serious problem abt intention of marriage vs. fitna that come along

[flower123]

Assalaamu `alaykum wr wb

I have question which the problem is serious. I have a friend, let say her nickname is AA, a married woman,niqabi. Her sister KK is a divorced woman and live in develop country.In the past, KK live jahiliya for many years, she like clubbing,khamar,zina & had white boyfriend who was non-muslim & rich too. She couldn't marry him coz he was non-muslim. Then she changed, start wearing hijab,in hope she could get marry, but not with local man (with brown skin) coz she really like to have white(caucasian) man as husband, and rich too. So she really hope to marry a white revert muslim who is only from rich country and could bring her to live in the country too. Because it is not easy to find white man who would like to marry her in her country, so she planned to travel to UK. KK contact her sister's husband male relative in UK (nickname HH) so that HH could help her to get family sponsor visa & let her to stay there for 6 months. HH agree to help her. UK is her dream country, and she will work illegally with tourist visa for 6 month there & her main intention is to search for white UK man citizen. She said to her sister AA that she wants to find white man who is rich, handsome, and revert muslim, so that can get marry & she can get P.R. AA wished her sister good luck for that. It seem KK want to take off hijab in UK eventhough he sister advice her to keep the hijab.Eventhough KK seem turn to Islam life, but she still keep in touch with her non-muslim rich ex-boyfriend until now. She get flight ticket free to UK from her ex-boyfriend. She didn't tell her ex that she wanna come to UK to search for man for marriage purpose, just telling him that she want to find job there. AA also seem excited to see her sister to go to UK for family or material status. As a friend of KK's sister, AA, I was asking AA, why she as a niqabi which we know as good person, she give support to her sister to come to UK-- alone, sponsored by HH, facing with too much fitna, and the worst is, KK still keep in touch with her non-muslim ex-bf (a man who she did many times zina) and got free flight ticket from him.
If KK really sincere to be a good muslima, she would avoid to keep in touch with her ex, and ho gets flight ticket from her ex-bf(the man who she did zina) use it to go to UK to find white husband, and how that could be Barakah while the ticket is from her zina man and use it to travel to find rich revert muslim white man of UK citizen for marriage. If KK's future husband knew this, that would really hurt him. AA as a niqabi woman keep support KK to go to UK to find rich white, eventho she knows KK with face fitna that KK will take off hijab and go around and tempt or attract any men in 6 months stay using visa, so that she can get marry and can get p.resident. Im so upset with AA, that as good muslima she should has better advice, that stopping her sister from going there but she keep supporting her. AA also told me that she also wish her sister KK get marry with rich man. Does materialistic life blind her heart? KK's family life in her country is good enough, why still choose a way which may shatter her iman? Maybe nothing wrong to travel to UK, but in her situation, really need your opinion and advice. What do you think about this problem and this whole situation in Islamic way? How far is permitted in Islam and the barakah issue too. I told AA how could her sister KK want to find husband in this way, but AA just ignore and she kept encourage her sister to travel t UK alone (her wali can't travel, actually KK want to travel alone due to financial limit because UK is her dream country, and intend to take off her hijab too) and work illegally for awhile, find rich man, and say nothing abt her sister who use the flight ticket that she got from a non-muslim man that she did zina with for many years(im not sure is this her sugar daddy?) and use the ticket to travel to UK to find revert muslim white citizen rich husband. Pls advice. Advice from alim is appreciated.

[flower123]

Assalaamu `alaykum wr wb

I have question which the problem is serious. I have a friend, let say her nickname is AA, a married woman,niqabi. Her sister KK is a divorced woman and live in develop country.In the past, KK live jahiliya for many years, she like clubbing,khamar,zina & had white boyfriend who was non-muslim & rich too. She couldn't marry him coz he was non-muslim. Then she changed, start wearing hijab,in hope she could get marry, but not with local man (with brown skin) coz she really like to have white(caucasian) man as husband, and rich too. So she really hope to marry a white revert muslim who is only from rich country and could bring her to live in the country too. Because it is not easy to find white man who would like to marry her in her country, so she planned to travel to UK. KK contact her sister's husband male relative in UK (nickname HH) so that HH could help her to get family sponsor visa & let her to stay there for 6 months. HH agree to help her. UK is her dream country, and she will work illegally with tourist visa for 6 month there & her main intention is to search for white UK man citizen. She said to her sister AA that she wants to find white man who is rich, handsome, and revert muslim, so that can get marry & she can get P.R. AA wished her sister good luck for that. It seem KK want to take off hijab in UK eventhough he sister advice her to keep the hijab.Eventhough KK seem turn to Islam life, but she still keep in touch with her non-muslim rich ex-boyfriend until now. She get flight ticket free to UK from her ex-boyfriend. She didn't tell her ex that she wanna come to UK to search for man for marriage purpose, just telling him that she want to find job there. AA also seem excited to see her sister to go to UK for family or material status. As a friend of KK's sister, AA, I was asking AA, why she as a niqabi which we know as good person, she give support to her sister to come to UK-- alone, sponsored by HH, facing with too much fitna, and the worst is, KK still keep in touch with her non-muslim ex-bf (a man who she did many times zina) and got free flight ticket from him.
If KK really sincere to be a good muslima, she would avoid to keep in touch with her ex, and ho gets flight ticket from her ex-bf(the man who she did zina) use it to go to UK to find white husband, and how that could be Barakah while the ticket is from her zina man and use it to travel to find rich revert muslim white man of UK citizen for marriage. If KK's future husband knew this, that would really hurt him. AA as a niqabi woman keep support KK to go to UK to find rich white, eventho she knows KK with face fitna that KK will take off hijab and go around and tempt or attract any men in 6 months stay using visa, so that she can get marry and can get p.resident. Im so upset with AA, that as good muslima she should has better advice, that stopping her sister from going there but she keep supporting her. AA also told me that she also wish her sister KK get marry with rich man. Does materialistic life blind her heart? KK's family life in her country is good enough, why still choose a way which may shatter her iman? Maybe nothing wrong to travel to UK, but in her situation, really need your opinion and advice. What do you think about this problem and this whole situation in Islamic way? How far is permitted in Islam and the barakah issue too. I told AA how could her sister KK want to find husband in this way, but AA just ignore and she kept encourage her sister to travel t UK alone (her wali can't travel, actually KK want to travel alone due to financial limit because UK is her dream country, and intend to take off her hijab too) and work illegally for awhile, find rich man, and say nothing abt her sister who use the flight ticket that she got from a non-muslim man that she did zina with for many years(im not sure is this her sugar daddy?) and use the ticket to travel to UK to find revert muslim white citizen rich husband. Pls advice. Advice from alim is appreciated.

[heaven2002]

advise them that muslims marry for piety not skin colour , nationality or wealth
and then stay out it

[Kal-El]

Wa'alaikum Salaam Flower,

To be honest with you, she isn't in any position to be making such ludicrous requirements. Her heart (and what a heart huh) is still dominating her mentality - how does she expect her life to change for the better, if she doesn't change for the better first?

[Abu Ahlam]

Wa Alaikum Salaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatahu,

I sincerely advise that you stay away from such people, least their hypocrisy/munafiqeen comes into your heart.

[sisterKhadija]

advise them that muslims marry for piety not skin colour , nationality or wealth
and then stay out it


I agree! :hidban::hidban::hidban:

[flower123]

Im agree with u all sisters. There is another one thing that I concern, like if we want to find life partner, I mean a good life partner insya Allah, we should try our best to make the way to achieve it all in clean way.

When this sister AA talked that her sister KK want to marry a good muslim husband, but what make me wonder is, KK still keep in touch with her ex-boyfriend who is rich non-muslim (her ex-boyfriend who she did zina for many years, spend alot of money for her, as sugar daddy), and she plead him to give her flight ticket and he bought that ticket to go to UK to her. She didn't tell him that her main plan she want to UK is to hunt for rich white man. She just tell her ex-boyfriend that she want to find job.

Then she also tried to contact male relative of AA's husband in UK to sponsor her to come to UK, and the man(HH) agree to sign for family sponsored visa for her to stay there longer. HH already married and he has business in UK.

KK ask HH to let her to work in his shop while at the same time she seach for job (working illegally). She didn't tell HH that she want to come to UK to find husband, she just telling him that she come there to work.

How could this be... want to find good muslim husband, but using the material resource (the ticket) from a man that she used to do zina before and still keep in touch with him. If she really wanna turn to be good muslima, she should stay away from this man. And then she borrow money from bank and do anything to go to UK, and travel alone too and intend to work illegally, and to hunt for rich man.

I am upset and wonder with AA, why she didn't comment anything about it, but keep going give support to her sister KK. With their conversation, AA said, 'I wish u meet rich UK revert muslim white man', and KK said 'I wish to marry revert muslim rich UK white man from honored family'.

Staying 6 months limit to hunt for the man and work illegally, and if not, overstay illegally.. all on the way is full with fitna with intention to find husband.

There is hadith about amar ma'ruf and nahi mungkar. I know AA probably will not listen to my advice, maybe she think she better than me.. she niqabi.. im not (but I intend to wear it oneday InsyaAllah), ans AA not stopping her sister HH to go to UK, because AA herself she want her sister to get rich man for family status. She support KK alot to go to UK, and said 'wow! u will be in UK! my husbad's relative was back from UK and bring a lot of beautiful quality clothes and expensive perfume and branded things from UK.' as wish she probably may get it from her sister KK one day too. United Kingdom.. is KK' dream country.

Maybe you all right sister, that I should stay away from AA. But Im still confused..


Maybe I have no high knowledge about Islam, but what confused me is, in their conversation, they always use 'may Allah ease me to achieve my dream', 'may Allah help me'.. with this kind of du'a for the things that create big fitna, how far the effort that they took to get marry is permissible in Islam? This confused me sometimes to see muslims like this (but they wear hijab and niqab?)

What do you all think, in Islamic side, about KK and her ex-boyfriend(or sugardaddy that spend money and ticket for her *see paragraph 2) and AA didn't say anything about it, and HH issue too, which all this way to she wanna use as effort to get marry?

Please explain all sisters and brothers. I am confused sometimes to see this situation.

[Kal-El]

Inshallah, you will all find peace soon. But fixing a wrong by doing a wrong won't make a right.

[angel*]

Mmmm i dont see how u can help if her own sis is kool with it or is accepting it, best thing wuld b is 2 let them sort it out themselves, what "KK" is doing is wrong no doubt, but if there isnt anything you can do, id just advise you to let it be and just pray that she seez the error of her wayz.

[neelu]

You don't need our advice, it looks as though you know full well what's going on and what the implications are. Obviously there is no barakah in staying in contact with a Kafir ex bf (is he really an 'ex' if he's still close enough to send her money?) and any sincere white revert brother needs to steer well clear if she really is as you describe. I think her sister 'AA' needs a lot of dawah and naseeha, just because she dresses like a respectable muslimah it doesn't mean that she really understands Islam if she is as materialistic as you describe.

[flower123]

(neela, Im continuing at thread 'travel to find husband...' http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131678 )

[flower123]

neelu wrote:

Re: serious problem abt intention of marriage vs. fitna that come along

You don't need our advice, it looks as though you know full well what's going on and what the implications are. Obviously there is no barakah in staying in contact with a Kafir ex bf (is he really an 'ex' if he's still close enough to send her money?) and any sincere white revert brother needs to steer well clear if she really is as you describe. I think her sister 'AA' needs a lot of dawah and naseeha, just because she dresses like a respectable muslimah it doesn't mean that she really understands Islam if she is as materialistic as you describe.

Thanks Kal EL, angle and neelu. I know what's going on and what the implications are, neelu. What confused me is about the respectable dresses have contradiction with real muslima character. As me probably have little knowledge about Islam, that may confused me, is it right and permissible for a sister encourage her sister to go to achieve for material dream by ignoring the resource of the travel, like the flight ticket got from rich ex-bf(and why don't KK stay away from her ex-bf who she used to slept with him many times in many years??? and AA never ever ask her to avoid this man? and AA just kept quite and happy to see her sister got flight ticket from this man, keep encourage her to go to UK alone?) and contacting relative male of her sister's husband in UK, and travel alone overthere, do anything included work illegally while hunting for a rich revert man for marriage... u're right neelu, this sister probably doesn't really understand Islam, or maybe material blind her heart. Im so sad with that.

I got comment from other sister in another forum which she said:


Don't worry about it. Men aren't as stupid as you think. I am not saying she will not find a man in the UK...I am saying, she will not find a GOOD man in the UK. She will attract someone just like herself.

And don't worry about AA, the "good" sister. Family members often see only the good side of a person and that is the part they choose to love. Don't try to make this woman see the bad side of her sister because it will only hurt YOUR relationship with her.

It sounds to me like AA is telling you this stuff just to have someone to talk to. So be a good friend and listen without offering any advice...if she was interested in taking your advice, you wouldn't be writing here.
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What I find really sad, is that this 'sister' will probably get exactly what she wants, (rich, white convert), by doing what she is doing, and whoever gets her, will also probably be relatively deserving of her. (aka - too shallow and hypocritical of a person, to get better) Especially if she is good looking. Most men don't seem to care a whole lot about character, as long as the face is pretty...

As for the other sister who is helping to 'sponsor' all this, I wouldn't say her deen is all that strong either, (despite outward appearances) if she's willing to go along with all this, and you should probably be looking for a better quality of associates, all the way around.... Who knows what they might end up dragging you into, down the road a ways?
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Highlight to, Who knows what they might end up dragging you into, down the road a ways? Masya Allah. The comment from the sisters are right.

[assia]

walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh....

I dont like to judge anybody or pass judgement on, however as the posts below say... there is not much advise we can give you, she seems out of control, doing what she pleases, making her own choices etc. by wearing the hijab then wanting to take it off in the Uk should be enough for you not to bother with what she aims to achieve here in the Uk, i agree with the post below any muslim should keep well away from her, she only is thinking of money, white man convert. she is judgeing people by the colour of there skin this is bad behaviour very bad, she appears way out of control. She appears to me putting on an act.... to other muslim, want to be muslim, dont want to be muslim, put on hijab, take off hijab. She is out to get what she wants and does not care who she hurts in the process. Her sister loves her and will support her in the hope she changes, and her husband Hh well he is doing it for the love of his wife which u can understand. Just let her get on with it and stay out of it all.

May Allah (swt) guide her to the right path Ameen

Sorry if i appear harsh

[`asiya]

walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh....

I dont like to judge anybody or pass judgement on, however as the posts below say... there is not much advise we can give you, she seems out of control, doing what she pleases, making her own choices etc. by wearing the hijab then wanting to take it off in the Uk should be enough for you not to bother with what she aims to achieve here in the Uk, i agree with the post below any muslim should keep well away from her, she only is thinking of money, white man convert. she is judgeing people by the colour of there skin this is bad behaviour very bad, she appears way out of control. She appears to me putting on an act.... to other muslim, want to be muslim, dont want to be muslim, put on hijab, take off hijab. She is out to get what she wants and does not care who she hurts in the process. Her sister loves her and will support her in the hope she changes, and her husband Hh well he is doing it for the love of his wife which u can understand. Just let her get on with it and stay out of it all.

May Allah (swt) guide her to the right path Ameen

Sorry if i appear harsh

good advise masha Allah ukhti and above jazakumAllahu khairin :up:

we ask Allah ta ala, to guide her insha Allah make duaa for this woman and those like her insha Allah, may Allah guide us all amin.

[assia]

JazakAllah khair ukhti asiya....

[flower123]

HH is not AA's husband. HH is a brother of AA's husband.
While KK is AA's sister, and she never met HH.

HH is strange, he never sign to give family sponsor visa to his own real siblings who has blood connection with him, but really strange he sign and agree to sponsor KK after KK called him many times asking for help, and even though he knows the risk that KK come to UK with no money, will depend on him financially, (HH has wife), and KK will work illegally. What is the hidden intention of HH by agreeing too be her sponsor while he has no blood connection at all with her, and how did KK talked to him by phone that melt HH to sign and send documents to sponsor visa for her?
If HH realy intend to help KK (while HH never do this for his own real siblings) or he attracted to meet her (since he already saw her picture), what can say is, HH is wrong because KK will not looking at him, KK only use HH. And her real intention to come to UK is to hunt for rich white man.

KK use her ex-boyfriend (who she used to did zina with him many times before), kept in touch with him, and she plead him to give her flight ticket to UK.

Maybe KK want to take off her hijab overthere, thats her own business. But the point here is, why she put herself in this situation which she surrounded with many men who is not mahram, included non-muslim exboyfriend who she slept with him many times too (why not she avoid him?) and use all them to achieve her dream to marry a revert muslim white rich man?

I noticed to AA, is this really barakah to do this? And even this also confusing me. I agree with you all here in ummah forum, that AA should have get advice(naseeha) and understanding about Islam, or maybe she understand it, just nafs of material blind her.

Yes, maybe there is nothing can we do, I am just confused, as in Islam we have a something what we call as 'amar ma'ruf nahi munkar'. There is hadith by Rasoul s.a.w that says, if we see something munkar (evil or ma'hsiah/fitna between man and woman), then, we should take action to prevent it with our hand/power, if not able to do that, with our voice or speak, and if unable to do that, with heart by hate it, and hate it by heart is the sign of weak of iman.
I know this their business, theis their life, but if I just quiet leave them that way, and just listen what AA and KK says, is that mean I become a part of them too in accepting what they doing? Is that mean I fail to do duty of 'nahi munkar'? I know I able to speak, should I speak even only once, no matter they listen or not? Or is it just better keep quiet like this? And I know AA as KK's sister can take action and at least speak, but her action is supporting her sister even though she knows the resource of the flight ticket is from the KK's ex-boyfriend that she slept with, and how KK connect to HH, just telling him that she wanna work (HH knows she will work illegally), and hide her plan to hunt for white man from HH (do the same with her ex=bf too) and how strange HH just accept to do the sponsor visa while he never do it for his own siblings.. use all this method and while supporting her sister KK, AA says, "May Allah ease your way so that you meet white rich revert man with UK citizen".

How barakah is this? Like drinking khamar with recite Basmallah.

If I be quiet, will I be a part of them? Or should I speak even once, and then after that leave them? I am confused.

(p/s: this thread is continuetion form thread ' http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131678 ' == same content, sorry for posting two times because of my internet connection problem before.)

[Debater]

flower, you need help, don't do gheebah of a sis, maybe your lying about this sis, or maybe you have made up a story to gain whatever, personally I'm not interested in that, and your story seems dumb in the beginning coz you said she had a white boy friend and then you said she wanted to come to UK, that's stupid, if she was in a developing country as you said, where did the white b/f come from? From under a tree?
And yeah, stop this stupid game, if there's really a sister as you described above, then don't think she's worse than you, maybe she's better or maybe her end is better, because guidance is only with Allah, He guides whom He wishes.
Now go to sleep..

[flower123]

debater, thank you for your comment.
the story maybe sound unreal to you, I swear it really happen, and Wallah that I am not lying this story really happen and Im witness of it. yes, she has boyfriend who always come to her country for business purpose. but her boyfriend didn't wanna marry her. just want her for nafs. Im upset for her, but she has sister which I wish that her sister give her advice, but the reaction of her sister is really different as she support it alot. Her reaction really confusing. If he story sound dumb to you, this story that really happened that I facing in real life sound hundred times dumb to me. What Im afraid is, if I still confused to take any action just because of facing with a sister who maybe need more naseeha and understanding about Islam.
I come here, need advice, that should I talk to them even once, or should I just leave it that way and be quiet, that should I really stay aways from them. If I keep be quiet, will I be a part of them? If I talked to them, will that worth? If I leave them without telling them, will this a good manner?

Did I say Im better or worse than them? If I feel I better then them, I probably already speak up to talk to them. But until now, I just quiet. What make me quiet? Their appearance with hijab, their Islamic background, which make me think they are hundred times better than me and make me think they know what they do is always right. But when I see this situation, is this right? I know maybe my knowledge is not as higher as them, but should I be quiet? I see seem it is contradiction with their words and behavior. Or as a person who has little knowledge about Islam, should I think that the behavior is permissible?

If we see our Muslims friends do or be a part of munkar stuff, should we be quiet? What about hadith by Rasoul said that, if one see munkar, we should prevent it with hand or power, if unable to do it, then with speech, and then with heart. If you are in my situation what will you do?

p/s: Alhamdulillah I got one good advice from a nice sister today. This the help that I need.

From that sister:
Wearing a niqab does not, in and of itself, ensure piety. I'm sorry to have to say it, but in these times, even when people say they are 'Muslim', that does not guarantee good behavior. You have to look to the person's actions, more than their words. Even though they say they are Muslim, even though they may wear a hijab or niqab daily, even though they may attend the mosque every Friday, and offer their 5 daily prayers with regularity, (at least as far as you know) if they are doing all, or any of the above, for the wrong reasons, then what is it really worth?! Does Allah accept their efforts, if their intentions are not pure?

If they make the 'outward show' which convinces others of their intentions, but then go around committing sinful behaviors, when others aren't looking, how much is their 'apparent piety' really worth?

I think the basic word for people like this, is 'hypocrite'. And if you can't convince them to change their ways, by reminding them of the righteous path, then I think you should get away from such people. At least maintain a little distance, (aka - you could still be polite and considerate to them, when you run into them, without getting all involved in their personal lives and fitnah) so you don't get caught up in their fitnah, or the consequence of it. I'd be very careful, if I were you, because it sounds like this 'sister' and her friend are more than willing to break the law, to get what they want, as well as possibly offending Shariah law, as well, and they may well get into some serious trouble, eventually. You don't want to find yourself in the middle of that. Perhaps you could even end up being convicted as an 'accessory' to something they are doing, even if you didn't participate directly. Or perhaps they might end up setting you up in some relationship that turns out to be very bad...because they feel it brings them some kind of personal gain.

Is there any reason why you can't just tell your friend, you feel what they are doing, is wrong? If you care about your friend, then I think you should at least try, and if she or they refuse to correct their ways, then perhaps it is time to tell them, you can't continue with them, as a friend, as long as they are doing these kinds of things?

[Saadet]

Assalaamu `alaykum wr wb

I have question which the problem is serious. I have a friend, let say her nickname is AA, a married woman,niqabi. Her sister KK is a divorced woman and live in develop country.In the past, KK live jahiliya for many years, she like clubbing,khamar,zina & had white boyfriend who was non-muslim & rich too. She couldn't marry him coz he was non-muslim. Then she changed, start wearing hijab,in hope she could get marry, but not with local man (with brown skin) coz she really like to have white(caucasian) man as husband, and rich too. So she really hope to marry a white revert muslim who is only from rich country and could bring her to live in the country too. Because it is not easy to find white man who would like to marry her in her country, so she planned to travel to UK. KK contact her sister's husband male relative in UK (nickname HH) so that HH could help her to get family sponsor visa & let her to stay there for 6 months. HH agree to help her. UK is her dream country, and she will work illegally with tourist visa for 6 month there & her main intention is to search for white UK man citizen. She said to her sister AA that she wants to find white man who is rich, handsome, and revert muslim, so that can get marry & she can get P.R. AA wished her sister good luck for that. It seem KK want to take off hijab in UK eventhough he sister advice her to keep the hijab.Eventhough KK seem turn to Islam life, but she still keep in touch with her non-muslim rich ex-boyfriend until now. She get flight ticket free to UK from her ex-boyfriend. She didn't tell her ex that she wanna come to UK to search for man for marriage purpose, just telling him that she want to find job there. AA also seem excited to see her sister to go to UK for family or material status. As a friend of KK's sister, AA, I was asking AA, why she as a niqabi which we know as good person, she give support to her sister to come to UK-- alone, sponsored by HH, facing with too much fitna, and the worst is, KK still keep in touch with her non-muslim ex-bf (a man who she did many times zina) and got free flight ticket from him.
If KK really sincere to be a good muslima, she would avoid to keep in touch with her ex, and ho gets flight ticket from her ex-bf(the man who she did zina) use it to go to UK to find white husband, and how that could be Barakah while the ticket is from her zina man and use it to travel to find rich revert muslim white man of UK citizen for marriage. If KK's future husband knew this, that would really hurt him. AA as a niqabi woman keep support KK to go to UK to find rich white, eventho she knows KK with face fitna that KK will take off hijab and go around and tempt or attract any men in 6 months stay using visa, so that she can get marry and can get p.resident. Im so upset with AA, that as good muslima she should has better advice, that stopping her sister from going there but she keep supporting her. AA also told me that she also wish her sister KK get marry with rich man. Does materialistic life blind her heart? KK's family life in her country is good enough, why still choose a way which may shatter her iman? Maybe nothing wrong to travel to UK, but in her situation, really need your opinion and advice. What do you think about this problem and this whole situation in Islamic way? How far is permitted in Islam and the barakah issue too. I told AA how could her sister KK want to find husband in this way, but AA just ignore and she kept encourage her sister to travel t UK alone (her wali can't travel, actually KK want to travel alone due to financial limit because UK is her dream country, and intend to take off her hijab too) and work illegally for awhile, find rich man, and say nothing abt her sister who use the flight ticket that she got from a non-muslim man that she did zina with for many years(im not sure is this her sugar daddy?) and use the ticket to travel to UK to find revert muslim white citizen rich husband. Pls advice. Advice from alim is appreciated.

Paragraphs exist for a reason.

[flower123]

What's the meaning of 'Paragraphs exist for a reason', Saadet?

[flower123]

Just a note:
I always come to Ask-Imam.com to read the fatwa and advices. From there, I see many people describe their problem in detail so that the whole situation and story can be understand, and specific and clear advice can be given. The way they explain their problems is by hiding or delete the real name to protect identity, and the things that written is only how the situation and problems happened. Sometimes, we can see the describtion of the problems to ask help from imam, is about problem which relate with privacy and sensitivity of relationship between husband and wife, and family too, which is more heavy and secret, but they keep going on to ask imam to get guidance and advice.
So what Im doing here, I follow the rule, describing about my problem, and delete or hiding the name, and what I just describe is the whole situation, so that I can get specific and clear advice. If I don't describe it this way, so how could people understand and give me advice? If people interprate this as 'ghibah' or 'fitnah', it is everyone's choice and everyone has right to judge, and I respect every opinion.. but may Allah protect me from thinking that description of private problems (even very private problems relate to themself or family or friends) that people wrote to Ask-Imam.com to ask guidance and advice, as ghibah or fitnah.
At least, I hope I come to right place here to ask for advice. Or maybe I should never post my problem asking advice here, and keep myself confused with no guide of action to do? Be quite is a mistake and wrong, and asking help for advice also mistake and wrong?
Thanks all sisters and brothers for your advice... from me who has small knowledge about Islam and always need to learn.

[MG]

whether it is true or not about this sis, alot of people are doing this and one thing is for sure, people who start things with bad intentions and dont care who they tread on to get to their goals,will never succeed in the long run, yes she might get her visa and stay in the UK but will she be happy? will she have food in her mouth?

Alot of people hav come to the UK/US via treading on others to get here and now these people are total loners, no one around them,living in poxy one room bedsits, living hand to mouth and miserable (well deserved i say) oh but who cares they have their RED passport ...how misguided people are.

Youth and Beauty only get u so far in life - tell her that.

[Saadet]

What's the meaning of 'Paragraphs exist for a reason', Saadet?

I can't make heads or tales out of your damned article because it's like one big run-on sentence!

[afrasayab]

flower123 what's up with the long ass posts of yours. Use some common sense, and tell your friend and her sister that what they are doing is islamically and moraly wrong. Other then that, stay out of it and stay away from it. Simple.

My own quote "common sense is not very common"

Sorry if I am being harsh, but what else answers do you expect from ppl here. Everyone is basically advising you the same thing.