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ukhti_1
17-06-07, 08:30 AM
i'll rephrase my other question! will any of the anti polygamy sisters marry their sons or brothers to a revert callgirl?? and make her their only daughter in law or sister in law?
aisha2007
17-06-07, 09:27 AM
i'll rephrase my other question! will any of the anti polygamy sisters marry their sons or brothers to a revert callgirl?? and make her their only daughter in law or sister in law?
Asalaam Alaikum
If she was a prostitute before she reverted and stopped on revertion then remember her sins are forgiven. She is as clean as a new born babe.
If she reverts and continues her 'profession' then she, to me, is not a muslim.
What it means callgirl ?
Something really bad ... (aka Prostitution, the worst type of Adultery)
Nauzubillah!
Astagfirullah-Inalla-ha-Ghafurur-Rahim!
ukhti_1
17-06-07, 11:30 AM
Asalaam Alaikum
If she was a prostitute before she reverted and stopped on revertion then remember her sins are forgiven. She is as clean as a new born babe.
If she reverts and continues her 'profession' then she, to me, is not a muslim.
in the eyes of Allah yes, but my question still remains
in the eyes of Allah yes, but my question still remains
No it does Not it has been answered, so long as you know to the Best of your Ability that the Girl has Stopped her 'Callgirl' or any other related activities after her Reversion, you have no right to hold it against her.
She is permissible for marriage.
:jkk:
aisha2007
17-06-07, 11:57 AM
in the eyes of Allah yes, but my question still remains
In the eyes of Allah? Ofcourse in the eyes of Allah....that is what counts. It is not for us to judge.
As I said if it waas something done before revertion and she was true about her faith then yes...I would allow her to marry my brother.
If she was doing it since revertion then no....because she hasn't really reverted has she?
aisha2007
17-06-07, 11:58 AM
No it does Not it has been answered, so long as you know to the Best of your Ability that the Girl has Stopped her 'Callgirl' or any other related activities after her Reversion, you have no right to hold it against her.
She is permissible for marriage.
:jkk:
I agree
ukhti_1
17-06-07, 12:15 PM
No it does Not it has been answered, so long as you know to the Best of your Ability that the Girl has Stopped her 'Callgirl' or any other related activities after her Reversion, you have no right to hold it against her.
She is permissible for marriage.
:jkk:
not asking whether permissible or not.. i'm asking all the anti polygamy sisters out there will they let her brothers and sons make such a revert girl their first and only wife?
aisha2007
17-06-07, 12:22 PM
not asking whether permissible or not.. i'm asking all the anti polygamy sisters out there will they let her brothers and sons make such a revert girl their first and only wife?
what is your issue with sisters who are anti-polygamy? and why just them?
this is an issue for all sisters to answer.
there is no such thing as 'such a revert'
alhamdulillah a revert is a revert
.: Anna :.
17-06-07, 12:44 PM
actually parents dont have a right to tell the son dont marry someone, if she is a good muslim and everything because he wont need a wali for the marriage anyway. i like to think i would not treat my son like a kid wen he is at marriage age, ie making all decisions on his behalf, not allowing him to make choices himself. I don't like that from men wen they are an adult but acting like a baby..
but anyway, if this girl who he wanted to marry happened to be an ex call girl i dnt think i should know about it? sins should be kept secret and not broadcasted. she should keep her past private. if she tells the prospective husband that is one thing, but inlaws have no need at all to know this and i would not want to know it.
not asking whether permissible or not.. i'm asking all the anti polygamy sisters out there will they let her brothers and sons make such a revert girl their first and only wife?
sis if it was my brother and he asked for my advise then i would say yes marry her- and then id admonish him for exposing her previous sins :torture:
when you convert to islam your sins are your past and they stay their.
and as for the term 'anti polygamy sisters' i really dont see where your coming from with that one :scratch:
anti polygamy is anti sunnah :rubeyes:
aisha2007
17-06-07, 01:13 PM
sis if it was my brother and he asked for my advise then i would say yes marry her- and then id admonish him for exposing her previous sins :torture:
when you convert to islam your sins are your past and they stay their.
and as for the term 'anti polygamy sisters' i really dont see where your coming from with that one :scratch:
anti polygamy is anti sunnah :rubeyes:
:up:
sis if it was my brother and he asked for my advise then i would say yes marry her- and then id admonish him for exposing her previous sins :torture:
when you convert to islam your sins are your past and they stay their.
and as for the term 'anti polygamy sisters' i really dont see where your coming from with that one :scratch:
anti polygamy is anti sunnah :rubeyes:
Aloo ghoobi (:there:) is talking sense for once! :up:
Tax-Man
17-06-07, 01:36 PM
Sis no offense but you really shouldn't expose your sins, I also believe you'd get better response from potential spouses if you don't mention your past, what happaned,happaned it's no one's buisness, inshallah you'll find a good hubby :)
heaven2002
17-06-07, 01:41 PM
i'll rephrase my other question! will any of the anti polygamy sisters marry their sons or brothers to a revert callgirl?? and make her their only daughter in law or sister in law?
if i had a son id probably prefer that he marry someone that had not been a call girl rather than someone who had
but thats my preference
ukhti_1
17-06-07, 04:34 PM
Sis no offense but you really shouldn't expose your sins, I also believe you'd get better response from potential spouses if you don't mention your past, what happaned,happaned it's no one's buisness, inshallah you'll find a good hubby :)
what if the sis if a popular callgirl?
not asking whether permissible or not.. i'm asking all the anti polygamy sisters out there will they let her brothers and sons make such a revert girl their first and only wife?
Sis what Difference does it make what they think? :eek3:
Truth is not subject to a Persons whims and desires.
What is Halal is Halal, end of story.
secondly It is Extremely Rare, in fact probably unheard of for a 'Call girl' to have reverted to Islam, as a Muslim ...
I have Never heard of a Single person who has... nor do I know anyone who has Heard of such a thing ... this is the First time ever such a Question has been brought up ...
so this is Not even an Issue for Marriage...
:jkk:
what if the sis if a popular callgirl?
How many Popular 'callgirls' reverts do you know of?
If there is a Popular 'Callgirl' who Reverted to Islam, people can still refuse her....
Just as People refuse those who are Not ...
Where do these questions come from? :scratch:
:jkk:
aisha2007
17-06-07, 04:44 PM
what if the sis if a popular callgirl?
well i guess that kind of sums up this thread.
RashidD
17-06-07, 05:00 PM
Is a callgirl or was a callgirl...?
sis if it was my brother and he asked for my advise then i would say yes marry her- and then id admonish him for exposing her previous sins :torture:
when you convert to islam your sins are your past and they stay their.
and as for the term 'anti polygamy sisters' i really dont see where your coming from with that one :scratch:
anti polygamy is anti sunnah :rubeyes:
jazakiAllahu khairin
i'll rephrase my other question! will any of the anti polygamy sisters marry their sons or brothers to a revert callgirl?? and make her their only daughter in law or sister in law?
not asking whether permissible or not.. i'm asking all the anti polygamy sisters out there will they let her brothers and sons make such a revert girl their first and only wife? ultimately ukhti, it doesnt matter what she was in the past, she is a muslim now, so khalass to even ask this question is just strange sis because subhanAllah u cannot look at a revert as " an ex kaffir " a revert is equal to those who were born to a muslim familiy, indeed the revert from the people of the book has a greater reward than those who are born muslim, so what she used to be a call girl , doesnt mean a thing, because she is a muslim now.
`umar ibn Al khattab came to kill the prophet Muhammad salAllahu alleyhi wa salam,before he reverted to Al Islam, but would u dare ask the question " would u let your daughter marry a revert man who used to have murderous intentions" in front of `umar ... i think not, same applies here ukhti. What is done before Islam means nothing at all, the person is sin free, free of their sins free of the past and free of what they used to be.
As for the second part of the question " would u let "such a revert girl" ( when there is nothing wrong with "such a revert girl" she is as good as any other born muslim ) as their first and only wife"
well what does that mean, that somehow he needs a "better one" to compensate for her being " an ex call girl" ? ajeeb, because in Islam every wife is as precious as the first they are all equal before their husbands in the way he spends on them, in nessecity and in kindness, and he is treating them all exactly the same so what does it matter if she is his first and only wife, or his 2nd 3rd or 4th wife ?
its irellevant what number wife u are, being first or second, or having one wife who has a p.h.d and is very wealthy, and another wife who is illiterate and poor just makes no difference at all, because every single person on this planet has their own individual qualities and personalities masha Allah and thats why their husbands love them, based on their own merits, no matter "what number" wife they are, numbers dont have any significance in marriage, apart from limiting the amount of women a man can marry :)
.: Anna :.
17-06-07, 09:31 PM
what do u mean popular call girl? as in everyone in the area knows she is was that??
just my opinion but if that was her past and she becomes muslim, she should move to a new area where ppl dont know her past so she can have some honour?
heaven2002
17-06-07, 09:35 PM
is this a real situation or hypothetical:rubeyes:
$HugoBoss$
17-06-07, 09:45 PM
Yuck never never never never :torture: :torture: :torture:
I would marry her to my son if he himself wants to marry her, after getting her tested for STDs of course.
Whether she was a popular callgirl or not is irrelevant because whatever she did in her past, is in her past. She did whatever she did in ignorance of Islam.
$HugoBoss$
17-06-07, 09:55 PM
I would marry her to my son if he himself wants to marry her, after getting her tested for STDs of course.
Whether she was a popular callgirl or not is irrelevant because whatever she did in her past, is in her past. She did whatever she did in ignorance of Islam.
Sure sure it's very easy to talk and make yourself look like you have a big heart. This is reality and what pious brother would want to marry a girl that god knows did what with countless men, dirty dirty. I couldn't care less if she's a revert, thats a disgusting past.
what if the sis if a popular callgirl?
then a niqaab would be a good idea inshallah or if she had the financial means MOVE
:)
Sure sure it's very easy to talk and make yourself look like you have a big heart. This is reality and what pious brother would want to marry a girl that god knows did what with countless men, dirty dirty. I couldn't care less if she's a revert, thats a disgusting past.
your in no position of wisdom to call it a disgusting past if the hukm of the prophet saw said that a person converting to the deen has his sins cleansed as if they were a new born child.
there is no room for opinion in the matter bro, please be a little more senstive to the problems converts have in coming to the deen. they need support and reassurances not condemnation or fear of being ostracised. :jkk:
and really it doesnt come down to haveing a big heart...it comes down to sunnah before your nafs. and as with anything when you need guidance, seek mashwarah and do your istikharah.
$HugoBoss$
17-06-07, 10:10 PM
your in no position of wisdom to call it a disgusting past if the hukm of the prophet saw said that a person converting to the deen has his sins cleansed as if they were a new born child.
there is no room for opinion in the matter bro, please be a little more senstive to the problems converts have in coming to the deen. they need support and reassurances not condemnation or fear of being ostracised. :jkk:
and really it doesnt come down to haveing a big heart...it comes down to sunnah before your nafs. and as with anything when you need guidance, seek mashwarah and do your istikharah.
Doesn't matter, nobody would accept it. I know what your trying to say and your right but i doubht anybody would accept. It would be such a shamefull thing even mentioning it to your parents that "i want to marry a girl that was a call girl" sorry if your desi your gonna get kicked out of your house and if your arab you'll get shot.
Sure sure it's very easy to talk and make yourself look like you have a big heart. This is reality and what pious brother would want to marry a girl that god knows did what with countless men, dirty dirty. I couldn't care less if she's a revert, thats a disgusting past.
before Allah ta ala a revert is sin free!!! so who is anyone else to stand as judge based on a reverts past when Allah ta ala has forgiven all the reverts sins when they embrace Islam!
honestly bro this is what is so very wrong with the ummah today we have one little section set aside by many born muslims just for the reverts, u know how it goes " oh very nice they are reverts masha Allah " but no :nono: we dont marry people like that , not in our family we only marry "real" muslims, ones who are so pure and pious from birth " :rolleyes:
I have experienced this so many times, and its realy not on, because all the sahabba were reverts to Al Islam subhanAllah, and yet reverts today are often not seen as "real muslims" as if the born muslims are so pure and pious just because they were born to muslim families, which is only their test from Allah ta ala ... Allah has forgiven the reverts past and so should we. khalass these type of questions are real fitnah to be honest, because posing such questions poisons the minds of many
$HugoBoss$
17-06-07, 10:12 PM
Get This In Your Head People, Your Parents Will Disown You If You Even Think About Telling Them "i Want To Marry A Girl That Was A Call Girl"
Doesn't matter, nobody would accept it. I know what your trying to say and your right but i doubht anybody would accept. It would be such a shamefull thing even mentioning it to your parents that "i want to marry a girl that was a call girl" sorry if your desi your gonna get kicked out of your house and if your arab you'll get shot.
why would any muslim be speaking about someone past, if they are muslim then they have no right to ever mention a reverts past or ask them about it. no right at all. if the parents were true muslims then they wouldnt even care what the person used to be, nor would they kick their son out of the house for marrying a revert, a muslim is one who hears and obeys one who submits to Allah ta ala, and Allah ta ala has ordered us not to speak ill of each other..so even the parents do not loose their responsability just because they are parents doesnt let them off being good muslims and adhering to their deen...
Get This In Your Head People, Your Parents Will Disown You If You Even Think About Telling Them "i Want To Marry A Girl That Was A Call Girl"
get this hadith into your head akhi insha Allah :)
Abu Hurayrah narrated the messenger of Allah salallahu alleyhi wa salam said
"do not envy one another, do not turn away from one another and do not offer a lower price against one another so that you can sell your goods instead of the other, but be bondsmen of Allah and brethren. A Muslim is the brother of another Muslim, he should not opress him, nor lie to him, nor should he despise him, righteousness is here (he pointed to his heart three times) despising a Muslim is extremely evil. Everything that belongs to a Muslim, either his blood, property or fame, is forbidden to any other Muslim."
Sahih Muslim
Get This In Your Head People, Your Parents Will Disown You If You Even Think About Telling Them "i Want To Marry A Girl That Was A Call Girl"
whose going to tell them? no one shoudl no, you shoudl not expose your previosu sins :smack: and if you know, your in no position to disclose that sin to them, none of yer business what sister x did in her past if shes now accepted islam :up:
o raat baa, bedtime :zzz:
$HugoBoss$
17-06-07, 10:19 PM
why would any muslim be speaking about someone past, if they are muslim then they have no right to ever mention a reverts past or ask them about it. no right at all. if the parents were true muslims then they wouldnt even care what the person used to be, a muslim is one who hears and obeys one who submits to Allah ta ala, and Allah ta ala has ordered us not to speak ill of each other..
Well who would want to mention such a dirty past anyways???? Anybody would lie and tell their future husband or in laws a different story.
How do you know that true muslim parents don't care about someone's past, how do you think parents make decisions.
Sure sure it's very easy to talk and make yourself look like you have a big heart. This is reality and what pious brother would want to marry a girl that god knows did what with countless men, dirty dirty. I couldn't care less if she's a revert, thats a disgusting past.
What if the girl is really pious now? Would you hold her past against her?
heaven2002
18-06-07, 05:23 PM
i kind of understand what hugo boss is saying
- like if i had a daughter and she came to me and said im going to marry a revert but in his past life he was a pimp
then i would have serious misgivings , but i wudnt disown her
but just wud find it very hard to give my blessings
i kind of understand what hugo boss is saying
- like if i had a daughter and she came to me and said im going to marry a revert but in his past life he was a pimp
then i would have serious misgivings , but i wudnt disown her
but just wud find it very hard to give my blessings
I kinda of understand where he is coming from too but I disagree with the standpoint. I would not want my son to marry a Muslim girl, who was raised as Muslim but worked as a call girl even once in her life . But I would not have any reservations about a call girl who reverted and changed her ways marrying my son.
Sis, Malcolm X was a pimp before he entered Islam. A person's past is his past when he/she becomes a Muslim.
Cristiana
18-06-07, 06:48 PM
i'll rephrase my other question! will any of the anti polygamy sisters marry their sons or brothers to a revert callgirl?? and make her their only daughter in law or sister in law?
I'm not anti-polygamy, but yes, if she's muslim the 2 are ok with marrying each other, why not?
Cristiana
18-06-07, 06:52 PM
what is your issue with sisters who are anti-polygamy? and why just them?
this is an issue for all sisters to answer.
there is no such thing as 'such a revert'
alhamdulillah a revert is a revert
And also, what's the deal with "anti-polygamy"???
No muslim can be "anti-polygamy" because polygamy is halal, just some of us fear they wouldn't be happy/be able to cope in a poligamous marriage (and there's nothing wrong with that, I believe).
afsalim
19-06-07, 10:12 AM
Something really bad ... (aka Prostitution, the worst type of Adultery)
Nauzubillah!
Astagfirullah-Inalla-ha-Ghafurur-Rahim!
Sister. I'd say 'Fornication'. Not Adultery. Fornication is consensual sexual relationship between unmarried couples. Adultery occurs when one is married. In Islam, fornication is punishable by 100 lashes only. Whereas, Adultery is punishable by death, since one cheats his/her own spouse, own marriage, own deen and own God.
afsalim
19-06-07, 10:15 AM
And also, what's the deal with "anti-polygamy"???
No muslim can be "anti-polygamy" because polygamy is halal, just some of us fear they wouldn't be happy/be able to cope in a poligamous marriage (and there's nothing wrong with that, I believe).
I agree with you in some points. No Muslim can be Anti-Polygamy. But one can be monogamous. Just because you feel uncomfortable with an aspect of Islam doesn't mean you can oppose it.
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