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shaquille20
25-09-07, 12:47 AM
Brothers, I heard that it is ok to fast in Ramadan after having a wet dream (mulk) - as in not having a shower before keeping the niyyah... Is this true or have I been misinformed?
To my knowledge, you can fast. You didnt intend to not fast, nor did you break your fast since you werent already fasting.
Just make niyyah again, Ghusl and Wudu prior to making fajr prayer and have suhur as normal.
This is my opinion however. I am not qualified to give a fatwah.
Z-Blade
25-09-07, 02:15 AM
Brothers, I heard that it is ok to fast in Ramadan after having a wet dream (mulk) - as in not having a shower before keeping the niyyah... Is this true or have I been misinformed?
:salams,
Which madhab do you follow? According to Hanafi fiqh, it does not break the fast:
"THINGS THAT DO NOT BREAK THE FAST
To eat and drink something unintentionally.
A mosquito, fly or any other object going down the throat unintentionally.
Water entering the ears.
Dust or dirt going down the throat.
Swallowing one’s own saliva.
Taking an injection.
Applying of surma (kuhl: antimony) into the eyes.
Taking a bath to keep cool.
Rubbing oil onto the body or hair.
To vomit unintentionally.
Applying itr or perfume. It is not permitted to inhale the smoke of loban or agar batti whilst fasting. It is also not permitted to smoke cigarettes or inhale its smoke.
Brushing the teeth without tooth paste or powder, e.g., using a miswak, etc.
A dream which makes ghusl wajib (necessary) does not break the fast."
So yeah it's OK to not have a shower before keeping the niyyah. For full details, check this link: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=303&CATE=6
Thanks for that Z-Blade:up:
shaquille20
25-09-07, 03:29 AM
:salams,
Which madhab do you follow? According to Hanafi fiqh, it does not break the fast:
"THINGS THAT DO NOT BREAK THE FAST
To eat and drink something unintentionally.
A mosquito, fly or any other object going down the throat unintentionally.
Water entering the ears.
Dust or dirt going down the throat.
Swallowing one’s own saliva.
Taking an injection.
Applying of surma (kuhl: antimony) into the eyes.
Taking a bath to keep cool.
Rubbing oil onto the body or hair.
To vomit unintentionally.
Applying itr or perfume. It is not permitted to inhale the smoke of loban or agar batti whilst fasting. It is also not permitted to smoke cigarettes or inhale its smoke.
Brushing the teeth without tooth paste or powder, e.g., using a miswak, etc.
A dream which makes ghusl wajib (necessary) does not break the fast."
So yeah it's OK to not have a shower before keeping the niyyah. For full details, check this link: http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=303&CATE=6
Assalamu aleikum bro... I follow the Shafi Madhab
HighDreamer
25-09-07, 04:42 AM
Brothers, I heard that it is ok to fast in Ramadan after having a wet dream (mulk) - as in not having a shower before keeping the niyyah... Is this true or have I been misinformed?
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:salams
How would you go for the Fajr prayer then?
However, if you are saying that the person wakes up just before Adhaan and finds that he has no time left to perform Ghusl (shower) before making the Niyyah, then there are two possibilities:
1. This happens before the first day of Ramadaan, ie the first Saum.
2. This happens on any other day of Ramadaan.
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(33) Niyyah (intention) is a required condition in fard (obligatory) fasts, and in other obligatory fasts such as making up missed fasts or fasts done as an act of expiation (kafaarah), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no fast for the person who did not intend to fast from the night before.” (Reported by Abu Dawood, no. 2454. A number of the scholars, such as al-Bukhaari, al-Nisaa'i, al-Tirmidhi and others thought it was likely to be mawqoof. See Talkhees al-Hubayr, 2/188)
The intention may be made at any point during the night, even if it is just a moment before Fajr. Niyyah means the resolution in the heart to do something; speaking it aloud is bid’ah (a reprehensible innovation), and anyone who knows that tomorrow is one of the days of Ramadaan and wants to fast has made the intention. (Majmoo’ Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam, 25/215). If a person intends to break his fast during the day but does not do so, then according to the most correct opinion, his fast is not adversely affected by this; he is like a person who wants to speak during the prayer but does not speak. Some of the scholars think that he is not fasting as soon as he stops intending to fast, so to be on the safe side, he should make up that fast later on. Apostasy, however, invalidates the intention; there is no dispute on this matter.
The person who is fasting Ramadaan does not need to repeat the intention every night during Ramadaan; it is sufficient to have the intention at the beginning of the month. If the intention is interrupted by breaking the fast due to travel or sickness – for example – he has to renew the intention to fast when the reason for breaking the fast is no longer present.
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(50) If morning comes and a person is in a state of janaabah (impurity following sexual intercourse), this does not affect his fasting. He or she is permitted to delay doing ghusl, whether it is for janaabah or following menstruation or post-natal bleeding, until after the sun has come up, but it is better to hasten to do ghusl so that one can pray.
(51) If a person who is fasting sleeps and experiences a wet dream, this does not break his fast, according to scholarly consensus (ijmaa’), so he should complete his fast. Delaying doing ghusl does not break the fast, but he should hasten to do ghusl so that he can pray and so that the anegls will draw close to him.
Source (http://allaahuakbar.in/article_read.asp?id=794)
It appears (see my Q. later on) that in case of 1, he would have to make up for the fast. Otherwise, if he has made Niyyah on the first night (ie before the first day of Ramadhaan), it appears he does not need to repeat the Niyyah every day.
Allah knows best.
However, I still have one doubt:
Q. Is Tahaarah (purity) necessary just for making the Niyyah for fasting?
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:salams
To my knowledge, you can fast. You didnt intend to not fast, nor did you break your fast since you werent already fasting.
Just make niyyah again, Ghusl and Wudu prior to making fajr prayer and have suhur as normal.
This is my opinion however. I am not qualified to give a fatwah.
Brother if your not qualified to give a fatwah maybe we should leave it to those who are qualified.
Z-Blade
25-09-07, 08:47 PM
Assalamu aleikum bro... I follow the Shafi Madhab
:salams,
This is from the Shafii madhab:
"2. Integrals of the fast
It is valid to intend to fast while in major ritual impurity [janabah] and then perform the purificatory bath [ghusl] after dawn, although it is better to perform it before dawn. "http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=16124&CATE=246
Wassalam.
Basically a wet dream is when :0: ... Nah il leave it :outta:
:salams,
This is from the Shafii madhab:
"2. Integrals of the fast
It is valid to intend to fast while in major ritual impurity [janabah] and then perform the purificatory bath [ghusl] after dawn, although it is better to perform it before dawn. "http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=16124&CATE=246
Wassalam.
Why Follow Hanafi and Shafi views? .. Why not just follow the Qu'ran and Sunnah!!!
Al-Farooq
25-09-07, 09:45 PM
What is a wet dream?
A wet dream is a when a man has a dream of a sexual nature and ejaculates in his sleep.
Why Follow Hanafi and Shafi views? .. Why not just follow the Qu'ran and Sunnah!!!
because people follow madhabs.where evidence is taken from the quran as well as the hadeeth. imam hanafee, has done his revision..PROPERLY, and its authentic.
because people follow madhabs.
What Madhab did the Prophet :saw: follow?
What Madhab did the Prophet :saw: follow?
thats when people get clever. im not getting into this debate..
thats when people get clever. im not getting into this debate..
Ok .. Fine ... My argument still stands. :coolbro:
umm_yusuf
25-09-07, 10:42 PM
Akhi, no offence but I think your approach is slightly jahil.
I don't follow a particular madhab cos I know that sometimes, in certain issues, one madhab might have a stronger opinion than the other and I appreciate what you are saying (in that if an opinion is presented to you, and it is authentic, from the Qur'an and sunnah but it contradicts that which your school of thought is upon, then you should accept that rather than saying "well, I am a so and so") however, there is a better way in which you could have presented your argument.
Your statement:
Why Follow Hanafi and Shafi views? .. Why not just follow the Qu'ran and Sunnah!!!
implies that the imams of the various madhahib are not upon Qur'an and sunnah. Allah knows best.
I assume that this is not what you meant but perhaps you should be selective in your wordings and have better adab in your approach.
Jazzakallahu Khairan. May Allah bless us with that which is pleasing.
Akhi, no offence but I think your approach is slightly jahil.
I don't follow a particular madhab cos I know that sometimes, in certain issues, one madhab might have a stronger opinion than the other and I appreciate what you are saying (in that if an opinion is presented to you, and it is authentic, from the Qur'an and sunnah but it contradicts that which your school of thought is upon, then you should accept that rather than saying "well, I am a so and so") however, there is a better way in which you could have presented your argument.
Your statement:
implies that the imams of the various madhahib are not upon Qur'an and sunnah. Allah knows best.
I assume that this is not what you meant but perhaps you should be selective in your wordings and have better adab in your approach.
Jazzakallahu Khairan. May Allah bless us with that which is pleasing.
Your right. I could have worded it better. And i do believe that all the Imam (Ra) were upon the Quran and Sunnah. But they all pretty much said "If the hadeeth is found to be authentic then it is my madhab"
But why dont you follow a particular madhab?
Brother if your not qualified to give a fatwah maybe we should leave it to those who are qualified.
Excuse me, but I stated my opinion and identified it as my opinion and not a fatwah.
I have every right in Islam to do so.
If you dont like it, you dont have to read it. But dont try to tell me I shouldnt state an opinion.
umm_yusuf
25-09-07, 11:35 PM
Your right. I could have worded it better. And i do believe that all the Imam (Ra) were upon the Quran and Sunnah. But they all pretty much said "If the hadeeth is found to be authentic then it is my madhab"
But why dont you follow a particular madhab?
Its not that I don't follow a particular madhab, its that I wasn't brought up on a madhab and also, I find it hard to adopt a madhab completely when, say for instance, a madhab says one thing concerning a particular issue and the strongest opinion from the Qur'an and sunnah is somethingelse, I don't know how to reject that (the Qur'an and sunnah ya'ni) and follow the madhab.
I am also aware that the scholars, although great and very knowledgable, can make mistakes. I don't have an issue with a person following a madhab as long as they don't call me deviant or somethingelse because I do things differnt. Allah knows best.
.: Anna :.
26-09-07, 12:13 AM
Could I just say, that can people not have a discussion about madhab or not inside this thread. The brother titled it "brothers only" so when his issue has been answered just leave it and let it drop. How do u think it is for the bro that people bring a debate topic and keep bumping it up to the top, including sisters? (yeh i know i am a sister bt i have jst opened it because i saw the title "brothers only"and a sister user name on the last poster, so i want to see what is going on). Obv then the bro doesnt have access 2 sisters forum, so really sisters if we see these titles in lifestyle making it clear its a brothers matter it will be nicer if u do not open it and don't reply in it, and definately do not start a debate in it, because that is rude and inconsiderate to the brother.
Issue of madhahib and taqleed has been covered on the forum a zillion times so i suggest u bump a thread and go in there insha allah.
[and bro thread starter i am sorry for coming in ur bros only thread aswell, please forgive but i jst wanted 2 say this]
The brother titled it "brothers only" so when his issue has been answered just leave it and let it drop.
Yes ma'am. :) I agree.
umm_yusuf
26-09-07, 12:38 AM
Could I just say, that can people not have a discussion about madhab or not inside this thread. The brother titled it "brothers only" so when his issue has been answered just leave it and let it drop. How do u think it is for the bro that people bring a debate topic and keep bumping it up to the top, including sisters? (yeh i know i am a sister bt i have jst opened it because i saw the title "brothers only"and a sister user name on the last poster, so i want to see what is going on). Obv then the bro doesnt have access 2 sisters forum, so really sisters if we see these titles in lifestyle making it clear its a brothers matter it will be nicer if u do not open it and don't reply in it, and definately do not start a debate in it, because that is rude and inconsiderate to the brother.
Issue of madhahib and taqleed has been covered on the forum a zillion times so i suggest u bump a thread and go in there insha allah.
[and bro thread starter i am sorry for coming in ur bros only thread aswell, please forgive but i jst wanted 2 say this]
Asalaamu 'alaikum ukhti,
It wasn't my intention to comment on his post or open up a debate about madhabs.
I only did because I wasn't pleased with the way the brother approached the sister.
Please re read before passing judgements and making comments. For the same way YOU felt to post in his thread cos you had a point to make, that was the same way I FELT to post.
I hope that's clear Insha Allah.
Jazzakallahu Khairan.
shaquille20
26-09-07, 01:29 AM
Could I just say, that can people not have a discussion about madhab or not inside this thread. The brother titled it "brothers only" so when his issue has been answered just leave it and let it drop. How do u think it is for the bro that people bring a debate topic and keep bumping it up to the top, including sisters? (yeh i know i am a sister bt i have jst opened it because i saw the title "brothers only"and a sister user name on the last poster, so i want to see what is going on). Obv then the bro doesnt have access 2 sisters forum, so really sisters if we see these titles in lifestyle making it clear its a brothers matter it will be nicer if u do not open it and don't reply in it, and definately do not start a debate in it, because that is rude and inconsiderate to the brother.
Issue of madhahib and taqleed has been covered on the forum a zillion times so i suggest u bump a thread and go in there insha allah.
[and bro thread starter i am sorry for coming in ur bros only thread aswell, please forgive but i jst wanted 2 say this]
Dear Sister Anna... this thread started with just a simple question for a simple misunderstanding :(.... I never thought it would escalate to a inter Madhab conflict... I dont know how to close the thread... Can you please do that for me? :coolbro:
Dear Sister Anna... this thread started with just a simple question for a simple misunderstanding :(.... I never thought it would escalate to a inter Madhab conflict... I dont know how to close the thread... Can you please do that for me? :coolbro:
Seems to be chronic on the forum with Madh'hab watchdogs.
shaquille20
26-09-07, 01:35 AM
Seems to be chronic on the forum with Madh'hab watchdogs.
:coolbro:... Bro, thanks for all the comments :)
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