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Al-Qamar
11-08-07, 09:57 PM
:salams

I read a hadith whereby the prophet saw performed the Raful ya Dayn.

Since reading this, I've started doing it since a few weeks ago.

Some relatives saw me pray like this and told others in my family that I'm a wahabi mashaAllah.

Is there a particular reason behind raful ya dayn? Because the hadith was translated in urdu, I'm unable to locate the english translation. I'd be interested to know one in english insha'Allah.

When I showed the arabic hadith, translated to urdu, although it was a section dedicated to prayer from saheeh / muslim, the critics suggested that wahabi's may have written it. So they're on a quest to find sahih Bukhari / Muslim books with hadith that they approve of.

Can anyone point to more information on this?

I feel this line of thinking is going to be a cause of debate in future discussions.

Eg. Some argue that the wahabi's say that the Prophet saw was a man audubillah, but he really is noor. I argued, but Allah swt says in the Qur'an that Muhammad saw was a man (insaan). They say
'yes, but we can not say the same'??? Don't know the logic in that. I asked for hadith / daleel, where the Prophet saw approved this belief that he saw was noor... still waiting.

I sense that their argument will be that the sources I read will be compiled by wahabi's, wheras I've never seen one daleel to support their line of belief. Simply their line is, we were told this by a pious person, are you denying that they did not know their stuff?

ibn suleman
11-08-07, 10:12 PM
:wswrwb:

there is strong evidence for both opinions.

al-ghazalli
11-08-07, 11:07 PM
The Hanafi's and Maliki's believe that Rafl al-Yadin was an isolated opinion and that it doesn't represent the strongest proof coming from the Sahaba in regards to this issue.

Needless to say it is a minor issue and if one practises it there is no harm in it and if one refrains from it then again there is no harm in it.

As long as we learn to respect each others different fiqhi opinions.

The reason why many Pakistani/Indian people are against Rafl al-Yadin is the constant attacks by some Ahl-Hadith Ulema on the Hanafi's for not following this practise.

So forgive your relatives people in the subcontinent have a tendency to make mountains out of mole hills.


And with Allah is all Success.