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dynamo
16-07-07, 04:04 PM
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but I do not have knowledge of the answer. Can you help me interpret the following:

"Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph."

I'm trying to reconcile this with the message that "Islam is a religion of peace".

aisha2007
16-07-07, 04:24 PM
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but I do not have knowledge of the answer. Can you help me interpret the following:

"Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph."

I'm trying to reconcile this with the message that "Islam is a religion of peace".

What is there to reconcile?
I would fight in the way of Allah if I was attacked....we are told to defend ourselves.
We are also taught that the pen is mightier than the sword.

dynamo
16-07-07, 04:30 PM
Aisha,
Thanks for your comment. But there is nothing in this verse that says anything about being attacked, or defending oneself.
Hopefully the pen is indeed mightier than the sword, but this verse talks about "slaying and being slain". Which seems to be more about the sword than the pen.
Obviously, I need more knowledge to understand this properly.

aisha2007
16-07-07, 05:00 PM
Aisha,
Thanks for your comment. But there is nothing in this verse that says anything about being attacked, or defending oneself.
Hopefully the pen is indeed mightier than the sword, but this verse talks about "slaying and being slain". Which seems to be more about the sword than the pen.
Obviously, I need more knowledge to understand this properly.

Then to get a true understanding of it aask a shayk....go to somewhere like sultan.org or to the website for the cental mosque in london where you can get online fatwas.....and you really need to write the iyats that are before and after the iyat to have something explained in context.

dynamo
17-07-07, 02:56 PM
This was a serious question, folks.
British Muslims are constantly telling us humble kafirs we should learn more about Islam.
So I've come to a place called "Learn about Islam". But so far the only answer I've had to my question is "go and ask it somewhere else".
There's no point complaining about "Islamophobia" if you won't enter into a dialogue with someone who is actually willing to listen!

Servant of Allah
17-07-07, 03:02 PM
I'm sure this question must have been asked before, but I do not have knowledge of the answer. Can you help me interpret the following:

"Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph."

I'm trying to reconcile this with the message that "Islam is a religion of peace".

Peace be upon those who seek guidance,

Please could you give the Surah name (or number) and ayat number.

And peace be upon those who seek guidance.

THE PATH 2
17-07-07, 03:03 PM
dialogue with one who chooses one aayah out of thousands to suit an agenda?

dynamo
17-07-07, 03:29 PM
Servant of Allah,
Does this help identify the quote:

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PICKTHAL: Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

The Path 2,
I found this quote elsewhere, presented as 'evidence' that Islam is not a religion of peace. Instead of taking it at face value, I thought I should seek a Muslim point of view.
Surely, if the Koran is the word of God, then it should be possible to choose any verse and find truth. I'd just like to know what this one means to Muslims.

THE PATH 2
17-07-07, 03:30 PM
I'd just like to know what this one means to Muslims.


just this one?

dynamo
17-07-07, 03:39 PM
just this one?

It's a start. I'm not sure what the problem is here.

THE PATH 2
17-07-07, 04:16 PM
It's a start. I'm not sure what the problem is here.

http://quran-tafsir.org/

plenty here..enjoy:)