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ze leetle elper
25-09-07, 05:25 PM
Beyond the pale?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44136000/jpg/_44136694_ad.416.jpg The skin-lightening industry is worth at least £100m in India


By Naresh Puri
BBC News
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One of Bollywood's biggest film stars is being criticised by Asian campaigners for promoting a skin-lightening cream - a product that is now on the shelves of British shops.
The 40-second advertisement from India starts like so many others promoting razors or hair dye - but it's an ad with a very big difference.
There's a man who has no luck with the girls. He has markedly darker skin than his friends and the girl he is after. In a real song-and-dance Bollywood extravaganza, one of the biggest heart throbs of Indian cinema, Shahrukh Khan, hands over a cream to the hapless chap, along with some mild admonishment.
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Within a few weeks, the young man has turned much lighter-skinned and confident. As he strides down the road like a modern-day answer to John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever, the girls start flocking to him and chanting: "Hi handsome, hi handsome." Khan comes back into view with the product, Fair and Handsome.
The skin-lightening cream for men, along with its more feminine counterparts, has found its way into Asian supermarkets and stores in the UK.
While Khan's advert has not been shown yet in the UK, it too has made its way to British consumers via YouTube. And the product's success or failure in the British market place may say something about the nature of beauty and the politics of race.
Kiran Kaur - a Sikh human rights activist in west London, one of the epicentres of Asian cultural life in the UK - says the arrival of Fair and Handsome, with a Bollywood name in tow, is a step back in time.
'Age-old prejudices'
"The ad simply reinforces the idea that you've got to be fair to be anything in life," says Kiran. "It says that if you're fair and good looking, you'll be a wonderful daughter-in-law or husband, your skin colour determines how successful you'll be in life. The ad reinforces age-old prejudices."
The skin-lightening industry is worth at least £100m in India and the Fair-and-Handsome-for-Men range is the latest product from one of the market's big players.
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Skin colour and Asian dating (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6763443.stm)


Manufacturers say they are responding to a demand, but in recent years protests in India have seen at least one advert taken off air. Other lightening products targeted at black women have been on sale for years, some of them containing chemicals banned for years from British goods.
Actress Rani Moorthy knows first hand about the prejudice suffered by Asians with darker skin. She is currently touring the UK with her play that focuses on skin colour, Shades of Brown.
"When I was a child my grandmother took me to one side and said make sure you're good at something, no man will ever marry you for your looks," she says.
"I knew this was because I was dark skinned. It was treated as a disease and every Friday I had to have oil baths in an attempt to lighten my skin".
'A huge star'
She feels a major Bollywood star backing a skin-lightening cream will intensify the prejudice that already exists within the South Asian community, in which the darker skinned can find themselves looked down upon - just as it still happens in parts of India today.
"Deep within this 5,000-year-old culture is the thought that high ideals, nobility and high caste are associated with fair skin," she says. "Dark skin is regarded as low status and low caste."
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Should stars endorse such creams? (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=7469&edition=1)

But what chance do voices like Rani's stand against the screen presence of Shahrukh Khan? Perhaps the best measure of Khan's influence on British Asians is to look at the success of his films.
Dil Se, released in 1998, was the first Bollywood movie to make it into the British box office Top 10.
The film's key clips, including an exhilarating dance upon a moving train, have totted up more than one million hits on YouTube. Khan, a big enough brand to be known just as SRK, is the equivalent of Tom Cruise - and then some.
His Fair-and-Handsome advert won't be missed by British Asians as they follow every Bollywood move, says Sunny Hundal, the editor of Asians in Media, a website that charts the rise of British Asian culture.
'Immoral'
"Shahrukh Khan is a huge star in India and his endorsement will no doubt raise the profile of this product," he says. "Impressionable young men will get the idea that if they want to be attractive like him, they should also use it."
"The cult of media personality, especially cricket or Bollywood stars, is a much bigger phenomena in India and so brands are much more partial to celebrity endorsements.
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"But what SRK is essentially doing is confirming and promoting the condescending attitude that many Indians have towards dark-coloured skin. His endorsement is completely immoral."
Neither the manufacturers nor a spokesman for Khan would comment on his involvement in the campaign.
But Manish Shah, a distributor for Fair and Handsome says skin lightening creams are very important because "everybody wants to look really good". "They're not bad for the skin," he says. "If people have an inferiority complex because of their skin colour, then this product will really help. It does what it says. It makes you fair and handsome. There's a lot of interest in this product and quite simply it makes people look really good."

sunrise
25-09-07, 05:27 PM
subhanAllah, so ridiculous! :torture:

Kubs
25-09-07, 06:43 PM
This is unbelievably stupid.

Ste
25-09-07, 07:05 PM
Hangov

hammerofthehuns
25-09-07, 07:20 PM
as far as many white ppl are concerned, their still just 'pakis'.sad.

RaNdOm
25-09-07, 07:22 PM
:salams

but maybe they're just tryna blend in

dont people that use that end up goin kinda grey anyway :p

Ibn Khattab
25-09-07, 07:26 PM
:salams

but maybe they're just tryna blend in

dont people that use that end up goin kinda grey anyway :p

well why dont you share your experiences with us :outta:

cats
25-09-07, 07:28 PM
May people of all colors see the light and revel in their diversity. :cool:

Zesty
25-09-07, 07:32 PM
Anddd the superficialty continues! :rolleyes:
Sometimes Shahrukh does the most stupidest things.. oh wait, i think hes always been a tad stupid!

bint
25-09-07, 07:36 PM
whats happened to tall dark n handsome? :p

Zesty
25-09-07, 07:38 PM
whats happened to tall dark n handsome? :p

:o some of us still like them? looll.. im probably gona be a minority here or be seen as a tad odd (by the weird people anyway) :p but ive never had a think for fair skinned guys. As in, it makes no difference to me but i wouldnt say i am more physically attracted to someone cos they are fair.

aurorascopic
25-09-07, 09:08 PM
whats happened to tall dark n handsome? :p

I think the 'dark' part of that phrase refers to 'dark coloured hair'

bint
25-09-07, 09:10 PM
:o some of us still like them? looll.. im probably gona be a minority here or be seen as a tad odd (by the weird people anyway) :p but ive never had a think for fair skinned guys. As in, it makes no difference to me but i wouldnt say i am more physically attracted to someone cos they are fair.
im not a fussed person. but im saying. why are people picking on skin colour.

I think the 'dark' part of that phrase refers to 'dark coloured hair'
hmm..ure ryt..

but still what happened to..olive skin?:D

aurorascopic
25-09-07, 09:16 PM
im not a fussed person. but im saying. why are people picking on skin colour.


hmm..ure ryt..

but still what happened to..olive skin?:D

Mashallah olive skin is lovely. In my opinion, every skin tone is gorgeous in it's own beauty, just like I thnk every person is beautiful in their own way- no one is ugly (according to me)

People may have personal preferances but that's no reason to slander or look down upon other skin tones. All skin tones should be appreciated.

Rouz
25-09-07, 09:25 PM
This reminds me of an advert i saw on tv when in egypt over summer. I think it was this woman walks in for an interview to become a model or whatever and they reject her because of her darkish skin tone and then she comes back after using "fair & lovely" with lighter skin and she gets accepted as a model or for the job or whatever it was!!!
:smack:

.: Anna :.
25-09-07, 09:25 PM
Anyway when ppl use this cream dnt they sometimes end up with a light coloured face and normal coloured body from the neck downwards? erm unless they use for their full body? :smack:
and personally i dnt think it makes them look better.

But you know for the pale skinned ppl we also have products to make it look bit more browner (not jst fake tan bt alot of tinted moisture product which is supposed 2 build up the colour gradually especially for summer, im sure u wd hav seen these advertised aswell)

its sad if people feel they must use this in order 2 find a person to marry or whatever as their skin would be "unattractive" to everyone, they should realise that ppl have different preferences and other ppl will like them the way they are, plus some ppl do not care at all about it whether they are light or dark. The way they advertise it with the thing of "he wont get ne girls if he doesnt lighten up his skin tone" is quite bad.. im not sure that will go down well in uk if they place it on tv bc ppl will find it a bit prejudiced or racist :S

Peacenik
25-09-07, 09:30 PM
I like fair skin.

What's wrong with that ?

:)

aurorascopic
25-09-07, 09:30 PM
Anyway when ppl use this cream dnt they sometimes end up with a light coloured face and normal coloured body from the neck downwards? erm unless they use for their full body? :smack:
and personally i dnt think it makes them look better.

But you know for the pale skinned ppl we also have products to make it look bit more browner (not jst fake tan bt alot of tinted moisture product which is supposed 2 build up the colour gradually especially for summer, im sure u wd hav seen these advertised aswell)

its sad if people feel they must use this in order 2 find a person to marry or whatever as their skin would be "unattractive" to everyone, they should realise that ppl have different preferences and other ppl will like them the way they are, plus some ppl do not care at all about it whether they are light or dark. The way they advertise it with the thing of "he wont get ne girls if he doesnt lighten up his skin tone" is quite bad.. im not sure that will go down well in uk if they place it on tv bc ppl will find it a bit prejudiced or racist :S


absolutely ukhti, but in India skin colour is a BIG DEAL stemming from the hindu culture and therefore becoming Indian culture. If you look at India and Indians from a glance in India, the poorest of people are incredibly dark and those who are at the top are incredibly fair. The marriage thing is also a big issue, if you're dark it's less likely you will get proposals or someone accepting you. The reason why such adverts work in India is because that is the actual reality there! It's a sad state.

aurorascopic
25-09-07, 09:33 PM
I like fair skin.

What's wrong with that ?

:)

fair skin is beautiful, just as other skin tones- on the right people ie people who were naturally born with it.

when people use these colouring creams like making skin fair or even darker it just doesnt look right in my opinion. Kind of like when dark skinned people wear blue or grey contacts and their natural eye colour is dark brown..it looks rather scary and twisted.

Or people with incredibly dark skin dying their hair blonde

.: Anna :.
25-09-07, 09:37 PM
absolutely ukhti, but in India skin colour is a BIG DEAL stemming from the hindu culture and therefore becoming Indian culture. If you look at India and Indians from a glance in India, the poorest of people are incredibly dark and those who are at the top are incredibly fair. The marriage thing is also a big issue, if you're dark it's less likely you will get proposals or someone accepting you. The reason why such adverts work in India is because that is the actual reality there! It's a sad state.

Yeah, that is sad :(
but i jus think over here in uk ppl will pick up that the ad is wrong and they wont get away so much with that kind of advertising method if u get me, cos ppl will say its racist and complain to the tv ppl.
It is true sometimes wen u go the poorer ones r darker and mayb it is even slightly the way in the elizabethan times cos the poor ppl often work outside in the hot weather all thru the day, and the richer ones r inside chilling so the skin gets tanned less.. eg environmental factors are affecting it? but only to an extent of course cos some ppl r genetically whichever shade but having more sun exposure does bring the colour out more on both white ppl by getting a tan and asian ppl by making the shade darker..
but all the shades are nice ppl shudnt make a big deal :rolleyes:

Kubs
25-09-07, 09:42 PM
It's funny how dark skinned people spend loads of money on products to lighten their skin.....AND....fair people lie hours under the sun just to get a little tanned.

Why can't people just accept themselves for who they are? Allah created you this way for a purpose....appreciate it and stop complaining. Furthermore the money you spend on cheap products (fair and lovely) give it to the poor instead. At least they will spend it on something that is WORTH spending on.

Lone Wolf
30-09-07, 12:35 AM
Anyway when ppl use this cream dnt they sometimes end up with a light coloured face and normal coloured body from the neck downwards?

But you know for the pale skinned ppl we also have products to make it look bit more browner

Everyone is trying to get a Paki coloured tan :D

afrasayab
01-10-07, 10:33 AM
It is stupid to use such products to 'lighten-up', unfortunatly this is very common in india and pakistan. Being light is a symbol of beauty and status...

Unfortuantly in this world color and race make a big difference. This reminds me of one incident with my boss (EVP). He was new to my department and once he goes 'seems like you got a tan'. I was like 'ya, i've been playing lots of tennis', inside i was thinking, dude if you haven't noticed I am brown. I am still not sure if he thought i was from his race (white) or was just complimenting me on my tan, coz my skin was much tanned at that time from my usual color.