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I see there is NO comparison in the bible and the Koran. When it comes to Jesus telling his people things such as how he is the way to his father and such things. I am sure many converts know that his disciples are very detailed in parts of there gospels.
How does this factor into Islam?
I see there is NO comparison in the bible and the Koran. When it comes to Jesus telling his people things such as how he is the way to his father and such things. I am sure many converts know that his disciples are very detailed in parts of there gospels.
How does this factor into Islam?
IMHO the bible is corrupt ie the nicene councils crafted it into a tool of political control rather then the pure word of Jesus.
As a christian, do you believe that God's word is eternal? If you answer yes, then you have to ask yourself why did the christian version of Jesus have to come to eliminate all of the rules and regulations of the old testament. Take a look through Leviticus and see the rules that were eliminated by the christian church. If God is eternal and all seeing, why would he have not simply instituted christianity in the first place rather then create all of the instability and upheaval.
I have heard christians say that Christ had to come and be crucified to attone for the sins of man. Ask yourself this, if God is omnipotent and all knowing, why would he "have" to abide by any rules and make Christ suffer like that? To say that he had to do that places limits on God
Maureen
14-07-07, 01:01 AM
IMHO the bible is corrupt ie the nicene councils crafted it into a tool of political control rather then the pure word of Jesus.
As a christian, do you believe that God's word is eternal? If you answer yes, then you have to ask yourself why did the christian version of Jesus have to come to eliminate all of the rules and regulations of the old testament. Take a look through Leviticus and see the rules that were eliminated by the christian church. If God is eternal and all seeing, why would he have not simply instituted christianity in the first place rather then create all of the instability and upheaval.
I have heard christians say that Christ had to come and be crucified to attone for the sins of man. Ask yourself this, if God is omnipotent and all knowing, why would he "have" to abide by any rules and make Christ suffer like that? To say that he had to do that places limits on God
The Nicene council 325ad. has nothing whatsoever to do with the pure word of Jesus. The political aspect of that council (Constantine [the sun-god worshipper] who converted to Christianity late in life, certainly used the time for his own political purpose, but this was totally apart from what Jesus taught. Constantine was a Christian but not perfect. There is another web-site that has explored the 325 council in grat depth and with debate, which I can give you if you pm. me.
As to why God did not institute Christianity earlier: It was because of man's sins that it was necessary to send Jesus (the earthly form of God) to die for us on the cross.
There are absolutely no limits on God. I cannot see the connection you are making there.
In the Bible, OT and NT, we get many aspects of God's word. The Qur'an (of which much I can believe and enjoy reading) does not have this multi-faceted narrative.
The Nicene council 325ad. has nothing whatsoever to do with the pure word of Jesus. The political aspect of that council (Constantine [the sun-god worshipper] who converted to Christianity late in life, certainly used the time for his own political purpose, but this was totally apart from what Jesus taught. Constantine was a Christian but not perfect. There is another web-site that has explored the 325 council in grat depth and with debate, which I can give you if you pm. me.
fell free to post it here for everyone to review. I suspect that it would be of great interest to more then just myself. My understanding was that many people with views considered heresy by the Nicene council were persecuted and their texts rejected and destroyed
As to why God did not institute Christianity earlier: It was because of man's sins that it was necessary to send Jesus (the earthly form of God) to die for us on the cross.
There are absolutely no limits on God. I cannot see the connection you are making there.
Why was it "necessary" if he makes the rules? Why did Christianity have to be based on human sacrifice and symbolic cannibilism? God knows all, he sees all, he is omnipotent and infallible, right? Why didn't he foresee this and allow the jews to carry on for 3000 years of messing up before he corrected them? Why did he have to resort to human sacrifice like the worshippers of Ba'al to pull off the redemption of humanity.
The NT takes a huge left turn from the OT while many things in the OT and the Qu'ran do jive with some differences. The essential message is very similiar while the NT was a radical departure from the teachings of the OT.
In the Bible, OT and NT, we get many aspects of God's word. The Qur'an (of which much I can believe and enjoy reading) does not have this multi-faceted narrative.
Certainly there are many prophets. Islam acknowledges this and even reveres Jesus/Issa(pbuh) as a prophet above other prophets. The prophets all have their words told more or less as they said them. The bulk of the NT is written by a man that never was in the same city with Jesus never mind met him and yet, we are supposed to believe his interpretation? The same man that said that he would have all men be as him and never know the touch of a woman? The same man that was a pharisee, of which is the requirement to be a married rabbi.
The church even changed the basic story of Adam and Eve. The Talmud refers to a trickster serpent in the garden...no mention of a name or anything to say that this was satan himself
Maureen,
please explain what you mean by the Qur'an not have the multiple aspects of God's word.
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