No, my husband has nothing to do with this group or any other. He only belongs to Al-Qaeda."

Q: "Right after the Madrid bombings, Al-Majati's name was widely circulated as the mastermind behind these operations. What do you know about these operations?"

A: "I have been apart from my husband since March 23, 2003. International intelligence knew that I had no connection with him since then, because I am constantly watched. My husband was accused of everything – Saudi [Arabia], Morocco, Madrid, September 11, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, you name it. Was he behind all these bombings? This is an exaggeration and [it is] a global policy to attach the terrorism label to everyone. If I was told that my husband killed Americans, I'd say, yes he did, but he never killed any Muslims."

Q: "What was your husband's position on the Madrid bombings?"

A: "Al-Qaeda now operates in separate groups. Those in Spain operate only there, those in Turkey only there etc. When I learnt of my husband's death in Al-Ras, I was not surprised, as I had left him in Saudi [Arabia]. When his house was attacked, he had one of two options: to surrender or to die. He chose the latter. The belief that my husband took part in all these operations is evidence of the impotence of international intelligence. Khaled Al-Jehni was put on the wanted list because he appeared on a videotape kissing a rifle, even though
he neither killed anyone nor blew up anything."



An American Wife in Britain?

Q: "What is the story about your husband's American wife?"

A: "Al-Majati was not married to an American woman. I had not wished to speak about this topic, but the death of my husband and son have made me break my silence. However, Al-Majati had a second wife from Morocco, and she is a friend of mine, since I arranged this marriage."

Q: "Why?"

A: "Because my husband had the religious right to have four wives. Also, during the time we were in Afghanistan, I spoke with him about polygamy several times but he always avoided the subject. His second wife is called Fatihah Al Hawshy, and she has Belgian citizenship. Since Al-Majati was killed, I have maintained good relations with her."

Q: "Where does she live now?"

A: "In Britain."

[algharib]

Dua is the weapon of the believer; it is not impossible for Allah to make it happen.Advice i heard once which i thought was wonderful was for the one who seeks both marriage and jihad to marry in the land of jihad itself, as he would be more likely to find a sister who would support him [or even participate herself] and at the same time it is a great way to form bonds with the mujahideen and the people there, gain their trust etc.. wallahu alam,in any case, may Allah assist you all. ameen.make the intention and preparation for hijrah first then think about marriage. You never know when you could die so plan your life according to how much you can please Allah AWJ. After marrying in Dar Ul Harb you could die in an accident and never reach the lands of jihad. If you set out for the battlefield first then you are benefiting yourself and the Muslim Ummah. This is for those who are choosing between marriage and jihad right now. For those who have not even made the preparations for jihad, marriage should not be delayed if you are capable of it.

[THE PATH 2]

In the world we live in and I am not asking this question for myself but for all the brothers out there. Are they obligated to marry first or go to Jihad and fight in the way Allah SWT. I know some genius will say, well you can do both at the same time, then I ask the question, would it be really fair to some girl that you marry her then soon after you leave her in the way of Jihad? Don't you have certain obligations to your own family as well as the Ummah?

marriage and its responsibilities and discipline and trials will make you a MAN

in jihaad ..men were needed

not angry boys

[Believer1984]

marriage and its responsibilities and discipline and trials will make you a MAN

in jihaad ..men were needed

not angry boys

well said.

[Abbas786]

Abbas you from Toronto??????

Nope

[Abbas786]

Abbas you from Toronto??????

By the way, next time you compare me to that loser from Toronto, just be careful, every Muslim has limits, and you are very close to crossing those limits. Don't mean to be rude but I am just taking a wild guess and could say the same thing about you, you sure you aren't part of CSIS or CIA? Cuz, it sure seems like it.

[Lone Wolf]

Does this include Cyber Jihad?

Do keyboard warriors and mouse mat martyrs have to decide between the PC and the nikkah too?

[Islamiyyah]

Does this include Cyber Jihad?

Do keyboard warriors and mouse mat martyrs have to decide between the PC and the nikkah too?

That made me chuckle :)

:rolleyes:

[Kubs]

Does this include Cyber Jihad?

Do keyboard warriors and mouse mat martyrs have to decide between the PC and the nikkah too?

That is a very difficult question.