what is worse...

[Al-Irhaab]

ah again just a survey would like to know some opinions

what is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman
both the same

[MG]

ah again just a survey would like to know some opinions

what is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman
both the same


both same IMO

[Lambo5688]

I think Kaafir Man Hitting Onto a Muslim Woman is worse because as brothers it is our responsibility to keep our muslim sisters safe and away from these kind of people, and if a kaafir man is hitting on a muslim sister, and we are doing nothing about it...thats not good. This is assuming that the muslim sister does not want a kaafir man hitting on her...if she does...thats another story.

Also a kaafir man, in extreme cases, may try to be physical with a muslim sister and can overpower her easily, while on the other hand a muslim brother can easily shrug off a kaafir woman hitting on her.

Both are equally bad as actions...but it is worse to see a muslim sister being hit on against her wishes. Thats just my opinion ofcourse....im prolly not making sense..:p

[ur_yusra]

If the kaafir woman is hitting on a muslim man I expect he will put her in her place.

I think a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman is worse simply because muslim women are more precious.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams



Also a kaafir man, in extreme cases, may try to be physical with a muslim sister and can overpower her easily, while on the other hand a muslim brother can easily shrug off a kaafir woman hitting on her.



This is the main reason why i picked 'a kaafir man picking on a Muslim woman' because maybe i am wrong but brothers don't get scared - for a sister if a kaafir man comes up to her she will most likely get uncomfortable and become very wary - if he is persistant he may even frighten her. :( :ahb:

This isn't singling out kaafir men but the reason i have said the above is Muslim men know where the boundry is - with kaafir men some don't know we don't date etc and therefore they'd be baffled with a sister's plain approach to saying no and think why etc and feel different about her approach handling the situation.

:wswrwb:

[Cristiana]

I think a man hitting on a muslim woman is a little worse just because muslim women go to an ever greater extent than muslim men to conceal their sexuality (with hijab).

The sadly ironic and worse combination is when a muslim man tries hitting on a muslim woman... yuck

[MG]

From Allah's perspective, he will judge them on their action not what look at what sex they are first

[Lambo5688]

If the kaafir woman is hitting on a muslim man I expect he will put her in her place.

I think a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman is worse simply because muslim women are more precious.
Agreed :up:

[Cristiana]

:start:

:salams



This is the main reason why i picked 'a kaafir man picking on a Muslim woman' because maybe i am wrong but brothers don't get scared - for a sister if a kaafir man comes up to her she will most likely get uncomfortable and become very wary - if he is persistant he may even frighten her. :( :ahb:

This isn't singling out kaafir men but the reason i have said the above is Muslim men know where the boundry is - with kaafir men some don't know we don't date etc and therefore they'd be baffled with a sister's plain approach to saying no and think why etc and feel different about her approach handling the situation.

:wswrwb:

I'm not sure...

Non-muslim women can be just as "full-on" as men...

Gosh, when I was christian and I had just started my job (among mostly muslim men) to say goodbye for the holidays I shook hands and kissed these guys on the cheeks........... They became so shy I though they were gonna implode... astaghfirullah, I wasn't trying to hit on them, just Italians are very physical. but really I can't imagine myself doing that now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rubeyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

just to point out this is not looking at sin because kaafir do not do sin they are going hell anyway.... this is looking at what is worse in regards to how muslims see the situation

[RashidD]

If the kaafir woman is hitting on a muslim man I expect he will put her in her place.

I think a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman is worse simply because muslim women are more precious.

Agreed MashaALLAH.

[Irfan GBH]

I have to agree with ur yusra. Islam teaches us to look after our women, and a kaffir man hitting on her would most likely be more humiliating for a sister than a kaffir woman hitting on a muslim brother.

[PiElle]

I think a kafir hitting on a muslim woman is worse for himself cos he got to shoulder all the reposnibilit but not the other way round.:(

so be careful who you hit and then dun run away... :D

[angel*]

If the kaafir woman is hitting on a muslim man I expect he will put her in her place.

I think a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman is worse simply because muslim women are more precious.

*nods in agreement*

Mmmm i think its Bad if a kaafir woman was hitting on a muslim man, but i think its Worse if a kaafir man was hitting on a muslim woman., reason being its easier for a muslim man to remove himself from such a situation whereas for a muslim woman it could become difficult.

[alld]

Assalamu alaikum

I have no problem if a kaffir men or women hits a muslim men or a women if they were drinking or fornicating since it is Haraam .

JazakAllah khayr .

[Zesty]

Both the same.

[muslim_sis]

aah come on people they are both as bad as each other, both will get the same punishment, both are sinning !

its not more acceptable for a muslim man to do sumin :rolleyes: HARAM is HARAM for both male and female !

[Na'eemah]

Yeah I voted both are bad as each other.

Man and woman were made equal and will be judged equally.

[ur_yusra]

aah come on people they are both as bad as each other, both will get the same punishment, both are sinning !

its not more acceptable for a muslim man to do sumin :rolleyes: HARAM is HARAM for both male and female !

What do you mean?

How can a kaafir commit haraam when they are already kaafir if that makes sense.. :scratch:

[muslim_sis]

What do you mean?

How can a kaafir commit haraam when they are already kaafir if that makes sense.. :scratch:
the kafir woman hitting on a muslim man .. the muslim man will be held accountable, he is sinning

the kafir man hitting on a muslim woman ... the muslim woman will be held accountable - she is sinning

sinning is sinning, even the kufar will be held accountable for everything they do!

[Zaid the Great]

A woman hitting a man..... Not as bad as the second one because when a kkafir man hits a Muslim woman, he is harming her honour.... Which isn't necessarily the case when a kaafir woman hits a muslim man...

[ur_yusra]

the kafir woman hitting on a muslim man .. the muslim man will be held accountable, he is sinning

the kafir man hitting on a muslim woman ... the muslim woman will be held accountable - she is sinning

sinning is sinning, even the kufar will be held accountable for everything they do!

But how is it the muslims fault if someone hits on them (assuming neither provoked the incident)?

[Reptile]

Personally I think the man hitting on the muslim woman, because for starters I’m assuming the sister is dressing modestly observing the hijab, The guy must be an ignoramus or just perverted to think that hitting on a muslim woman will get him somewhere, how ever if it were to be a woman hitting on a muslim man, well for starters its a lot harder to identify whether men are muslim than women, so it could just be a simple mistake, where I think the first scenario the person seems to be a lot more determined, and will probably cause the sister to be a lot more uncomfortable

[Abu Mus'ab]

just to point out this is not looking at sin because kaafir do not do sin they are going hell anyway.... this is looking at what is worse in regards to how muslims see the situation
Well u shuda said that in the beginnin :torture:

[Abu Mus'ab]

A woman hitting a man..... Not as bad as the second one because when a kkafir man hits a Muslim woman, he is harming her honour.... Which isn't necessarily the case when a kaafir woman hits a muslim man...
If a kaafir woman hits a man then that man must be really weak :outta:

[Zaid the Great]

If a kaafir woman hits a man then that man must be really weak :outta:

no he must be a true man because he doesn't waste his time fighting women:rolleyes:

[Abu Mus'ab]

But how is it the muslims fault if someone hits on them (assuming neither provoked the incident)?
I'd like to know that too *Roll Eyes*

[Reptile]

edit just got it :smack:

[Abu Mus'ab]

no he must be a true man because he doesn't waste his time fighting women:rolleyes:
arey bewuqoof :smack:

What you tryna say i already said a long time ago (ask souljaa for a reference), just because a person don't raise his hand for a woman doesn't mean he gets his head kicked in, if he does then he's patheticly weak *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

edit just got it :smack:
I put 1+1 together of course :scratch:

[*Al-Qadr*]

Both equally bad.

[Reptile]

I put 1+1 together of course :scratch:


but I dont think you came up with 2 lool

[Zaid the Great]

but I dont think you came up with 2 lool

my baby sis comes up eith 22:rotfl:

[Reptile]

my baby sis comes up eith 22:rotfl:

aww cute! :D

[ibn suleman]

are sum of u talking abt physical hitting? :scratch:

[Reptile]

are sum of u talking abt physical hitting? :scratch:


i believe abu mus'ab was

[angel*]

my baby sis comes up eith 22:rotfl:

Awww bless!:p

[Abu Mus'ab]

but I dont think you came up with 2 lool
of course not, i came up with 11 *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

are sum of u talking abt physical hitting? :scratch:
It was Zaid who came up with it :outta:

[souljaa]

arey bewuqoof :smack:

What you tryna say i already said a long time ago (ask souljaa for a reference), just because a person don't raise his hand for a woman doesn't mean he gets his head kicked in, if he does then he's patheticly weak *Roll Eyes*

Aye i remember that...You listed 3 options...Lemme try and find it :D

[Reptile]

of course not, i came up with 11 *Roll Eyes*

:rotfl:

[angel*]

It was Zaid who came up with it :outta:

Mmmm then y u running away eh???

[K h a l i l]

Mmmm then y u running away eh???

Yeah.. i was wondering what Zaid was on about...
now.. what option did he put... hmmm.. ahh... ok..

Zaid... you don't read the question do you?? You remind me of myself..

[Abu Mus'ab]

Aye i remember that...You listed 3 options...Lemme try and find it :D
no need, he can take you as a reference or............ he can take you as a reference *Roll Eyes*

[souljaa]

Ahem

Here's (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1825029&postcount=1180) the reference

[angel*]

Yeah.. i was wondering what Zaid was on about...
now.. what option did he put... hmmm.. ahh... ok..

Zaid... you don't read the question do you?? You remind me of myself..

LOL u both remind me of myslef!!! :p

[Al-Irhaab]

the kafir woman hitting on a muslim man .. the muslim man will be held accountable, he is sinning

the kafir man hitting on a muslim woman ... the muslim woman will be held accountable - she is sinning

sinning is sinning, even the kufar will be held accountable for everything they do!

how are either of the muslims sinning *scratch*

if some woman starts hitting onto a muslim the muslim doesnt sin unless he starts hitting back on her and the same for the woman... the question is which is worse in the eyes of a muslim...



let me put it another way this is to the bros.... if a woman hit onto ur bro/husband/son etc wot would you expect to happen and if a man hit onto your sis/daughter/wife would would you expect to happen... and would your response be the same

[angel*]

how are either of the muslims sinning *scratch*

if some woman starts hitting onto a muslim the muslim doesnt sin unless he starts hitting back on her and the same for the woman... the question is which is worse in the eyes of a muslim...



let me put it another way this is to the bros.... if a woman hit onto ur bro/husband/son etc wot would you expect to happen and if a man hit onto your sis/daughter/wife would would you expect to happen... and would your response be the same



I sincerly doubt the reaction would be the same.

[Joha]

I'm puzzled, all this hitting doing my head in.

:scratch: :scratch:

Didn't your nursery school teacher tell you hitting girls is a no-no?

[Reptile]

I'm puzzled, all this hitting doing my head in.

:scratch: :scratch: hitting's wrong period.

Didn't your nursery school teacher tell you hitting girls is a no-no?

not in the literal sense lol unless ur joking then ignore me

[Abu Mus'ab]

how are either of the muslims sinning *scratch*

if some woman starts hitting onto a muslim the muslim doesnt sin unless he starts hitting back on her and the same for the woman... the question is which is worse in the eyes of a muslim...



let me put it another way this is to the bros.... if a woman hit onto ur bro/husband/son etc wot would you expect to happen and if a man hit onto your sis/daughter/wife would would you expect to happen... and would your response be the same
I see what you mean now.

Well obviously it wouldn't be the same, you'd slap yer bro behind the head and pull him aside, and if it's a man then you beat his head in :rolleyes:

[Abu Mus'ab]

not in the literal sense lol unless ur joking then ignore me
he/she/it is joking *Roll Eyes*

[Zaid the Great]

I sincerly doubt the reaction would be the same.

You wrote a sentence without using any abbreviations!!

[Abu Mus'ab]

You wrote a sentence without using any abbreviations!!
sincerely is spelt wrong :smack:

[Zaid the Great]

sincerely is spelt wrong :smack:

no abbreviations tho

[muslim_sis]

But how is it the muslims fault if someone hits on them (assuming neither provoked the incident)?
theres no excuse for sin..nothing that makes it 'ok' coz it was 'provoked' :S
its not about fault, both are sinners...what ever happen to control & fear of Allah !?

when ur question by allah , ur not gonna say oh it ws his fault or her fault , YOU YOURSELF will be accountable for ur OWN action ! we will be in our graves on our OWN!

[Reptile]

he/she/it is joking *Roll Eyes*

i knew already *stick out tongue*

[Abu Mus'ab]

theres no excuse for sin..nothing that makes it 'ok' coz it was 'provoked' :S
its not about fault, both are sinners...what ever happen to control & fear of Allah !?

when ur question by allah , ur not gonna say oh it ws his fault or her fault , YOU YOURSELF will be accountable for ur OWN action ! we will be in our graves on our OWN!
you're misunderstanding her, say you're standing somewere and some drunk comes up to you and starts talking/hitting (whatever you wanna call it) on you? how are you to blame?

I've already included in there that she's dressed properly with niqab and all, yet some wierdo comes up to her, how is she sinning?

And no i'm not saying she starts talking to him too *Roll Eyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

just to clarify again... hitting on someone doesnt mean physically hitting them *torture* it means flirting, asking for number, asking out etc etc...

[ur_yusra]

theres no excuse for sin..nothing that makes it 'ok' coz it was 'provoked' :S
its not about fault, both are sinners...what ever happen to control & fear of Allah !?

when ur question by allah , ur not gonna say oh it ws his fault or her fault , YOU YOURSELF will be accountable for ur OWN action ! we will be in our graves on our OWN!

:smack: :p

you're misunderstanding her, say you're standing somewere and some drunk comes up to you and starts talking/hitting (whatever you wanna call it) on you? how are you to blame?

I've already included in there that she's dressed properly with niqab and all, yet some wierdo comes up to her, how is she sinning?

And no i'm not saying she starts talking to him too *Roll Eyes*

:up:

[Redmist]

..................Yeh we know.......chatting sumone up basically.

trying ur luck with them!!

[Lambo5688]

..................Yeh we know.......chatting sumone up basically.

trying ur luck with them!!

No chatting up! Naughty naughty!

[Joha]

..................Yeh we know.......chatting sumone up basically.

trying ur luck with them!!

no harm in trying your luck :p

You'll just get a slap, or a kick, whichever's more convenient.

[PiElle]

If a kaafir woman hits a man then that man must be really weak :outta:


if a muslim woman hits on a kaafir then her emaan is weak?

sometimes we dun know why we have certain desire or inspiration.

personally, i dun think it's nice for a woman to 'hit' on a man...

but anyway... Allah knows best! :D

[MChutney]

i chose "both equal" but i realized a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman would look and be more inappropriate.
In most cases it could be that the hijab is not worn properly.

A non-muslim woman hitting on a muslim man ca be easily warded off :d

[Abu Mus'ab]

just to clarify again... hitting on someone doesnt mean physically hitting them *torture* it means flirting, asking for number, asking out etc etc...
really? :rubeyes: u coulda fooled me :rolleyes:

[Zaid the Great]

just to clarify again... hitting on someone doesnt mean physically hitting them *torture* it means flirting, asking for number, asking out etc etc...

o crap *outta*

[Abu Mus'ab]

if a muslim woman hits on a kaafir then her emaan is weak?

sometimes we dun know why we have certain desire or inspiration.

personally, i dun think it's nice for a woman to 'hit' on a man...

but anyway... Allah knows best! :D
I didn't say nuthin like that :rubeyes: but yeh her emaan is weak if she's 'chatting up' a kaafir man, same applies to males obviously *Roll Eyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

I didn't say nuthin like that :rubeyes: but yeh her emaan is weak if she's 'chatting up' a kaafir man, same applies to males obviously *Roll Eyes*

man u guys are wierdos who said anything about the muslims doing anything haram *torture*

some people cant read man

[`asiya]

I think Kaafir Man Hitting Onto a Muslim Woman is worse because as brothers it is our responsibility to keep our muslim sisters safe and away from these kind of people, and if a kaafir man is hitting on a muslim sister, and we are doing nothing about it...thats not good. This is assuming that the muslim sister does not want a kaafir man hitting on her...if she does...thats another story.

Also a kaafir man, in extreme cases, may try to be physical with a muslim sister and can overpower her easily, while on the other hand a muslim brother can easily shrug off a kaafir woman hitting on her.

Both are equally bad as actions...but it is worse to see a muslim sister being hit on against her wishes. Thats just my opinion ofcourse....im prolly not making sense..:p

agreed and ur making perfect sense masha Allah:up:

however another thing to consider is that... men are weak for women... and how many times do we see a woman hitting on a muslim man, who then thinks he will do "dawa" to her :rolleyes: and then spends the next year or so speaking with her in the cause of "dawa" and ends up marrying her even if she doesnt become muslim and regardless of her having boyfreinds and being unchaste in the past.. which means she is a zaniyah and not permissible for marriage...and all for the "dawa"... uh huh.. seen it too many times myself....As the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said what means : "shaitan has given up hope of leading the believers astray in the big matters so he leads them astray in small ways ( to start with) ..."

[PiElle]

man u guys are wierdos who said anything about the muslims doing anything haram *torture*

some people cant read man

oops... yup my fault... sorry...

[Abu Mus'ab]

man u guys are wierdos who said anything about the muslims doing anything haram *torture*

some people cant read man
well blad you shuda said that in yer first post *Roll Eyes*

[alld]

such threads will help serve bay hayaai in muslims .

[Al-Irhaab]

such threads will help serve bay hayaai in muslims .

u need help ... professional help... the kind that costs money.... *rolleyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

well blad you shuda said that in yer first post *Roll Eyes*

it was obvious from the first post what it meant....

which situation is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman...

now where in the above 2 options is there anything about the muslim man or woman doing anything....


the reason of the poll was to highlight something strange that ive been seeing amongst a number of muslims lately... i mean to be a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man is bad.... but a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman is abhorrent is sickening, makes me want to beat the living daylights out of him and then rip his heart out... but to some they feel both are the same... i dont know is it lack of gheerah nowadays...

[Abu Mus'ab]

u need help ... professional help... the kind that costs money.... *rolleyes*
:rotfl:

[Abu Mus'ab]

it was obvious from the first post what it meant....

which situation is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman...

now where in the above 2 options is there anything about the muslim man or woman doing anything....


the reason of the poll was to highlight something strange that ive been seeing amongst a number of muslims lately... i mean to be a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man is bad.... but a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman is abhorrent is sickening, makes me want to beat the living daylights out of him and then rip his heart out... but to some they feel both are the same... i dont know is it lack of gheerah nowadays...
well you know when we see a thread by you we expect it to be deeni inclined :smack: and what people think when they see the first post is more about the sin than anything else, and that is what made them vote for what they did.

If there's anyone to blame it's you :torture:

[Reptile]

u need help ... professional help... the kind that costs money.... *rolleyes*

meanie! *evil eyes*

[`asiya]

it was obvious from the first post what it meant....

which situation is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman...

now where in the above 2 options is there anything about the muslim man or woman doing anything....


the reason of the poll was to highlight something strange that ive been seeing amongst a number of muslims lately... i mean to be a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man is bad.... but a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman is abhorrent is sickening, but to some they feel both are the same... i dont know is it lack of gheerah nowadays...


thats really bad, but then again what would a muslim woman be doing out and about by herself without a mahram where she would be in the situation where a man would start trying to speak to her like that, and especially if shes lowering her gaze and in hijab...(unless she lived alone, had no muslim family, and so was forced to go out alone for shopping for food and necessity because she didnt have a father/uncle brother grandfather to support her)

men unfortunately will often have no choice but to work amongst women to support their families, so u can see why they might be in that situation but im sorry to say that any woman who is out alone like that well theres a man to blame somewhere for that, cos even the ones who have no muslim families and are forced to live alone, a bro from the community should have stepped forward and married her so she never has to be in such a situation...hmm yep sorry but the blame lies firmly with the bros for this scenario.

Allah ta ala says in the Quran "men are the maintainers and protectors of women" so all the imams and brothers better make sure they protect and maintain the muslim women in their communities if they fear Allah ta ala.

[Abu Mus'ab]

edit: double post :nono:

[Reptile]

how could that be a double post, if there is only one? *confused look*

[Abu Mus'ab]

how could that be a double post, if there is only one? *confused look*
it was a duplicate of post 77.

[Reptile]

it was a duplicate of post 77.

oh ok

[alld]

u need help ... professional help... the kind that costs money.... *rolleyes*

do not worry I am a muslim alhamdulilah . :)

[Al-Irhaab]

well you know when we see a thread by you we expect it to be deeni inclined :smack: and what people think when they see the first post is more about the sin than anything else, and that is what made them vote for what they did.

If there's anyone to blame it's you :torture:

it is deeni inclined *scratch*

its to see how people view issues of the deen.... *rolleyes*

as you know most of my threads are aimed at muslims so why would i be asking which is worse for the kaafir... it was obviously aimed at which is worse for the muslim *torture*

[$HugoBoss$]

Why isn't there a option "Hijabi sister hitting on a kafir man"

That would be the worst, that should have been a option it's not always the men :rolleyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

Why isn't there a option "Hijabi sister hitting on a kafir man"

That would be the worst, that should have been a option it's not always the men :rolleyes:

cus thats not the discussion.... the discussion is not about the actions of the muslims its about the actions of the kuffar towards the muslim and which one we feel is worse.... if i wanted to ask which is worse a jahil muslim man or a jahil muslim woman then i would have asked that *rolleyes*

[$HugoBoss$]

cus thats not the discussion.... the discussion is not about the actions of the muslims its about the actions of the kuffar towards the muslim and which one we feel is worse.... if i wanted to ask which is worse a jahil muslim man or a jahil muslim woman then i would have asked that *rolleyes*

Hey you don't get to rolleyes is that understood sis??? Thats Abu Musab's trademark.

[Reptile]

Hey you don't get to rolleyes is that understood sis??? Thats Abu Musab's trademark.

*laughs* captured and framed

[Abu Mus'ab]

it is deeni inclined *scratch*

its to see how people view issues of the deen.... *rolleyes*

as you know most of my threads are aimed at muslims so why would i be asking which is worse for the kaafir... it was obviously aimed at which is worse for the muslim *torture*
well then put up a big sign that says "I'm doing a survey on gheerah, please vote on me poll so that i can get your opinions" but no you give no details at all :smack:

[Al-Irhaab]

Hey you don't get to rolleyes is that understood sis??? Thats Abu Musab's trademark.

its bro as you already know unless uve lost ur senses which is quite understandable... or perhaps u didnt have them in the first place *torture*

and no its not abu musabs trademark... he copied it from me *rolleyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

well then put up a big sign that says "I'm doing a survey on gheerah, please vote on me poll so that i can get your opinions" but no you give no details at all :smack:

if i put up a sign im doing a survey on gheerah then the survey would automatically be biased one way as no one gonna say anything that is perceived against gheerah... ur going slow man... and u not even hit middle age yet *rolleyes*

[WH]

If the kaafir woman is hitting on a muslim man I expect he will put her in her place.

I think a kaafir man hitting on a muslim woman is worse simply because muslim women are more precious.
Na'am indeed- the status of sisters in allevated.
I think Kaafir Man Hitting Onto a Muslim Woman is worse because as brothers it is our responsibility to keep our muslim sisters safe and away from these kind of people, and if a kaafir man is hitting on a muslim sister, and we are doing nothing about it...thats not good. This is assuming that the muslim sister does not want a kaafir man hitting on her...if she does...thats another story.

Also a kaafir man, in extreme cases, may try to be physical with a muslim sister and can overpower her easily, while on the other hand a muslim brother can easily shrug off a kaafir woman hitting on her.

Both are equally bad as actions...but it is worse to see a muslim sister being hit on against her wishes. Thats just my opinion ofcourse....im prolly not making sense..:p
Actually Akhy you made perfect sense- I completely agree and would state this more or less in these terms as I too feel a kaffir man doing such evil to a Muslimah is far worse in my eyes and would duly recieve nothing short of a few broken limbs in the least.

[Te'oma]

IMHO both are equal. What's definately worse though is a muslim(either male or female) mackin' on a non muslim

[Abu Mus'ab]

if i put up a sign im doing a survey on gheerah then the survey would automatically be biased one way as no one gonna say anything that is perceived against gheerah... ur going slow man... and u not even hit middle age yet *rolleyes*
You really think so? :rolleyes: after being on this forum for so long you want to tell me that no one would say anything against it? *Roll Eyes*

And besides isn't that what you wanted from this thread? or did you forget to think when you posted it? :outta:

[Al-Irhaab]

You really think so? :rolleyes: after being on this forum for so long you want to tell me that no one would say anything against it? *Roll Eyes*

And besides isn't that what you wanted from this thread? or did you forget to think when you posted it? :outta:

hey what i wanted is what i wanted... thats for me to know and u to speculate about *torture* and me i always think five steps ahead mashallah *grins* just this time i forgot to think about how dumb some people are *outta*

[Abu Mus'ab]

hey what i wanted is what i wanted... thats for me to know and u to speculate about *torture* and me i always think five steps ahead mashallah *grins* just this time i forgot to think about how dumb some people are *outta*
oh i see, so your thinking is like a drunk mans walking, 5 steps foward and 3 steps backwards :outta:

[Al-Irhaab]

oh i see, so your thinking is like a drunk mans walking, 5 steps foward and 3 steps backwards :outta:

no my thinking is too advanced for you because ur senses are like a drunk mans senses.... too slow and slurred *outta*

ur acting worse than ur yusra nowadays

[Abu Mus'ab]

no my thinking is too advanced for you because ur senses are like a drunk mans senses.... too slow and slurred *outta*

ur acting worse than ur yusra nowadays
You seem ta know a lot about drunks :outta:

My point exactly, they've been taking it too easy on you lately and you've become soft *torture* *Roll Eyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

You seem ta know a lot about drunks :outta:

My point exactly, they've been taking it too easy on you lately and you've become soft *torture* *Roll Eyes*

yeah i do ive had altercations with a few drunks in my time *outta* ...

me soft *torture*... if im soft then u must be supersoft

[Abu Mus'ab]

yeah i do ive had altercations with a few drunks in my time *outta* ...

me soft *torture*... if im soft then u must be supersoft
Do you use big words to sound cleverer? :smack: you could have said batrachomyomachias if ya wanted ta sound clever *Roll Eyes*

me soft? it's a cruel world and i'm crueler *Roll Eyes*

[Al-Irhaab]

Do you use big words to sound cleverer? :smack: you could have said batrachomyomachias if ya wanted ta sound clever *Roll Eyes*

me soft? it's a cruel world and i'm crueler *Roll Eyes*

altercations is a small word to me.... but i guess for you kids that is gonna be a big word.... go change ur dummy *rotfl* and i dont need ta sound clever i am clever mashallah...

oh and your word has no s on the end *rolleyes*

[alld]

both are equal .... i guess . it can't go worse than that . but muslims should aviod the same mistake .

is it proper that muslim man hitting unto muslim man

[Abu Mus'ab]

altercations is a small word to me.... but i guess for you kids that is gonna be a big word.... go change ur dummy *rotfl* and i dont need ta sound clever i am clever mashallah...

oh and your word has no s on the end *rolleyes*

I did change it, that's why i'm talking to you dummy :eek: :outta:

Aye we knows you is clever Masha Allah *Roll Eyes*

oh and i was joking about the dummy thing.

[Raziel]

ah again just a survey would like to know some opinions

what is worse....

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman
both the same

Both are Bad, what difference does it make whether it's a man or the woman (Kafir) who 'hits' onto a Muslim?

I don't see the point of this poll at all ...

:jkk:

[Chained_Water]

Does noone else think that brothers are probably more likely to be affected by this negatively than sisters?

Sisters can guard themselves better I think, we just quite loudly and publicly declare no interest and that we don't want to be bothered, or politely excuse ourselves and declare no interest, depending on the situation.

I don't think brothers are generally as good at dealing with such situations and protecting themselves from it.

I know the gist of this will be the "women are our honour, it's worse if some kuffar comes and tries it with them etc etc" ..personally I think practising sisters do a better job of protecting the honour of Muslims than brothers do of protecting the sisters or themselves.

But that's just my anti-men bias probably :D

*leaves after creating a gender debate* :outta:

[angel*]

Does noone else think that brothers are probably more likely to be affected by this negatively than sisters?

Sisters can guard themselves better I think, we just quite loudly and publicly declare no interest and that we don't want to be bothered, or politely excuse ourselves and declare no interest, depending on the situation.

I don't think brothers are generally as good at dealing with such situations and protecting themselves from it.

I know the gist of this will be the "women are our honour, it's worse if some kuffar comes and tries it with them etc etc" ..personally I think practising sisters do a better job of protecting the honour of Muslims than brothers do of protecting the sisters or themselves.

But that's just my anti-men bias probably :D

*leaves after creating a gender debate* :outta:


Sis with you on that im on my own anti-men thing atm, :rant:

[Te'oma]

Does noone else think that brothers are probably more likely to be affected by this negatively than sisters?

Sisters can guard themselves better I think, we just quite loudly and publicly declare no interest and that we don't want to be bothered, or politely excuse ourselves and declare no interest, depending on the situation.

I don't think brothers are generally as good at dealing with such situations and protecting themselves from it.

I know the gist of this will be the "women are our honour, it's worse if some kuffar comes and tries it with them etc etc" ..personally I think practising sisters do a better job of protecting the honour of Muslims than brothers do of protecting the sisters or themselves.

But that's just my anti-men bias probably :D

*leaves after creating a gender debate* :outta:

No gender debate here either...IMHO most muslim women would resist a non believer. Women are wired to be able to shut an undesirable man down cold. OTOH I think that men tend to think more with our hormones then with our heads and would have a tougher time saying no

[ibn suleman]

here u go..i got the perfect avatar for all u anti-men lot :p :rotfl:

[angel*]

here u go..i got the perfect avatar for all u anti-men lot :p :rotfl:

Mmmm ya know what i culd put that up as my avatar, and publicly declare that atm i really dont like MEN! :bang:

[PiElle2]

equally painful... :o

[Metroid]

[QUOTE=Te'oma;1937126] OTOH I think that men tend to think more with our hormones then with our heads and would have a tougher time saying no[/QUOT

True indeed. In fact, we use the Dawa excuse to being with non-muslim and kufar women:inlove:
Catch a muslim bro at a club and ask him:
Q:what where you doing with that pony Barbie doll yesterday?
R:nothing really, I was giving Dawa to her
We do have muslim sisters having non-muslim boyfriend too. maybe dawa reason.... things has changed drastically.:outta:

the above is just an example:icon_offtopic: (we need off topic icon with happy face plz)


The way I see it is how non-muslim and muslim relationships affect the ummah and may view could be totally different from other countries.
First of all, A muslim girl may shut down any man that does not pleases her regardless of his religion (Muslim or not)
A non-muslim woman may find a man acceptable regardless of his religion.
In fact, there is competition between Muslim and non-Muslim women in regard to Muslim men.
as result, we have many still unmarried muslim sister (born muslim and the one who migrated to the west) especially in the west to the extend that muslim men are advised to look for a spouse locally in the country first before going oversee(back home and stuff).
Let also mention that many non-muslim women embraces islam by approaching muslim men.
Both of the poll options could have been more specific. I have no Idea of what the SD/TS mean by "Hit"
In that case, the response is non of the above or both

[muslimma]

both

[me.sawda]

:salams
Indeed, both are awful to the infinity.

[Pippin1376]

a kaafir woman hitting onto a muslim man
a kaafir man hitting onto a muslim woman
both the same

If Kafir is hitting on a muslim it's because they don't know any better. That is what the norm is, also some people flirt for fun and nothing else.

I think it's worse if the Muslim man/woman flirt back.

[Joha]

If Kafir is hitting on a muslim it's because they don't know any better. That is what the norm is, also some people flirt for fun and nothing else.

I think it's worse if the Muslim man/woman flirt back.

aye, now that's a point well made!

Non-Muslim creature hitting on someone - what does it matter, they don't believe it's wrong.

Muslim hitting on somebody... :asta: :nono:

[Astraeus]

aye, now that's a point well made!

Non-Muslim creature hitting on someone - what does it matter, they don't believe it's wrong.

Muslim hitting on somebody... :asta: :nono:
I agree, point well made Pippin.

Still, for the sake of the poll, I chose the kuffir man hitting on a sister. The reason for my choice is that there are some kuffir men who know about Muslim women, yet choose to flirt with them as a challenge, or on a dare, so they may become rude & vulgar to the sisters. :mad:

[Pippin1376]

Still, for the sake of the poll, I chose the kuffir man hitting on a sister. The reason for my choice is that there are some kuffir men who know about Muslim women, yet choose to flirt with them as a challenge, or on a dare, so they may become rude & vulgar to the sisters.
There is a difference between flirting and sexual harassment though. I think there are some men who know about Muslim women, but it's in their personalities to flirt. Some people are like that, it's not meant to mean anything they will simply flirt with anyone.

When it gets rude & vulgar then you are stepping way out of flirting and are now in sexual harassment.

[Ibrahim70]

Ok Im new to this thread so I aint replying to whats previously been said...............

We are all equal in the eyes of Allah (swt) therefore we should treat eachother as equals yes? Because why would we do something against the teachings of Allah (swt)?

So, both scenarios are bad.

Brothers shouldnt 'hit' on Sisters and Sisters shouldnt 'hit' on Brothers.

:coolbro:

[Rushna]

KAAFIR MAN HITTING ON MUSLIM WOMAN IS WORSE! URGH! PERV:2hammers::vomit:

[paulie walnuts]

You forgot to mention muslim men hitting on
kaffir women

[Russo]

What is worse is MUSLIM MEN hitting on kaafir women!

Its so rampant I'm surprised no one mentions it.

:torture:

[Ibrahim70]

What is worse is MUSLIM MEN hitting on kaafir women!

Its so rampant I'm surprised no one mentions it.

:torture:

Well it does sadden me when I see Brothers with kaafir girls in short skirts, low-cut tops, makeup, etc etc

:torture:

come on Brothers open your eyes and see the beautiful Sisters in your community and then compare them to this **** you are messing with..........theres no comparasion Ahki :coolbro:

[Rushna]

Well it does sadden me when I see Brothers with kaafir girls in short skirts, low-cut tops, makeup, etc etc

:torture:

come on Brothers open your eyes and see the beautiful Sisters in your community and then compare them to this **** you are messing with..........theres no comparasion Ahki :coolbro:

thats a bit mean to kafir women but who cares! hahahahahahaha................:o:up::rolleyes:;):D zzz::hidban::coolbro::torture::mujahida::argue::th ere::nerdsis::75::55::buttkick::fastcar::fairy: