The 3 categories of Tawheed

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Assalamu alaikum

Tawheed can be explained by dividing it into three categories as follows.

1) Tawheed ar-Ruboobiyyah

This means to single out Allaah for His lordship. Allaah is the sole creator, provider and sustainer in charge of all the affairs of the creation.

2) Tawheed al-Uloohiyyah

Also known as Tawheed al-Ibaadah. This means that all worship is directed soley for Allaah. It includes prayer, dua, trust, slaughtering etc. All acts of obedience and worship are a means of getting closer to Allah so all acts must done for His sake.

3) Tawheed al-Asmaa' was-sifaat

This is where we affirm Allaah's names and attributes as Allaah affirmed for Himself in the the Qur'aan, and those affirmed by the Prophet Muhammad :saw:. These names and attributes are taken without likening any of them to the creation. We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why etc.

[chitownmuslim]

Assalamu alaikum

Tawheed can be explained by dividing it into three categories as follows.

1) Tawheed ar-Ruboobiyyah

This means to single out Allaah for His lordship. Allaah is the sole creator, provider and sustainer in charge of all the affairs of the creation.

2) Tawheed al-Uloohiyyah

Also known as Tawheed al-Ibaadah. This means that all worship is directed soley for Allaah. It includes prayer, dua, trust, slaughtering etc. All acts of obedience and worship are a means of getting closer to Allah so all acts must done for His sake.

3) Tawheed al-Asmaa' was-sifaat

This is where we affirm Allaah's names and attributes as Allaah affirmed for Himself in the the Qur'aan, and those affirmed by the Prophet Muhammad :saw:. These names and attributes are taken without likening any of them to the creation. We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why etc.

can u plz name one person from the salaf who made this exact division in tawheed?

[Saeed Al-Muslim]

can u plz name one person from the salaf who made this exact division in tawheed?
Can you please name one person from the salaf who used the term Sufi.

Ma'aSalaama

[chitownmuslim]

Can you please name one person from the salaf who used the term Sufi.

Ma'aSalaama

sure no problem buddy.. even though i never claimed that or even mentioned it.. and even though this is completely off topic, ill still show u that the word "Sufi" was used by the salaf...

-Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyya relates in Madarij al-salikin, and Ibn al-Jawzi in the chapter entitled "Abu Hashim al-Zahid" in his Sifat al-safwa after the early hadith master Abu Nu`aym in his Hilyat al-awliya', that Sufyan al-Thawri said:

If it were not for Abu Hashim al-Sufi (d. 115) I would have never perceived the presence of the subtlest forms of hypocrisy in the self... Among the best of people is the Sufi learned in jurisprudence.


-Imam Malik (raa) said: "He who practices Tasawwuf without learning Sacred Law corrupts his faith, while he who learns Sacred Law without practicing Tasawwuf corrupts himself. Only he who combines the two proves true."

related by the muhaddith Ahmad Zarruq, the hafiz `Ali al-Qari al-Harawi in "Ayn El-Ilm", and the Muhaddith Imam Adawi in "Matn Al-Aziyyah"


-Imam Suyuti relates in "Ta'yid al-haqiqa al-`aliyya" that Imam al-Shafi`i said:

"I accompanied the Sufis and received from them but three words: their statement that time is a sword: if you do not cut it, it cuts you; their statement that if you do not keep your ego busy with truth it will keep you busy with falsehood; their statement that deprivation is immunity"


-Imam Hafiz Al-Ajluni relates in his book "Kashf al khafa wa muzil al albas" that Imam Shafi`i said:

"Three things in this world have been made lovely to me: avoiding affectation, treating people kindly, and following the way of tasawwuf"


-Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Saffarini al-Hanbali relates in his "Ghidha' al-albab li-sharh manzumat al-adab" that Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis: "I don't know people better than them."

-Imam Hasan Basri says: "I saw a Sufi making tawaf around the ka'aba,i offered him a dirham but he refused."


I have other qoutes too but i think these are enough for now, since all these qoutes are reported with Sahih isnads..

Now... can u pleez show me one daleel from the salaf that they divided tawhid into 3 categories like this?

[Saeed Al-Muslim]

Jazaak Allaahu khair, although tasawaf is not synonymous with sufism.

Now... can u pleez show me one daleel from the salaf that they divided tawhid into 3 categories like this?So what is the correct belief of Tawhid, inline with the salaf?

Ma'aSalaama

[chitownmuslim]

Jazaak Allaahu khair, although tasawaf is not synonymous with sufism.

So what is the correct belief of Tawhid, inline with the salaf?

Ma'aSalaama

The correct tawhid is the same tawhid mentioned in "Al-Aqida Al-Tahawiyyah" by Imam Tahawi.. none of the Salaf or even khalaf made this division in tawhid except Ibn Taymiyyah and his followers.. there is no evidence from the Quran, Sunnah, or sayings of the Salaf, that tawhid is three categories like this division here.. ull find good commentaries and explantions of tawhid from the traditional scholars of Islam who have written in length about it, such as Imam Ghazali, Ibn Hajar and Nawawi in their commentaries on the Sahih's, etc..

this division has been used for too long in order to justify accusing other Muslims of Shirk.. ignorant people use this division to cause fitnah and accuse the majority of Muslims to be mushriks..

[Saeed Al-Muslim]

Incidentally I do have 'Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiah' by Imam Abu Ja'far at-Tahawi. And other books which do differentiate into categories.

Jazaak Allaahu khair, I will make sure to remember that in future reading.

Ma'aSalaama

[chitownmuslim]

Incidentally I do have 'Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiah' by Imam Abu Ja'far at-Tahawi. And other books which do differentiate into categories.

Jazaak Allaahu khair, I will make sure to remember that in future reading.

Ma'aSalaama

ok show me exactly where in AlAqidah Al-Tahawiyyah does Imam Tahawi divide tawhid into the three categories mentioned above?

and i dont mean the commentaries on it, i mean the actual text of Al-Aqida Al-Tahawiyyah

[Saeed Al-Muslim]

ok show me exactly where in AlAqidah Al-Tahawiyyah does Imam Tahawi divide tawhid into the three categories mentioned above?

and i dont mean the commentaries on it, i mean the actual text of Al-Aqida Al-TahawiyyahYou misunderstand me. I meant to say I have other books that categorise Tawhid into three categories. ‘Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiah’ does not, in fact it is much like an Articles of Tawhid, or a declarations or statements of Tawhid.

I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Ma'aSalaama

[chitownmuslim]

You misunderstand me. I meant to say I have other books that categorise Tawhid into three categories. ‘Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiah’ does not, in fact it is much like an Articles of Tawhid, or a declarations or statements of Tawhid.

I apologise for the misunderstanding.

Ma'aSalaama

oh im sorry about that akhi, yes i did misunderstand what u said, i apologize..

akhi, none of the traditional or classical Islamic scholars divided tawhid into these three categories (mentioned above).. Ibn Taymiyyah introduced this division in the 14th century and Ibn Abdul Wahhab supported this division and enforced it in his land.. which in turn makes it among the main pillars of the salafi da'wah..

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

As-salaamu 'alaikum

I am not aware of anyone from the Salaf who explained Tawheed in this way. The key word here is explained. For anyone to say that this in an innovation, then there is no issue here because it is only an explanation of what it means to be upon Tawheed. It is not an act of ibaadah.

[Skilly]

Chitownmuslim.

I have no Idea what you point is.

So what if someone categorise tawheed into 3 heading.

The purpose of it is to facilitate learning.

The three category are within the Quran and Sunnah.

What difference does it make. Absoloutely non except that it makes it easier for people to learn tawheed.
You are throwing a tantrum over something that only make's you look more stupid. SO I advise you to desist in such behaviour.

p.s. Good post Abu Haleena, please carry on.

[Abu Lahya]

You People Are Discussing Somthing Not From The Sunnah. Tawheed Was Catagorised By The Earlier Classical Scolars As 2, Then Three And By Some In More Modern Times 4 Due To The Circumstances Which The Muslims Live In Today.There Is Nothing To Argue Over.It Is Not Biddah Like Said By The Sister.Get Over It.

[al faqeer]

Can you please name one person from the salaf who used the term Sufi.

Ma'aSalaama

thats easy Sufyan Al Thawri

[al faqeer]

You People Are Discussing Somthing Not From The Sunnah. Tawheed Was Catagorised By The Earlier Classical Scolars As 2, Then Three And By Some In More Modern Times 4 Due To The Circumstances Which The Muslims Live In Today.There Is Nothing To Argue Over.It Is Not Biddah Like Said By The Sister.Get Over It.

It is a Bidah cause the prophet PBUH and the Salaf didnt teach or say this .

:) .

And now they invented a Fourth one Called Hakimiyah :D , Funny isnt it .?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Assalaamu alaikum

I knew you'd surface sooner or later al faqeer. You can call it a bi'dah but like I said, it is not an act of ibaadah so it is permissable. Bi'dah is only a problem when it comes to worship. EXPLAINING tawheed in categories is just a way to help people understand.

[al faqeer]

Assalaamu alaikum

I knew you'd surface sooner or later al faqeer. You can call it a bi'dah but like I said, it is not an act of ibaadah so it is permissable. Bi'dah is only a problem when it comes to worship. EXPLAINING tawheed in categories is just a way to help people understand.

No Thats your salafi scapegoat , Bidah is Bidah especially when it comes to the Key Of All Ibadah which is Tawheed :D .

And later i will post the Fiqh Al Akbar post not just yet :D .

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Assalaamu alakium al faqeer,

Can you explain what Bi'dah is in light of the shariah?

[Abu Lahya]

It is a Bidah cause the prophet PBUH and the Salaf didnt teach or say this .

:) .

And now they invented a Fourth one Called Hakimiyah :D , Funny isnt it .?

You Speak With Out Knoledge.Study The Deen.Did They Not Call To The Oness Of ALLAH. ONLY He Is To Be Called Upon For Worhsip.He Is As He Has Described In His Names And Attributes It A Way Which Best Suits Him.Did They Not Teach That He Is The Only Law Giver.The Lands Should Be Lawed By His Laws??

[al faqeer]

Assalaamu alakium al faqeer,

Can you explain what Bi'dah is in light of the shariah?

Yeah but not in the light of Salafi shariah :D .

[al faqeer]

You Speak With Out Knoledge.Study The Deen.Did They Not Call To The Oness Of ALLAH. ONLY He Is To Be Called Upon For Worhsip.He Is As He Has Described In His Names And Attributes It A Way Which Best Suits Him.Did They Not Teach That He Is The Only Law Giver.The Lands Should Be Lawed By His Laws??

Dude look in a mirror when you say your salafi baloney :) .

there were no Three Tawheeds I mean four Tawheeds since lately You have added Hakimiyah to it :d in the time of the Prophet PBUH or the salaf .

So we reject the concept cause they never used it - Simple :D .

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Al Faqeer, please post an explanation of Bid'ah in terms of the shariah.

[Abu Lahya]

Dude look in a mirror when you say your salafi baloney :) .

there were no Three Tawheeds I mean four Tawheeds since lately You have added Hakimiyah to it :d in the time of the Prophet PBUH or the salaf .

So we reject the concept cause they never used it - Simple :D .

LOL.so u reject concept of making it easier to learn.As in the Catagor'n of the islamic fundamental principle tawheed right? u agree to the fundamental points made tho right? as in ONE ALLAH.ALL WORSHIP TO HIM.Names And Attributes As He Has Described Him self in a Manner Which Suits His Majesty.Right?

Ps. Im Not Salafi.

[Skilly]

Let him carry on.

It won't get any more stupid and it would offer the Brother's and sisters to assess the stupidity that these people display.

I apologise as I have not find any kinder word to describe what I am seeing.

[chitownmuslim]

Chitownmuslim.

I have no Idea what you point is.

So what if someone categorise tawheed into 3 heading.

The purpose of it is to facilitate learning.

The three category are within the Quran and Sunnah.

What difference does it make. Absoloutely non except that it makes it easier for people to learn tawheed.
You are throwing a tantrum over something that only make's you look more stupid. SO I advise you to desist in such behaviour.

p.s. Good post Abu Haleena, please carry on.

is the deen a game? anyone who wants to start dividing and adding to the deen, can do so, as long as it makes things "easier"? why didnt the prophet (pbuh) teach this division in tawheed to the companions if it makes understanding tawheed easier? are u saying that wat the prophet (pbuh) taught was not understandable, so Ibn Taymiyyah had to make it easy for people? Or are u saying that none of the scholars of Islam for 1200 years understood tawhid except Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn Abdul Wahhab?

akhi, this is an issue of aqida, not an issue of fiqh where some difference of opinion is tolerated... u cant add, subtract, or divide from what the prophet (pbuh) taught even if it makes things "easier" as u claim...

also, it is false to say that the purpose of this three/four tawhid division is only to teach people tawhid, becuz this division introduces new concepts and understandings which were never taught or preached by the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah.. such as considering tawassul, tabarruk, or visiting the prophets grave as a violation of tawhid al-uloohiyyah, therefore making it permissible to accuse Muslims who these acts as Mushriks..

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Assalaamu alaikum,

Relax akhee. Nobody is calling anyone a mushrik. The fact of the matter is that examples of these categories can be found in both the Qur'aan and the authentic Sunnah. Nothing has been added or subtracted as you claim. I say again, this categorisation is not an act of worship, but a means of helping to explain and understand. One could argue that it is similar to giving dawah in english. Did the the Prophet :saw: or any of the salaf translate or gice khutbahs in english? Of course not. Is it a Bid'ah? No, because it is not an act of worship, but a means of communicating to the people in order to explain in a language they understand (though this does not take away the necessity of learning Arabic).

For many years, most of my life in fact, I didn't understand Tawheed at all. Didn't even come across the word until recently. I thought there was one god and that was all there is to know. It is absolutely vital to understand Tawheed as best we can as this is the core of our aqeedah. Everything, ultimately, goes back to Tawheed.this division introduces new concepts and understandings which were never taught or preached by the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah..Not true. Like I said, both the Qur'aan and the Sunnah contain many examples that apply to these categories.tawassul, tabarruk, or visiting the prophets grave as a violation of tawhid al-uloohiyyah,Isn't this telling you something?

[Abandoned-Mind]

lol @ crackhead al-Faqeer...

Your funny, extremism got to your head?

So anyone who rejects Milad parties, group jump up and downs, over venerating the pious dead etc - as it was done by the Prophet saws, Companions or Salaf is a 'Wahhabi'... and you reject the Categorization of Tawheed to teach etc and are a Pure Sunni yeah..

[Skilly]

is the deen a game? anyone who wants to start dividing and adding to the deen, can do so, as long as it makes things "easier"? why didnt the prophet (pbuh) teach this division in tawheed to the companions if it makes understanding tawheed easier? are u saying that wat the prophet (pbuh) taught was not understandable, so Ibn Taymiyyah had to make it easy for people? Or are u saying that none of the scholars of Islam for 1200 years understood tawhid except Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn Abdul Wahhab?

akhi, this is an issue of aqida, not an issue of fiqh where some difference of opinion is tolerated... u cant add, subtract, or divide from what the prophet (pbuh) taught even if it makes things "easier" as u claim...

also, it is false to say that the purpose of this three/four tawhid division is only to teach people tawhid, becuz this division introduces new concepts and understandings which were never taught or preached by the scholars of Ahlus Sunnah.. such as considering tawassul, tabarruk, or visiting the prophets grave as a violation of tawhid al-uloohiyyah, therefore making it permissible to accuse Muslims who these acts as Mushriks..

Abu Haleena response is sufficient.

This is what I meant when the response would not get any stupidier. I alrady advise you brothers that it will only make youlook stupid.

Their is nothing added or taken away. Nothing new is being thought.

So you have not refuted anything going of in a tangent, and making issue over Tawassul, tabaruk or visiting the grave which no one believes is in itself is shirk or bidah.

If you wan't to find about Tawheed and shirk than their is already a thread available entitled Kitab ut-tawheed with Audio to accompany the literature. I advise you to make use of it, which I doubt you will.

[chitownmuslim]

Assalaamu alaikum,

Relax akhee. Nobody is calling anyone a mushrik.

ok so who are the Mushriks who Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab spoke about in his book "Kashf Al-Shubuhat"? who are the Mushriks he spoke about in "Kitab At-Tawheed"? The mushriks he was speaking about were other Muslims whom he accused of shirk and considered killing them as Jihad..

how about Abu Bakr Al-Jazairis book "Ila AlTasawwuf Ibad Allah" in which he basically accuses the majority of Muslims of falling into Shirk..

Or the commentary of Ibn Uthaymeen on "Aqida Wasitiyyah"


The fact of the matter is that examples of these categories can be found in both the Qur'aan and the authentic Sunnah. Nothing has been added or subtracted as you claim. I say again, this categorisation is not an act of worship, but a means of helping to explain and understand. One could argue that it is similar to giving dawah in english. Did the the Prophet :saw: or any of the salaf translate or gice khutbahs in english? Of course not. Is it a Bid'ah? No, because it is not an act of worship, but a means of communicating to the people in order to explain in a language they understand (though this does not take away the necessity of learning Arabic).

this categorization itself is a bid'ah becuz it is related to the very foundation or basis of Islam; Tawheed.. the concept of tawheed is more important than anything in Islam even ibadat, so its only understood like the prophet (pbuh) taught it and how the salaf understood it, and there are no records whatsoever of the salaf speaking about this categorization of tawheed. Your analogy between giving da'wah in english and dividing tawheed is a false analogy for two reasons:

1) The Prophet (pbuh), the companions, and the salaf did da'wah mostly in Arabic and other languages also.. but the essence of the message was one, even if the language was different; whether the message is said in English or Arabic, it is still the same. However, this categorization of Tawheed is not the same as the Salaf's understanding of Tawheed, and there is no evidence at all that a single person of the salaf ever divided or categorized tawheed as mentioned in the first post; so here the message is not the same..

2) This categorization of tawheed is only preached by Ibn Taymiyya and the followers of his school of thought, who are known as the Salafi's.. no other group or individual from Ahlus Sunnah or any other Islamic sect ever preached this division of tawheed.. however, giving da'wah is agreed upon as being obligatory and necessary by all the Muslims.


For many years, most of my life in fact, I didn't understand Tawheed at all. Didn't even come across the word until recently. I thought there was one god and that was all there is to know. It is absolutely vital to understand Tawheed as best we can as this is the core of our aqeedah. Everything, ultimately, goes back to Tawheed.Not true. Like I said, both the Qur'aan and the Sunnah contain many examples that apply to these categories.Isn't this telling you something?

Not necessarily, it depends on how you understand the verses of the Quran and the hadiths.. ive seen the evidence Salafis use for this categorization of tawheed and the majority of it is out of context and not true.. mostly becuz they use verses and hadiths which are speaking about ploythiests and unbelievers and apply them to other Muslims.. u dont believe me, check Ibn Abdul Wahhab's book "Kashf Ash-Shubuhat" in which he calls all other Muslims who disagree with him as Mushriks and uses verses which speak about kuffar and applies them to Muslims..

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Assalaamu alaikum chitownmuslim
I will post a proper reply tomorrow insha'Allaah. In the meantime, could you post the parts you are referring to in the books you mentioned and I will check it out insha'Allaah. Barakallahu feekum.

[chitownmuslim]

Assalaamu alaikum chitownmuslim
I will post a proper reply tomorrow insha'Allaah. In the meantime, could you post the parts you are referring to in the books you mentioned and I will check it out insha'Allaah. Barakallahu feekum.

ok..

-Ibn Abdul Wahhab says in his book "Kashf Ash-Shubuhat" pg. 9: "Know that the tawhid which the mushriks of Quraysh denied was the tawhid of worship; which the contemporary mushriks call 'i'itiqad'".

-Ibn Abdul Wahhab says in the same book pg. 19: "I will mention to you the replies which Allah (swt) presented to the arguements of the polythiests of our era".

as we all know the "mushriks" Ibn Abdul Wahhab was speaking of, were the Muslims of Najd.. who Ibn Abdul Wahhab considered as Mushriks and he even fought and killed them as an act of Jihad...


-Ibn Baz comments about the tawassul of the companion Bilal bin Harith (raa) at the grave of the Prophet (pbuh): "Evil, and a means to shirk, some of the scholars even considered it shirk". Ibn Baz commentary on Fathul Bari.

-Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri says in his book "Aqidat Al-Mu'min" pg. 104: "The shirk which has befallen upon this ummah when it was ignorant of the Quran and Sunnah, was a direct result of tawassul and tabarruk".

-if these qoutes are not enough, check Ibn Uthaymeen's "Fatawa" and see how much accusation of shirk there is towards other Muslims.. or Ibn Baz's "Tuhfat Al-Ikhwan".

[al faqeer]

LOL.so u reject concept of making it easier to learn.As in the Catagor'n of the islamic fundamental principle tawheed right? u agree to the fundamental points made tho right? as in ONE ALLAH.ALL WORSHIP TO HIM.Names And Attributes As He Has Described Him self in a Manner Which Suits His Majesty.Right?

Ps. Im Not Salafi.

Off course - What better book of Tawheed do you need then the Quran ?

Suratal Ikhlaas ?

and the Aqeedah of the Prophet PBUH and the salaf - where there was no mention of 3 tawheeds - so we can View it as an innovation or a mere JOKE :D .

[al faqeer]

lol @ crackhead al-Faqeer...

Your funny, extremism got to your head?

So anyone who rejects Milad parties, group jump up and downs, over venerating the pious dead etc - as it was done by the Prophet saws, Companions or Salaf is a 'Wahhabi'... and you reject the Categorization of Tawheed to teach etc and are a Pure Sunni yeah..

Nah Anyone who follow three Tawheeds that the salaf never Heard of is Ahlul Bid3a :D .

Can you dig it ?

Hey and then You Poeple Invented Haaakimiyah :D a real embarrassment for your likes eh ?

[al faqeer]

Assalaamu alaikum chitownmuslim
I will post a proper reply tomorrow insha'Allaah. In the meantime, could you post the parts you are referring to in the books you mentioned and I will check it out insha'Allaah. Barakallahu feekum.

Yeah Lets see what you got - b4 I annihilate you Fragile Wannabe aqqedah .

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

ok..

-Ibn Abdul Wahhab says in his book "Kashf Ash-Shubuhat" pg. 9: "Know that the tawhid which the mushriks of Quraysh denied was the tawhid of worship; which the contemporary mushriks call 'i'itiqad'".

-Ibn Abdul Wahhab says in the same book pg. 19: "I will mention to you the replies which Allah (swt) presented to the arguements of the polythiests of our era".

as we all know the "mushriks" Ibn Abdul Wahhab was speaking of, were the Muslims of Najd.. who Ibn Abdul Wahhab considered as Mushriks and he even fought and killed them as an act of Jihad...


-Ibn Baz comments about the tawassul of the companion Bilal bin Harith (raa) at the grave of the Prophet (pbuh): "Evil, and a means to shirk, some of the scholars even considered it shirk". Ibn Baz commentary on Fathul Bari.

-Abu Bakr Al-Jaza'iri says in his book "Aqidat Al-Mu'min" pg. 104: "The shirk which has befallen upon this ummah when it was ignorant of the Quran and Sunnah, was a direct result of tawassul and tabarruk".

-if these qoutes are not enough, check Ibn Uthaymeen's "Fatawa" and see how much accusation of shirk there is towards other Muslims.. or Ibn Baz's "Tuhfat Al-Ikhwan".

Assalaamu alaikum chitownmuslim,

Sorry, but I can't find the the references in Kashf al-Shubuhat. I have the explanation in English by Abu Ammar Yasir Qadhi (published by Al Hidaayah). Any chance of the chapter names/numbers?

Anyway, let me tell you this. I used to be a sufi myself. Even gave bayah to a pir. The kufr and shirk that I saw with my own eyes (including by members of own family) was quite shocking to say the least. Of course, I didn't know it was shirk and kufr as I was led to believe that 'all' Muslims practised Islaam this way. I can't comment on what it's like in the windy city, but when I visited Pakistan, I witnessed the following:

- People travelling many miles to visit graves of 'saints' who they call upon.
- Making Tawaf around graves.
- Some graves were raised up to about chest level and adorned with expensive cloth and flowers in the belief the saint would be pleased and pray for them (whilst dead).
- People attaching 'taweez' and amulets to animals and trees to 'ward of' evil.
- People calling upon the Jinn. One man I met claimed he had control over the Jinn and that hundreds of thousands of Jinn made sujood daily to the grave of his pir.
- Hardcore 'dhikr' in a group where names of Allaah (or something random like 'illalaah; hoo; etc) were repeated thousands of times out aloud whilst swaying and shaking the head violently. After a couple of minutes, the words become unintelligable as everyone gets into a trance. According to them, this is from the Sunnah.

Anyone with half a brain and a basic understanding of Tawheed and Shirk knows which heading the above fall under. If the people that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (Rahimahullaah) were committing similar acts then I say yes, it was Shirk and Kufr.

Unfortunately, many Muslims today are indeed guilty of committing Shirk. As you already acknowledged earlier, most don't really understand Tawheed and go against Tawheed al-Uloohiyyah. However, declaring someone to be a Mushrik and/or making Takfeer is very serious so I will leave that to those who have knowledge.

[al faqeer]

Assalaamu alaikum chitownmuslim,

Sorry, but I can't find the the references in Kashf al-Shubuhat. I have the explanation in English by Abu Ammar Yasir Qadhi (published by Al Hidaayah). Any chance of the chapter names/numbers?

Anyway, let me tell you this. I used to be a sufi myself. Even gave bayah to a pir. The kufr and shirk that I saw with my own eyes (including by members of own family) was quite shocking to say the least. Of course, I didn't know it was shirk and kufr as I was led to believe that 'all' Muslims practised Islaam this way. I can't comment on what it's like in the windy city, but when I visited Pakistan, I witnessed the following:

- People travelling many miles to visit graves of 'saints' who they call upon.
- Making Tawaf around graves.
- Some graves were raised up to about chest level and adorned with expensive cloth and flowers in the belief the saint would be pleased and pray for them (whilst dead).
- People attaching 'taweez' and amulets to animals and trees to 'ward of' evil.
- People calling upon the Jinn. One man I met claimed he had control over the Jinn and that hundreds of thousands of Jinn made sujood daily to the grave of his pir.
- Hardcore 'dhikr' in a group where names of Allaah (or something random like 'illalaah; hoo; etc) were repeated thousands of times out aloud whilst swaying and shaking the head violently. After a couple of minutes, the words become unintelligable as everyone gets into a trance. According to them, this is from the Sunnah.

Anyone with half a brain and a basic understanding of Tawheed and Shirk knows which heading the above fall under. If the people that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (Rahimahullaah) were committing similar acts then I say yes, it was Shirk and Kufr.

Unfortunately, many Muslims today are indeed guilty of committing Shirk. As you already acknowledged earlier, most don't really understand Tawheed and go against Tawheed al-Uloohiyyah. However, declaring someone to be a Mushrik and/or making Takfeer is very serious so I will leave that to those who have knowledge.

Aha the oldest trick in the book trying to take the spot light of the Bida of the 3 tawheeds with the Old 'I used to be Sufi' Story eh :D ?

Nah dude ! not gonna work while i am here .

There was No 3 or 4 tawheeds time of the Salaf , If you are salafi you should reject it .

If you are Khalafi you accept it .

[Saeed Al-Muslim]

Aha the oldest trick in the book trying to take the spot light of the Bida of the 3 tawheeds with the Old 'I used to be Sufi' Story eh :( ?Well I used to be a Brelvi, then I became a Sufi, and now well I'm inclined towards the Salaafiya, although I am not a Salafi.

Ma'aSalaama

[al faqeer]

Well I used to be a Brelvi, then I became a Sufi, and now well I'm inclined towards the Salaafiya, although I am not a Salafi.

Ma'aSalaama

Good for you brother :) Allah guides inshallah .

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]...........If the people ..........were committing similar acts then I say yes, it was Shirk and Kufr................many Muslims today are indeed guilty of committing Shirk................most don't really understand Tawheed and go against Tawheed al-Uloohiyyah. ............

Please visit for proof of the above:

http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=191

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]The correct tawhid is the same tawhid mentioned in "Al-Aqida Al-Tahawiyyah" by Imam Tahawi..

The correct tawhid is as mentioned by Allah S.w.t. Himself in the Qur'an and explained by the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

In the Qur'an,

•There are many verses where Allaah mentions that He is the Rabb of all the Worlds and other verses related to this where He says He created the heavens and the earth, that He is in control of everything etc. All of these indicate His Ruboobiyyah

•There are verses in which Allaah says there is nothing like Him - i.e. the underlying principle in Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat, and verses in which He mentions His Names and Attributes etc.. So all of these indicate His Names and Attributes AND the way we are supposed to believe in them.

•There are verses in which Allaah asks the creation to worship Him alone and not to worship another god along with Him whether that might be in ones inward actions, or outward actions. So all of these such verses indicate His Uloohiyyah

..there is no evidence from the Quran, Sunnah, or sayings of the Salaf, that tawhid is three categories like this division here..

If you deny what I have written above regarding the contents in the verses of the Qur'an it would mean that you have not studied what is in the Qur'an, Sunnah or Sayings of the Salaf but are blindly following your Shaikh whoever he is.

And if you deny the verses deliberately after reading them you are answerable to Allah s.w.t.

Allah The Most High says,

Al-Baqara [2:256]

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

[HelpingHand]

[QUOTE=chitownmuslim;2124923]



The correct tawhid is as mentioned by Allah S.w.t. Himself in the Qur'an and explained by the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

In the Qur'an,

•There are many verses where Allaah mentions that He is the Rabb of all the Worlds and other verses related to this where He says He created the heavens and the earth, that He is in control of everything etc. All of these indicate His Ruboobiyyah

•There are verses in which Allaah says there is nothing like Him - i.e. the underlying principle in Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat, and verses in which He mentions His Names and Attributes etc.. So all of these indicate His Names and Attributes AND the way we are supposed to believe in them.

•There are verses in which Allaah asks the creation to worship Him alone and not to worship another god along with Him whether that might be in ones inward actions, or outward actions. So all of these such verses indicate His Uloohiyyah



If you deny what I have written above regarding the contents in the verses of the Qur'an it would mean that you have not studied what is in the Qur'an, Sunnah or Sayings of the Salaf but are blindly following your Shaikh whoever he is.

And if you deny the verses deliberately after reading them you are answerable to Allah s.w.t.

Allah The Most High says,

Al-Baqara [2:256]

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِي الدِّينِ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَيِّ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطَّاغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِن بِاللّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقَىَ لاَ انفِصَامَ لَهَا وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ

2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

I believe that all the brother is saying that the “Salaf” didn’t divide Tawheed into 3 and that is a fact!

To the best of my understanding dividing Tawheed into 3 is merely a matter of of Istiqraa, nevertheless it is also a matter of fact that the earlier scholars divided Tawheed into two:

1) Tawheed Al-M’rifah Wal Ithbaat (Unity of Cognition and
Affirmation) which comprising Rububiyyah and ‘Asmaa’ and Sifaat

2) Tawheed Al-Qasd wal Iraadah (Unity of Purpose and
Deeds ) Which is nothing more than the Unity of ‘Uluhiyyah

Lastly, Ahadeeth & Ayaat indicating Ruboobiyah & dividing Tawheed into 3 are two separate issues!

And please explain your statement about Imam Tahawi (RA)! Are you disagreeing with him?

[aboosait]

And please explain your statement about Imam Tahawi (RA)! Are you disagreeing with him?

I did not make any statement about Imam Tahawi. I just quoted the statement of our Chicago Muslim and refuted it, I quote again:

The correct tawhid is the same tawhid mentioned in "Al-Aqida Al-Tahawiyyah" by Imam Tahawi..

The correct tawhid is as mentioned by Allah S.w.t. Himself in the Qur'an and explained by the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

[HelpingHand]

I did not make any statement about Imam Tahawi. I just quoted the statement of our Chicago Muslim and refuted it, I quote again:

Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

Your words are full of polemics & philosophy & frankly I don't understand them.

1) If you (or whoever) are implying:

a) That Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah is not from Qur’aan/Sunnah then you need to make your claim clear and make it clear as to WHICH BITS you have a disagreement with and I beleive implicity you are claiming something here...

OTHERWISE such a statement about Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah is MORONIC and CHILDISH!

2) You claim to follow Tawheed from Qur’aan/Sunnah YET you are unable to prove the division of Tawheed from Qur’aan/Sunnah; not the concept but the division itself.

I leave your words/intention to Allah (SWT).

P.S: For the record I have tried to exaplain the division of Tawheed in a nice manner & to the best of my knowledge it is done purely for easier understanding and there is NO EVIDENCE from SALAF of such a division. The division from Salaf is presented in my earlier post.

P.P.S: In the light of your absurd statement about Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah, PLEASE PROVE THIS DIVISION FROM THE SALAF without going off a tangent.

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]Asslamo Allaikum Brother,

:wswrwb:

..............In the light of your absurd statement about Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah.................

There seems to be some misunderstanding. I have not made any statement about Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah. I did not find the need to go for anybody's aqidah as I have found the explanation of the three categories of Tawhid in the Verses of the Qur'an and I had written about it in one of my previous posts.

[HelpingHand]

[QUOTE=HelpingHand;2128072]



:wswrwb:



There seems to be some misunderstanding. I have not made any statement about Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah. I did not find the need to go for anybody's aqidah as I have found the explanation of the three categories of Tawhid in the Verses of the Qur'an and I had written about it in one of my previous posts.

Asslamo Allaikum Dear Respected Brother in Islam,

I love you for the sake of Allah (SWT) as you appear to be a student of knowledge from your posts.

1) Your mentioned verses & Ahadeeth provide no reference to the division of Tawheed into 3 at all.

2) Aqeedah-Tahawiyyah is THE BENCH-MARK for Aqeedah for Muslims and it also has no references to the division of Tawheed into 3 at all.

Please consider 1, 2 BEFORE launching your attacks on others the next time.

If you are happy with the division of Tawheed based on the understanding of “certain Ulama (*) that you deem to be Thiqqa” then you should extend the same courtesy to other Muslims when they quote “certain Ulama”...Isn't that fair?

* Prove it that this division is done in the Qur’aan/Sunnah and according to Salaf & the debate can be easily closed!

[Raziel]

This debate is not leading anywhere, Tawheed, believing in the Oneness of Allah is described in the Quran and Sunnah, in various verses and Hadiths ... whether we describe it into 1, 2 or 3 categories ... so long as the content of it confirms to the Quran and the authentically recorded Sahih/Hadiths, Sunnah, there can be no arguments ...

just a comment, the Word itself Tawheed is an indication of absolute Unity and Oneness of Allah Subhana Uta'allah with his attributes etc. All that is mentioned in the Quran about Allah Subhana Uta'ala and by Rasulullah :saw: must be confirmed to by the Muslims if they are Trully believers ...

also we should not be making unnecessary divisions, this is exactly why there are so many groups, with ideas which confirm not to the Sahih-Hadiths and the Quran ... makes it easier for Shaytan to 'divide and conquer' the Muslims...

:jkk:

[al faqeer]

This debate is not leading anywhere, Tawheed, believing in the Oneness of Allah is described in the Quran and Sunnah... whether we describe it into 1, 2 or 3 categories ... so long as the content of it confirms to the Quran and the authentically recorded Sahih/Hadiths, Sunnah, there can be no arguments ...

:jkk:

Yeah thats why we shoudl Just reject three tawheed concept since the prophet PBUH and his companions and the followers of the first three generations never preached it .

So we reject it .

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

al faqeer, you are an Arab yeah?

Can you provide me with the meaning of the word SHIRK? Both linguistically and in terms of the Shariah.

Barakallaahu Feek.

[Raziel]

Yeah thats why we shoudl Just reject three tawheed concept since the prophet PBUH and his companions and the followers of the first three generations never preached it .

So we reject it .

that may be bro, but this is what the contents of the concepts say...


* single out Allaah for His lordship. Allaah is the sole creator, provider and sustainer in charge of all the affairs of the creation.

* all worship is directed soley for Allaah. It includes prayer, dua, trust, slaughtering etc. All acts of obedience and worship are a means of getting closer to Allah so all acts must done for His sake.

* This is where we affirm Allaah's names and attributes as Allaah affirmed for Himself in the the Qur'aan, and those affirmed by the Prophet Muhammad . These names and attributes are taken without likening any of them to the creation. We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why

all three of the above things are required of a Muslim as Mentioned in Various Verses of the Quran and Sunnah,

regarding the Last bit "We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why" this makes no sense considering the Quran Clearly answers the What, Hows and Why's ...

:jkk:

[al faqeer]

that may be bro, but this is what the contents of the concepts say...


* single out Allaah for His lordship. Allaah is the sole creator, provider and sustainer in charge of all the affairs of the creation.

* all worship is directed soley for Allaah. It includes prayer, dua, trust, slaughtering etc. All acts of obedience and worship are a means of getting closer to Allah so all acts must done for His sake.

* This is where we affirm Allaah's names and attributes as Allaah affirmed for Himself in the the Qur'aan, and those affirmed by the Prophet Muhammad . These names and attributes are taken without likening any of them to the creation. We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why

all three of the above things are required of a Muslim as Mentioned in Various Verses of the Quran and Sunnah,

regarding the Last bit "We just accept them as they are without asking what, how, why" this makes no sense considering the Quran Clearly answers the What, Hows and Why's ...

:jkk:


Why make them three if The prophet PBUH didnt ? :D

So we reject the concept of three or four .

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Can you explain the meaning of Shirk?

[al faqeer]

Can you explain the meaning of Shirk?

Who says i have to ?

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

Can you...It's called a request. If you don't want to, just say so.

[HelpingHand]

Asslamo Allaikum,

I hope that I am not disrespecting anyone or rubbing anyone the wrong way…
I have already explained as to WHY Tawheed is divided into 3, but my point is very simple…

If you are happy with the division of Tawheed based on the understanding of “certain Ulama (*) that you deem to be Thiqqa” then you should extend the same courtesy to other Muslims when they quote “certain Ulama”...Isn't that fair?

ELSE

Prove the division of Tawheed from the Qur'aan/Sunnah & the SALAF.

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]...............If you are happy with the division of Tawheed based on the understanding of “certain Ulama (*) that you deem to be Thiqqa” .........................

Telling lies? Which Ulama have I made taqleed of? or placed their words above the words of Allah? or have I even mentioned anyone in the post under reference? Please read the post again and make towba for telling lies.

I have mentioned about verses that indicate Allah's Ruboobiyyah, that speak about His Names and Attributes AND the way we are supposed to believe in them, and verses that highlight His Uloohiyyah.

If you are too lazy to open the Qur'an and read please tell me. I shall copy and post some of the verses from the Qur'an relevant to the issue and their meaning in English Insha Allah.

[Samurai]

Guys the 3 Categories of Tawheed in the Quran (names pertain to essence, names pertain to glory of essence, names pertaining of actions that are manifestations of glory) are all united "he is the first and the last the outward and inward" "with the name of Allah, Al-Rahman, Al-Raheem say Allah is Ahad".

Therefore while the Quran divides them into these three categories it also then unites them in many verses, some verses showing Allah (swt) in a state of action "Or he who responds to the distressed one when he calls is there God with Allah glory be above what they attribute", that manifestation of him in his action manifests his state of glory which manifests his essence, his names are infact in reality all one, knowledge of essence increases knowledge of God in state of actions and vice versa.

Therefore all the names of Allah (swt) are one and the same, they are all linked to each other and not diverse in meaning in reality. There is no point in dividing belief of Allah (swt) perfection from belief of Allah (swt) in his state of actions for his state of actions reveal his perfections, and his perfections are infact infinite, and in reality there is but one perfection, for the perfect unites all perfections and each name of action of Allah (swt) manifest Allah (swt) being one and not diverse. Al-Rahman is comprehensive name of all other names and unites all perfections as all his names do.

The proof of Islam lies with combination of the three state of names to being percieved as linked and one. Otherwise, how would creation be expected to know God would decree that his laws should be followed, or that guidance would come from him, it's because we all been created on tawheed and the holy names of God, and outward signs of God confirm the inward signs of God in ourselves. The outward is created in truth, we ourselves contain signs of the truth, and Allah (swt) is the Truth, he is the manifest and the hidden, he is known but unkown, he is seen yet unseen, he his high in his closeness and close in his highness, outward in his inward and inward in his outward.

[al faqeer]

The Salaf never used this categorization so we are not obliged to accept it :) .

[Samurai]

There is a hint to three type of names here:

He is Allah, there is no other deity but He, the Knower of the invisible and the visible. He is the Beneficent, the Merciful.

He is Allah, there is no other deity but He, the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One, Peace, the Keeper of Faith, the Guardian, the Majestic, the Compeller and the Superb. Glorified be Allah from all that they ascribe as partners to Him.

He is Allah the Creator, the Shaper out of naught, the Fashioner, His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

Ofcourse there is one belief with regard to Tawheed and not three divisions for as I already explained they are linked and are unseperable. The Quran infact unites them and the three type of names and the three perspectives are to show the proper concept of tawheed which shows the fact of "he is the first and the last, the outward and inward".

[chitownmuslim]

Abu Haleena, Heres a complete version of the book "Kashf Ash-Shubuhat" u can check the qoutes i provided akhi, their all in there, why would i lie?

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]................ "he is the first and the last, the outward and inward"....................



Yes. His existence is evident (zahir) in the effects of His activity, whereas He Himself is not perceptible (ghayr mudrak) to our senses.

Surah Al-Hadid (Iron)

57:3 He is the First and the Last, [1] and the Outward as well as the Inward: [2] and He has full knowledge of everything.

هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

(57:3)

Instead of wasting time explaining your philosopy, please prove your statements with quotes from Qur'an &/or Hadith.

[chitownmuslim]

The bottom line is that the Prophet (pbuh), companions, and the salaf did not divide tawheed into three categories.. the first person to make this division was Ibn Taymiyya who lived in the 14th century, so why should we be obliged to accept it? the only tawheed we are obliged to follow is the tawheed mentioned the Quran and mutawatir hadiths.. anyways the whole purpose of the bid'ah of dividing tawheed into three, is to declare Muslims who believe in the permissibility of tawassul/tabarruk as mushriks..

[Samurai]

[QUOTE=Samurai;2130896]






Yes. His existence is evident (zahir) in the effects of His activity, whereas He Himself is not perceptible (ghayr mudrak) to our senses.

Surah Al-Hadid (Iron)

57:3 He is the First and the Last, [1] and the Outward as well as the Inward: [2] and He has full knowledge of everything.

هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

(57:3)

Instead of wasting time explaining your philosopy, please prove your statements with quotes from Qur'an &/or Hadith.



Listen you guys divide tawheed for the sake of proving a dogma against other muslims. The division of ibn taymiya is meaningless, the only supposive division is the type of names but infact the Quran unites all the names to meaning one and the same thing. All the names are the most powerful and they all encompass one another.

You can say Tawheed has different implications, political included. However, the belief tawheed is one and the same.

He however divided simply to attack other people as being outside tawheed when there is no proof at all they are outside tawheed. His division of tawheed is no where hinted in Quran, infact, his division is far away from the flow of the Quran. The Quran clear unambigiously through out links essence, glory and acts, and compliments each other by it and proves the religion through it. His essence, glory, and acts are linked in a way that no name has precedence over another. They are all one and the same. All names encompass all perfections. None of them don't. This is the state of reality however. The duties that come about from accepting his tawheed and believing in him is a subject of Quran, however, if a person fails in some of his duties, it doesn't put him out of Tawheed.

You guys emphasize on not interpeting God's supposive attributes such as hands, eye, face, nose, feet, then why do you make a interpetation of he is the outer as in "his existance is evident in creation". Is this all it means, that outer shows their is a creator, it's infact saying there is no difference seperation from the glory and the glorious. The mushrikeen believed in a Creator, so what's the point of mentioning the outer signs as proof of being a creator. It was a proof of Tawheed. The Quran takes the concept from one perspective saying "to God belongs the greatness in the heavens adn the earth" "to God belongs the treasures in the heavens and earth" "to God belongs the unseen" "Honour belongs to God all together" "To God belongs what is the heavens and the earth" but what is belonging, what does it mean. It means the signs are so linked to him that infact Quran says "Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth", it says "He is the Outward and Inward". The Quran is talking about a difficult concept for proud to accept, because their pride keep them from seeing.

The very people of Tawheed are the very people you think are mushriks for tawasul. Abdul Qadir Al-Jilani, Ibn Arabi, Hallaj, etc, these saints, they understood Quran and Tawheed in it's real sense. It is people who seperate God from his signs that Quran has critized as monafiqs who don't understand. The murshiks accepted creator, but they saw diversity in his attributes and divided him. They attributed different beings as manifestations of different attributes. The truth is God is one, there is no diversity, and his truth is manifest in levels of creation, from atoms to plants to insects to animals to high Angels (as) to the Prophets (as). He is the God to them all, and every creature shares in the truth. However they blinded themselves from his truth. God is the outward and inward. The very proof against mushrikeen is being denied by you into just meaning "signs there is a creator". They always believed in a creator. They worshipped forms thinking they link to creator, Quran shows they moving to multiplicty away from him. For all his names are one and the same, and for example "he responding to the distressed on when he calls", is describing him in his action which comprises other names such that God then says "is there God among Allah? Glory be to him above what they attribute". This is saying is this not all manifesting one being only is there not but one glory in all this, he who acts such is the absolute perfection which unites all perfection and in reality all his names are one and so his name Al-Rahman for example ecompasses all perfections and names as due all his names so then where is the room to diverse his attributes and turn to him to many parts? Which one of his names don't belong to him, which one of the beautiful names are not all encompassing, how can you diverse him and make him into many parts? Where do you see a diversity in his actions? Other verses say can't you see everything is created in truth and Allah (swt) is the truth so what after the truth is there but error?

So Allah (swt) is the outward and inward, the true meaning of "he is the outward"this comes through seeing "God is the light of the heavens and the earth".

[aboosait]

the only tawheed we are obliged to follow is the tawheed mentioned the Quran and mutawatir hadiths..

100% right. And the Qur'an does speak about Allah's Ruboobiyyah, and contains verses that speak about His Names and Attributes AND the way we are supposed to believe in them, and also verses that highlight His Uloohiyyah.

In other words, Allaah has mentioned what we mean by Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah, Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat and Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah in the Qur’aan already.

Linguistically the word ‘Tawheed’ means ‘to make something one’.

In its Islamic usage it means.

•To testify to the oneness of Allaah and,

•To worship Allaah alone

So one part of Tawheed is concerned with Knowledge and the other part of Tawheed is concerned with Action.

The part of Tawheed related to knowledge is a combination of Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah and Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat

The part of Tawheed concerned with Action has been termed as Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah

Thus the Salaf say that Tawheed is of three branches:

1.Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah

2.Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat

3.Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah


[QUOTE]Muslims who believe in the permissibility of tawassul/tabarruk

No one merely worshipped an idol of wood or stone. Worshipping of idols by Hindus and Fire by Majusis (fire worshippers) is based on the fact that they used idols and fire as a source or media to worship God.

It’s a pity that many Muslims today have the same belief like these Hindus and think that these dead or alive pious people would get them closer to God.

Some say that God is in them and everything is God. Some say that Muhammad (peace be upon him) can save them from Allah but if Muhammad (peace be upon him) gets hold of anyone then no one can help.

These concepts of polytheism came only because Quran was not read and understood properly.

By looking up in the Quran, we find that if Allah decides to punish someone then that person cannot be helped by anyone, even the Prophets of Allah become helpless at that moment.

The supplication of the Prophet was definitely a wasila for his companions.

They used to come to him for their problems and asked him to pray for them. The prophet used to pray for them and Allah solved their problems.

But this was when he was alive.

After he died, his companions never went to his grave to use him as an intercessor between Allah and themselves.

They were very clear that once someone dies, he breaks his links with this world and is not aware of what happens behind him.

This was the reason that during the need for rain (after Prophet's death) they (Prophet's companions) never went to his grave, they used to go to his uncle Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him), to invoke Allah for the rain.

It is of great importance to notice that it is permissible for one to request a living religious person to invoke Allah on his behalf but if you ask Allah through a dead or an absent (person etc) then it is not allowed.

Thus praying to Allah by oneself is also essential, apart from requesting someone else (living) to pray on behalf of someone.

For details visit: http://www.islamtomorrow.com/wasila/1.asp

Tabarruk is through acting upon the Book and the Sunnah and this is the type of barakah that remains extant today.

As for barakah through the remnants of the Messenger (sas) (i.e. hair etc.) then whoever claims to be in possession of any artefact needs an isnaad to prove that it is indeed so, since this is an arena where shirk can quite easily be committed.

However the certainty of proving this has diminished over time. Nevertheless, the Salaf affirm this type of tabarruk and that the Prophets and Messengers have the barakah of the physical essence and that with respect to the Final Messenger, Muhammad (sas), the Companions used to make tabarruk through his physical essence.

Every Muslim has barakah to the extent that he or she practises Islaam and follows the Book and the Sunnah. Also to the extent that a Muslim teaches others and brings about benefit by what he or she has learnt.

And this is the way of Ahl us-Sunnah, that they learn the religion and teach it to others and they rely upon this as a means of attaining barakah, as opposed to the heretics whose way and method is other than this.

For details visit: http://www.allaahuakbar.net/barelwiyat/tabarruk.htm

[Samurai]

As long as one keeps in mind God is the source of all goodness keeps in mind "all intercession belongs to God" keeps in mind "You did not threw when you threw but Allah threw" believes nothing can act independtly and all praise belong to him, all life, power, goodness, come from and return to him, he can seek intercession. If it was wrong to seek intercession of a dead person that it would be wrong but in no way can it be termed shirk. The reason why is the logic that shows it's not shirk when with us in this world shows it's not shirk when not with us but in different world. It would be an error. If someone thought someone was a telephone line but he wasn't, it would not be shirk to think he was hearing him. Likewise, if we believe God conveys our salams to the Nabi (pbuh) or the Nabi (saw) hears us through permission of God and that God alone is the true existance by which all things exist, then in no way can it be termed shirk. At most, it can be said to be a wrong action, but it's not in anways shirk.

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]..........The very proof against mushrikeen....................They always believed in a creator. They worshipped forms thinking they link to creator,...
in reality all his names are one and so his name Al-Rahman for example ecompasses all perfections and names as due all his names........

You have very well understood the part of tawheed agreed upon by the mushrikeen.

They (the mushrikeen) believed in the part of Tawheed related to knowledge (a combination of Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah and Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat) and they do even today testify to the oneness of Allaah.

And we read in the Qur'an that all the Prophets reminded them (the mushriks) of the above belief which was already present in them (the mushriks) and at the same time invited them towards the remaining part of Tawheed which is concerned with Action (Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah) ie, to worship Allaah alone

Your posts suggest that you are in favour of ignoring the part of Tawheed concerned with Action (termed as Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah ) ie to Worship Allah Alone, whereas this part of tawheed is what the mushrikeen also disbelieved in.

[Samurai]

The condemned seeking intercession is as i said when seeing Allah (swt) has with him beings that are diverse aspects and are means to him, they also believe these beings intercede in the sense they independtly act on their own and interceded them with the Creator. They didn't see all praise belonging to God, they didn't see these beings as merely nothing with Allah (swt), they didn't see them as non-existant beings that have no real existance but that God is the real existance and the source of existance and the real agent behind any intercession, they didn't see God as the real intercessor and that intercessors interceded but in his will, they didn't see God as one uniting in him all perfections, being the real existance and that all other beings have no existance on own, no power on own, no intercession on own, and that power belongs wholly to God, ayatal kursi is infact comprhensive of tawheed, the verse two verses of suratal Fatiha is comprehensive of tawheed, suratal ikhlas is comprehensive of tawheed.

Stop interpeting Quran for dogma and hate.

[Samurai]

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You have very well understood the part of tawheed agreed upon by the mushrikeen.

They (the mushrikeen) believed in the part of Tawheed related to knowledge (a combination of Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah and Tawheed ul-Asmaa was-Sifaat) and they do even today testify to the oneness of Allaah.

And we read in the Qur'an that all the Prophets reminded them (the mushriks) of the above belief which was already present in them (the mushriks) and at the same time invited them towards the remaining part of Tawheed which is concerned with Action (Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah) ie, to worship Allaah alone

Your posts suggest that you are in favour of ignoring the part of Tawheed concerned with Action (termed as Tawheed ul-Uloohiyyah ) ie to Worship Allah Alone, whereas this part of tawheed is what the mushrikeen also disbelieved in.

Do you read Quran, why does it say they attribute God other Gods, why does it say "where there Gods with him like you say", they no way believed in Tawheed, man read Quran properly. You are truly ignorant, they accept their was creator, they didn't unify him, they diversified him.

[Samurai]

People read suratal Ikhlaas, that is Tawheed, don't buy into garbage dogma beyond it.

I'm out, I don't feel like arguing at all in this month of Ramadan so won't be back till month is over.

[aboosait]

all life, power, goodness, come from and return to him, he can seek intercession.

Yes, the mushriks on whom the Prophets were sent to preach also believed in that and the mushriks of today also are of the same belief.. I know this because I am in India and I have read and heard great Hindu scholars about this belief.

The point where we differ is that our tawheed includes Uloohiya which means that Allah alone is to be worshipped. And all the Prophets of Allah preached this.

[QUOTE]If it was wrong to seek intercession of a dead person that it would be wrong but in no way can it be termed shirk.

We are not discussing your philosopy or my philosophy or our Shaikhs' philosophies but "tawheed" as described in Qur'an and Sunnah.

If someone thought someone was a telephone line but he wasn't, it would not be shirk to think he was hearing him.

We would consider him insane.

[aboosait]

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Do you read Quran, ..........You are truly ignorant, ................they accept their was creator, they didn't unify him, they diversified him.

According to the Qur’an, the ability to perceive the existence of the Supreme Power is inborn in human nature (fitrah); and it is this instinctive cognition-which may or may not be subsequently blurred by self-indulgence or adverse environmental influences.

Now read what Allah s.w.t. is telling about their belief on His being Raaziq, rubb, Haakim etc.

Please open the Qur'an and read for yourself.

Ramzan is also the month of Qur'an.

Since Qur'an is Allah's word, seeing it, reading it without understanding is no doubt virtuous. But that is not what it was sent down for. You have to understand what it says.

Yunus (Jonah) قُلْ مَن يَرْزُقُكُم مِّنَ السَّمَاء وَالأَرْضِ أَمَّن يَمْلِكُ السَّمْعَ والأَبْصَارَ وَمَن يُخْرِجُ الْحَيَّ مِنَ الْمَيِّتِ وَيُخْرِجُ الْمَيَّتَ مِنَ الْحَيِّ وَمَن يُدَبِّرُ الأَمْرَ فَسَيَقُولُونَ اللّهُ فَقُلْ أَفَلاَ تَتَّقُونَ(10:31)

10:31 SAY: "Who is it that provides you with sustenance out of heaven and earth, or who is it that has full power over [your] hearing and sight? And who is it that brings forth the living out of that which is dead, and brings forth the dead out of that which is alive? And who is it that governs all that exists?" And they will [surely] answer: " God. , Say, then: "Will you not, then, become [fully] conscious of Him-

Now read these verses also;
[I]worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful; (An-Nisa 4:36)



Verily, Allâh forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He pleases, and whoever sets up partners with Allâh in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin. (An-Nisa 4:48)


Verily! Allâh forgives not (the sin of) setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom he pleases sins other than that, and whoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, has indeed strayed far away. (An-Nisa 4:116)


We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allâh, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong¬doers). (Aali Imran 3:151)

[hkrespect]

asalamu alaikum wr

for all the sufis saying the categorisation is a biddah, don't you believe in the notion of good biddah?

ws

[aboosait]

asalamu alaikum wr

for all the sufis saying the categorisation is a biddah, don't you believe in the notion of good biddah?

ws

Perhaps they have kept it aside after reading my post on the following page.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2114421#post2114421

Or is it a temporary arrangement for Ramadhaan?

[Skilly]

Assalamu alaikum wr wb

Brother's and Sister's we should be reminded that this is the blessed month of ramadhan and we should put most side of the argument right now aside, as it is easy to get irritated, become forgetful and lose one anger at each other

Also 4 pages of thread show's that whatever one say these brothers would alway's make an issue out of nothing.

It is not the 3 category in reality they have a problem, it is what is taught as it mainly goes against some of their sufi (not all sufi's) or and ashari/maturidi doctrine.
(or they talking ignorantly)

So their specious argument is because of this.

No idiot would look upon three category as bidah, as this category is for explanation & learning purposes.
No idiot would say what is said in each category is a lie.

You will see them arguing so passionately with you.

[aboosait]

[QUOTE]Assalamu alaikum wr wb


:wswrwb:

According to Newton's Law, work is said to be done if the point of application of force moves.

But here even if the point of application of force does not move, work is done.

Our duty is to bring the Truth to light. We will Insha Allah be rewarded for this. If the listener is under the influence of negating forces which neglect the Word of Qur'an and Sunnah and sticks to the words of his/her Sufi Shaiks, who is the loser?

[Silver Pearl]

asalamu alaikum wr

for all the sufis saying the categorisation is a biddah, don't you believe in the notion of good biddah?

ws

Wa alaykum salam warahamtullaah,

It is incorrect to assume those who deem the categorisation of Tawheed as bid'ah to be sufis. Imaam Shafi'ee rahimullaah spoke of good bid'ah (and it is authentically reported by Al Bayhaqi) so let us be careful what we say.

If a person thinks the categorisation of tawheed is bid'ah then they have their reasons. If people think otherwise, likewise they have their reasons. Quarreling about it doesn't resolve anything.

Skilly made a good reminder about it being Ramadhan.

[al faqeer]

Ramadaan Kareem .

:up:

[aboosait]

Ramadaan Kareem .

:up:

Good reminder. :jkk: Let people refrain from posting false narrations in the name of Hadith at least now.

[hkrespect]

asalamu alaikum wr

for all the sufis saying the categorisation is a biddah, don't you believe in the notion of good biddah?

ws

Wa alaykum salam warahamtullaah,

It is incorrect to assume those who deem the categorisation of Tawheed as bid'ah to be sufis.

asalamu alaikum wr

i asked - "for all the sufis saying..."

i did not state - "all the sufis say..."

it was a question specific to the sufis on this thread sayings its a biddah.

ws

[aboosait]

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Do you read Quran, why does it say they attribute God other Gods, why does it say "where there Gods with him like you say", they no way believed in Tawheed, man read Quran properly. You are truly ignorant, they accept their was creator, they didn't unify him, they diversified him.

I do read Qur'an butI am not able to recollect as to which verse you are trying to interpret here. Kindly post the verse number and Surah.

[al faqeer]

I see you guys are discussing this Bida again eh ?

[aboosait]

I see you guys are discussing this Bida again eh ?

Hey, where had you been?