View Full Version : To All Muslims... Are you Really Muslims?
unique_zenab
29-09-07, 07:39 AM
Be Like Muslim Not Kaffir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2shCnK8DIw&mode=related&search=
hammerofthehuns
29-09-07, 05:00 PM
barakAllahu feeki sis, i rate this brother Sheikh Feiz mashaAllah,
http://www.kalamullah.com/feiz-muhammad.html
lots of other great talks by the sheikh too mashaAllah
this guys has too much hate.. too much for his own good. no disrespect but thats just what i think.
He mentions that we dress and look like the kufar hence making us less muslims. (Im assuming he means not keeping a beard and wearing trousers and waht not) Well according to that then i guess he dosent regard the prophet any good as the prophet had a beard, something that Abu Jahil also had. "Copying the kufar". And Abu Jahil was an opressor "the worst of all kind"
He just dosent, nor do his arguments make any sense and are purely emotionally driven.
Yeah. The interesting thing is he talks about Iraq.. Americans fighting Muslims, but the fact is most major insurgent groups are bashists or bathist supported.. who happen to hold communist ideals... anti-religion. They are not mujahadeen.
And he rails against police officers who are Muslims??? :confused:
Sounds like he is going a little too far with lawlessness. Islam taught us to abide by the laws of the lands we live in so long as they dont prevent us from worshipping Allah.
The basic message is okay though.. we should be Muslims, not afraid to be Muslims and not try to be like the Kufar.
Abandoned-Mind
29-09-07, 05:44 PM
Yeah. The interesting thing is he talks about Iraq.. Americans fighting Muslims, but the fact is most major insurgent groups are bashists or bathist supported.. who happen to hold communist ideals... anti-religion. They are not mujahadeen.
And he rails against police officers who are Muslims??? :confused:
Sounds like he is going a little too far with lawlessness. Islam taught us to abide by the laws of the lands we live in so long as they dont prevent us from worshipping Allah.
The basic message is okay though.. we should be Muslims, not afraid to be Muslims and not try to be like the Kufar.
Mind naming the major insurgent groups?
A_Muminah
29-09-07, 06:15 PM
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,
And he rails against police officers who are Muslims??? :confused:
Enforce a law that they should not believe in?
It is different to abide by their law if they allow you to practice their religion but not embrace it and start enforcing it as a profession.
Was-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh
Sulaiman Harun
29-09-07, 06:42 PM
:start:
:salams
this guys has too much hate.. too much for his own good. no disrespect but thats just what i think.[?quote]
He hates the kuffar as they deserve. Remember Al Baraa' is for the kuffar?
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He mentions that we dress and look like the kufar hence making us less muslims. (Im assuming he means not keeping a beard and wearing trousers and waht not) Well according to that then i guess he dosent regard the prophet any good as the prophet had a beard, something that Abu Jahil also had. "Copying the kufar". And Abu Jahil was an opressor "the worst of all kind"
The way we dress:
WHat about the stupid, filthy "cool" style of the kafirs? Why not wear a simple pant shirt which is NOT imitating the kuffar.
Keeping a beard:
"Contradict, oppose, do the opposite of what the pagans do. Trim your moustaches and allow your beards to grow."
[Sahih al-Bukhari]
SAHIH HADITH
Abu Jahal (Lai'antullah) had a beard, had a moustache of PAGAN times. PAGAN times: moustache coming over the lips which is forbidden since by that way it becomes dirty, looks wild and ugly.
So next time you slander any Sheikh, have some valid points
:start:
:salams
[quote=elji;2161976]this guys has too much hate.. too much for his own good. no disrespect but thats just what i think.[?quote]
He hates the kuffar as they deserve. Remember Al Baraa' is for the kuffar?
The way we dress:
WHat about the stupid, filthy "cool" style of the kafirs? Why not wear a simple pant shirt which is NOT imitating the kuffar.
Keeping a beard:"Contradict, oppose, do the opposite of what the pagans do. Trim your moustaches and allow your beards to grow." [Sahih al-Bukhari]SAHIH HADITH
Abu Jahal (Lai'antullah) had a beard, had a moustache of PAGAN times. PAGAN times: moustache coming over the lips which is forbidden since by that way it becomes dirty, looks wild and ugly.
So next time you slander any Sheikh, have some valid points
Thanks for the hadith you posted. Nevertheless let me add that the prophet P.B.U.H dressed like the people of his time.
The emphazis is on not acting like the kuffar not on not dressing like them. Although let me also add that your dress must fit into the modest guidlines set in the quran. My intention was not to slander the scholar.
Sulaiman Harun
29-09-07, 07:32 PM
Imitating Kuffar includes, dreesing like them which is specifically for them.
For example: Graduation clothes (http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=21643&ln=eng&txt=graduation)
and other clothes which are for them only. Pants and shirts are not any religion's clothes. Like Priests have loose dress, Hindus and monks have the orange piece of cloth
Behaving like them, following their stupid stuff, having their manners and etc...
hammerofthehuns
29-09-07, 08:04 PM
this guys has too much hate.. too much for his own good. no disrespect but thats just what i think.
He mentions that we dress and look like the kufar hence making us less muslims. (Im assuming he means not keeping a beard and wearing trousers and waht not) Well according to that then i guess he dosent regard the prophet any good as the prophet had a beard, something that Abu Jahil also had. "Copying the kufar". And Abu Jahil was an opressor "the worst of all kind"
He just dosent, nor do his arguments make any sense and are purely emotionally driven.
u havent listened 2 the whole talk have u?
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,
Enforce a law that they should not believe in?
It is different to abide by their law if they allow you to practice their religion but not embrace it and start enforcing it as a profession.
Was-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh
I don't see why they shouldn't. After all, this profession allows them to make the environment safer for themselves, their families and the rest of the community. :up:
ilyasahabe-i
29-09-07, 10:20 PM
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29-09-07, 10:22 PM
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hammerofthehuns
29-09-07, 10:47 PM
wa aleikum salaam Ilyas:)!
hammerofthehuns
29-09-07, 10:49 PM
I don't see why they shouldn't. After all, this profession allows them to make the environment safer for themselves, their families and the rest of the community. :up:
cos they swear allegiance 2 a kafira queen and enforce taghuti laws, obeying the laws of the land is one thing, being pleased with them and enforcing them is another thing altogether
cos they swear allegiance 2 a kafira queen and enforce taghuti laws, obeying the laws of the land is one thing, being pleased with them and enforcing them is another thing altogether
If the laws are fair and allow people to practise their religions, then I don't see the problem in helping to maintain a safe, pleasant environment for the family and the community.
Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 12:08 AM
Well according to that then i guess he dosent regard the prophet any good as the prophet had a beard, something that Abu Jahil also had. "Copying the kufar". And Abu Jahil was an opressor "the worst of all kind"
The Prophet didnt come to set a dress code. He didnt say this is a new style of dress that I've invented specifically for Muslims to wear :rolleyes:
Still try to explain that to ur average fundo and it'll go in one ear and out the other.
They just cant seem to grasp something as basic as that!
Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 12:20 AM
The guy looks and talks like a thug.
Sounds more like a playground bully than a religious lecture.
He talks for 6 minutes and doesnt say anything, total waste of time!
The Prophet didnt come to set a dress code. He didnt say this is a new style of dress that I've invented specifically for Muslims to wear :rolleyes:
Still try to explain that to ur average fundo and it'll go in one ear and out the other.
They just cant seem to grasp something as basic as that!
Thats exactly my point. Thank you
Sulaiman Harun
30-09-07, 01:01 AM
The guy looks and talks like a thug.
Sounds more like a playground bully than a religious lecture.
He talks for 6 minutes and doesnt say anything, total waste of time!
Behave yourself mister wolf! May Allah (SWT) give you what you deserve! Allahumma Ameen!
Thats exactly my point. Thank you
But he :saw: came to tell us to NOT do, imitate kuffar
Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 01:07 AM
But he :saw: came to tell us to NOT do, imitate kuffar
Yes he did but yet he dressed in traditional Arabic clothes, what does that tell you?
That dress code isnt what he was on about!! It's imitating the actions and mindset of the Kuffar that he was talking about :up:
Sulaiman Harun
30-09-07, 01:13 AM
imitating them includes dressing as well bhai sahab
Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 01:17 AM
imitating them includes dressing as well bhai sahab
Then why did he dress like the kaffir of his time :rolleyes:
dunya_or_akhira
30-09-07, 01:22 AM
If the laws are fair and allow people to practise their religions, then I don't see the problem in helping to maintain a safe, pleasant environment for the family and the community.
Police officers have to obide by their contract or oath they make when they join the force
Imagine your a police officer who has been told to help in the raid of a masjid
Or to arrest a muslim brother who is giving a lecture about homosexuality as it offends the homosexuals
I agree muslims should abide by all the laws in the country they live in as long as they are not against the laws of Islam
dunya_or_akhira
30-09-07, 01:23 AM
Then why did he dress like the kaffir of his time :rolleyes:
The prophet pbuh trimmed his moustache....making muslims different
The prophet pbuh wore his clothes above his uncles unlike the kuffar...
How can that not be different considering the prophet pbuh dressed modestly, how can that not be different to the people of his pbuh time
Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 01:36 AM
The prophet pbuh wore his clothes above his uncles unlike the kuffar...
Read that back to yourself.
Hitching ur clothes above ur ankles is not the same as wearing entirely different clothes.
Compare that to the way some Muslims today, dress like they're in 7th century Arabia, is it a fair comparison?
The Prophet made small adjustments to the existing clothes of the jahil Arabs, he didnt introduce a brand new style of dress.
dunya_or_akhira
30-09-07, 02:32 AM
Yes but that was the time Islam was at its peak, the so called modernist muslims and non muslims who talk about being-in with the times dont realise that the most modern and best of times for a muslim were 14-1500 years ago... Peak of Islamic Civilisation...with the greatest of creation as the leader
I would rather been around in them times with the prophet pbuh because to me progress is being closer to Allah swt..not in materialistic things unless they help you in your deen
So for muslims of today, we should try to emulate how the prophet pbuh as much as we can which includes dress, personality and actions
:start:
:salams
He hates the kuffar as they deserve.
From what I understand of the biographical details of your life, neither were you forced physically to move to Canada, nor are you at present physically restrained from leaving Canada.
And yet, there you sit, surrounded by many thousands of kufaar whom you hate and whom you believe entirely deserving of your hatred. How very difficult for you.:(
I certainly hope you have the integrity and courage to inform your non-Muslim neighbors and instructors that you hate them and that you believe they deserve to be hated by all Muslims.
It would appear the height of hypocrisy to walk around smiling at these kufaar while silently hating them with every shred of your being.
Be brave. Be honest. Share with them what you believe.
ilyasahabe-i
30-09-07, 10:46 AM
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From what I understand of the biographical details of your life, neither were you forced physically to move to Canada, nor are you at present physically restrained from leaving Canada.
And yet, there you sit, surrounded by many thousands of kufaar whom you hate and whom you believe entirely deserving of your hatred. How very difficult for you.:(
I certainly hope you have the integrity and courage to inform your non-Muslim neighbors and instructors that you hate them and that you believe they deserve to be hated by all Muslims.
It would appear the height of hypocrisy to walk around smiling at these kufaar while silently hating them with every shred of your being.
Be brave. Be honest. Share with them what you believe.
Be brave? Sulaiman Harun? pff.. according to him he cant look up at a kafir when he is walking cause it infringes on his faith.
salahuldin786
30-09-07, 11:49 AM
As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,
Enforce a law that they should not believe in?
It is different to abide by their law if they allow you to practice their religion but not embrace it and start enforcing it as a profession.
Was-salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh
if you have muslim police officer's they can explain to other police member's how to treat the muslim people and there faith would you have muslim officer's patroling the street's or non muslim officer's who dont know nothing about are faith.
salahuldin786
30-09-07, 11:54 AM
Be brave? Sulaiman Harun? pff.. according to him he cant look up at a kafir when he is walking cause it infringes on his faith.
two hate's dont make a right, we are muslim's we should show the kuffar how we are pleasent people and we are not bad and evil the way the media make us to be,
if we set a good example and maybe they will see the light of islam.
hammerofthehuns
30-09-07, 12:19 PM
if you have muslim police officer's they can explain to other police member's how to treat the muslim people and there faith would you have muslim officer's patroling the street's or non muslim officer's who dont know nothing about are faith.
i would definitley rather muslims didnt swear allegiance 2 the kuffaar
hammerofthehuns
30-09-07, 12:21 PM
Be brave? Sulaiman Harun? pff.. according to him he cant look up at a kafir when he is walking cause it infringes on his faith.
:confused:
i would definitley rather muslims didnt swear allegiance 2 the kuffaar
This is another of those examples where fear and hatred of the kufaar without doubt oppresses Muslims.
A Muslim woman is sexually assaulted brutally.
In order to bring the perpetrators to justice, and likely prevent other such sexual assaults on Muslim women, the police need to gather as much detailed and accurate information possible about the assault.
Would a Muslim woman be more likely to be entirely forthcoming with a non-Muslim detective or with a Muslim detective?
Here in the U.S., in large cities, the police try to be as sensitive as possible to the religious beliefs and cultural practices of the victims of sexual crimes.
Why do Muslim victims not deserve the best possible treatment by the criminal justice system?
You can't complain that the police are insensitive to Muslims and Islamic concerns if at the same time you believe that Muslims shouldn't serve as police or detectives.
Sulaiman Harun
30-09-07, 11:36 PM
From what I understand of the biographical details of your life, neither were you forced physically to move to Canada, nor are you at present physically restrained from leaving Canada.
And yet, there you sit, surrounded by many thousands of kufaar whom you hate and whom you believe entirely deserving of your hatred. How very difficult for you.:(
I certainly hope you have the integrity and courage to inform your non-Muslim neighbors and instructors that you hate them and that you believe they deserve to be hated by all Muslims.
It would appear the height of hypocrisy to walk around smiling at these kufaar while silently hating them with every shred of your being.
Be brave. Be honest. Share with them what you believe.
Stop being sarcastic!
Be brave? Sulaiman Harun? pff.. according to him he cant look up at a kafir when he is walking cause it infringes on his faith.
And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.
{Noble Qur'an 25:63}
May Allah (SWT) guide you to Sirat al-Mustaqeem. Ameen!
hammerofthehuns
01-10-07, 09:09 AM
This is another of those examples where fear and hatred of the kufaar without doubt oppresses Muslims.
A Muslim woman is sexually assaulted brutally.
In order to bring the perpetrators to justice, and likely prevent other such sexual assaults on Muslim women, the police need to gather as much detailed and accurate information possible about the assault.
Would a Muslim woman be more likely to be entirely forthcoming with a non-Muslim detective or with a Muslim detective?
Here in the U.S., in large cities, the police try to be as sensitive as possible to the religious beliefs and cultural practices of the victims of sexual crimes.
Why do Muslim victims not deserve the best possible treatment by the criminal justice system?
You can't complain that the police are insensitive to Muslims and Islamic concerns if at the same time you believe that Muslims shouldn't serve as police or detectives.
i dont think its gonna make a lot of difference 2 that women 2 be honest Cashew, in fact 4 me, id rather deal with a outright kaafir officer anyday than some uncle tom.
ive met very pleasant police officers, both before and since embracing Islam, but ive little time for uncle toms.
Believer1984
05-10-07, 02:46 AM
well said sheikh.
<3
xzaifir
05-10-07, 02:51 AM
I'm an Muslim :P! From Malaysia :P! :hidban:
Baybars
06-10-07, 09:10 PM
The Prophet didnt come to set a dress code. He didnt say this is a new style of dress that I've invented specifically for Muslims to wear :rolleyes:
Still try to explain that to ur average fundo and it'll go in one ear and out the other.
They just cant seem to grasp something as basic as that!
That's a very good point, and one that most people don't think about. :up:
Baybars
06-10-07, 09:19 PM
May Allah (SWT) guide you to Sirat al-Mustaqeem. Ameen!
What about you brother? Do you want to be guided, or perhaps you're so sure that you are guided, you don't need anymore guidance.
Who's to say who is guided and who is not? Definitely not anyone of us. Get over yourself bro.
Neena77
09-10-07, 11:22 PM
The guy looks and talks like a thug.
Sounds more like a playground bully than a religious lecture.
He talks for 6 minutes and doesnt say anything, total waste of time!
I thought I was the only one who was a little unimpressed with his ott thug like speech....that kind of talk never inspires me to listen.....
Glad to know I was'nt the only one...
I havnt listened to this particular lecture but I have listened to lectures from this sheik so I know his 'style'. I would say the reason behind saying 'dont dress as the kuffar do' is the whole issue of if you're gonna imitate someone there's gotta be a reason why you want to do that - many people decide to dress in say jeans and a sweatshirt to fit in to the crowd, to go unnoticed by others, to not draw attention to themselves, if thats what everyone else is doing then whats wrong with it, kinda thing. The problem starts when you dress the same as the kuffar and they then see you as the same as them and expect you to behave the same as them in different situations - but you dont - and then they ask why and then maybe you start thinking - well why dont I..and so on. If however you dress differently you are immediately noticed as being different. Some people cannot handle this - they dont want the attention on them - or they dont want to be noticed as being different to the crowd. Having listened to this style of the lecture before I would say what sounds 'thug-ish' is actually trying to warn/tell people that there is no need to be afraid to dress to be recognised as a muslim- we should be proud of the fact that we follow Islam, not try to hide it away. It is hard to do this if you are say a shy person as you may feel quite alone esp if you work/stud in an area with mostly non-muslims - but then you need encouragement to build up confidence. If the sheik speaks with great emotion and emphasis its only to get a point across - after all if you have something you feel strongly about, wont you want to use all your energy to tell others?
Dressing differently can be thought of as another way in which we can remind ourselves daily that 'I am a muslim'. I know that since I wore hijab I remember this now constantly and for me it helps me to behave more as a good muslim should :) The clothes we wear give an impression of who we are to everyone else - for example you see someone in dirty, old clothes and we naturally assume they are poor, we see someone in an expensive suit or designer clothes and we link that they must be well off. Before anything else, before we are profesionals of any kind, doctors, teachers, lawyers, before we are a sister, brother, parent, uncle, aunt or cousin- we are muslim and we must remember this - and the way we look should reflect this.
unique_zenab
10-10-07, 07:41 AM
I thought I was the only one who was a little unimpressed with his ott thug like speech....that kind of talk never inspires me to listen.....
Glad to know I was'nt the only one...
ott thug like speech?
He is right, he comes straight to the point of matters
Everyone who is insulting him.....run before Ibn Khattab gets ya! :D
but seriously why would you want to imitate the kuffar? why dont you imitate The Prophet (SAW) although he was wearing what the tradition was, if you love him (SAW) then imitate him and if you love the kuffar then imitate them, but know that one will be resurrected with whom he loves, i dont wanna be resurrected with snooopdog....or some Timberlake! i wanna be with the Prophet (SAW) and the sahabah
Jazakum ALlah Khayr
Wassalam Alaykum
unique_zenab
10-10-07, 08:11 AM
I Cant understand what harsh about this lec :confused:
I Cant understand what harsh about this lec :confused:
its only harsh on the ones who love the kuffar,
dont worry sis Jazakillah Khayr for the thread :up:
hammerofthehuns
10-10-07, 02:41 PM
excellent talk, excellent brother mashaAllah!
Be Like Muslim Not Kaffir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2shCnK8DIw&mode=related&search=
Isn't the "cute" spelling used in that video just another way of "imitating the kufaar"?
salsabeela
10-10-07, 06:42 PM
its only harsh on the ones who love the kuffar,
dont worry sis Jazakillah Khayr for the thread :up:
Bump to unique zenab my sis and bump to fady 123_12 :up:
:lailah:
salsabeela
10-10-07, 06:43 PM
excellent talk, excellent brother mashaAllah!
mashaAllah i agree :up:
:lailah:
hammerofthehuns
11-10-07, 06:52 AM
Khalid Yasin- nice naseeha mashaAllah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN4lFNbANPY
Sulaiman Harun
11-10-07, 07:02 AM
:start:
:salams
What about you brother? Do you want to be guided, or perhaps you're so sure that you are guided, you don't need anymore guidance.
Who's to say who is guided and who is not? Definitely not anyone of us. Get over yourself bro.
Firstly, brother calm down <smiles>
I have not said that ,"ThabarakAllah I am the guided one." I can never say that. I have no right to say that.
This brother, Lone Wolf, rejects, rebukes, insults everyone here now even a toplclass sheikh. What should have said instead? I replied in a peaceful way. I didn't misbehave. I just gave him a du'a. This du'a is no doubt needed by everyone and Allah (SWT) knows best!
Musaaddi
06-03-08, 11:49 PM
does anyone remember the story of ummar ibn alkhatab RA when he walked up to recieve the keys for the quds and whatever he was wearing had like 13 or 14 patches in it? do you really think he was trying to impress the kuffar? no! he didn't care what they thought of him and wasn't trying to fit in the crowd he only wanted to please allah SWT. yes ummar RA could have had better clothes but he decided along with all other muslims in his time that the money that will be used to buy these fancy garments could be used fee sabeel allah SWT. THINK AGAIN MUSLIMS WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO PLEASE.
SULAIMAN brother...keep up the good work, all you can do is relay the message and those who allah SWT wants will be guided
also remember the ayah... deaf, dumb, and blind they will not return
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