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sunny_skies

24-06-07, 03:04 PM

How major stores are encouraging little girls to dress like trashy dolls

By JILL PARKIN - More by this author » (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmsearch/overture.html?in_page_id=711&in_overture_ua=cat&in_start_number=0&in_restriction=byline&in_query=jill parkin&in_name=on&in_order_by=relevance+date) Last updated at 09:37am on 28th February 2007
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So this is the end product - little girls dressed as sex bait. This is what the manufacturer of one of the most successful children's toys ever is really turning out.

It's an intelligent parent's nightmare - and a pervert's dream.
Bratz are childlike dolls - all big eyes and big heads - packaged as hookers. They have pouting lips, bare midriffs, plunging tops, tiny skirts and skimpy lingerie in black and pink. scroll down for more

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_03/YellowBratz_468x713.jpg Yellow crop T-shirt £3.99, yellow bag £4.99, H&M, 020 7323 211. Yellow skirt £5, Peacocks, www.peacocks.co.uk.

The dolls look like tarts and you can buy the clothes to make your little girl look just the same at any number of High Street stores.
Who would want to do that? Well, apparently lots of people would: H&M, Bhs, Monsoon, Marks & Spencer and Peacocks aren't known for stocking stuff that no one will want to buy.
And our pictures show just how easy it is to find sexualised children's fashion in their stores.
What are they thinking of, these mothers who turn their little girls into sex kittens?
They're certainly not thinking of them as children. And they're not thinking of the danger - emotional and physical - to which they are exposing their daughters.
As for who would buy the dolls, well, Bratz outsells Barbie by two to one and has about 40 per cent of the £100 million-a-year UK doll market.
When my daughters (now 14 and 11) were at the doll stage, I loathed Barbie. She was vain and empty-headed - everything I didn't want my girls to be. Any Barbie that crossed our threshold came to an accidental but murderous end.
I didn't rage, because that would have made her more appealing, but I conspired with my daughters to mock her until the day she met her unlamented end - by chance melted on the Aga, thrown out with the rubbish, or abandoned somewhere.
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http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_03/JeanBratz_468x623.jpg white fluffy cape £30, Jeans £24, Monsoon, 020 7313 3000. Yellow top £4. Peacocks, as before

I never realised what mild stuff she was until I came across the trash marketed by UK Bratz distributor Vivid Imagination. Frankly, Bratz dolls make Barbie look like a Brownie.
MGA Entertainment, the family-owned California firm that launched Bratz in June 2001, earns around £1.6 billion a year from the slapper dolls and their accessories.
And where one manufacturer fishes successfully, others will follow, no matter how dirty the water.
In 2005, Asda was condemned by child welfare groups for marketing black lacy underwear to nine-yearold girls. In 2003, Bhs was forced to withdraw its Little Miss Naughty range - which included thongs and padded bras and was aimed at under-tens - after campaigners called for a boycott of the store.
It beggars belief that such stuff - push-up bras and high heels - ever made the shelves. Who were these designers and marketeers who sat around the table cold-bloodedly sexualising little girls for profit?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_03/PinkBratz_468x741.jpg Pink heart top £5.99, H&M, as before. Grey skirt £7, Tammy at Bhs, as before. White tights £5, Marks & Spencer

Yet it is still happening, as our pictures show. All of the items of clothing these professional child models are wearing could be bought on the High Street in the past week.
The message sent out by Bratz and all the other porny paraphernalia is that little girls must look like this or be worthless.
The message it sends out to adolescent boys and perverted men is that these aren't children but knowing child-women, somehow up for it and dressed for it.
We live in an age that likes to appear cynical. It now seems naive to point out that the only thing that big business cares about is big bucks.
And if you object that certain products demean girls and women, well, you are considered a prude.
But it needs to be said, because simply saying 'So what?' is costing the childhood of a generation.
There's a five-year-old I see in the school playground at going-home time, clutching her book and her rabbit pencil case. Bugs Bunny or Peter Rabbit? No, Playboy.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/02_03/SuperBabeBratz_468x806.jpg Super Babe T-shirt 37, Marks & Spencer, 0845 302 1234. Diamante jeans £9, sequin belt £1.50, both Bhs, 020 7262 3288.

Every day, this child carries her crayons and her felt tips in a case with the symbol of a pornography empire that has now become so entrenched in our society that you can buy it on the children's shelves at WH Smith.
Her big sister, who is just old enough to tell the time, has a Playboy watch.
So what? An unhappy childhood, that's what. These children can never be good enough because there's always another image to live up to - just as there's always another slut-doll to buy.
On any High Street on a Saturday, you can see children wearing make-up, children who have obviously spent ages straightening their hair, children wearing T-shirts with provocative slogans. Hardly signs of self-esteem and happiness.
Last week, the American Psychological Association issued a warning about Bratz dolls.
"It is worrisome when dolls designed specifically for four to eight-yearolds are associated with an objectified adult sexuality," said the APA.
The week before last, a Unicef study concluded that British children were the unhappiest and unhealthiest of their age group in the developed world.
Only this week, the charity Child-Line reported that one in six of some 6,000 calls from youngsters to the helpline about mental health problems came from girls who talked about suicide. Some of them were only five years old.
It's ironic that our children, on whom we spend more than ever, should be feeling so sad. Children spend much more time alone - often isolated in their bedrooms - than they used to.
The space that parents once occupied in their lives is now filled with products and, of course, with those screens that link them to advertisers and other predators.
We need to get back into our children's lives and elbow the creeps out. All the cards are in our parental hands, just as the money is in our wallets. Parent power is bigger than pester power.
We can see Bratz off, just as we can see off all the sexy stuff that is appearing on hangers in the children's departments. All we have to do is not buy it.
"They represent all that little girls want to be," say the makers of the Bratz dolls.
No, they don't. It's up to us to tell our little girls that they can be much, much more than that.
We can do that by companionship and conversation, by having family meals and family outings that don't involve the shopping mall. Happy children don't look like plastic slappers. Do your daughter a favour: bin her Bratz today.

Irfan GBH

24-06-07, 03:52 PM

A good article, i'm sure alhumdulillah people ont he forums don;t have these problems tho :)

Would be a good article to show kaffirs though.

neelu

24-06-07, 03:55 PM

I honestly thought the top outfit didn't look too bad, particularly for a very little girl but generally I do really loathe these slutz dolls:rubeyes: It's not just the dolls though it's the surrounding culture as well like you end up hearing kids mimicking in semi American accents "hey are you goin to the party" and the WORST was when I heard my 5 year old niece on her way out of the house singing "don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?" :nervous: To an extent I do definitely blame parents who aren't proactive enough with their kids to teach them that these things are linked to values which have nothing to do with us. I get annoyed with parents who are complacent about these things and then cry when their kids become real life Bratz teenagers- even a lot of kufaar parents dread it.

Oh yeah and my pet hate are these toddler and little kiddie clothes with stupid captions like "cute babe" (and not in the cutie baby sense either) written on them:@

AbuMusaab

24-06-07, 03:55 PM

It's just another side-effect of "freedom." This is the "freedom" that is on the march as Bush once proclaimed.

They want to bring this "freedom" to the whole world. And the above is where this "freedom" eventually leads.

We must do everything we can to reject this "freedom," insha'Allah.

heaven2002

24-06-07, 04:19 PM

this has always been the case

look at barbie- shes been around for years looking rubbish

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 04:51 PM

A good article, i'm sure alhumdulillah people ont he forums don;t have these problems tho :)

Would be a good article to show kaffirs though.

I decided to post this article as I think it is of relevance to Muslims too. I have heard Muslim sisters talking about these dolls, apparently some of our children do ask their parents to buy them these things.

It is also important for parents to know what is out there in terms of toys, and which toys could be harmful to their children's upbringing. I know some parents don't have the faintest idea what some toys are or what they symbolize (I didn't know what Bratz dolls were until a few months ago) and may just buy their child what they think is just another ordinary doll. I have never watched the Bratz cartoons this article talks about, but now that I know what they're like, I will make sure my children aren't exposed to them!!

Kal-El

24-06-07, 05:32 PM

There was a court case based on this. I have a video, I'll upload it as soon as I can.

If anyone is interested that is

Kal-El

24-06-07, 07:14 PM

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1959125#post1959125

.: Rashid :.

24-06-07, 07:20 PM

Kal-El

24-06-07, 07:25 PM

It's sad that in other generations "femininity" in terms of clothing were these beautiful long gowns and pretty dresses, whereas now it's become these sexual blankets designed to entice sexual attention from the opposite gender and it's even more sad at how some girls base their own self-esteem and confidence on such clothing.

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 08:06 PM

my lil nieces dress like this...it really used to annoy me but now I've got used to it I think :o

The problem is that everyone thinks its harmless...my sister's fine with it because they're little kids, and so it meets the requirements for awrah.

-Rashid

Yep, Ive heard sisters saying this too. Children can wear whatever, but:

a) at what age do you deem such clothing to become inappropriate and tell your daughter she can no longer wear these things? Will it by then be too late as she will already feel so comfortable in such clothing that anything more modest will make her feel 'uncomfortable'.
b) If we want our daughters to dress modestly surely we need to train them from a young age? (Im talking about instilling a love and desire to wear modest clothing, a headscarf, etc, NOT to throw an abayah over them and make them wear it from the age of 4)
c) Should we be worried that perverts may be looking at our daughters in such clothing?

dhakiyya

24-06-07, 08:06 PM

Its not just the dolls either....... anyone seen the cartoon spin off? Its disgusting, aimed at the same age group, in that computer animation, girls with unnaturally skinny arms and waists swanning around talking about boys, dating, clothes, makeup and air headed dating obsessed stuff that girls that age should NOT be concerned about. Its on childrens tv - I think on ITV. I've banned it from my household mashaAllah, and the dolls and inshaAllah I'm letting my family (non Muslims) know that Ruqayya is NOT playing with barbie or brats, in fact I'm intending inshaAllah to pre-approve all cartoon characters and dolls that anyone wants to buy her. There are other imitation brats characters you can get as/on toys and on accessories like school bags in places like Woolworths.

There is a Muslim doll called Razanne that comes with prayer mat, jilbaab and hijaab mashaAllah, if your little girls want something like barbie, get her Razanne instead. Also Razanne has indoor clothes (together with teaching about covering up when she goes outside) and these indoor clothes are very modest and innocent, like nicely cut knee length dresses, no midriffs or anything bratty.

Also on the same subject, I went to buy vests for Ruqayya - I was looking for size 9-12 months, and I had to reject the set of vests on sale in one shops baby department because they said stuff like "disco babe" ----- the sizes for that went as small as newborn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The ones in Woolies were much nicer, like "I love my mummy" and "I love my daddy" :love: :love: :love:

dhakiyya

24-06-07, 08:09 PM

Also the same shop with the inappropriate for baby girls vests, their childrens department is full of clothes with the most inappropriate slogans, aimed at little girls of all ages.

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 08:19 PM

neelu

24-06-07, 08:21 PM

Also the same shop with the inappropriate for baby girls vests, their childrens department is full of clothes with the most inappropriate slogans, aimed at little girls of all ages.

Yeh that's exactly what I was referring to in my last post. Another terrible symbol that's become the norm among kids but Muslim parents should be aware of is this:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/35/012_5012~Playboy-Bunny-Posters.jpg

It is literally a pornography logo, but they're becoming so mainstream that most high street shops sell this logo on duvet covers, stationery, ALL AIMED AT LITTLE KIDS!

heaven2002

24-06-07, 08:21 PM

are dolls with eyes allowed?
are they not like likkle statues?:rubeyes:

dhakiyya

24-06-07, 08:25 PM

Yes, I saw those playboy things on stationary next to kiddies stationary in Smiths the other week.... I thought it was rather :eek3: I don't know why any woman would want such a thing for stationary - when I was last teaching permanently one of my year 11's had it and I wondered why on earth she wanted it, she didn't seem to me to be one of the brash, flirty ones, perhaps she didn't know what it was........ but when it comes to little kids, I don't know how any parent can allow it. Do the parents not know what it is? Little girls certainly don't know enough to decide thats the kind of image they want to project for themselves... how are they going to feel when they *are* old enough to understand what it means?

dhakiyya

24-06-07, 08:27 PM

are dolls with eyes allowed?
are they not like likkle statues?:rubeyes:

Aisha (ra) played with dolls.

Dolls and toy animals are allowed according to most scholars, provided they are 100% a toy and played with. (that is, dolls/toy animals on the shelf etc for decoration are not allowed)

Also a lot of scholars say the dolls or animal toys should not be too realistic. They should be cartoony rather than trying to look very realistic. Though where you draw the line on that one depends on the scholar afaik.

Certainly bratz and barbie are not suitable because of the sexual/air headed bimbo type connotations. Razanne and Islamic versions that don't have those connotations are a good compromise if your daughter really really really wants a doll.

heaven2002

24-06-07, 08:34 PM

Eemaan

24-06-07, 08:36 PM

:jkk: Dhakkiyah, didnt know this was her. where can i buy her in the uk?

Razanne takes on Barbie (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/136/136669_razanne_takes_on_barbie.html)

the outfits on the first post can do with out the midriff exposure and why hig heels??? :rubeyes:

ze leetle elper

24-06-07, 08:40 PM

I don't see why not? Like sis dhakiyya said, if you are going to compare a doll to a statue then it would be something that would sit on a shelf like an ornament. A doll is a plaything. As far as I am aware you do not play with statues?

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 08:41 PM

Do you think in those days when Aisha (ra) played with dolls that they had eyes on and they looked like the little statue ones you get nowadays?
i thought maybe they were more raggy doll type with bits of fabric and no features?

That is probably what was available at the time to her, I have heard this too.
I have also asked shuyookh about this and the answer I got was that dolls were permissible because they instill/encourage a mothering instinct in our daughters, a desire for children, something which is essential for every woman to have. I will look this up and post if I find something relevant, but my understanding is that there are different viewpoints. Allah knows best :)

heaven2002

24-06-07, 08:43 PM

i know someone who made her little daughter a rag doll , she doesnt allow her to play with the dolls you get in shops as theyre too life like with eyes

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 08:44 PM

Hadith - Bukhari 8:151, Narrated 'Aisha http://muttaqun.com/graphics/ranha.gif

I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin http://muttaqun.com/graphics/ranha.gif
When the Apostle of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah http://muttaqun.com/graphics/saaws-long.gif laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.

heaven2002

24-06-07, 08:48 PM

:up:
my sister used to play with dolls
i used to find them scary with their staring eyes

sunny_skies

24-06-07, 09:00 PM

Aaishah said, “I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh), and my girlfriends used to play along with me. Whenever, Allaah's Messenger (pbuh) would enter, they would hide from him. So he called them to play with me.” In the classical commentary on Saheeh al-Bukhaare entitled Fat-h al-Baaree, Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalaanee wrote the following: “This hadeeth is used as evidence for the permissibility of making dolls and toys with human and animal forms for the purpose of girls playing with them. This category has been specifically excluded from the general prohibition against making images. ‘Iyaad stated this to be categorically so and related that it was the position of the majority of scholars. He further related that they permitted the selling of toys for girls in order to train them from their youth in their household affairs and in dealing with their children…”

shamson

24-06-07, 09:41 PM

GuCcI

24-06-07, 11:26 PM

ughh the bratz clothes in the pictures remind me of something from work

i used to work in the children's wear section in a department store and we had a Hilary Duff Clothing line for girls from age 2 to 16. from size 2 to 6 section there was a shiny black mini skirt (kind of garbage bag material?) by Hilary Duff that looked like something a hooker would wear ... just the trashiest thing The Bay ever sold :rolleyes: :rubeyes:

and the new summer clothes coming out for girls from those sizes are exact replicas of wat u see on the runway but mini versions like the jean mini skirt with leggings and watnot :(

sunny_skies

25-06-07, 06:23 AM

Actually the dolls Aisha (RA) used to play with were made from bits of fabric and stuffing and looked what is known theses days are rag dolls and no they did not have eyes or fingers, breasts, mini skirts, toes etc. It is not permissable to play with toys or dolls that have been made to liken the creation of Allah!!

Please read 'Our precious sprouts' islamic regulations for newborns by Muhammad Al-jibaly - Al-kitaab & as-sunnah Publishing. Can be found is places like zamzam, islamic book shops etc. The Prophet SAW said that angels do not enter a house where there is an image or a dog. that includes dolls. You can not think oh we don't worship these dolls but your children do they are not just dolls for them they are a lifestyle and role model!

Also you can not say that as long as a child's awrah is covered it is permissable to allow them to wear whatever takes your fancy subhanAllah, you do not each children islamic etiquettes from when they hit their teens and have there own opinions about life, islam etc. you instill it from when they are born! You recites quran, you pray with your children next to you, you say the duas for entering the toilet, eating,sleeping waking up etc. dressing modestly,islamic mannners should be part of their identity as muslims. When our children leave the house they are exposed to so much fitnah - we should do our best to protect them, if they want something that is not permissable we explain this to them AND provide them with an alternative.

Like I said, there are differing opinions amongst the shuyookh. Yes, I am aware that Aaisha RA played with rag dolls without eyes, etc. The rulings I have been given say that it is permitted for young girls to play with dolls, of course this does not mean trashy dolls that promote immorality!

Do you have children of your own? If you do then you will know exactly how difficult it is to find acceptable alternatives for our children. We don't want to completely cut them off from playing with normal toys to such an extent that children develop a love for these forbidden things and go and play with them/try to obtain them behind our backs as soon as they get the chance. The middle way is the best way :)

Say: "O People of the Book! Make no excess in your religion, trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by, who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even Way. ( al-Ma'idah 5:77)

Muslims are called U mmatan Wasatan . The commentators of the Qur'an explain the word “wasat” as “justly balanced”, “the best (khiyar or khayr)”. ( see al-Tabari, al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir etc.) Yusuf Ali says: “The essence of Islam is to avoid all extravagances on either side. It is a sober, practical religion.” ( note 143 on 2:143)

Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala has made this Ummah a moderate Ummah. Muslims have to follow the middle path, the path that has no extremes or excesses.
It is a path that brings together in a harmonious balance:
Revelation and Reason ( Wahy and ‘Aql )
Individual and Community ( Fard and Mujtama ')
Religion and World ( Din and Dunya )
This World and the Other World ( Dunya and ‘Akhirah )

shamson

25-06-07, 04:07 PM

Yes I do have children 2 daughters aged 7 and 3 and a boy who is just under 2 mashAllah. Of course you have to be moderate but you can not allow things which are haraam into your homes just coz they play with these things elsewhere. The Prophet SAW said angels do not enter a house where there is an image or a dog - where do you put that if you allow these kinds of dolls? Children accept alternatives if you explain to them in a manner which they understand, we even explain things to our 3 year old in the context of halal, haraam, islamic,unislamic.

I think it is all to do with how you educate your children about haraam and halal and what sort of children keep your children company and the character of their parents. I know you may think me extreme but I know of parents who find it funny when their 5 year olds come from school and say they have a boyfriend or girlfriend subhanAllah. Parents who allow their 5 year olds to wear high heels, short skirts etc. just coz the parents are nice ppl that does not mean i will allow my children to keep this sort of company.

Me and my husband started to practice 3 years ago and before this my daughter had barbies etc. but when we started to practice we would teach our children (slowly and with lots of love and hugs) what halal is what haraam is what the Prophet SAW said that we can and can't do.

we explained that it was better to have angels come into your house then shaytaan. (Did you know that JINNS/Shaytaan rest in the eyes of images?????) girls just want to play 'mummies and babies' they don't care what the babies look like! You can buy lovely rag dolls on ebay or shops that sell cotton,pins,buttons etc. Barbies/bratz dolls are not a option because they are haraam - there creators will be asked on the day of judgement to bring to like that which they have moulded! If you were to take any dolls that have eyes, lashes,fingers,toes,breasts, bums etc. and say is it permissable to have these in you house what will they say? when you request a fatwa for things like these do you actually include the image so the scholars can actually see how these ppl are trying to imitate the creation of Allah.

Sister i used to think it was hard to find alternatives coz I just couldn't be bothered to run around and look for it or speak to ppl about it but Alhumdolilla muslims are more aware these days and there are suitable alternatives.

Just coz another sister with a hijaab buys a barbie wearing a hijaab doesn't mean it's ok to do the same. Please read the book i mentioned earlier or anything similar from ppl of the qur'an and sunnah and this should help clarify things.

heaven2002

25-06-07, 05:15 PM

^^^^^please could you tell me which shops sell rag dolls?

shamson

25-06-07, 05:21 PM

You can purchase them on ebay and sunday markets etc. I would like to apolagise for saying that childrens dolls are haraam. I have read a fatwa from shaykh uthaymeen rahimullah which states different to what I have read before but mentions importantance about what a doll should look like.

ISLAM Q and A

Question:
We know from Hadith that the Angels do not enter into a house where pictures/phograhps of living things (humans or animals )are displased.
What is the ruling for keeping the photographs of family relatives and pictures appearing in magazines/news papers etc. and toys like dolls and sruptures of animals.
Your kind reply based on teaching of Quran and Hadith is most kindly requested. May Allah bless you for this act of kindness.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Image-making is of two types: one by hand and the other by means of machines.

Image-making by hand is haraam, and is in fact a major sin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who does it. He did not differentiate between images that have a shadow (i.e., three-dimensional) or those that are simply drawn (two-dimensional), according to the more correct scholarly opinion, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth.

With regard to image-making by means of machines, i.e. cameras, there is a difference of opinion among the later scholars on this matter. Some of them forbid it and some of them allow it.

In order to be on the safe side, it is better to avoid that, because it is one of the doubtful areas. And whoever is careful with regard to doubtful matters will protect his religious commitment and his honour. But if he needs to do that for a specific purpose such as proving his identity, there is nothing wrong with that because if there is a need, the matter is no longer doubtful.

Secondly:

With regard to keeping pictures, this is also of two types:

The first type is keeping images that are three-dimensional. Keeping them is haraam. Ibn al-‘Arabi narrated that there is consensus on this point. See Fath al-Baari, p. 388, vol. 10). He said: This consensus has to do with things other than girls’ dolls.

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and I had friends who would play with me. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered they would hide themselves and he would call them to come and play with me. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 5779; Muslim, no. 2440.

The second type is images that are not three-dimensional. These are of different types:

1- Those that are hung up to be venerated and respected, as in the case of pictures of kings, presidents, ministers, scholars etc. This is haraam because it involves exaggeration about a created being.

2- Those that are hung up for the sake of memory, such as hanging up pictures of one's friends. This is also haraam, because of the hadeeth narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari from Abu Talhah (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: “I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘The angels do not enter any house in which there is a dog or an image.’” Narrated by Muslim, no. 2104).

3- Those that are hung up for the purpose of adornment. These are also haraam because of the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came back from a journey and I had hung a patterned curtain on which there were images over (the door of) a room of mine. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw it, he tore it and said, ‘The most severely punished of the people on the Day of Resurrection will be those who tried to imitate the creation of Allaah.’” She said: “So I made it into one or two cushions.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 5610; Muslim, no. 2107.

4- Those that are treated with disrespect, such as images in carpets and pillows. Al-Nawawi narrated from the majority of scholars among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een that these are permissible.

5- Those that have unfortunately become widespread and are difficult to avoid, such as images engraved on coins etc which have become a problem for the Muslim ummah. It seems to me that there is no sin on the one who acquires these without wanting to acquire images.

Thirdly:

With regard to dolls that children play with:

An exception is made in the case of children’s toys, which are not regarded as haraam or makrooh. But what are the toys which are exempted? We know that the toys of the past did not have eyes and lips and noses as they do nowadays. I think it is better to avoid these toys and limit oneself to those the kind of toys that were known previously.

See Fataawa al-‘Aqeedah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, p. 66, 663, 679

And Allaah knows best.

Kal-El

25-06-07, 06:39 PM

Watch Court Case (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XNr8RzXbid0)

Note: Mature Adult Viewing

sunny_skies

25-06-07, 10:31 PM

Watch Court Case (http://youtube.com/watch?v=XNr8RzXbid0)

Note: Mature Adult Viewing
Jazakallah Khair brother for this video :)

dhakiyya

25-06-07, 10:31 PM

Do you think in those days when Aisha (ra) played with dolls that they had eyes on and they looked like the little statue ones you get nowadays?
i thought maybe they were more raggy doll type with bits of fabric and no features?

Its not a matter of what I think the dolls look like. Either the hadeeths in question describe them or they do not. If they don't, then we don't know what they look like, and the conclusion we can draw from them is that it is permissable for girls to play with dolls. Back then they had the technology to carve wood, so the dolls *could* have had a carved wooden heads for all we know (unless the hadeeths actually say otherwise).

dhakiyya

25-06-07, 10:39 PM

dhakiyya

25-06-07, 10:44 PM

With regard to dolls that children play with:

An exception is made in the case of children’s toys, which are not regarded as haraam or makrooh. But what are the toys which are exempted? We know that the toys of the past did not have eyes and lips and noses as they do nowadays. I think it is better to avoid these toys and limit oneself to those the kind of toys that were known previously.

See Fataawa al-‘Aqeedah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, p. 66, 663, 679

And Allaah knows best.

The general advice is good mashaAllah, however its not true that the toys of the past did not have eyes, lips and noses. There are toys from much earlier than the time the Prophet :saw: lived in that did have them. They are not difficult to make, people in the late stone age had the ability to carve or mark facial features on a doll.

I really would like to see the evidence that says that whether a toy has eyes or not is the yardstick for whether its halal or haram.

shamson

26-06-07, 12:25 AM

perfectpearl

26-06-07, 04:46 AM

Ill never buy those things. They are bad influence. Ill just buy them a baby doll which is not haram becuase Aisha (ra) used to have a doll. The Prophet (saw) used to leave it outside the house after she is done playing with it.

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 06:30 AM

Firstly I wanted to say as I had before that I am sorry for saying that dolls are haraam and i did put forward the proof myself to say that they are not so alhumdolilla I have corrected my mistake in front of everyone.

I would like to comment that yes images before the time of the prophet SAW had eyes, nose etc. and even at the time of the prophet SAW had it all but these were also used when making idols. If you look into the history of grave worship and when actual shirk came about you will see that ppl were making images of pious ppl to remember them by and as time went by ppl started use these images etc. not only to remember the pious but also to worship them and this is how shaytaan made ppl commit shirk.

Anyway alhumdolilla for all that we have spoken about and I still sincerely hope parents and family will be cautious about what 'dolls' they allow into the hands of their children. We are gaurdians and protectors over our children and not the other way round.

Allahu Musta'an

I have never come across any evidence to show what kinds of dolls Aaisha RS played with and whether they had eyes/features.
We have already established here that dolls with 'miniskirts', skimpy clothing etc, ie, Bratz and Barbie dolls, are forbidden due to the immorality they promote. These dolls do nothing to encourage a mothering instinct, rather portray the wrong messages to innocent children. Like I said earlier, the shaykh I spoke to told me dolls were allowed for teaching about motherhood etc, which is why I buy my girls baby dolls which have bottles and dummies and nappies and suchlike :)

I have the book 'Our Precious Sprouts' at home too, I will read it again in August Insha allah when we return.

With regards to covering things with images in your homes, the same goes for other toys, picture books, newspapers, television and other items. Obviously we must not pray surrounded by images or photos, I have read this before.

Allah knows best :)

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 06:49 AM

but you can not allow things which are haraam into your homes just coz they play with these things elsewhere.

If I allow my children to play with anything it will be due to it's educational value and not because these things are played with elsewhere. I refuse to follow the sheep mentality where children just 'have' to have certain toys and their parents have to bend over backwards to buy them.

I think it is all to do with how you educate your children about haraam and halal and what sort of children keep your children company and the character of their parents. I know you may think me extreme but I know of parents who find it funny when their 5 year olds come from school and say they have a boyfriend or girlfriend subhanAllah. Parents who allow their 5 year olds to wear high heels, short skirts etc. just coz the parents are nice ppl that does not mean i will allow my children to keep this sort of company.

I agree, but it's also to do with the way in which you educate them about such matters. Like I said, I have always been inclined to stay on the middle path. As parents it is also our Islamic duty to educate our children to the best of our abilities, and this includes Islamic education as well as schooling in other academic areas. The way in which we choose to do this depends on us, as parents. What we deem appropriate/inappropriate, what materials we buy, the method in which we teach, etc. I use whatever toys and equipment to aid me in teaching my children I deem appropriate. I cannot believe something of educational value (which may or may not have images/pictures) like an alphabet activity, flashcards or number games is forbidden to use to educate our children.

We also know that all our actions are dependent on our niyyah, intention:

It is narrated on the authority of Amirul Mu'minin, Abu Hafs 'Umar bin al-Khattab, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, say:"Actions are (judged) by motives (niyyah), so each man will have what he intended. Thus, he whose migration (hijrah) was to Allah and His Messenger, his migration is to Allah and His Messenger; but he whose migration was for some worldly thing he might gain, or for a wife he might marry, his migration is to that for which he migrated."
[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

and Allah knows best the intentions in our hearts.

You can buy lovely rag dolls on ebay or shops that sell cotton,pins,buttons etc. Barbies/bratz dolls are not a option because they are haraam -

Ragdolls have faces and eyes too.

Sister i used to think it was hard to find alternatives coz I just couldn't be bothered to run around and look for it or speak to ppl about it but Alhumdolilla muslims are more aware these days and there are suitable alternatives.

I know of many sources for alternatives from my jobs in Islamic schools. Alhamdulillah, we do have a lot of alternative toys and books, dvd's etc for our children. There is still a lot that needs to be done in terms of educational toys, though.

Just coz another sister with a hijaab buys a barbie wearing a hijaab doesn't mean it's ok to do the same. Please read the book i mentioned earlier or anything similar from ppl of the qur'an and sunnah and this should help clarify things.

I did mention earlier that I buy something if I think it will be beneficial to my children and not because their friends have it.

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 11:04 AM

I was talking to my ustadhah today (an Al Azhar graduate, Masha Allah) regarding the dolls of Aaisha RA and images in the time of the prophet SA. She gave me an excellent example.
Egypt has been ruled by many great Muslims, such as Amr bin Al Aas, Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr (THE FIRST CALIPHS SON), Salaheddin Al Ayyubi and Abd al Rahman ibn Muhammad (Ibn Khaldun) to name just a few...

639–642: Arab armies under the banner of Islam (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/isla/hd_isla.htm) conquer Egypt during the reign of the Rightly Guided Caliph cUmar ibn al-Khattab (r. 634–44). Al-Fustat, the garrison town that will eventually become part of the future city of Cairo, is established and a congregational mosque, the first in Egypt, is built for use by the Muslim army.

868–905 Established by a former deputy governor, Ahmad ibn Tulun (r. 868–83), the Tulunid dynasty breaks away from the cAbbasid caliphate (http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/abba/hd_abba.htm) in Baghdad and becomes the first independent Islamic dynasty to rule Egypt. Along with a palace, Ibn Tulun commissions a monumental congregational mosque (876–79) that is influenced by cAbbasid examples in Iraq.

969–973 The Fatimid army conquers Egypt and founds the city of Cairo (al-Qahira, "the triumphant"), which is established as the new capital. The congregational mosque of al-Azhar ("the splendid") is also founded at this time.

To this day, the Sphinx in Cairo still remains standing, not one of the Muslim rulers sought to destroy it. Apparently this was due to them all accepting that The Sphinx is not worshipped, and is also left as a sign for Muslims to take heed (that the ancient Pharoahs built these great monuments thinking they were immortal and where are they now?)

She gave me other examples too, I will try to post some more later Insha allah :)

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 09:45 PM

The fatwa below is from the English translation "The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam" by Dr. Yousuf Al Qaradawi which is available on the internet at http://www.qaradawi.net/

"Islam has prohibited the keeping of statues in the Muslim home. By statues is meant complete, solid figures which have not been disfigured or otherwise defaced. Their presence in a house is considered sufficient to drive away the angels, who represent Allah's mercy and His pleasure.
As the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) said, "Assuredly the angels do not enter a house in which there are statues (or figures)." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim; the wording is from Muslim.)

According to the commentary of scholars, a person who keeps statues in his house is similar to unbelievers, whose practice it is to keep and venerate idols in their homes. The angels are repelled by this; they do not enter such a house and abandon it. It is also forbidden to the Muslim to engage in manufacturing statues, even if he makes them for non-Muslims. The Prophet (peace be on him) said: "Among the people receiving the harshest punishment on the Day of Resurrection will be the makers of figures," or, in another version, "the of Allah's creation." (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)

He also said, On the Day of Resurrection, the maker of a figure will be asked to breathe a spirit into it, and he will never be able to do so, (Reported by al-Bukhari and others.) meaning that he will be asked to bring it to life in order to reproach and humiliate him.
If there are some kinds of three-dimensional figures which are not intended to be accorded respect or to be displayed as an expression of high living, then the above cautionary statements do not apply. Islam does not close its mind to them, nor does it see any harm in their use.

Children's playthings such as dolls, in the form of humans, animals, and the like fall into this category.
Said the Prophet's wife 'Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her): I used to play with dolls in the house of the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) and my friends would come over to play with me. They would hide when they saw the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) approaching, but he was in fact very happy to see them with me, and so we played together. (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)

'Aisha also reported, One day the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) asked me, 'What are these?' 'My dolls,' I replied. 'What is this in the middle?' he asked. 'A horse,' I replied. 'And what are these things on it?' he asked. 'Wings,' I said. 'A horse with wings?' he asked. 'Have not you heard that Solomon, the son of David, had horses with wings?' I said. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) laughed so heartily that I could see his molars. (Reported by Abu Daoud.)

The dolls mentioned in the above hadith are the dolls with which children play, as 'Aisha was quite young when she married the Prophet (peace be on him). Al-Shawkani says that these ahadith are sufficient proof of the permissibility of children's playing with statue-like three-dimensional figures (i.e., dolls of human or animal shape). It is reported that once Imam Malik saw a man buying dolls for his daughter and he disliked it, but Qadi 'Ayyad says that it is permissible for girls to play with dolls. (Because girls are more likely to play with dolls than boys, only girls have been mentioned here. However, this does not imply any prohibition for boys to do so. (Trans.)) This permission also applies to figures made of sweets for festive occasions since they are used only as food.

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 09:48 PM

Muslim reported from Zayd ibn Khalid al-Juhani, who quoted Abu Talhah al-Ansari as saying, I heard the Messenger of Allah's statement, 'The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or statues.' I then went to see 'Aisha and asked her, 'Are you aware that the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) said, "The angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or statues?" Did you hear the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) mention this?' She replied, 'No, but I will tell you what he did. Once when he had gone on an expedition I draped the door with a curtain having pictures on it. When he returned and saw it, I could discern from his face that he disliked it. He pulled it down and tore it apart, saying, "Allah has not commanded us to clothe stone and clay." 'She said, 'We cut it and made two pillows out of the cloth, stuffing them with palm fibres. He did not criticize me for that.'

Nothing can be inferred from this hadith except that to decorate walls and such things with curtains on which there are pictures is mildly disapproved. Al-Nawawi said, "There is nothing in the hadith implying prohibition. In fact, the crucial words are, 'Allah has not commanded us to do that.' This implies that such a thing is not obligatory or meritorious; in no way does it imply prohibition."

Muslim has also reported from 'Aisha that she said, "We had a curtain with the figure of a bird on it. When the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) entered the house, he saw it right in front of him and he said, 'Remove it from here. When I enter and see it, I am reminded of this world.' "
The Prophet (peace be on him) did not tell 'Aisha to tear up the curtain but only to remove it from the place where it hung facing the entrance; he disliked seeing it there because it brought to his mind the world and its attractions. This is not strange, since the Prophet (peace be on him) used to perform the sunnah and nafil (voluntary) salat at home. Curtains and bedspreads or statues perhaps would have distracted him from concentration in his salat and complete attention in his supplications.
Al-Bukhari also reported Anas as saying, "Aisha had covered a part of her apartment with a drape. The Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) told her, 'Take it away from my sight because its figures keep distracting me from my salat.' "

Medievalist

26-06-07, 09:49 PM

let kids be kids. They got enough problems when they become adults - let em be innocent for a few years :torture:

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 09:51 PM

One of the great Hanafi jurists, al-Tahawi, says, "In the beginning the Prophet (peace be on him) prohibited all types of figures, even if they were two dimensional, since the Muslims had only recently converted from the worship of images. Accordingly, everything of this type was prohibited. Later he lifted the prohibition from cloth with prints because of the necessity of wearing clothes. He also permitted figures which were not treated in a respectful manner,
(As is evident from these ahadith, this would include figures which are made into pillows or cushions on which to sit or recline, figures in rugs or carpets which are trod upon and the like. (Trans.)) since there was no danger that the ignorant would venerate what was debased. The prohibition of figures which are not debased was never lifted." (This has been reported by Sheikh Bakhit in AI-Jawab al-Shafi.)

heaven2002

26-06-07, 09:51 PM

^^^^ have you seent he pictures of these dolls?
theyre anything but innocent

sunny_skies

26-06-07, 09:53 PM

Yep, they are disgusting! No child should play with Bratz dolls, Muslim or not.

shamson

26-06-07, 10:21 PM

Ragdolls have faces and eyes too.

I did mention earlier that I buy something if I think it will be beneficial to my children and not because their friends have it.[/QUOTE]

sorry i forgot to mention that the ragdolls i have had in the past for my girls have had their facial bits done with wool so mashAllah it was really easy just to cut out the eyes and mouth.

abdulhakeem

27-06-07, 03:58 AM

It's official: sexualisation harms girls - The generation of 'damaged' girls (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114689)

Firdes

27-06-07, 09:15 AM

As someone who only started practicing a couple of years ago, I'm still making changes and the whole not having any images/photos on display is kind of new to me.
I have beanie babies on my shelves in the bedroom as well as some 'novelty' dolls, so I guess this will have to go, especially when I have my baby insha'Allah. So is it okay to give the beanie babies for my child to play with? They're just teddy bears.

Also, I've just had a thought, I like to to embroidery, and whilst I've stitched things like butterflies and nature stuff, I've also stitched fairies (which I have one in a frame), plus a couple of winnie the pooh things. I have a friend who when she finds out someone is expecting, stitches them something as a suprise, like a birth sampler. Can someone please tell me where I stand with such things? JazakAllah

sunny_skies

27-06-07, 09:57 AM

Reema

27-06-07, 07:56 PM

Id prefer my little girls to wear cute dresses and skirts and stuff and not this trash and then why are these girls wearing high heels? My own cousins didnt start wearing high heels till in their early teens, I didnt start wearing heels till i was 13-14 years old. Personally I wouldnt allow my own girls to wear shoes of that kind, they are too young and it it could harm their little frames if they had an accident of some kind plus it makes them look older than their age and it ruins the whole purpose of them being young little girls IMO.

shamson

27-06-07, 09:05 PM

There are different opinions amongst the Shuyookh on what is and isn't permissible. Read my posts above for some rulings from shaykh Qaradawi.

since reading about the rulings of qaradawi i have researched into hima little and have found subhanAllah that qaradawi has been refuted by the likes of shaykh uthimeen rahimullah and in the past by shaykh al-albaani so therefore I do not take anything from this man.

neelu

27-06-07, 09:12 PM

Also, I've just had a thought, I like to to embroidery, and whilst I've stitched things like butterflies and nature stuff, I've also stitched fairies (which I have one in a frame), plus a couple of winnie the pooh things. I have a friend who when she finds out someone is expecting, stitches them something as a suprise, like a birth sampler. Can someone please tell me where I stand with such things? JazakAllah

I don't know about that stuff, but if I were in your shoes, to be on the safe side I would start embroidering flowers and other inanimate objects instead.

Firdes

28-06-07, 08:03 AM

I don't know about that stuff, but if I were in your shoes, to be on the safe side I would start embroidering flowers and other inanimate objects instead.

JazakAllah for confirming what I was suspecting, best to be on the safe side as you say. I recently started a mermaid, so I'll have to give up on that.

sunny_skies

28-06-07, 01:16 PM

since reading about the rulings of qaradawi i have researched into hima little and have found subhanAllah that qaradawi has been refuted by the likes of shaykh uthimeen rahimullah and in the past by shaykh al-albaani so

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi [Grand Islamic Scholar and Chairman of the Sunna and Sira Council, Qatar] (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): يوسف القرضاوي) (born September 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_9), 1926 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1926)) is an Egyptian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians) Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) scholar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scholars) and preacher best known for his popular al Jazeera (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera) program, ash-Shariah wal-Hayat ("Shariah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shariah) and Life"), and IslamOnline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamonline.net), a website that he helped to found in 1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997). He has also published some fifty books, including The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lawful_and_the_Prohibited_in_Islam) and Islam: The Future Civilization.

Al-Qaradawi is a faculty member (http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/al_Qaradawi_report_20041110.htm?Multi_page_section s=sHeading_4) of the Michigan-based Islamic American University, a subsidiary of the Muslim American Society. Until at least June 2003 he was also the chairman (in abstentia) of the board of trustees of IAU. He is also the President of the European Council for Fatwah and Research.

"When you talk about Sheikh Qaradawi, you're talking about an audience of hundreds of millions of Muslims across the world, someone who actually creates public opinion," said Azzam Tamimi, director of the Institute of Islamic Political Thought in London. "If Sheik Qaradawi gives a fatwa," he said, using the term for a religious ruling, "that fatwa will be heeded tomorrow in hundreds of places around the world."

Qaradawi is among a prestigious and relatively small group of Arabic-speaking religious leaders who emerged over the past decade at the intersection of technology and faith, using modern communications to deliver blunt and often provocative messages. At the same time, these people have maintained independence from governments, enhancing their reputations as straight talkers.
Qaradawi has the added reputation of being a reformer, a voice not afraid to defy 1,300 years of sometimes sclerotic religious study. It is a measure of attitudes in the Middle East that his critics chastise him not for his support of Palestinian suicide attacks or his opposition to war in Iraq, but for his demand that Christians and Jews be respected as "people of the book" who share the God of Abraham.

[quote] therefore I do not take anything from this man.

This 'man'??!!
Sis, in the same way you feel strongly about the prohibition of dolls, I feel just as strongly about criticising ANY Shaykh. This is disrespectful. You must also learn to accept and tolerate other views and opinions. Just because you have one view you cannot impose it on everyone else. With all due respect, we all try just as hard as you do to research into Halal and Haram, listen to the advice of shaykhs, work hard to seek a knowledgable opinion. We are not just sat around doing whatever we like. So please respect the learned shuyookh, whether you heed their advice or not. If in doubt about something, don't do it. Simple as that.

The Sahabah (R.A.) differed among themselves on a number of issues, starting with choosing the successor to the Prophet (S.A.W.). They differed on strategy in political matters, on interpretations in fiqhi issues. BUT they continued to have respect, love and reverence for each other. The founders of the different fiqh schools, although disagreeing on many issues, even so had great respect for each other.

Prophet Musa (A.S.) once became extremely upset with his brother Harun (Alayhis salaam), who was also a Prophet. He grabbed him by his hair and pulled his beard. Musa (Alayhis salaam) held Harun (Alayhis salaam) responsible for allowing the Bani-Isra'il in following 'Saamiri' and going back to worshipping the idols, during his absence. Harun (A.S.) sadly replied: "O son of my mother, do not seize me by my beard or my head. Truly, I feared but you should say that I caused a division among the Bani-Isra'il and did not respect my word " (20:94)

This verse shows that Harun (A.S.) was extremely concerned with the unity of the Bani-Isra'il. He was waiting for his brother to come back and calmly resolve this problem, thereby avoiding dissension.

Disagreements and differences between people are natural. All of us are different in one way or another. We come from different backgrounds and upbringings, we speak different languages, we belong to different ethnic backgrounds, and have variegated levels of education. We may therefore have different perceptions, opinions, and approaches.

Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala says:

"If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single community, but (His plan is) to test you in what He has given you; so strive as in a race in all virtues. The return of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which you dispute." (5:48)

Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) ordered his companions after the battle of Al-Ahzaab saying, “No one of you should pray Asr until you reach the village of Bani-Qurayzah (A Jewish tribe) .” While they were on their way, the time of Asr came. Some companions said we should not pray until we reach Bani-Qurayzah. Others said we should pray Asr now because the Prophet (S.A.W.) did not mean for us to leave the Asr prayer, but he wanted us to be in a hurry. So some of the companions prayed Asr , while others continued on until they reached Bani-Qurayzah after sunset. When they went back to the Prophet, they mentioned to him the story and he did not blame either one of them." This Hadith clearly shows us that the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) accepted both opinions, because if one of them were wrong then the Prophet would have expressed it at that time.

shamson

28-06-07, 01:35 PM

Some Mistakes of Yusuf Al-Qaradawi
Introduction
That by which the Ummah has been put to trial in current times is the emergence of a people who wear the gown of knowledge, abrogate the Sharee'ah in the name of "revivalism" and facilitate all of the ways to corruption in the name of "understanding the ease and lenience of Islam". And so they opened up evil and despicable avenues in the name of "ijtihaad". Then they belittled the affairs of the Sunnah in the name of the "understanding of priorities" and they also declared their loyalty for the Infidels in the name of "creating a good picture of Islam".

And at the head of them is the mufti known as Yusuf al-Qaradawi who has worked in order to spread this ideology by way of the Internet, lectures, lessons, books and conferences and others ways.

This brief paper is only a summary of some of the ideas and thoughts of this man. We would like to point out that Sheikh Al-Qaradawi has a lot of excellent books that we recommend such as "The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam" and so forth. However, he has a lot of mistakes that we should mention as a way of sincere advice to the Ummah in order to be free of blame and to warn Muslims from some of his fatwas. We would also like to mention that there is absolutely no comparison between this man and the other individuals mentioned in this section of the site. But we had a problem finding a place for this article so we chose to put it here. May Allah guide our Ummah and forgive our shortcomings.

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Sheikh Al-Qaradawi’s Position Towards The Infidels
Sheikh Al-Qaradawi has layed to waste and caused to die the creed of loyalty and disownment (al-walaa al-baraa) with respect to the Kuffaar.

He said about the Christians, "Then all of the affairs are shared between us since we are the sons of a single land, our destination is the same and our Ummah is one. I say about them, ‘Our Christian brothers’ and some people reject this from me and say how can I say that they are our Christian brothers? [Allaah says] "Verily the Believers are but a single brotherhood". Yes, we are believers and they are believers from another angle". (Programme for Sharee’ah and Life, in the lecture Non-Muslims in Light of the Sharee’ah, dated 12/10/97 in Qunaat.) And the lectures and books of this man are replete with this theme, such as what occurs in his book ‘Fataawaa al-Mu’aasarah’, ‘al-Khasaa’is al-Aammah lil-Islaam’ and Malaamih al-Mujta’ma’ al-Muslim’. Likewise, he also fills many of his da’wah programmes with this theme as is well known. Compare this with the saying of Allaah, the Most High, "You will not find anyone who believes in Allaah and the Last day showing friendship for those who resist and oppose Allaah and His Messenger, even if they be their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred…" (Al-Mujadilah 58:22)

He also said in the same gathering, "the Copts (Christians) have offered thousands of "martyrs" (shuhadaa)…".

He said, "The enmity that is between us and the Jews is for the sake of land only, not for the sake of the religion…". (al-Ummah al-Islaamiyyah Haqeeqah, Laa Wahm, p.70). He also corroborated this in his programme, ‘as-Siraa’ Bain al-Muslimeen wal-Yahood’.

He also said concerning the saying of Allaah the Most High, "You will indeed find the most severe in their enmity towards those who believe to be the Jews and the Pagans…" that this is in relation to the circumstances during the era of the Prophet () and is not in relation to the current times. (In the programme, Ash-Sharee’ah wal-Hayaat).

He also used the last part of the verse to justify closeness to the Christians in the current times. (In the lesson entitled, Non-Muslims in the Shade of the Islamic Sharee’ah, which was in the programme, Ash-Sharee’ah wal-Hayaat).

He also affirmed in many places that Islaam – as he claims – reveres the revealed religions. (In the lesson entitled, Deen ul-Bashaa’ir wal-Mubashshiraat, which was in the programme, Ash-Sharee’ah wal-Hayaat, dated 24/1/1999).

And he stated that the adherents of other religions are like the Muslims, due to them is what is due to the Muslims, and upon them is what is upon the Muslims. (Islaam and Secularism, p. 101). He has mentioned this in many of his other lectures and programmes.

And he claims that Jihaad is for the purpose of defending all of the religions not just for Islaam alone. (In the lesson entitled, State Relations, which was in the programme, Ash-Sharee’ah wal-Hayaat).

He also made it permissible to give congratulations to the Infidels on their days of celebration. (In the lesson entitled, Non-Muslims in the Shade of the Islamic Sharee’ah, which was in the programme, Ash-Sharee’ah wal-Hayaat).

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Sheikh Al-Qaradawi’S Position Towards Arts and Entertainment
Sheikh Al-Qaradawi is one of well-known and most popular of the callers to singing and entertainment and he affirms this matter from numerous angles:

He affirms in many of his books that singing is lawful, the cinema is lawful (halaal) and is a good thing. (This occurs in his books in general such as "al-Halaal wal-Haraam", "al-Marji’iyyah al-Ulyaa", "Fataawaa Mu’aasirah and others. As for his verdict on the cinema, then he mentions this in "al-Halaal wal-Haraam").

He mentions how he himself likes to follow up the songs of Faayizah Ahmad, Shaadiyah, Umm Kulthoom, Fairoz and other women. (In the Qatari magazine called ar-Raayah, no. 5969, dated 19/Jumaadah al-Ulaa/1419).

This is only a very small selection of the Qaradawite theorem concerning music and singing. One may refer to the abovementioned books for more of his calamities in this regard.

COMMENTS

This then is the condition of this Mufti who opposes the Book, the Sunnah, the Pious Taabi’een and the Imaams after them, the Mufti who allows the common-folk to persist upon their ignorance, time-wasting and indulgence in vanities and novelties, which are but instruments of the Accursed One, and which but cause them to forget the remembrance of Allaah.

This is the Mufti who has become the authority on current affairs for many of the Qutubiyyah, biased partisans and other strayers.

Where is this Innovator and where are our Righteous Salaf?! Where are those who defend this man, promote his doctrine and poison the sons of Ahl us-Sunnah with his mental decrepitude, his evil verdicts and his annulment and replacement (tabdeel) of the Sharee’ah rulings?

We conclude by quoting from the excellent work of Abu Bilaal Mustafa al-Kanadi’s book on Music and Singing.

THE VIEW OF THE TABIEEN IMAMS AND SCHOLARS AFTER THEM

The view held by the companions was generally adhered to by the taabieen and their followers, the four imams and the great majority of dependable Islamic scholars up to the present time.From among the tabieen and their followers, there are such authorities as Mujaahid, Ikrimah, An-Nakhai and Al-Hassan Al-Basri.(107)

IMAM ABU HANEEFAH

Imam Abu Haneefah (108) has perhaps the harshest view of the four famous Imams of jurisprudence. His school of thought is the strictest, for he detested singing and considered it sinful. As for his disciples, they have explicitly confirmed the prohibition of listening to all musical amusements and pastimes, including wind instruments (mazaameer) (109) all types of tambourines, hand drums(dufoof) (110) and even the striking of sticks9al-qadeeb).They have asserted that such actions constitute disobedience to Allah and that the performer of such action is sinful, therefore necessitating rejection of his testimony (111). They have further stated that it is incumbent upon the Muslim to struggle to avoid listening to such things, even if he were passing by or stationed near them (without any wilful intention). Abu Haneefah's closest disciple, Abu Yoosuf, stated that if the sound of musical instruments (maazif) and amusements (malaahi) were heard coming from a house, the house could be entered without permission of its owners(112). The justification for this is that the command regarding the prohibition abominable things (munkaaraat) is mandatory, and cannot be established if such entering rests upon the permission of the residents of the premises.This is the madhhab (position) of the rest of the Kufic scholars as well, such as Ibraheem An-Nakhai, Ash-Shabi Hammad and Ath-Thowri. They do not differ on this issue. The same can be said of the general body of jurisprudents of Al-Basrah.(114).

IMAAM MAALIK

It is related by Ibnul-Jowzi that Ishaaq bin Eesaa At-Tabaa asked Imaam Maalik bin Anas, (115), the leading jurisprudent of Madeenah, about the view of the people of madeenah regarding singing (ghinaa).He replied, "In fact, that is done by the sinful ones." Abut-teeb At-Tabari said, "As for Maalik bin Anas, he truly did prohibit singing and listening to it." He further related that Maalik said, "If one purchased a slave-girl (116) and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise."(117) The ruling of prohibition (tahreem) is generally agreed upon by the scholars of Madeenah. The Maaliki jurisprudent and commentator, Al-Qurtubi , reports Ibn Khuwayz Mandaad as saying that Imam Maalik had learned singing and music as a small boy until his mother encouraged him to leave it for a study of the religous sciences. He did, and his view became that such things were prohibited.(118)Al-Qurtubi confirmed Maaliks view by saying that the only exception to this general ruling was the type of innocent songs such as those sung to placate the camels during travel, or during hard labour or boredom or during times of festivity and joy, such as the Eed days and weddings-the latter to the accompaniment of a simple daff (hand drum). Al-Qurtubi then said, "As for that which is done in our day, by way of the (blameworthy) innovations (bidah) of the Sufi mystics in their addition to hearing songs to the accompaniment of melodious instruments such as flutes, string instruments such as flutes, string instruments etc such is haraam(forbidden)(119).

IMAAM SHAFI’EE

In the book, Aadaabul Qadaa, As-Shafiee is reported as saying, "Verily, song is loathsome (makrooh); it resembles the false and vain thing (al-baatil). The one who partakes of it frequently is an incompetent fool whose testimony is to be rejected."(121) His closest and most knowledgeable disciples clearly stipulate that his position on this issue is that of prohibition (tahreem)and they rebuke those who attribute its legality to him(122) This is confirmed by the later Shafiite scholar, Ibn Hajar Al-Haythami. He related that one of the Ash-Shaafiites disciples, Al-Haarith Al-Muhaasibi (d.243 H) said, "Song is haraam, just as the carcass (maytah)." (123). Further more, the statement that singing is haraam is found in the treatise, Ash-Sharh Al-Kabeer, by the authoritative Shaffiite Scholar, Ar-Raafiee(d.623 H).This is further corroborated by the accomplished Shaaffi’ite jurisprudent, Imam An-Nawawi(d.676 H)in his Rowdah)(124). Such is the correct view of the dependable scholars of the Shaffi’ite madhab. However, due to limited knowledge and personal fancy and desire, a few of their later day scholars disagree with this view.(125)

IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL

Imaam Ahmads (126) position regarding this issue has been narrated in detail by the Hanbalite jurisprudent and Quranic commentator, Abul Faraj Ibnul-Jowzi (d.597H.) in his treatise, Tablees Iblees(Sataan's deception).He tells us that ghinaa during Ahmads era consisted primarily of a rhymed, rythmical chanting (inshaad)of poems (127) whose puropse was to lead people to a pious, abstentious way of life.However, when such chanters began to vary their simple style to one of a throbbing, affected melody, the narrations regarding Ahmad began to differ.His own son and student , Abdullah, relates that his father said, "Singing (128) sprouts hypocricy in the heart;it doesnt please me."The scholar, Ismaeel bin Ishaaq ath Thaqafi, reports that Ahmad was questioned regarding ones listening to those poems (qasaaid) to whichhe replied, "I despise it, for it is a bidaah(innovation).Dont sit down to listen to its reciters.'Abul-Haarith relates that Ahmad said, "At-Taghyeer (129) is an innovation"whereupon it was said, "But it sensitizes and softens the heart".Ahmad rejoined, "It is a bidaah (blameworthy innovation)." Yaqoob Al-Haashimi narrates that Ahmad said, "At-taghyeer is a recent innovation" and Yaqoob bin Gayyath reports him a s saying that he despised at-taghyeer and prohibited ones listening to it.(130)

Ibnul-Jowzi then mentioned some narrations related by Abu Bakr Al-Khlallaal and Ahmads son Saalih, which indicate Ahmads not being averse to poetry sessions. It is related that Ahmad heard a singer(qawwal) and didn’t reproach him, whereupon Saalih said to him, "Oh father, didn’t you used to criticise and censure such a thing?" Ahmad replied, "That was because I was told that they were doing reproachable things, so I despised it; as for this, I do not dislike it" Ibnul-Jowzi commented at this point, "Some of the scholars of our (Hanbalite) school mention that Abu Bakr Al-Khallaal (d.311 H) and his disciple, Abdul-Azeez, permitted singing(ghinaa).Such a statement refers to the spiritual poems (qasaaid zuhduyyaat) which were prevalent during their time. This is precisely the type of singing which was not disliked by Ahmad(as previously mentioned)" (131).

Ahmad bin Hanbal attests to this in the instance where he was asked regarding a deceased person who left behind him a son and a professional singing) slave-girl(132). The son then needed to sell her.Ahmad said that she was not to be sold on the basis of her being a singer.Upon this it was said to him that, (as a singer), she was worth, 30000 dirhams, whereas if she were sold only on the basis of her being simply a slave-girl"Ibnul Jowzi explained, "The reason Ahmad said this is because the singing slave-girl doesnt sing spiritual poems(qasaaid zuhdiyaat);rather she sings throbbing lyrics which incite passion in ones being.This is proof that such singing is haraam, for if it were not so, the incurred loss of the orphans sons wealth would not be permissible(133). Furthermore, it is reported by the jurisprudent Al-Marwazi that Ahmad bin Hanbal said, "The earnings of the effeminate (mukhannath) singer are foul (khabeeth) because he doesn’t sing spiritual poems, but rather, he sings erotic poetry(al-ghazal)in a licentious , cooing manner."

Ibnul-Jowzi concluded that it is obvious from what has preceded that the variant narrations relating to Ahmads dislike of( karaahah)or permission for singing depended upon the type of singing that was meant. As for the type of singing which is popular today, (134)it would be forbidden according to Ahmads view. If only he could see what the people have added to it by way of innovation.(135)

In conclusion, the general consensus of the companions, Taabieen and the following generations of Islamic scholars up to the present day, including the four Imams , points to the ruling of prohibition of music and song (other than the exceptions to be mentioned later)

NOTES

(107) See pp.67-68 of Kaffur Raa;Al-Qurtubis tafseer, vol.19, p.51 and Shaykh Saalih Fowzaans Al-Ilaam bi Naqdi Kitaabil Hallaali wal Haraam, pp.72-74.

(108) The first of the four famous imaams.He was bron in koofa, Iraq in the 80th year of the Hijrah.He died in Baghdad in the year 150H see Adh-Dhahabis Seeyar Alaamin Nubalaa , vol.6, pp.390-403.

(109) Such as flutes, pipes, horns and related wind instruments.

(110) Small hand drums without steel jangles.This permitted type is to be used on certain restricted occassions as designated by the sunnah, the details of which will follow.

(111) Testimony given by witnesses concerning matters or crimes involving punishments is only accepted from trustworthy, obedient Muslims.

(112) In shariah, the mere suspicion of vice is not sufficient to warranat invasion of privacy by the authorities.Here, however, the violation is not confined to the privacy of the home and should be prevented, even forcibly, to avoid corruption of society.

(113) Quoted from "Ownul Mabood Sharhu Sunan Abi Dawood", vol.13, pp.273-274.

(114) Stated by Abut Teeb Taahir At-Tabari and quoted in Al-Qurtubis Al-Jaamili Ahkaamil Quraan, vol.14, p.55.

(115) He was born at Madeenah in the year 93 of the Hijrah and died there in 179H.For details of his life and times, see Qaadi Ayyads Tarteebul Madaarik, vol.1, pp.107-147.

(116) In the time of Prophet Muhammad (), the world economy was almost completely based upon the institution of slavery. Wisdom and foresight demanded a gradual elimination of this deeply rooted social system. The Islamic method was to limit the ways in which slaves could be taken to only one-jihaad(lawful warfare), while at the same time imposing conditions under which a slave must be freed and encouraging the freeing of believing slaves as an act of worship which brings one closer to Allah. Mistreatment of slaves was strictly prohibited and they were always entitled to respect as human beings. These guidelines protecting slaves are still applicable today.

(117) The previous sayings related to Maalik were quoted from Ibnul-Jowzis Talbees, p.29.

(118) Al-Jaamili Ahkaamil Quraan, vol.14, p.55

(119) Ibid, vol.14, p.54.

(120) He was born 150 H In Gazzah in Palestine. He died and was buried in Cairo, 204 H. Details of his life and works are chronicled in Al-Bayhaqis Manaaqibush Shaafiee.

(121) See Al-Qurtubis tafseer, vol.14, p.55 and Ibnul-Jowzis Talbees Iblees, p.231.Also refer to footnote no.111.

(122) See Ownul Mabood, vol.13, p.274.

(123) Designates the carcass of the animal which has not been slaughetered in a manner acceptable to the shariah, but has died in a manner rendering it unlawful for food, such as dying from a disease, accident, naturally or by being hit by a blow, etc. However, the skin of such an animal may be used after proper curing.

(124) Kaffur Raaa.p.61.

(125) Talbees iblees, pp.230-231.A sample of such scholars along with a refutation of their position will follow in the next section of this work.

(126) He was born in Baghdad, 164 H and died there in 241 H.See the excellent biography of his life

(127) In Arabic these are called qasaaiduz zuhd.

(128) "Singing" here means without musical accompaniment.

(129) Indicates a change in the state of mind or disposition of a person who appears "overcome" by the mention (dhikr) of God in supplication (duaa) performed in a humble, humiliating stance. Those who partake in this experience of being "overcome" are moved to extreme delight or grief by the manner in which such poetry is delivered.It is usually delivered in an affected, throbbing style which moves them to dance and gyrate to the beat and melody of such rythmic poems. Because of this "change' (taghyeer) which overcomes them, they were called al-mughayyarah. Refer to Talbees Iblees, p.330.

(130) Talbees Iblees, p.228.

(131) All of these scholars, including Ahmad, didn’t not mind a certain type of chanting, singing and recitation of poetry or stories, etc without musical accompaniment or other prohibited aspects.

(132) Refer to footnote no.116.

(133) The loss incurred by selling the slave girl not as singer but as an ordinary worker.

(134) This statement was made during the 6th century of the Islamic era. Therefore, what could be said of what we hear and see of music and singing today!

(135) Talbees Iblees, pp.228-229.

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The Mufti Makes The Creation More Knowledgeable Than The Creator
Some reliable students of knowledge had informed us that they had heard directly from a cassette the saying of Sheikh Al-Qaradawi that if Allaah had partaken in elections (i.e. became a candidate) he would not have won with such a victory that Netanyahu had won in Israel, since the latter took 99% of the votes.

The actual text of his words are as follows (in the second part of a Friday khutbah), "Before I leave this station of mine (i.e. from giving this khutbah) I love that I should say a word about the results of the Israeli elections. The Arabs, all of them, were placing their hopes in the victory of Barleen, however he lost and this is what we praise about Israel. We desire and hope that our country can be like this country. Due to only a small number of people, the one who was actually ruling lost his position. There was not 94% or 95% (of votes) which is what we are accustomed to in our country, but 99%, (yes) 99%. If Allaah had presented himself to the people as a candidate he would not have been able to take this amount… we welcome Israel for what it has accomplished…"

These words are clear and manifest misguidance. If he wished to make a Jew superior to Allaah, free is He from imperfection, the Most High, then he is a disbeliever (i.e. apostate). And if he intended that the Jews and Christians and the worshippers of the cow and chickens and others are very many in number yet they do not vote for Allaah, then this is another matter, however it is still clear misguidance (on al-Qaradawi’s behalf).

For verily our Lord, the Mighty and Majestic, is not in need of voting, for He, free is He of all imperfection is the one who says "Be" to something and it is. He is the one who destroyed Fir’aun, and He destroyed Qaarun, and He destroyed many nations, from amongst those who exceeded beyond bounds and who stood in the faces of the Prophets of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic. So he aided the Prophets and gave them victory, in this life and the next. Voting is only needed by a weak man, O Pauper!…. Have you disbelieved O Qaradawi or have you brought yourself nearer.

Stated Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen after these words were played to him, "I seek refuge in Allaah. It is obligatory for this person to repent. And if he does not he should be killed as an apostate, since he made the creation more knowledgeable than the Creator. It is upon him to repent to Allaah, so if he repents, then Allaah forgives the sins of His servants. And if not then the Wullaat ul-Amr should strike his neck (with the sword)." (Cassette Recording).

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The Mufti Only Affirms Defensive Jihaad
Stated the Mufti (may Allah guide him): "Some people say to us that you desire to have discussions with the Christians and others in order to arrive at what you call "World Peace"? So we reply to them "Yes, and why not!" They say because the basis and foundation concerning the relationship of the Muslims to those besides them is Jihad and it is not just peace. And this view actually exists, yet we do not subscribe to it." (al-Islaam wal-Gharb, p.16).

And he also says, "The issue of Jihaad in the path of Allaah for defending the land, the honours (of people) and the sanctities is a matter in which there is no further discussion. But as for defence for the sake of attacking the rest of the world, as some people imagine, is not a matter that is mentioned. And we actually base our position and build upon it based upon what the contemporary Scholars of the Muslims have held as their position, the likes of Shaikh Abu Zahrah, Shaikh Rasheed Ridaa, Shaikh Shaltut, Shaikh Abdullaah Daaraz and Shaikh al-Ghazaali. And all of those are of the view that Jihaad in Islaam is for the sake of defence of the religion and the state, the sanctities, the land and the honours of people…. And it is not for military expeditions as some of the people imagine…" (al-Islaam wal-Gharb, p.19)

And the Mufti also opined, "We do not fight the Jews for the sake of Aqidah, we fight them for the sake of the land. And we do not fight the Kuffar because they are Kuffar, but because they have occupied our lands and our homes and have taken them without any due right" (ar-Raayah magazine, no. 4696, 24th Sha’baan 1995).

And as for these statements then they are the resultant effects of the Qaradawite theorem of loyalty and disownment (al-walaa wal-baraa) – as the author of ‘Raf’ al-Lathaam’, Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Mansoor al-‘Adeeni has stated in his refutation of this Mufti.

Now, any Sunni knows that the purpose of Jihaad is to make the word of Allaah supreme, and that is none other than worshipping Him alone, and establishing and spreading Tawheed. So if the Qaradawite Think Tank and its theoreticians claim that this is not the motive and reason, and it is but land, then the land in the view of Qaradawite Thought, is more lofty and more noble and more worthy than the Islamic Aqidah.

Stated the Lord of Majesty and Honour, "Fight against those who believe not in Allâh, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (At-Tawbah 9:29)

And the Messenger () said, "I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allaah alone…" (Muslim)

As for Ahl ul-Hadeeth wal-Athar then they opine that Jihaad will continue until the establishment of the Hour, behind the leaders, sinful or pious. They also hold that defensive Jihaad is recurring and may be performed by small bands of individuals anytime, anywhere, in defence of those who are oppressed and wronged.

shamson

28-06-07, 01:38 PM

Qaradawi has said.

1) it is ok to celebrate the Prophet's birthday

2) During the 2002 elections in Bahrain, Qaradawi released a fatwa allowing women, especially those past their child-bearing years, as candidates in municipal elections. A Saudi scholar quickly responded that this was illegal under his interpretation of Islamic law.

3) Qaradawi urged the Taliban to reconsider its decision to tear down the Buddha statues in Afghanistan in 2001. He was quickly criticized for supporting "idol worship". Upon meeting with leaders from the Taliban, Qaradawi reversed his position and praised the act of the destruction of the statues.

4) Sheikh al-Albanee rahimullah disagreed with Qaradawi's stance that photography and pictures were lawful. Al-Albanee wrote the book "The Islamic Ruling on Tasweer (pictures)" with his arguments in a response to Qaradawi's ruling.

5) Qaradawi is of the opinion that music is lawful

6) That suicide bombing is just tactical warfare and permissible

sunny_skies

28-06-07, 02:20 PM

shamson

28-06-07, 04:38 PM

How can you ask me to respect a man that makes something that is haraam halal and vice versa and even makes a comment about the elections and Allah being a candidate etc.? I can respect him as my fellow human but that's it. He is trying to get islam to adapt to the people and not the other way around.

السَّابِقُونَ

28-06-07, 06:05 PM

the eyes are scary!!!

shamson

28-06-07, 08:34 PM

They really remind me of angelina jolie! Just different colours!

I think that was the concept they were after lolzzzzz

sunny_skies

29-06-07, 09:40 AM

They really remind me of angelina jolie! Just different colours!

I think that was the concept they were after lolzzzzz

So if you don't allow images of any sort into your house and you stick stuff over the eyes in your children's books then I take it you have no newspapers, books (even reference ones) educational material with images, or a television? Because if you feel that strongly about it then you should have none of the above.

Yet you say you have watched a Bratz cartoon yourself in the past, have kept a horse which you really liked which was given for your daughter and also refer to Angelina Jolie...hmmm.

sunny_skies

29-06-07, 09:47 AM

One of the biggest and evilest wreckers of this compassion, love and brotherhood is backbiting. The word in Arabic is Gheebah, coming from the root: Gha-Yaa-Baa, meaning that which is unseen. When a Muslim sees his brother or sister committing a sin, without advising them directly, they go to others - when they are unseen by the specified brother or sister - and speak ill of them in their absence.

Backbiting is Haram, it is one of the major sins and repentance must be sought for this sin. There is no other opinion in Islam.

Imam Al-Qurtubi said, “There is a consensus (Ijmaa’) that backbiting is a major sin and that it is Fard that a person do Towbah from it.”
Compiled by Muslim, Rasul Allah said to his companions, “Do you know what Gheebah is?” They said, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He said, “It is to mention something about your brother (in his absence) that he would hate.” It was said, 'What if what I say about my brother is true?’ He (sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) said: “If what you said about him is true then you would have backbitten him, and if it is not true, then you would have slandered him (buhtaan).” [Muslim]

Imam Malik said about the sacred city of Madinah, “I have met in this land people that had no faults. But they spent their time finding faults in others and (as time passed) they accumulated their own faults.
“And I have met in this land people who had faults. However, they kept silent when it came to the faults of others, and so (as time passed) their faults were forgotten!”
Listen! Allah is calling us: [O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: and spy not on each other, nor speak ill of each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah, for Allah is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful.] – Surah Al-Hujuraat, 12.

The thread you started on Shaikh Qaradawi falls under the sin of backbiting.

shamson

29-06-07, 01:19 PM

So if you don't allow images of any sort into your house and you stick stuff over the eyes in your children's books then I take it you have no newspapers, books (even reference ones) educational material with images, or a television? Because if you feel that strongly about it then you should have none of the above.

Yet you say you have watched a Bratz cartoon yourself in the past, have kept a horse which you really liked which was given for your daughter and also refer to Angelina Jolie...hmmm.

lolzzzz sister you make me laugh. I take it you would just like to argue and argue and clearly haven't read anything i wrote properly otherwise you would have answered your own questions.

I am not in my house 24/7 and have no access to the outside world! I saw the bratz cartoon at my in laws, I have educational material of which I cover the eyes on the front of the books. Newspapers etc. if I haven't finished with them I put them away in a cupboard and not here and there, and yes i have a TV ooohhhh scary isn't it. but it doesn't stay on 24/7 and therefore the images are not playing all night whilst we sleep.

TV doesn't come under the ruling of images in the house and anyway mashAllah tabarakaAllah the TV is on in my house at most for 2/3 hours out of 24 hours. I have 3 children 7,3 and 2 and mashAllah we have better things to do with our time then be glued in front of the TV.

When you first mentioned qaradawi i did not know very much of him so i asked someone (who is still very young) and forwarded her info onto the forum to see what people had to say about him was he wrong and then later corrected himself etc. but since then i found more info that was sufficient for me to decide for myself whether or not to take from this man.

Anyway this has been a long talked about subject that I for one, am done with.

shamson

29-06-07, 01:22 PM

The thread you started on Shaikh Qaradawi falls under the sin of backbiting.[/QUOTE]

The tread is still on the other page could you take out the exact points that you refer to about me backbiting? If qaradawi has said

it's ok to celebrate the prophet's PBUH birthday, to listen to music, to join the american army etc. is this me backbiting him?

sunny_skies

29-06-07, 09:13 PM

lolzzzz sister you make me laugh.

I'm glad you find it so amusing.

I take it you would just like to argue and argue and clearly haven't read anything i wrote properly otherwise you would have answered your own questions.

On the contrary sis, I have been reading everything you have posted. You may need to go over your own posts to see that in fact YOU have been arguing that your views alone are the correct ones. You show no value or respect for another opinion.

I saw the bratz cartoon at my in laws, I have educational material of which I cover the eyes on the front of the books. Newspapers etc. if I haven't finished with them I put them away in a cupboard and not here and there,

So why can't you put dolls with eyes in cupboards too??

and yes i have a TV ooohhhh scary isn't it.

Why would it be scary to me? In my opinion TV isn't Haram as long as viewed in the correct manner. My children don't watch more than half an hour of tv a day, some days it doesn't even get turned on. But then, I'm not the one banging on about all images being Haram, am I?

but it doesn't stay on 24/7 and therefore the images are not playing all night whilst we sleep.

Right, and the dolls aren't left out all night long either.

TV doesn't come under the ruling of images in the house

Hmm, a lot of people would disagree with you there. Some shuyookh have said tv is Haram, but I think you choose to allow some images into your home and not others, is that correct? I only state what I have observed above. All I am saying is you cannot be judging others and criticising others for having a different view to your own when you are contradicting yourself by engaging in other acts which some others may consider Haram. Do you understand what I mean? You have a different view on tv, and that is your right. So you should also respect other's views just because they choose to allow their children dolls, toys and books with images in them.

and anyway mashAllah tabarakaAllah the TV is on in my house at most for 2/3 hours out of 24 hours. I have 3 children 7,3 and 2 and mashAllah we have better things to do with our time then be glued in front of the TV.\

yes, masha Allah tabarakallah to you

When you first mentioned qaradawi i did not know very much of him so i asked someone (who is still very young) and forwarded her info onto the forum to see what people had to say about him was he wrong and then later corrected himself etc. but since then i found more info that was sufficient for me to decide for myself whether or not to take from this man.

Yes, the same goes for any shaikh. We read things about some shaikhs which are sufficient for us to decide ourselves whether or not to take from these shuyookh. It is upto each of us to work hard at looking into our Deen in great detail. You may be surprised, but we all do.

Allah knows best. May He guide us all. Ameen.

nadous

30-06-07, 08:10 AM

My daughters (3 of them) love Bratz and their cartoon... I never had problem whit the dress or their attitude... And I think it is the parents who as to becareful of it... If the parents allow them to be dress like this because popular dolls are like this they are making a mistake...

My kids knows they are not allowed to wear this kind of cloths and Islam forbid women to dress like this for reason of respect of our body... They don,t ask for it either...

It is all under the parents control... It is not because something like this is allowed in freedom country they girl as to follow it...

Sultan

01-07-07, 05:59 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing my daughter with a Bratz doll, coz I know she will rip its head off!

But seriously, is it a coincidence that ever since the Bratz dolls came out, you see lots of little girls (who look no older than 10) in town dressed like tramps, wearing make-up?

sunny_skies

01-07-07, 06:10 AM

Yes, sadly the children's clothing industry seems to be churning out what these Bratz dolls are wearing for young children, they think these clothes are actually acceptable!!?
Then they wonder why there is the growing problem of paedophiles.

shamson

01-07-07, 01:10 PM

I wonder if anyone remembers 2 cases in the UK where on two different occasions two boys under the age of 13 or something raped two very young girls Astagfirulla. I think as well as our daughters we need to be careful about who our sons mix with, what they watch etc.

It was really awful about one of the girls as she was the same age as my older daughter and I just felt sick in the pit of my stomach and imagined what that little girl must be going through and how her parents must feel. It made my husband so angry he had problems speaking about it!

A lot of the kuffar schools in east london (don't know about the wider country) are just too lax subhanAllah the limits of what is acceptable and what is not is just widening. I know teachers who work in local schools and they just tell me horror stories about the disgusting manner of the children and even the parents subhanAllah. It only takes two or three loud mouths to disrupt and mess up the rest of the class.....

I am hoping inshAllah to move to yemen in december for a few years coz eveything in this country is just getting too scary for me. My daughter mashAllah goes to an islamic school but we don't think we will be able to manage to send the others here (tooooo expensive) mashAllah the private schools in yemen are very reasonable and inshAllah our children do not have to be exposed to the everyday rubbish that is outside my doorstep.

TinyTerror

01-07-07, 01:53 PM

:D :up:

shamson

01-07-07, 02:05 PM

mashAllah that is VERY similiar to what I had for my daughters!

Alhumdolilla it does the job. They get to change nappies, cuddle, feed, put to bed etc.

shamson

01-07-07, 02:11 PM

I'm glad you find it so amusing.

On the contrary sis, I have been reading everything you have posted. You may need to go over your own posts to see that in fact YOU have been arguing that your views alone are the correct ones. You show no value or respect for another opinion.

So why can't you put dolls with eyes in cupboards too??

Why would it be scary to me? In my opinion TV isn't Haram as long as viewed in the correct manner. My children don't watch more than half an hour of tv a day, some days it doesn't even get turned on. But then, I'm not the one banging on about all images being Haram, am I?

Right, and the dolls aren't left out all night long either.

Hmm, a lot of people would disagree with you there. Some shuyookh have said tv is Haram, but I think you choose to allow some images into your home and not others, is that correct? I only state what I have observed above. All I am saying is you cannot be judging others and criticising others for having a different view to your own when you are contradicting yourself by engaging in other acts which some others may consider Haram. Do you understand what I mean? You have a different view on tv, and that is your right. So you should also respect other's views just because they choose to allow their children dolls, toys and books with images in them.

yes, masha Allah tabarakallah to you

Yes, the same goes for any shaikh. We read things about some shaikhs which are sufficient for us to decide ourselves whether or not to take from these shuyookh. It is upto each of us to work hard at looking into our Deen in great detail. You may be surprised, but we all do.

Allah knows best. May He guide us all. Ameen.

Ameen. You know what sister i think if just you and me alone stick to this discussion this tread will never end lolzzzzz

Yes it is clear that you have your ways and I have mine and I have to go hunting down the book/articles etc. that i have read to bring and make my point (very tiring subhanAllah) i think in this case it is better to agree to disagree:D .

I hope inshAllah that you can forgive me for anything I may have said to annoy you and that we meet again in another tread where inshAllah we agree:inlove:

TinyTerror

01-07-07, 02:17 PM

mashAllah that is VERY similiar to what I had for my daughters!

Alhumdolilla it does the job. They get to change nappies, cuddle, feed, put to bed etc.

so cute too!

I want one! :D

If anyones interested they're Amish dolls...the amish lol gotta respect em! :D

About the whole face/eyes debate thing. I personally don't feel comfortable and i always think why take the risk as it is at best doubtful. True Ayesha Ra Dolls weren't described in the hadith however at the same time there are numerous hadith forbidding trying to imitate the creation of Allah etc. Islam is a science best left to the learned. Thus one hadith never testifies for a ruling. The scholars will(should!) study the Qur'an and all related hadiths before making a judgement.

This world is a fleeting journey why burden oneself with unneccessary and potentiall harmful baggage.

On the authority of Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Ali bin Abi Taib, the grandson of the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu ëalayhi wasallam, and who is dearest to him, radiyallahu ëanhuma, who said: ìI committed to memory from the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu ëalayhi wasallam, (the following words):
ìLeave that about which you are in doubt for that about which you are in no doubt.î
[Al-Tirmidhi and al-Nasaíi related it, and al-Tirmidhi said: It is a good and genuine Hadith

Forgive me if i've offended anyone and on a lighter note. Assalamualaikum ya muslimeen!! We have been truly blessed. :D

dhakiyya

01-07-07, 03:49 PM

I wonder if anyone remembers 2 cases in the UK where on two different occasions two boys under the age of 13 or something raped two very young girls Astagfirulla. I think as well as our daughters we need to be careful about who our sons mix with, what they watch etc.

Totally agree. Parents often focus on the possible corrupting influences on their daughers and forget about their sons. If you go back to post #50, Abdul Hakeem has linked to another thread about this, and if you scroll down that thread there is a very disturbing article about the effect of the objectifying of women and girls on boys and young men, and how magazines aimed at teenage boys and young men are trivialising matters such as prostitution and sexual violence in addition to constantly treating women and girls as sex objects. The same article says that the number of young men in the west using prostitutes has gone up to one in ten(!!!) and that increasing numbers of teenage boys think abuse of women is acceptable.

dhakiyya

01-07-07, 03:57 PM

Ameen. You know what sister i think if just you and me alone stick to this discussion this tread will never end lolzzzzz

Yes it is clear that you have your ways and I have mine and I have to go hunting down the book/articles etc. that i have read to bring and make my point (very tiring subhanAllah) i think in this case it is better to agree to disagree:D .

I hope inshAllah that you can forgive me for anything I may have said to annoy you and that we meet again in another tread where inshAllah we agree:inlove:

MashaAllah - I'm glad you've agreed to disagree :hidban: its not like anyone is saying lets rush out and buy our daughters totally realistic looking dolls, its just a question that you can't make haram what Allah has made halal, and without hard evidence scholars say "best avoided" and not "haram".

I think every parent should consider very carefully what dolls they let their daughters play with, for all kinds of reasons. All the eating disorders charities link barbie's unnaturally thin waist with eating disorders in young women (amongst many other examples of bombarding girls with images of ultra thin glamour models/dolls/cartoon characters etc.) In addition to encouraging little girls to dress like little prostitutes, I wonder what effect the bratz dolls has on the incidence of eating disorders - which are occurring in younger and younger girls. I saw a documentary with girls as young as nine having to be insitutionalised with eating disorders. Barbie is an unnatural shape, exaggerating her bust and making her waist and legs unnaturally thin - the bratz dolls are even more exaggerated in this way.

shamson

01-07-07, 04:12 PM

I saw in a magazine once about beauty parlours specifically for young girls in america (i think) and girls as young as 3 were getting manicures,pedicures, body waxes etc. and one of these girls said something along the lines of not being accepted by her friends if she didn't look 'fashionable'.

What was funny was these girls who were getting mani/pedicures didn't even have nails long enough to put nail polish on!!! lolzzzz

And yes you are right we need to focus on what peer pressure boys face as well. my son is only 18 months so i haven't really thought about it, although my 10 yr old nephew behaves like a complete idiot using slang words and saying he wants to 'beef' (fight) his 4 yr old sister! fighting his parents coz his friends have mp3 players (with trashy music), mobile phones etc. and he wants one coz he feels left out subhanAllah. My sister is very traditional and is finding it really hard to deal with him.

sunny_skies

01-07-07, 06:02 PM

Ameen. You know what sister i think if just you and me alone stick to this discussion this tread will never end lolzzzz