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Salam Brothers and Sisters I would be very grateful if you could Post verses of the Quran/Hadith to Prove that this Practice which Originated from the Mushriks (Pagans) of Touching the feet of their Elderly, albeit 'we have added Salam to it' is Haram...
with references please...
:jkk:
Honey87
28-06-07, 11:14 PM
Salam Brothers and Sisters I would be very grateful if you could Post verses of the Quran/Hadith to Prove that this Practice which Originated from the Mushriks (Pagans) of Touching the feet of their Elderly, albeit 'we have added Salam to it' is Haram...
with references please...
:jkk:
Bengali's tend to do this. its just copying a hindu custom in my opinion.
link below is good.
Is it permitted to touch the feet of elders? (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=245&CATE=87)
ur_yusra
28-06-07, 11:17 PM
Hindus do the whole feet touching thing.. whats so good or respectful about touching someones feet? nothing.. it is not from the sunnah.. you do not lower yourself in front of anyone but Allah (swt).
I'm not sure whether its derived from a religion in particular or whether it is just culture though. I wouldn't do it simply because its not sunnah and hindus do it.
Bengali's tend to do this. its just copying a hindu custom in my opinion.
link below is good.
Is it permitted to touch the feet of elders? (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=245&CATE=87)
I know sis, this thing came from the Mushriks(pagans) ... they (bengali's) make it a Must...
:jkk:
thanks for the link, I'll read it... :up:
Hindus do the whole feet touching thing.. whats so good or respectful about touching someones feet? nothing.. it is not from the sunnah.. you do not lower yourself in front of anyone but Allah (swt).
I'm not sure whether its derived from a religion in particular or whether it is just culture though. I wouldn't do it simply because its not sunnah and hindus do it.
the same thought came to my mind and the one about not copying Mushriks/Kuffar...
:jkk:
I'd like to point out that similar gestures were apparently common in the Middle East as well...
In Christianity we find the famous example of Jesus washing the feet of the Disciples and we find the famous example of the sinful woman who washed the feet of Jesus with her hair.
I don't think any Muslims would define the Jews of Jesus' time as mushirks or kufaar.
Abdul-Curim
29-06-07, 07:04 AM
I'd like to point out that similar gestures were apparently common in the Middle East as well...
In Christianity we find the famous example of Jesus washing the feet of the Disciples and we find the famous example of the sinful woman who washed the feet of Jesus with her hair.
I don't think any Muslims would define the Jews of Jesus' time as mushirks or kufaar.
washing somebody's feet and touching their feet one and the same ?
Medievalist
29-06-07, 08:35 AM
The Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan would kiss the hands and feet of the Nabi :saw:. (Kissing the feet when He :saw: was mounted)
As a matter of course I dont touch anyones feet but we have a thing of lowering our head when an elderly female relative visits so she can pass her hand over your head - sometimes happens that for example my aunty will be seated and I'll bend down so she can touch my head. feels a bit weird.
ibn suleman
29-06-07, 08:40 AM
some scholars have allowed it if it is certian conditions are met..but i think majority opinion is that it is safer not to.
The Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan would kiss the hands and feet of the Nabi :saw:. (Kissing the feet when He :saw: was mounted)
As a matter of course I dont touch anyones feet but we have a thing of lowering our head when an elderly female relative visits so she can pass her hand over your head - sometimes happens that for example my aunty will be seated and I'll bend down so she can touch my head. feels a bit weird.
hmm some aunties hit me as a form of greeting :rubeyes:
Mmmm last i heard its not allowed.
hmm some aunties hit me as a form of greeting :rubeyes:
:rubeyes: mmm...last hope of getting sum aql into you isnt it?:p
I'd like to point out that similar gestures were apparently common in the Middle East as well...
In Christianity we find the famous example of Jesus washing the feet of the Disciples and we find the famous example of the sinful woman who washed the feet of Jesus with her hair.
Right but I'm referring to the Islam, not the Teachings of the Bible, also I do not see any verse of the Bible, where any Diciple, who met him, Bowing down and touching his feet and then saying Peace/Shalom-Alikum...
If you do kindly post it...
I don't think any Muslims would define the Jews of Jesus' time as mushirks or kufaar.
Once again I wonder why you don't read the Quran?
there were Mushriks/Kuffar at the time of Jesus(pbuh) ... among the Jews & Christians,
* those who Blasphemed and alleged Divinity to him ... Christians
* those who called him an Imposter/Blasphemer... Jews
they were not Muslims...
therefore your assumption is false...
hmm some aunties hit me as a form of greeting :rubeyes:
don't worry bro, I think thats allowed... :D
just kiddin...
:jkk:
junaidb
29-06-07, 10:04 AM
:salams
i have found that most of these customs originate from the Indo/Pak/Bang subcontinent.
nothing in it just hindu customs as pointed out earlier...
Wassalaam
:coolbro: :coolbro: :coolbro:
:salams
i have found that most of these customs originate from the Indo/Pak/Bang subcontinent.
nothing in it just hindu customs as pointed out earlier...
Wassalaam
:coolbro: :coolbro: :coolbro:
:jkk: bro... :up:
Abdul-Curim
29-06-07, 11:50 AM
The Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan would kiss the hands and feet of the Nabi :saw:. (Kissing the feet when He :saw: was mounted)
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daleel plz .
Medievalist
29-06-07, 01:49 PM
daleel plz .
sorry bro but I cant give the daleel.
heaven2002
29-06-07, 02:36 PM
the only time ive seen someone kiss feet or touch feet is in silly bollywood movies
Once again I wonder why you don't read the Quran?
there were Mushriks/Kuffar at the time of Jesus(pbuh) ... among the Jews & Christians,
* those who Blasphemed and alleged Divinity to him ... Christians
* those who called him an Imposter/Blasphemer... Jews
they were not Muslims...
therefore your assumption is false...
This was obviously while Jesus was alive and spreading what Muslims would consider to be the uncorrupted injeel.
My brother's inlaws apparently wanted him to touch their feet on his wedding day. I'm SO glad he didn't. Him and his wife put haars (flower garlands) around each other's necks though, which I'm sure is also something derived from Hindu practises. Is exchanging haars allowed? Duh!:smack: These questions aren't even worth asking yaar- the practises are clear cut bida. If someone feels insulted because we want to behave like Muslims instead of Hindus then it's his/her thinking that needs to change not ours!
Cashew if I'm not mistaken, the examples you gave regarding the time of Jesus (as) are taken from the Bible and as the Bible has been tainted and changed over time, we do not use it as a source as it's contents are considered to be uncorroborated. The examples you gave might even be true, or they might not be but nevertheless Muslims do not use it as a source in anything related to Shariah.
This was obviously while Jesus was alive and spreading what Muslims would consider to be the uncorrupted injeel.
and? :rolleyes:
there are Still Blasphemers (Majority of the Christians) and those who allege Christ(pbuh) is an Imposter (Majority of the Jews) so your previous post was Fallacious, to say the least...
My brother's inlaws apparently wanted him to touch their feet on his wedding day. I'm SO glad he didn't. Him and his wife put haars (flower garlands) around each other's necks though, which I'm sure is also something derived from Hindu practises. Is exchanging haars allowed? Duh!:smack: These questions aren't even worth asking yaar- the practises are clear cut bida. If someone feels insulted because we want to behave like Muslims instead of Hindus then it's his/her thinking that needs to change not ours!
:jkk: sis... :up:
kamalysalma
03-07-07, 03:45 AM
sorry bro but I cant give the daleel.
Here you go akhi, there are people that kissed the hands and feet or Rasul SAW:
Safwan ibn ‘Assal said, “A Jew said to his companion, ‘Let us go to this Prophet.’ So they went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and asked him about nine clear signs,” and he mentioned the hadith to its end. “They kissed his hand and feet and said, ‘We testify that you are a Prophet." Tirmidhi
Al-Wazi’ ibn ‘Amir said, “We came and were told, ‘That is the Messenger of Allah.’ We took his hands and feet and kissed them.”
Suhayb said, “I saw ‘Ali kiss the hands and feet of al-’Abbas.
I think this is taken from Imam Bukhari's 'Adab al Mufrad-If anybody can correct me, please do so :)
Here you go akhi, there are people that kissed the hands and feet or Rasul SAW:
Safwan ibn ‘Assal said, “A Jew said to his companion, ‘Let us go to this Prophet.’ So they went to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and asked him about nine clear signs,” and he mentioned the hadith to its end. “They kissed his hand and feet and said, ‘We testify that you are a Prophet." Tirmidhi
Al-Wazi’ ibn ‘Amir said, “We came and were told, ‘That is the Messenger of Allah.’ We took his hands and feet and kissed them.”
Suhayb said, “I saw ‘Ali kiss the hands and feet of al-’Abbas.
I think this is taken from Imam Bukhari's 'Adab al Mufrad-If anybody can correct me, please do so :)
Huh. Imagine that!
A fat old and ugly kufr says that this sort of thing was seemingly a common Middle Eastern custom, and uses some examples from the Bible as evidence, and, lo and behold!, there would appear to be at least some Islamic evidence suggesting that the fat old and ugly kufr may have had a point!
kamalysalma
03-07-07, 04:47 AM
Huh. Imagine that!
A fat old and ugly kufr says that this sort of thing was seemingly a common Middle Eastern custom, and uses some examples from the Bible as evidence, and, lo and behold!, there would appear to be at least some Islamic evidence suggesting that the fat old and ugly kufr may have had a point!
Hmmm...so who is this Fat, Old and Ugly kaafir that you're referring to? Actually don't answer, leave it as a rhetoric...
Hmmm...so who is this Fat, Old and Ugly kaafir that you're referring to? Actually don't answer, leave it as a rhetoric...
Oh, good grief, it's me!
Songbird
03-07-07, 05:06 AM
Huh. Imagine that!
A fat old and ugly kufr says that this sort of thing was seemingly a common Middle Eastern custom, and uses some examples from the Bible as evidence, and, lo and behold!, there would appear to be at least some Islamic evidence suggesting that the fat old and ugly kufr may have had a point!
Geez, do you ever quit whining?
Least you're improving in other ways though: only one emboldened word this time, woo hoo! :hidban:
Sorry Cashew, don't get all narky again :D
kamalysalma
03-07-07, 05:08 AM
Oh, good grief, it's me!
I gathered that and I didn't want to embarass you which is why I told you not answer-not a nice way to describe yourself I say
Not trying to be rude or anything, but why would someone want to kiss feet? Feet are dirty, smelly, and the lowest part of the human body. Why not kiss hand or something?
Besides, aren't feet somewhat of an insult in Muslim world?
Brett_M
03-07-07, 07:08 AM
I personally want my feet touched and kissed, but the people here say that isn't allowed. I started a thread asking about that, and after negative responses it was deleted.
I personally want my feet touched and kissed, but the people here say that isn't allowed. I started a thread asking about that, and after negative responses it was deleted.
What's the obessive reason for your fetish want...?:scratch:
I gathered that and I didn't want to embarass you which is why I told you not answer-not a nice way to describe yourself I say
At least I didn't say I smelled of pee.
You must learn to be grateful for the small things, my dear.
Not trying to be rude or anything, but why would someone want to kiss feet? Feet are dirty, smelly, and the lowest part of the human body. Why not kiss hand or something?
Besides, aren't feet somewhat of an insult in Muslim world?
Why show respect for a person's feet?
That's actually a very interesting question.
(Muslims, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've heard that Islam has any big prohibitions about feet, per se. They're washed/cleansed as a normal part of wudu, so touching your feet doesn't automatically make you ritually impure.)
I know that in Christianity, the incident of Jesus washing the feet of his Disciples carries significant symbolic weight -- it's been depicted in religious art, for example. It's considered a supreme example of humility.
Medievalist
03-07-07, 09:41 AM
Oh, good grief, it's me!
:rotfl: You dont half crack me up sometimes cashew. :up:
Cashew: kissing the hand/feet/forehead/shoulder are signs of respect and subservience.
I cant claim to have kissed any1s feet - perhaps my pride gets in the way - but I've kissed my Seniors hands and shoulders.
Why show respect for a person's feet?.
Well, I'm just wondering why anyone would want to kiss a foot? They're dirty, smell cheesy (at least mine do. Wait, was I supposed to say that out loud?), and just not the kind of thing you want to kiss.
You know what I'm trying to say?
Well, I'm just wondering why anyone would want to kiss a foot? They're dirty, smell cheesy (at least mine do. Wait, was I supposed to say that out loud?), and just not the kind of thing you want to kiss.
You know what I'm trying to say?
Think of it this way: when you are, God willing, a father, you will understand that babies are quite often dirty and smelly. They are quite often literally covered in poo, pee, mucous, and/or vomit.
But because you love the strange little creature, its nastiness will not seem all that nasty to you. And cleaning up the strange little creature will be an expression of your love.
(There is an even more challenging, or "toddler," phase when the child still wears diapers and is at the same time mobile enough to scamper about in dirt, dust, and other filth. This is also the phase when the child enjoys rubbing food, chewing gum, what-have-you, in its hair. This phase often proves difficult for even the most loving and devoted parent.)
So, you are right, feet are often dirty and unpleasant-smelling.
This is why washing them for someone, or touching them, is considered a demonstration of love and/or respect.
Think of it this way: when you are, God willing, a father, you will understand that babies are quite often dirty and smelly. They are quite often literally covered in poo, pee, mucous, and/or vomit.
No they are Not! I can't speak for the Non-Muslims, but We don't kiss Vomit/Poo/Mucus etc... :vomit:
But because you love the strange little creature, its nastiness will not seem all that nasty to you. And cleaning up the strange little creature will be an expression of your love.
(There is an even more challenging, or "toddler," phase when the child still wears diapers and is at the same time mobile enough to scamper about in dirt, dust, and other filth. This is also the phase when the child enjoys rubbing food, chewing gum, what-have-you, in its hair. This phase often proves difficult for even the most loving and devoted parent.)
So, you are right, feet are often dirty and unpleasant-smelling.
We don't kiss the 'Dirty' parts!!! ... :rolleyes: :vomit:
Nauzubillah!
This is why washing them for someone, or touching them, is considered a demonstration of love and/or respect.
Even after Washing em 'parts' we don't kiss em... :smack:
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.: Rashid :.
03-07-07, 11:12 PM
This is a very common bengali custom...we actually already had this discussion in the bengali thread, but in bengali :p I guess thats not much use to you pakis :p (or Cashew :p)
-Rashid
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Sometimes I think you've completely lost your mind.
Nowhere did I say Muslims or non-Muslims "kissed" poo, pee, mucous, or vomit.
But I did say that babies are very often covered in (usually a combo of) those substances. (Toddlers are extra-special because they like to massage other substances, such as food, into their hair or onto their person.)
Sometimes I think you've completely lost your mind.
Nowhere did I say Muslims or non-Muslims "kissed" poo, pee, mucous, or vomit.
But I did say that babies are very often covered in (usually a combo of) those substances. (Toddlers are extra-special because they like to massage other substances, such as food, into their hair or onto their person.)
Quite the contrary, my mind is in good working order, I see even more clearly now, what is Wrong, what is Doubtful (may be wrong) and what is established as Good ...
something which I don't expect you to care about...
parts of their (kids) Bodies are, when they excrete etc, they are not covered in Mucus/Dung as you described them earlier etc...
from Dung, now you've jumped to food which kids splatter on their clothes etc?
that ain't filth...
Brother Rashid, I know bro, I'm Bengali, this custom of touching the feet and saying salam came to them from the Mushrikeen/Pagans, so I won't be doin that ...
:jkk:
(Toddlers are extra-special because they like to massage other substances, such as food, into their hair or onto their person.)
I'm very uneasy with this custom as I feel and others have mentioned that this is mainly to do with the fact that it's borrowed from Hindu culture. Having said that, one exception to the rule I'd make is that I'd be happy to kiss my niece's hands and feet and rosey cheeks cos' she's such a fat lump of gorgeousness :inlove:(check my avatar for proof).
a fat lump of gorgeousness
:rotfl:
Very cute phrase!
(And true, too.)
Redmist
05-07-07, 10:49 PM
I think the practice of touching the feet carries over from hindu tradition where the wife touches the feet of the husband or a young person touches the feet of an elder.
I could be wrong!
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