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bintadam
15-06-07, 03:27 PM
Just wondering...
Say if a Brother who has an older son/daughter (say about 16 years old) marries a Sister who has an older child (who is around the same age) of the opposite gender, do they become mahram to eachother because their parents are married?

heaven2002
15-06-07, 03:28 PM
you mean step children?

Amethyst
15-06-07, 03:29 PM
Maybe someone could post something from a scholar, because peoples opinions dont really count for anything without the proper evidence :)

bintadam
15-06-07, 03:31 PM
you mean step children?

ye, would the step son and step daughter be mahram 2 eachother

Medievalist
15-06-07, 03:32 PM
If Zayd has a kid from a previous marriage. And Hafsah has a kid from a previous marriage. Then Zayd and Hafsah get married. Their kids from previous people are not mahram to each other.

Eemaan
15-06-07, 03:35 PM
If Zayd has a kid from a previous marriage. And Hafsah has a kid from a previous marriage. Then Zayd and Hafsah get married. Their kids from previous people are not mahram to each other.

May Allah bless Zayd and Hafsah :love:

How many kids they got now bro?

Medievalist
15-06-07, 03:35 PM
May Allah bless Zayd and Hafsah :love:

How many kids they got now bro?

funnay . . . not.

Grow up Heman.

Eemaan
15-06-07, 03:37 PM
:crying2:

:zzz:

heaven2002
15-06-07, 03:38 PM
May Allah bless Zayd and Hafsah :love:

How many kids they got now bro?

lots and lots
they lost count ages ago

bintadam
15-06-07, 03:48 PM
Maybe someone could post something from a scholar, because peoples opinions dont really count for anything without the proper evidence :)

yea could someone please post a sahih hadeeth or something from the Qur'an or Sunnah to back this up please

JazakAllah

Amethyst
15-06-07, 03:57 PM
you could check this, it says they are not mahram.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=33711&ln=eng&txt=mahrams%20step

bintadam
15-06-07, 04:05 PM
JazakAllah Amethyst...that was very helpful:D

Reptile
15-06-07, 07:22 PM
so how would they live together :scratch:

Unique Muslimah
15-06-07, 07:38 PM
If Zayd has a kid from a previous marriage. And Hafsah has a kid from a previous marriage. Then Zayd and Hafsah get married. Their kids from previous people are not mahram to each other.

Interesting choice of names:outta:

Fais
15-06-07, 07:41 PM
edit: ... Sorry My Bad ... I Read It Wrong Lol!!! :o

Fais
15-06-07, 07:47 PM
funnay . . . not.

Grow up Heman.

:rotfl: ... :rofl1:

Eemaan
15-06-07, 07:49 PM
:rotfl: ... :rofl1:

thanks blud :(

Fais
15-06-07, 07:51 PM
thanks blud :(

tis a sad on ummah when anyone finds mad med funna

Im sure he was just messing around :F ..

Cheer up .. :D

Amethyst
15-06-07, 07:52 PM
poor Eemaan :(

Eemaan
15-06-07, 07:55 PM
oh shurrup you lot :eek3:

im from up norf, centre of hardness and made of some raat tough stuff. bring it on

stop spamming...:mad:

Fais
15-06-07, 07:55 PM
oh shurrup you lot :eek3:

im from up norf, centre of hardness and made of some raat tough stuff. bring it on

... Dont make me make you cry again ... :D ...

Amethyst
15-06-07, 07:56 PM
oh shurrup you lot :eek3:

im from up norf, centre of hardness and made of some raat tough stuff. bring it on

stop spamming...:mad:

:( i was on your side, Med wasnt being nice to you :torture:

mizfissy815
15-06-07, 10:05 PM
No. I pretty sure your step-brother/step-sister is not considered your mahram.

cheeky
15-06-07, 10:13 PM
is it..hmm I was under the impression that they couldnt marry as loing as the parents were still together. Hm, then if thats the case..and the parents married, and had a kid together...then the 2 kids from the previous marriages got married....the new kid would be like 'my big bro married my big sis!' lol :o

.: Rashid :.
16-06-07, 12:15 AM
is it..hmm I was under the impression that they couldnt marry as loing as the parents were still together. Hm, then if thats the case..and the parents married, and had a kid together...then the 2 kids from the previous marriages got married....the new kid would be like 'my big bro married my big sis!' lol :o

loool...wow...thats true :rubeyes:

-Rashid

far-hana
16-06-07, 04:27 AM
yes they are mahram...now they're like siblings..


Prohibited Marriage Partners

Under the Shari'ah, marriages between men and women standing in a certain relationship to one another are prohibited. These prohibited degrees are either of a permanent nature or a temporary. The permanently prohibited degrees of marriage are laid down in the Holy Qur'an :

And marry not those women whom your fathers married, except what has already happened (of that nature) in the past. Lo! it was ever lewdness and abomination, and an evil way. Forbidden unto you are your mothers and your daughters, and your sisters and your father's sisters and your mother's sisters, and your brother's daughters and your sister's daughters, and your foster-mothers and your foster-sisters, and your mothers-in-law and your step-daughters who are under your mother-in-law and your step-daughters who are under your protection (born) of your women unto whom you have gone into -- but if you have not gone into them, then it is no sin for you (to marry their daughters) -- and the wives of your sons from your own loins, and that you should have two sisters together, except what has already happened (of that nature) in the past. Allah is ever-Forgiving, Merciful. (4:22 - 24)

From the above verses, it is clear that a Muslim must never marry the following:


His mother
His step-mother (this practice continues in Yoruba land in Nigeria, where in some cases the eldest son inherits the youngest wife of his father)
His grandmother (including father's and mother's mothers and all preceding mothers e.g. great grandmothers )
His daughter (including granddaughters and beyond )
His sister (whether full, consanguine or uterine)
His father's sisters (including paternal grandfather's sisters)
His mother's sisters (including maternal grandmother's sisters)
His brother's daughters
His foster mother
His foster mother's sister
His sister's daughter
His foster sister
His wife's mother
His step-daughter (i.e. a daughter by a former husband of a woman he has married if the marriage has been consummated. However, if such a marriage was not consummated, there is no prohibition)
His real son's wife

afsalim
16-06-07, 09:27 AM
YES!!

Step Brothers & Sisters are Mahram to each other.

`asiya
16-06-07, 10:45 AM
The ayat of the Quran says u cannot marry your sister, and when a man marries a woman and consumates the marriage, then that womans daughter is not related to that mans son,she has to observe hijab in front of the son in the house when the son reaches the age of "understanding." A man is only forbidden in marriage to the daughter of the woman he married, and consumated the marriage with, and that prohibition lasts for life. The son does not become a mahram to the womans daughter.


Son marrying his father’s stepdaughter

Question:
Is it haram to marry my step-sister who was raised by my biological father and step-mother i feel kind of odd in this situation,considering my father and stepmom already have a child ,would this confuse the lineage if her and i were to get married and have a child too? and Sheik do we find this practice in the way of our Salaf ul sali?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

The daughter of your father’s wife is known as your father’s stepdaughter, and she is a mahram for your father only, if he has consummated the marriage with her mother, whether he brought her up himself or she is an adult and he did not bring her up. This is the view of the majority of the earlier and later scholars, and is the view of the four imams. When mentioning the women who are mahrams for men, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters, your foster mothers who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives’ mothers, your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), — the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

But with regard to you, this stepdaughter is not a mahram for the son of her mother’s husband, so it is permissible for you to marry her, and there is no problem in that.

The Standing Committee was asked about marrying the daughter of the father’s wife. They replied:

It is permissible for the son of the man mentioned to marry the daughter of the woman mentioned, even if his father is married to her mother. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“All others are lawful”

[al-Nisa’ 4:24]

The girl mentioned is not one of the mahrams listed in this verse, or in the Sunnah.

Al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah li’l-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/600

And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

This does get a bit complex and confusing when u get down to it though, because as asked in the above question, if the fathers son, married his wifes daughter, then the father and his wife have a child, then the son of that man, and the daughter of that woman have a child, now the husband and wife have the same half brother i know someone in this situation, whereby their parents got married had a son together, and then the son and daughter married each other, and now the husband and wife share the same half brother so it seems they are now related as brother and sister :scratch: Allahu alam.

UZMA KHALID
16-06-07, 01:10 PM
salam

I don't think so

bye

Nazias
16-06-07, 01:12 PM
:smack: A poll on mahrams!