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Sulaiman Harun
25-06-07, 08:49 AM
Rings
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:salams
:alhumdull
Is is the Sunnah of the prophet (SAWS) to give a ring to the wife in weddings? And is engagement also from the sunnah of the prophet (SAWS)
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no neither is from the sunnah, giving a ring is from the pagan wedding ritual ceremonies and the religious wedding ceremonies of the christians, and we are not permitted to follow them in such matters. There is no engagement u are either married or you are not. There is however agreement upon marriage in Islam as seen in the sahih hadith where the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said what means, that no brother should propose to a woman, until the first suitor has withdrawn his proposal or the woman has declined his proposal.
so once a man comes to a woman to ask for her hand it is not permissible for another brother to ask her in marriage, until they decide to marry, or one of them decides against marrying the other. So that is what maybe referred to as "engagment" but this term has another meaning to many today and they take it to mean as the christians mean it, but in Islam just because a man and a woman have agreed to marry, even with the "permission" of the walli, it is not permissible for them to be alone or to speak alone, because they are not husband and wife, and the same rules apply as they would to anyone else who is not a mahram. And the walli does not have the right to Allow what Allah ta ala and his messenger have clearly stated is haram.
promising to marry with someone, and being actually married are two different things.
no neither is from the sunnah, giving a ring is from the pagan wedding ritual ceremonies and the religious wedding ceremonies of the christians, and we are not permitted to follow them in such matters. There is no engagement u are either married or you are not. There is however agreement upon marriage in Islam as seen in the sahih hadith where the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said what means, that no brother should propose to a woman, until the first suitor has withdrawn his proposal or the woman has declined his proposal.
so once a man comes to a woman to ask for her hand it is not permissible for another brother to ask her in marriage, until they decide to marry, or one of them decides against marrying the other. So that is what maybe referred to as "engagment" but this term has another meaning to many today and they take it to mean as the christians mean it, but in Islam just because a man and a woman have agreed to marry, even with the "permission" of the walli, it is not permissible for them to be alone or to speak alone, because they are not husband and wife, and the same rules apply as they would to anyone else who is not a mahram. And the walli does not have the right to Allow what Allah ta ala and his messenger have clearly stated is haram.
promising to marry with someone, and being actually married are two different things.
:jkk: sis, :o
so the ring givin thing is from the Pagan rituals/Christians? :scratch:
what if it's not my decision to give em, but am sort of forced into it, am i to blame? :scratch:
:jkk:
ur_yusra
25-06-07, 11:58 AM
Neither is from the sunnah.. although giving a ring as a present presents no visible, audible or imaginary problem whatsoever.
:jkk: sis, :o
so the ring givin thing is from the Pagan rituals/Christians? :scratch:
what if it's not my decision to give em, but am sort of forced into it, am i to blame? :scratch:
:jkk:
wa :jkk: hmmm u mean forced into it ...as in someone is holding a gun to ur head and making u buy one...:scratch:
..Allahualam.
wa :jkk: hmmm u mean forced into it ...as in someone is holding a gun to ur head and making u buy one...:scratch:
..Allahualam.
No sis, I mean givin it as a present to the Bridegroom, parents sort of forcin me too (no they are not holding a gun to me head...)
am I to blame, even though I am against it, cause of it's pagan/Christian associations...
:jkk:
Neither is from the sunnah.. although giving a ring as a present presents no visible, audible or imaginary problem whatsoever.
thats what I'm thinkin, I mean givin it as a present, not in a ceremony, is that permissible? :scratch:
:jkk:
sunny_skies
25-06-07, 12:10 PM
Neither is Islamic, but in my experience wearing a wedding ring is helpful if you are married. This way you don't get pestered/looked at so much by brothers on the lookout for a wife! I have also been recommended this when travelling to Muslim countries :)
For some reason, even though it isnt an Islamic tradition, Muslim men do look towards a woman's hand to see if she's wearing a ring!
Neither is Islamic, but in my experience wearing a wedding ring is helpful if you are married. This way you don't get pestered/looked at so much by brothers on the lookout for a wife! I have also been recommended this when travelling to Muslim countries :)
For some reason, even though it isnt an Islamic tradition, Muslim men do look towards a woman's hand to see if she's wearing a ring!
:smack:
:jkk:
ur_yusra
25-06-07, 12:16 PM
thats what I'm thinkin, I mean givin it as a present, not in a ceremony, is that permissible? :scratch:
:jkk:
There is nothing haraam about giving a ring to your spouse as a present.
There is nothing haraam about giving a ring to your spouse as a present.
But what about the Pagan associations and the Christians?
Havent we turned it into a ritual, that we do this especially for the Weddins? :scratch:
:jkk:
But what about the Pagan associations and the Christians?
Havent we turned it into a ritual, that we do this especially for the Weddins? :scratch:
:jkk:
actions are judged by intention islam, if your intention is just as a mere gift , its ok.
actions are judged by intention islam, if your intention is just as a mere gift , its ok.
I understand that sis...
But what about the Hadith which says we shouldn't be copyin the Kuffar?
:scratch:
I mean My intention is Not to Copy the Kuffar, but am I allowed to knowingly do stuff they Invented ? :scratch:
I don't want to do anythin that associates me with Pagan Rituals, I detest the filth of Paganism, and the Shirk which the Christians practice...
:jkk:
I understand that sis...
But what about the Hadith which says we shouldn't be copyin the Kuffar?
:scratch:
I mean My intention is Not to Copy the Kuffar, but am I allowed to knowingly do stuff they Invented ? :scratch:
I don't want to do anythin that associates me with Pagan Rituals, I detest the filth of Paganism, and the Shirk which the Christians practice...
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the kuffar have a differnt and wrong intention when they do it, i.e they dont believ a marriage would exist if rings wernt exchanged but u would jus be giving as a gift.
we all do the same things but with differnt intentions...
the kuffar have a differnt and wrong intention when they do it, i.e they dont believ a marriage would exist if rings wernt exchanged but u would jus be giving as a gift.
we all do the same things but with differnt intentions...
:jkk: sis...
hmmm...but then if its not to immitate the kuffar by having a ring given upon the wedding, and why does it have to be a ring ( or maybe two, to denote "marriage and "engagement" or maybe go for all three and have an "eternity" ring as well)
why not any other piece of jewellery, why would a woman be so set on a ring if there was any doubt in it, and this being something well known amongst the kuffar, and surely then it shouldnt be worn on the "wedding finger" if it is only a gift that just happens to be given upon a marriage ...
if its going to be worn on the "wedding finger" which is a well known custom of the kuffar then i see a problem, because even if it is fine for him to buy her a ring, then no surely there is no need to wear it on that particular finger and clearly immitate the kuffar..
hmmm...but then if its not to immitate the kuffar by having a ring given upon the wedding, and why does it have to be a ring ( or maybe two, to denote "marriage and "engagement" or maybe go for all three and have an "eternity" ring as well)
why not any other piece of jewellery, why would a woman be so set on a ring if there was any doubt in it, and this being something well known amongst the kuffar, and surely then it shouldnt be worn on the "wedding finger" if it is only a gift that just happens to be given upon a marriage ...
if its going to be worn on the "wedding finger" which is a well known custom of the kuffar then i see a problem, because even if it is fine for him to buy her a ring, then no surely there is no need to wear it on that particular finger and clearly immitate the kuffar..
You got some very good points sis, I still have doubt about this matter... :(
but it's not the Woman who's set on the Rings, nor am I, I believe it's the parents... :(
:jkk:
Tax-Man
25-06-07, 03:27 PM
My future wifey is lucky if she gets a space raider across her finger
Bint Yusuf
25-06-07, 05:06 PM
My future wifey is lucky if she gets a space raider across her finger
:salams:
:rubeyes: poor wife
My future wifey is lucky if she gets a space raider across her finger
Yeah and you'll be lucky if she doesn't bonk ya... :D
just jiddin bro...:o
:jkk:
Yeah and you'll be lucky if she doesn't bonk ya... :D
just jiddin bro...:o
:jkk:
lol
i think he's takin the philosophy - 'treat em mean, keep em keen' a bit 2 seriously lol
just get a whole bunch of rings so she can wear them on a whole bunch of fingers and not just one lonely ring on one finger if its making u so worried its imitating the kuffar :p
lol
i think he's takin the philosophy - 'treat em mean, keep em keen' a bit 2 seriously lol
thats brother Meds tagline isn't it? :D
looks like he got a few tips of him... :D
:jkk:
just get a whole bunch of rings so she can wear them on a whole bunch of fingers and not just one lonely ring on one finger if its making u so worried its imitating the kuffar :p
lol! :D
:jkk:
just get a whole bunch of rings so she can wear them on a whole bunch of fingers and not just one lonely ring on one finger if its making u so worried its imitating the kuffar :p
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Mmmm im not really sure waz going on here cuz i culdnt b naff 2 read the thread 4rm the beg.
but, mmmmm....i think....naa i know..... i want a gr8 big DIAMOND 1!!!!
none of that gold 4 me, *shudders*
Mmmm im not really sure waz going on here cuz i culdnt b naff 2 read the thread 4rm the beg.
but, mmmmm....i think....naa i know..... i want a gr8 big DIAMOND 1!!!!
none of that gold 4 me, *shudders*
:smack: that'll probably cost more than any weddin (even the extravagant ones...) :outta:
trust a sis, to rip the bro's off... :outta:
ps. it was basically regarding whether this ring swapping business(engagement) is Islamic, and so far all evidence point to it's Origin from the Kuffar/Mushrikeen/Christians...
:jkk:
Mmmm im not really sure waz going on here cuz i culdnt b naff 2 read the thread 4rm the beg.
but, mmmmm....i think....naa i know..... i want a gr8 big DIAMOND 1!!!!
none of that gold 4 me, *shudders*
Eugh! m not keen on gold either...but i think id be doomed on the Big Day coz they tend to shower ya in gold then...almost as if ya aint complete if your not covered in it from top to bottom! :rolleyes:
:smack: that'll probably cost more than any weddin (even the extravagant ones...) :outta:
trust a sis, to rip the bro's off... :outta:
ps. it was basically regarding whether this ring swapping business(engagement) is Islamic, and so far all evidence point to it's Origin from the Kuffar/Mushrikeen/Christians...
:jkk:
:smack: thas y i aint hitched yet init!!!!
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Eugh! m not keen on gold either...but i think id be doomed on the Big Day coz they tend to shower ya in gold then...almost as if ya aint complete if your not covered in it from top to bottom! :rolleyes:
yh totally know what u mean!
gold, no way!
silver or platenium, bring it on!!!
:smack: thas y i aint hitched yet init!!!!
:torture: so thats the Dubious tactic you use to scare em away... :smack: :outta:
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yh totally know what u mean!
gold, no way!
silver or platenium, bring it on!!!
er... correct me if I'm not mistaken, but Platinum is More Expensive than Gold!!! :eek: :outta:
er... correct me if I'm not mistaken, but Platinum is More Expensive than Gold!!! :eek: :outta:
Nope ur not wrong, platenium is more exp. than gold, but i cant emphasis ho much i really dont like gold.
Sooo 4 me it would have 2 be Platinum or Silver!
Iv herad u can get white gold as well, not 2 sure about that but so long as it dont look like gold thas kool!
Believer1984
25-06-07, 06:22 PM
How about them days when we used to pay 20p in a machine and we get a plastic ring.
:rolleyes:
Everything costs so much when you grow up.
Nope ur not wrong, platenium is more exp. than gold, but i cant emphasis ho much i really dont like gold.
Sooo 4 me it would have 2 be Platinum or Silver!
Iv herad u can get white gold as well, not 2 sure about that but so long as it dont look like gold thas kool!
sis white gold is really pretty!..onislty its so sparkly...just a slight tint of gold but u can barely tell..the ones packed with pretty stones are the best..:inlove:
How about them days when we used to pay 20p in a machine and we get a plastic ring.
:rolleyes:
Everything costs so much when you grow up.
:D :rotfl: lol! try that on a sis, and she'll be bonkin ya for ever... :torture: :torture: :torture: :buttkick:
Muahahahahaah! :rotfl: :outta:
:jkk:
oh yeah, how come the sis's don't like Gold anymore ? :scratch:
How about them days when we used to pay 20p in a machine and we get a plastic ring.
:rolleyes:
Everything costs so much when you grow up.
:smack:
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sis white gold is really pretty!..onislty its so sparkly...just a slight tint of gold but u can barely tell..the ones packed with pretty stones are the best..:inlove:
remind me 2 try it when i get hitched! U mk it sound really pretty, infact im gonna check sum out online right now!!!:p
oh yeah, how come the sis's don't like Gold anymore ? :scratch:
:rubeyes: any more? i never liked it in the 1st place!!
Believer1984
25-06-07, 06:29 PM
:D :rotfl: lol! try that on a sis, and she'll be bonkin ya for ever... :torture: :torture: :torture: :buttkick:
Muahahahahaah! :rotfl: :outta:
:jkk:
oh yeah, how come the sis's don't like Gold anymore ? :scratch:
Lol Imagine that.
Sticking on a plastic ring on your wifes finger on her big day.
The look on her face = Priceless.
:)
:rubeyes: any more? i never liked it in the 1st place!!
why is that? :scratch: thought you sis's loved Gold ...
:jkk:
Lol Imagine that.
Sticking on a plastic ring on your wifes finger on her big day.
The look on her face = Priceless.
:)
Yeah and you'll remember the Slap even more... :D :rotfl: :outta:
:jkk:
ladies please stop being so picky.
its important to have all colours of gold in your wardrobe so you can mix and match. Yes, even Pink Gold. :)
:smack:
remind me 2 try it when i get hitched! U mk it sound really pretty, infact im gonna check sum out online right now!!!:p
Will do if im around and if its in near future?..:D ...
Believer1984
25-06-07, 06:35 PM
Yeah and you'll remember the Slap even more... :D :rotfl: :outta:
:jkk:
well if she slaps me.........
Im Gna Tko her! LOL Infront of all the guests.
:up:
well if she slaps me.........
Im Gna Tko her! LOL Infront of all the guests.
:up:
Your gonna what exactly?!!!! :eek3:
astaghfirallah.... :rubeyes: tsk tsk tsk
please stay on topic children. :torture:
Ooooooo...now thats what we call a tru jewel!
Believer1984
25-06-07, 06:47 PM
Your gonna what exactly?!!!! :eek3:
:buttkick:
TOTAL KNOCK OUT! LOL.
Ooooooo...now thats what we call a tru jewel!
is that a Platinum (the ring) ? :scratch:
:jkk:
:buttkick:
TOTAL KNOCK OUT! LOL.
:smack: Not if your knocked out first... :D lol!
ps. Sorry for goin off topic...
:jkk:
Believer1984
25-06-07, 06:48 PM
Ooooooo...now thats what we call a tru jewel!
Powah ! lol how much they cost?
I rather buy a nice car then buy my mrs that. serious !
:)
Ooooooo...now thats what we call a tru jewel!
naaah its too simple.
why is that? :scratch: thought you sis's loved Gold ...
:jkk:
ho moiu? naa ur mistaken, iv never liked gold.
Will do if im around and if its in near future?..:D ...
*shrugz* no idea!
Powah ! lol how much they cost?
I rather buy a nice car then buy my mrs that. serious !
:)
:rubeyes: mmm then i suppose its a good thing u aint hitched yet, wait till u get a bit more aqal!!!! just messin'
naaah its too simple.
rele?..was jst a selection out of the other hundreds i have my eye on!..:D
rele?..was jst a selection out of the other hundreds i have my eye on!..:D
well if u like it thats fine but i am more of a extravagant girl :inlove:
Believer1984
25-06-07, 07:02 PM
ho moiu? naa ur mistaken, iv never liked gold.
*shrugz* no idea!
:rubeyes: mmm then i suppose its a good thing u aint hitched yet, wait till u get a bit more aqal!!!! just messin'
:rolleyes: What-everrrrrrrr rrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
:rolleyes: What-everrrrrrrr rrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
:smack: ai hai mein kuddar ja!
Honey87
25-06-07, 07:15 PM
:smack: that'll probably cost more than any weddin (even the extravagant ones...) :outta:
trust a sis, to rip the bro's off... :outta:
ps. it was basically regarding whether this ring swapping business(engagement) is Islamic, and so far all evidence point to it's Origin from the Kuffar/Mushrikeen/Christians...
:jkk:
Like MG said, it's really about the intention behind it.
$HugoBoss$
25-06-07, 07:20 PM
I want a diamond ring, is that permissable for men????
I want a diamond ring, is that permissable for men????
sure why not, as long as the ring isnt gold.
heaven2002
25-06-07, 07:34 PM
its a shame muslims have to take on all these silly rituals from nonmuslims:rolleyes:
$HugoBoss$
25-06-07, 07:38 PM
its a shame muslims have to take on all these silly rituals from nonmuslims:rolleyes:
It's all for fun cmon cheer up, don't you like to see the family all happy and having a good time????
heaven2002
25-06-07, 07:46 PM
dont you think there'l be more blessing in ur marriage if you do things simply and islamically without following nonmuslim rituals ?
and somebody said above that if uv got money then spend it, but in islam extravagant spending is not allowed
i think id go without diamonds in this world if i can get diamonds in the hereafter inshallah
$HugoBoss$
25-06-07, 07:54 PM
dont you think there'l be more blessing in ur marriage if you do things simply and islamically without following nonmuslim rituals ?
and somebody said above that if uv got money then spend it, but in islam extravagant spending is not allowed
i think id go without diamonds in this world if i can get diamonds in the hereafter inshallah
Explain to me how this would be extravagant spending??? Who's saying these rituals are very expensive????
a couple of rings here and there isnt extravagant :up:
u can spend money have a good time and get lots of blessings and the uncles will make more du'a for u if u feed them good foood :D
$HugoBoss$
25-06-07, 08:21 PM
a couple of rings here and there isnt extravagant :up:
u can spend money have a good time and get lots of blessings and the uncles will make more du'a for u if u feed them good foood :D
Yeah thats what i'm saying, people need to stop being so extreme sheesh.
heaven2002
25-06-07, 08:36 PM
Explain to me how this would be extravagant spending??? Who's saying these rituals are very expensive????
well i know someone who spent a few grand on rings and more than ten on everything else (hall, food, clothes)
i call that extravagant
and why do muslims adopt these rituals which arnt a part of islam?
$HugoBoss$
25-06-07, 08:38 PM
well i know someone who spent a few grand on rings and more than ten on everything else (hall, food, clothes)
i call that extravagant
and why do muslims adopt these rituals which arnt a part of islam?
So what if he did, doesn't mean everybody else is going to spend that much right??? How can you assume that??? It's cultural not islamic you know that......
well i know someone who spent a few grand on rings and more than ten on everything else (hall, food, clothes)
i call that extravagant
and why do muslims adopt these rituals which arnt a part of islam?
see some of those things cost a lot no matter wat. wedding clothes arent cheap. becuz they are expensive are u gonna wear regular clothes u wear on a regular basis?
feeding people isnt cheap u need to serve meat which isnt cheap doesnt matter the number of people you're serving but u cant serve meat alone with that u need at least rice and salad and if u feel luxerious then one dessert. this isnt extravagance. this is the bare necessities of a wedding. maybe a hall isnt but u can get inexpensive halls with decent tables and chairs. in this day and age everything is expensive. the days arent the same wen u could use 5 dollars and do all ur grocery shopping cuz everything costed 5 cents.
heaven2002
25-06-07, 08:53 PM
So what if he did, doesn't mean everybody else is going to spend that much right??? How can you assume that??? It's cultural not islamic you know that......
i think spending a few thousand pounds on two rings is extravagant
see some of those things cost a lot no matter wat. wedding clothes arent cheap. becuz they are expensive are u gonna wear regular clothes u wear on a regular basis?
feeding people isnt cheap u need to serve meat which isnt cheap doesnt matter the number of people you're serving but u cant serve meat alone with that u need at least rice and salad and if u feel luxerious then one dessert. this isnt extravagance. this is the bare necessities of a wedding. maybe a hall isnt but u can get inexpensive halls with decent tables and chairs. in this day and age everything is expensive. the days arent the same wen u could use 5 dollars and do all ur grocery shopping cuz everything costed 5 cents.
you can buy a nice wedding dress for a few hundred pounds
And squander not (your wealth) in wantonness. Lo! The squanderers were ever brothers of the devils. [Al-Isra: 26-27]
“O ye who believe! Make not unlawful the good things, which Allah hath made lawful for you, but commit no excess: for Allah loveth not those given to excess.” (Al-Maa’idah: 87)
Honey87
25-06-07, 08:57 PM
Sometimes, a person may have the means of having more than just a really plain simple wedding. there is nothing wrong with wanting a pretty dress, flowers and what not, as long as you stick to the boundaries of Islam.
"Let him who has abundance spend of his abundance, and he whose provision is measured, let him spend of that which Allah has given him." [Qur'an, 65.7]
This link elaborates more on this topic.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...D=4109&CATE=10 (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=12&ID=4109&CATE=10)
Sulaiman Harun
25-06-07, 10:53 PM
Neither is Islamic, but in my experience wearing a wedding ring is helpful if you are married. This way you don't get pestered/looked at so much by brothers on the lookout for a wife! I have also been recommended this when travelling to Muslim countries :)
For some reason, even though it isnt an Islamic tradition, Muslim men do look towards a woman's hand to see if she's wearing a ring!
I used to wear a ring in my ring finger and everyone thought I was married even my school teachers. They would stop me and ask: "Hey Moneeb are you married?" I would say: "No sir." In a embarassing way!
I used to wear a ring in my ring finger and everyone thought I was married even my school teachers. They would stop me and ask: "Hey Moneeb are you married?" I would say: "No sir." In a embarassing way!
MUahahahaha! :D
bro, you sure you ain't married?!!! :D :D :D
:outta:
sunny_skies
27-06-07, 12:04 PM
:smack: thas y i aint hitched yet init!!!!
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yh totally know what u mean!
gold, no way!
silver or platenium, bring it on!!!
lol, then don't marry an Asian!! Then the thought of showering you in gold won't cross his mind :D
imported_wicked
28-06-07, 01:08 AM
how about using cars , computers, cell phones, fans, living in flats, houses etc don't kaffirs do this too, so do muslims, if something is haraam and forbidden in islam than we can't do it, ex. kaffurs have haram bachelor parties before marriage with stripers which is haraam so we can't do that. kaffirs pray differently and we pray diffirently so if we pray like them its haram.
imported_wicked
28-06-07, 01:10 AM
did prophet saw ever say the least expensive wedding is the most blessed one ?
mat_al_haiyuwan
28-06-07, 01:14 AM
Who said a ring on wedding is a non-muslim ritual in the first place? Infact, the man is obligated to make dowery, which can be in any form of wealth.
Sulaiman Harun
28-06-07, 08:15 AM
A ring on wedding and DOWRY are different issues brother!
er... correct me if I'm not mistaken, but Platinum is More Expensive than Gold!!! :eek: :outta:
The only ring that I wear is a platinum band and I wear it on my ring finger to let women know that I am married. It's a symbol and nothing more.
Supernova Nebula
28-06-07, 11:57 AM
The only ring that I wear is a platinum band and I wear it on my ring finger to let women know that I am married. It's a symbol and nothing more.
i agree with you akhi, as a symbol and indication:D
mat_al_haiyuwan
28-06-07, 01:16 PM
A ring on wedding and DOWRY are different issues brother!
A ring is dowery, a dowry does not have to be money.
The only ring that I wear is a platinum band and I wear it on my ring finger to let women know that I am married. It's a symbol and nothing more.
yea but heres the thing its a christian/ pagan symbol, and u dont need me to tell u bro that these days a "wedding ring" doesnt make any difference to people, and in islam it makes no difference at all, just because a man is married once, doesnt mean he cant marry again
so what then ..maybe a ring for each wife .. but then men are gonna end up like the "giraffe women" of africa but instead of gold hoops on the neck, its up to 4 rings on the christian wedding finger to denote each marriage
... but then we could end up with muslim men walking round with deformed extra long shaped wedding ring fingers if they have to remove a ring if they divorce any of their wifes... :smack:
seriously though muslims shouldnt be wearing wedding rings not for any reason they are nothing to do with an Islamic marriage it is clearly a christian and pagan tradition to wear such a ring on that particular finger and is well known by the christians as " the ring/wedding finger " we cannot dispute that this is from other peoples religious and ceremonial traditions.
The only ring that I wear is a platinum band and I wear it on my ring finger to let women know that I am married. It's a symbol and nothing more.
How much was that bro? :scratch:
:jkk:
yea but heres the thing its a christian/ pagan symbol, and u dont need me to tell u bro that these days a "wedding ring" doesnt make any difference to people, and in islam it makes no difference at all, just because a man is married once, doesnt mean he cant marry again
so what then ..maybe a ring for each wife .. but then men are gonna end up like the "giraffe women" of africa but instead of gold hoops on the neck, its up to 4 rings on the christian wedding finger to denote each marriage
... but then we could end up with muslim men walking round with deformed extra long shaped wedding ring fingers if they have to remove a ring if they divorce any of their wifes... :smack:
seriously though muslims shouldnt be wearing wedding rings not for any reason they are nothing to do with an Islamic marriage it is clearly a christian and pagan tradition to wear such a ring on that particular finger and is well known by the christians as " the ring/wedding finger " we cannot dispute that this is from other peoples religious and ceremonial traditions.
:jkk: sis... :o
mat_al_haiyuwan
28-06-07, 08:05 PM
yea but heres the thing its a christian/ pagan symbol, and u dont need me to tell u bro that these days a "wedding ring" doesnt make any difference to people, and in islam it makes no difference at all, just because a man is married once, doesnt mean he cant marry again
so what then ..maybe a ring for each wife .. but then men are gonna end up like the "giraffe women" of africa but instead of gold hoops on the neck, its up to 4 rings on the christian wedding finger to denote each marriage
... but then we could end up with muslim men walking round with deformed extra long shaped wedding ring fingers if they have to remove a ring if they divorce any of their wifes... :smack:
seriously though muslims shouldnt be wearing wedding rings not for any reason they are nothing to do with an Islamic marriage it is clearly a christian and pagan tradition to wear such a ring on that particular finger and is well known by the christians as " the ring/wedding finger " we cannot dispute that this is from other peoples religious and ceremonial traditions.
Rasululah wore a silver ring. It was not for a marrige, infact it wasn't for any ocasion.
Now, are you going to tell me a sunnah becomes invalid if it is done for a special ocasion?...i do hope not.
Rasululah wore a silver ring. It was not for a marrige, infact it wasn't for any ocasion.
Now, are you going to tell me a sunnah becomes invalid if it is done for a special ocasion?...i do hope not.
DO you read what you post?
the Kuffar Wear the Rings to signify their Marriage, why should we copy them?
this was the issue sister Asiya raised...
How much was that bro? :scratch:
:jkk:
It was around $400 but that was a long time ago. Never was one for wearing gold. I prefer silver but that's too soft to last a lifetime
yea but heres the thing its a christian/ pagan symbol, and u dont need me to tell u bro that these days a "wedding ring" doesnt make any difference to people, and in islam it makes no difference at all, just because a man is married once, doesnt mean he cant marry again
true enough for some people but it does deter some non muslim women who are looking for a relationship. As for in Islam...I wouldn't expect a sister to be hitting on me. I live and work in an area that is practically devoid of any muslims. "Sorry but I am married" is a lot more diplomatic then "Get away from me you whore"
so what then ..maybe a ring for each wife .. but then men are gonna end up like the "giraffe women" of africa but instead of gold hoops on the neck, its up to 4 rings on the christian wedding finger to denote each marriage
... but then we could end up with muslim men walking round with deformed extra long shaped wedding ring fingers if they have to remove a ring if they divorce any of their wifes... :smack:
yeah but then you could spot the good guys in the crowd :p
sorry but that mental image made me chuckle but point taken.
It was around $400 but that was a long time ago. Never was one for wearing gold. I prefer silver but that's too soft to last a lifetime
:jkk: bro, I thought maybe it would cost thousands of dollars... (probably does now...)
junaidb
29-06-07, 11:18 AM
the kuffar have a differnt and wrong intention when they do it, i.e they dont believ a marriage would exist if rings wernt exchanged but u would jus be giving as a gift.
we all do the same things but with differnt intentions...
slmz sis....even though the intention is different, we must, as the Prophet SAW
has tawt us to be different from the kuffaars actions.
in the spirit of Islam in this day and age it would be better to give the gift some time after the wedding......thus imitating the kuffaar
im married over 10 years and i never gave a ring to wife when we married.
only bought one some years after as a gift with some other jewels.
VAKB
Wassalaam
:coolbro: :coolbro: :coolbro:
I read a couple books from fisabillah organisation, with regards to marriage and wedding customs.
When I asked a christian catholic co-worker in my office, about the finger, she said that that finger links directly to the heart in some way. She didn't mention a thing about the 'father, son and holy spirit, amen'.
.: Anna :.
30-06-07, 04:37 PM
:jkk: bro, I thought maybe it would cost thousands of dollars... (probably does now...)
if its a plain platinum band with no stones in it, it wont cost u thousands of dollars... not @ all, dnt worry
heaven2002
30-06-07, 05:23 PM
I read a couple books from fisabillah organisation, with regards to marriage and wedding customs.
When I asked a christian catholic co-worker in my office, about the finger, she said that that finger links directly to the heart in some way. She didn't mention a thing about the 'father, son and holy spirit, amen'.
apparently pagans used to believe this but scientifically its not true,
and then chrstians copied the pagans, and now muslims are copying the christians
if its a plain platinum band with no stones in it, it wont cost u thousands of dollars... not @ all, dnt worry
Right sis... :) , dunno never bought any platinum stuff, all I heard was it's more expensive and valuable than gold... :o
lol! looks like it doesn't cost an arm and a leg then... :D
:jkk:
apparently pagans used to believe this but scientifically its not true,
and then chrstians copied the pagans, and now muslims are copying the christians
Nauzubillah!
I hope this not true for the most part, at least with regard to the Muslims...
I Hope we are not copying the Muslims, I hope we are just wearing it as an ornament, not for Marriage significance... :smack:
:jkk:
ummbilal
01-07-07, 09:58 AM
I wear a ring on my wedding finger, its not a wedding ring, but its my mahr, and fits me on that finger, there was no giving of rings at my wedding and the ring doesnt symbolise i am married, as our intention wasnt to copy the kufr I see noting wrong in it, as it happens when we got married my now hubby asked me what do u want as a mahr, i chose a ring, it could have been anything, earrings, a necklace etc... then would it be a wedding necklace.. or just my mahr???
Islam is all about intention.
ummbilal
01-07-07, 10:01 AM
I read a couple books from fisabillah organisation, with regards to marriage and wedding customs.
When I asked a christian catholic co-worker in my office, about the finger, she said that that finger links directly to the heart in some way. She didn't mention a thing about the 'father, son and holy spirit, amen'.
That'll be because until recently the Church forbid scientific study of a body after death, so while in the islamic empire doctors and scientists were studying the human body and making great strides in knowledge, the Christians of europe thought all blood ran upwards or something.......allahu alam but they were way behind....
Nauzubillah!
I hope this not true for the most part, at least with regard to the Muslims...
I Hope we are not copying the muslims* I hope we are just wearing it as an ornament, not for Marriage significance... :smack:
:jkk:
(what he means is insha Allah )
..." I hope we are not copying the christians*I hope we are just wearing it as an ornament, not for Marriage significance...
(typo akhi )
and just to add that if its just an ornament ...then dont wear it on the left hand, on the christian wedding ring finger ...
and always remember sisters all the gold that u have , u have to weigh it, and pay zakat on it every year ... so make sure u gather all ur gold jewellery and get it weighed, (calculate the weight minus the weight of the jewells in the gold) and make sure u pay ur zakat on your gold !
ummbilal
01-07-07, 10:23 AM
jazakallah kahir for the zakat reminder sister
(what he means is insha Allah )
..." I hope we are not copying the christians*I hope we are just wearing it as an ornament, not for Marriage significance...
(typo akhi )
thats exactly what I meant sis... :D
and just to add that if its just an ornament ...then dont wear it on the left hand, on the christian wedding ring finger ...
Ditto...
and always remember sisters all the gold that u have , u have to weigh it, and pay zakat on it every year ... so make sure u gather all ur gold jewellery and get it weighed, (calculate the weight minus the weight of the jewells in the gold) and make sure u pay ur zakat on your gold !
:jkk: sis... :o
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