View Full Version : Music- Ok, so we know it's Haram..but...
muslimlearner
11-06-07, 10:25 PM
:salams
..how big a sin is listening to music?
When I read some of the hadiths out there about music, it makes me think that it will keep you hell forever!
Few examples of what I mean-
In one hadith, Muhammed(pbuh) said the people who listen to music will turn into apes and swines. And Allah(swt) describes the people who will turn into apes and swines as the "rejected ones".
It also says that music instrument belongs to shaytan. Would this make the music listeners with Shaytan on day of judgment?
In the Qur'an ayah, Allah(swt) says that they will suffer a "humilating torment". As far as my knowledge goes, everytime Allah(swt) speaks about the destination of the people of hell, he speaks about the eternel one.(if you know what i mean)
In another hadith, someone said that singing makes hypocrisy grows in the heart. Hypocrites are in hell forever, no?
There are few other hadiths which makes me think that, but i can't quite remmeber it now.
Anyway, please don't turn this into wether music is haram or halal debate.
$HugoBoss$
12-06-07, 04:36 AM
It's not a major sin but your still going to be punished for it regardless.
Sulaiman Harun
12-06-07, 04:43 AM
Infact, it is a major sin!
Abu.Bakr
12-06-07, 06:56 AM
Don't look at the size of the sin you are committing. Look at who it is you are disobeying
al faqeer
12-06-07, 06:58 AM
Well it depends what you Gonna call Music and why you are listening to it right ?
IF I hear a Bird singing a tune in the morning and like it , it does not mean i am going to hell does it ?
Now the Quran Itself when recited the Qaari uses a Musical Scale as in a tune ? right or wrong ? so that is not Haram either is it ?
NAtional anthems ? Children School recitations ? whatever .
We need to be more precise and not just rule everything out .
Sulaiman Harun
12-06-07, 07:05 AM
What do you mean by Musical Scale used by Qaris?
al faqeer
12-06-07, 07:09 AM
What do you mean by Musical Scale used by Qaris?
Did you haer for instance Shiekh Sudais ?
If you Know the arabic Music scales you will immediately Know he is using a scale we Call رست or رصد . rusd or rust .
Its a knowledge that most people dont know bro :) .
If you heard the Egyptian Qaari's who are Geniuses in this knowledge and the most beautiful voices you will also begin to understand how they change the Melodies as per arabic music scales .
muwahid
12-06-07, 10:16 AM
how can you say its haram, but... ?
there is no "but", something is haram it remains haram. leave it at that khalas !!.
al faqeer
12-06-07, 10:21 AM
how can you say its haram, but... ?
there is no "but", something is haram it remains haram. leave it at that khalas !!.
No My friend sorry that is not How Islam works , Maybe In Jihadi Takfeerism but not ilsam :) .
What ? are birds singing on trees haraam ?
get real !
muwahid
12-06-07, 10:25 AM
No My friend sorry that is not How Islam works , Maybe In Jihadi Takfeerism but not ilsam :) .
how does islam work brother ?
al faqeer
12-06-07, 10:27 AM
how does islam work brother ?
Quran , Sunnah , Ijtihad , Qiyaas .
and not oneliners statements saying its Haram and case closed .
muwahid
12-06-07, 10:32 AM
Quran , Sunnah , Ijtihad , Qiyaas .
and not oneliners statements saying its Haram and case closed .
when the quran and sunnah makes something halal or haram, there is no ijtihad or qiyaas needed. the sunnah clearly makes music haram, so what are you saying it is not haram ?..
al faqeer
12-06-07, 10:34 AM
when the quran and sunnah makes something halal or haram, there is no ijtihad or qiyaas needed. the sunnah clearly makes music haram, so what are you saying it is not haram ?..
Prove it , Prove that Birds singing is haram :)
Please make yourself look as bad as possible .
No My friend sorry that is not How Islam works , Maybe In Jihadi Takfeerism but not ilsam :) .
What ? are birds singing on trees haraam ?
get real !
Stop playing around with words, you know exactly what he means by music, and that doesn't include bird song, whales singing, monkeys chattering...
If you want to include bird song into music, why not include human speech? They are essentially the same.
In which case 'music' becomes a truly general term.
jzcasejz
12-06-07, 10:51 AM
Don't look at the size of the sin you are committing. Look at who it is you are disobeying
^ MashaAllaah...well put! :coolbro:
al faqeer
12-06-07, 10:54 AM
Stop playing around with words, you know exactly what he means by music, and that doesn't include bird song, whales singing, monkeys chattering...
If you want to include bird song into music, why not include human speech? They are essentially the same.
In which case 'music' becomes a truly general term.
Sorry friend Music as in songs with Instruments are haram , But saying all types of music are haram is extreme .
Like I proved even the Quran recitors use Music scales :) try refuting that .
Zaid the Great
12-06-07, 10:55 AM
Sorry friend Music as in songs with Instruments are haram , But saying all types of music are haram is extreme .
Like I proved even the Quran recitors use Music scales :) try refuting that .
la titfalsaf.....
al faqeer
12-06-07, 10:57 AM
la titfalsaf.....
Laa ya ruu7 umak atfalsaf 3ala kaif ahlee :D .
r the Tunes used by Quran recitors Haram ?
r the birds singing haram ?
r national anthems haram ?
r salafi nasheeds haram ?
:D you ppl really have a humilation wish dont you ?
It is sed that music is the bible of shaitan, and thats enough for me to keep away!
al faqeer
12-06-07, 11:23 AM
It is sed that music is the bible of shaitan, and thats enough for me to keep away!
And your proof is ?
It is sed that music is the bible of shaitan, and thats enough for me to keep away!
better :up:
al faqeer
12-06-07, 11:44 AM
Laa ya ruu7 umak atfalsaf 3ala kaif ahlee :D .
r the Tunes used by Quran recitors Haram ?
r the birds singing haram ?
r national anthems haram ?
r salafi nasheeds haram ?
Anyone with knowledge to answer ?
Anyone with knowledge to answer ?
you are saying any Sufi disagrees with me ?:rolleyes:
you are saying any Sufi disagrees with me ?:rolleyes:
this fakeer likes music, singing and dancing ;)
muslimlearner
12-06-07, 03:42 PM
so i see you've turned it to wether it's haram or halal debate.....
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Anyone with knowledge to answer ?
don't need a scholar to answer those, just a moron.
hence me thinking they were rhetorical :rolleyes:
al faqeer
12-06-07, 04:44 PM
YAWN ! :zzz:
r the Tunes used by Quran recitors Haram ?
r the birds singing haram ?
r national anthems haram ?
r salafi nasheeds haram ?
Who has the Cahunas to answer ?
Le Croyant
12-06-07, 05:02 PM
Sorry friend Music as in songs with Instruments are haram , But saying all types of music are haram is extreme .
Like I proved even the Quran recitors use Music scales :) try refuting that .
Al faqeer said it rite here... it's musical instruments which are haraam.
al faqeer, tunes used by Qaris, birds singing, etc are more precisely classified as melody not music.
Mujaheedah
12-06-07, 05:08 PM
It shouldn't be an issue of whether it is a big sin or not, knowing it is a sin should be enough.
al faqeer
12-06-07, 05:10 PM
Al faqeer said it rite here... it's musical instruments which are haraam.
al faqeer, tunes used by Qaris, birds singing, etc are more precisely classified as melody not music.
Finally someone offering common sense , No its not but its part of music , so not everything related to Music is Haram .
We need to think with open minds and not snot for brains :).
Jazakumullah khair Le Croyant
Tax-Man
12-06-07, 05:13 PM
Blah Blah Blah, funny how we all expect Janna and all Blessings from allah yet some of us arn't even willing to give up some like music yet expect the mercy and rewards of allah, people this issue is debated any sane muslim would just avoid it to be on the safe side.
al faqeer
12-06-07, 05:23 PM
Blah Blah Blah, funny how we all expect Janna and all Blessings from allah yet some of us arn't even willing to give up some like music yet expect the mercy and rewards of allah, people this issue is debated any sane muslim would just avoid it to be on the safe side.
avoid what ? Rockn roll ? OK
Heavy metal ? A3uuthubillah ?
Rap music yes ?
Beethhoven yeah and YUK !
Anything with instruments off course Music .
But what about the birds singing ? :)
the natinal anthems and Folklore ?
what about the Tunes in the Quran recitation ?
Tax-Man
12-06-07, 05:26 PM
avoid what ? Rockn roll ? OK
Heavy metal ? A3uuthubillah ?
Rap music yes ?
Beethhoven yeah and YUK !
Anything with instruments off course Music .
But what about the birds singing ? :)
the natinal anthems and Folklore ?
what about the Tunes in the Quran recitation ? If National Anthems Contain intruments then they should be avoided, heck I'd aviod anything to with nationalism, and what tunes do quran recitors use I'm confused?
al faqeer
12-06-07, 05:27 PM
If National Anthems Contain intruments then they should be avoided, heck I'd aviod anything to with nationalism, and what tunes do quran recitors use I'm confused?
I already explained that earlier in this thread , every recitor uses an arabic Music scale bro .
So not all realted to music can be called haram thats my point .
Tax-Man
12-06-07, 05:28 PM
I already explained that earlier in this thread , every recitor uses an arabic Music scale bro .
So not all realted to music can be called haram thats my point . Kindly point me towards that thread bro.
al faqeer
12-06-07, 05:32 PM
Kindly point me towards that thread bro.
Same as the current thread
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1929321&postcount=7
Le Croyant
12-06-07, 05:33 PM
Finally someone offering common sense , No its not but its part of music , so not everything related to Music is Haram .
We need to think with open minds and not snot for brains :).
Jazakumullah khair Le Croyant
bro... I think ppl r here referring to Musical instruments being haraam. not musical tones if i read the thread correctly.
btw..
Melody:
1 : a sweet or agreeable succession or arrangement of sounds : TUNEFULNESS (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tunefulness)
2 : a rhythmic succession of single tones organized as an aesthetic whole
al faqeer
12-06-07, 05:36 PM
bro... I think ppl r here referring to Musical instruments being haraam. not musical tones if i read the thread correctly.
btw..
Melody:
1 : a sweet or agreeable succession or arrangement of sounds : TUNEFULNESS (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/tunefulness)
2 : a rhythmic succession of single tones organized as an aesthetic whole
Music is not only Instruments a Voice singing is also music right ?
And like I explained if I take Shiekh Sudais Style of read reading which is رست I can sing 1000 different arabic songs from that very scale :) .
It doesnt make it wrong to read the Quran with the same scale .
But problem is people dont understand that deep .
Anyways you can always learn something new .
Oh And Le Croyant انت عارف إنه مؤذنين الحزم المكي والمدني بيتعلموا المقامات الموسيقية العربية أول ؟
.
sapphire_blue
12-06-07, 05:43 PM
r national anthems haram ?
Are national anthems halal? Surely, the words used play a big part in saying if it's ok or not. Take for example God Save the Queen - would you consider that halal?
Plus, that is music with instruments so I don't see how you can say it isn't haram?
The words for the Saudi one is fine but they don't they too sometimes use intruments?
I think the issue is pretty obvious, isn't it?
When you walk down the street, little bits of pork don't just fly into your mouth.
But when you walk down the street, or go into a store, you almost always hear instrumental music.
So, clearly, God isn't going to give you some rule that's impossible to obey.
From what I understand, there are different kinds of haram...
Hearing music, for example, doesn't invalidate wudu.
Cats are haram for eating, but you can have them as pets.
Sex itself isn't haram, but sex outside marriage is haram.
I think the issue is pretty obvious, isn't it?
When you walk down the street, little bits of pork don't just fly into your mouth.
But when you walk down the street, or go into a store, you almost always hear instrumental music.
So, clearly, God isn't going to give you some rule that's impossible to obey.
From what I understand, there are different kinds of haram...
Hearing music, for example, doesn't invalidate wudu.
Cats are haram for eating, but you can have them as pets.
Sex itself isn't haram, but sex outside marriage is haram.
you are right there . regarding hearing music does not invalidate wudu I would say it must be unintentional .
thank you .
But what about the birds singing ? :)
just out of curiousity Faqeer if you want to persistent
1. how do you know exactly that birdie is singing? please dont say its from Disney movies.
2. If they are scientifically proven to be singing, can we tell them to shut up? I still have some problem to tell some people to shut up.:rolleyes:
al faqeer
12-06-07, 07:57 PM
just out of curiousity Faqeer if you want to persistent
1. how do you know exactly that birdie is singing? please dont say its from Disney movies.
2. If they are scientifically proven to be singing, can we tell them to shut up? I still have some problem to tell some people to shut up.:rolleyes:
Ask Allah SWT who created them that way wise guy :)
You dont have what it takes nopah .
come to me in a couple of years when you do .
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