need sisters help

[Al-Irhaab]

assalamualaikum

just a quick survey please could sisters vote on the poll only...

if you went to see a doctor or a dentist or an optician etc and there was no khulwa involved (ie being alone with the person) or it was not a situation where u had to expose your awrah eg take of hijab would you insist on a female doctor etc, would you ask and if it involved waiting longer or coming back would u wait etc come back later...

[perfectpearl]

I would actually wait for the female doc.

Some issues and problems cant be discused with men. Also, females understand each other a lot more. Its more comfortable discussing anything with the same sex.

If it was an emergency then hell it, ill get anyone! :up:

[mizfissy815]

I'd be willing to wait for a female doctor so long as it's not a life and death situation...

[Islamiyyah]

I would wait for a female doctor as well. If I was at a point near death, but in order to help me, a male doctor would have to examine by body further, uncovering me, I would rather die.

[me.sawda]

I would like to get treatment by female doctors and if there's not any ...ermm :eek: I will have to see a male doctor then :rubeyes:

[Amaara]

I chose insist on waiting but now come to think I once had to see a male opticion, though I felt kind of strange...

But with doctors I would insist on a female OR drag someone with me! Unless of course I'm in a pysical/mental state whereby I cannot do so!

InshaAllah I hope that doesnt come to be case for us sisters!!

[me.sawda]

I chose insist on waiting but now come to think I once had to see a male opticion, though I felt kind of strange...

But with doctors I would insist on a female OR drag someone with me! Unless of course I'm in a pysical/mental state whereby I cannot do so!

InshaAllah I hope that doesnt come to be case for us sisters!!

yes:insha:

[Eemaan]

depends on how buff :o

[PiElle]

I'll make an appointment to see a female docter and make sure she doesn't make me wait! :D

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams


I was rushed to the emergency ward a few months back with suspected appendix , i requested a female doctor but none were avaiable - and my situation was so rushed that they said the next doctor would have to check me which was a guy so i had to go throug with it - i felt so uncomfortable although Alhamdulillah it was done ina professional manner.


I was thinking about this yesterday esp since i feel more sisters are required in the profession of medicine :insha:


:wswrwb:

[junaidb]

I chose insist on waiting but now come to think I once had to see a male opticion, though I felt kind of strange...

But with doctors I would insist on a female OR drag someone with me! Unless of course I'm in a pysical/mental state whereby I cannot do so!

InshaAllah I hope that doesnt come to be case for us sisters!!

InshaAllah....

[sunrise]

:start:

:salams


I was rushed to the emergency ward a few months back with suspected appendix , i requested a female doctor but none were avaiable - and my situation was so rushed that they said the next doctor would have to check me which was a guy so i had to go throug with it - i felt so uncomfortable although Alhamdulillah it was done ina professional manner.


I was thinking about this yesterday esp since i feel more sisters are required in the profession of medicine :insha:


:wswrwb:


ahh alhamdulilah ur ok:inlove:

same thing happend 2 my bro...but alhamdulilah he got a male doc and got his appendix out in time alhamdulilah!

[angel*]

Mmmm i would inisit on a female doctor however if 1 wasnt available and i had to b seen by sum1 then i would have no choice than to see a male doctor would i ? :(

[junaidb]

this means we need more muslim women to take up medicine....

wassalaam

:coolbro: :coolbro: :coolbro:

[heaven2002]

i have tried really hard to get a female g.p but there are only two or three in my whole town!!!
and my g.p practise doesnt have female doc so i have to see male one always, unless its something like a b.p test, then i see female nurse at the surgery
wish there were more female docs

[Loobna]

I dont think I would see a male doctor. Actually I remember a couple of months back ringing to get an appointment and forgetting to ask for a female doctor - so I rang back and rearranged it, much to the displeasure of the receptionist...

As for dentist and opticians - I hadnt really considered/realised it till I read this thread...I guess I would be more comfortable with a female. Definately not going back to the dentist guy I saw last time coz I sat in the chair and after saying hi, how are you etc he said 'So, what are your goals for your teeth?' loool - We was in fits of laughter, my sis who was there with me had to leave the room coz she was laughing so much coz I looked utterly confused and the dentist was just standing there waiting for my reply!

[ur_yusra]

:wswrwb:

I would never go to a male dentist simply because of the proximity and I would go to a female doctor, if it was a driving instructor I would definately choose a woman..

I hope you find this information helpful in the 'survey' that your carrying out.. with which you aim to achieve erm... nothing?

[Al Qadr]

assalamualaikum

just a quick survey please could sisters vote on the poll only...

if you went to see a doctor or a dentist or an optician etc and there was no khulwa involved (ie being alone with the person) or it was not a situation where u had to expose your awrah eg take of hijab would you insist on a female doctor etc, would you ask and if it involved waiting longer or coming back would u wait etc come back later...

If it was normal matter like cough, n mum is wiv me don't matter to me either way :S

But I think its best if female patients have female doctors.

[Ebony]

As for dentist and opticians - I hadnt really considered/realised it till I read this thread...I guess I would be more comfortable with a female. Definately not going back to the dentist guy I saw last time coz I sat in the chair and after saying hi, how are you etc he said 'So, what are your goals for your teeth?' loool - We was in fits of laughter, my sis who was there with me had to leave the room coz she was laughing so much coz I looked utterly confused and the dentist was just standing there waiting for my reply!

:rotfl: "For the gnashers to help me chew my food thoroughly for life!"

[Eemaan]

:wswrwb:

I would never go to a male dentist simply because of the proximity and I would go to a female doctor, if it was a driving instructor I would definately choose a woman..

I hope you find this information helpful in the 'survey' that your carrying out.. with which you aim to achieve erm... nothing?

im sure plonk is relieved yer never gonna visit his back street practice :up:

why you always so nasty to him :(

you southerners bite :nervous:

[Redmist]

:rotfl: "For the gnashers to help me chew my food thoroughly for life!"

......and too have no dentures :rotfl:

[sapphire_blue]

I would insist on a female and if that means I have to wait then so be it . .

[heaven2002]

i havent done the poll as at the surgery with which im registered they dont have a female doc
and as all the other surgeries in my town are over prescribed i cant get on to any of their patient lists
but if i was in a hospital then id wait for a female doc unless it was an emergency

[ummbilal]

i have a female GP and i always ask for a female except in A & E as in our local hosp you're lucky to see any doc at all, at one point it was the worst hosp in UK, much better now though and thats not saying much mashallah

[Hafsah]

it depends on the nature and emergency of the visit...at the GP's where you are all alone with the dr and can be quite personal/invasive i would only see a female (alhamdulilah my surgery is an all female surgery)

at the dentist i wouldnt mind..as my dentist is open plan and his nurse is usually sitting there (hardly go to the dentist anyways)

at the opticians...hmm...

emergency appointments...i'd ask for a female...but if there wasnt one..any dr would do

[bint]

hmmm...depends what situation ure in ryt?

[Al-Irhaab]

jazakumallah khere for the replies that was very informative helped a lot mashallah

[Reema]

For me personally, it really depends on the circumstances of my health. If I can and have the oppurtunity to see a female-then great. If I cant and can not wait-then I will see a male doctor.

[Al-Irhaab]

just to clarify im not talking about life or death situations or situations where the treatment is intrusive.... im talking generally.... say u have a cold or a flu etc ... say if you had to wait an hour or come back the next day if u wanted to see a female doctor etc...

[angel*]

just to clarify im not talking about life or death situations or situations where the treatment is intrusive.... im talking generally.... say u have a cold or a flu etc ... say if you had to wait an hour or come back the next day if u wanted to see a female doctor etc...

Well in that case lol i think the majority of females would deffo. wait!!!

[ur_yusra]

jazakumallah khere for the replies that was very informative helped a lot mashallah

Is your 'ground breaking' research going to be published in the 'Journal for Hijaabis' then.

[mizfissy815]

just to clarify im not talking about life or death situations or situations where the treatment is intrusive.... im talking generally.... say u have a cold or a flu etc ... say if you had to wait an hour or come back the next day if u wanted to see a female doctor etc...

Wait. Definitely. What's the rush?

[Chained_Water]

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2402&CATE=89

One thing people should remember is that mostly you don't get to pick and chose who treats you on the NHS. So kicking up a fuss in that case is stupid. Often there will be a duty doctor doing that shift and you will have to see whichever doctor is available at that time.

If it's a cold or something else thats pretty unintrusive then I would see whichever doctor is available. I have a foot injury and have had to go numerous times lately and have seen male doctors each time and they have been fine. My doctors surgery only has male doctors, and it is NOT FORBIDDEN to see them if you need to.

Also if you need to get your husband to go with you or something.

If it was "womens problems" then I'd request a female doctor, go to the Boots walk-in centre which is all women in Brum or request to be seen by the nurse at the surgery.

Personally I think Muslims sometimes can be all moaning demanding whinging and we need to keep in mind circumstances and the feasibility of what we're asking, there are other things to consider than our sensibilities. If it's soooo important, pay the extra money and go private if it isn't available for free.

Weird thing is that the guidance is to see a Muslim male doctor over a nonmuslim male doctor.. I dunno about the other sisters but personally I'd be FAR more comfortable seeing a nonmuslim male than a muslim male.. sadly Muslim men seem to be far more embarrassing and unprofessional than nonmuslim males..

[Al-Irhaab]

Is your 'ground breaking' research going to be published in the 'Journal for Hijaabis' then.

if you have nothing to contribute can you please keep your ignorance to yourself and not start an argument on this thread

jazakillah khere

[Al-Irhaab]

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=2402&CATE=89

One thing people should remember is that mostly you don't get to pick and chose who treats you on the NHS. So kicking up a fuss in that case is stupid. Often there will be a duty doctor doing that shift and you will have to see whichever doctor is available at that time.

If it's a cold or something else thats pretty unintrusive then I would see whichever doctor is available. I have a foot injury and have had to go numerous times lately and have seen male doctors each time and they have been fine. My doctors surgery only has male doctors, and it is NOT FORBIDDEN to see them if you need to.

Also if you need to get your husband to go with you or something.

If it was "womens problems" then I'd request a female doctor, go to the Boots walk-in centre which is all women in Brum or request to be seen by the nurse at the surgery.

Personally I think Muslims sometimes can be all moaning demanding whinging and we need to keep in mind circumstances and the feasibility of what we're asking, there are other things to consider than our sensibilities. If it's soooo important, pay the extra money and go private if it isn't available for free.

Weird thing is that the guidance is to see a Muslim male doctor over a nonmuslim male doctor.. I dunno about the other sisters but personally I'd be FAR more comfortable seeing a nonmuslim male than a muslim male.. sadly Muslim men seem to be far more embarrassing and unprofessional than nonmuslim males..

trust me you do not want to choose non muslim male doctors over muslim male doctors.... you should see how they talk about muslim women especially hijabi women and the kind of personal details they divulge to 'friends and colleagues' about muslim sisters....

also actually if you insist with the nhs they will always provide for you female doctors believe me the nhs has regulations and rules they must abide by it all depends on whether you know the law or not...

anyway thats not the discussion here... im not discussing the rights and wrongs of it... just ascertaining some valuable information

[GuCcI]

trust me you do not want to choose non muslim male doctors over muslim male doctors.... you should see how they talk about muslim women especially hijabi women and the kind of personal details they divulge to 'friends and colleagues' about muslim sisters....



:shock:

realy??! :rubeyes: :(

but i thought everything between u and the doctor is confidential :rubeyes:

hmmm i would totally insist a female doctor especially if its a female doctor but just for a cold or watever i wouldnt mind having a male doctor but if it was something really bugging me i wouldnt care.

my family doc is a man and he doesnt even do my checkups properly cuz he doesnt wanna offend :up: its obvious he feels less comfortable around me than i do him :zzz:

[neelu]

I've had the same non Muslim male GP since I was a baby. A few years ago when I lived in another town, I asked for a female GP and then when I returned home I decided to switch to a female GP at the same surgery rather than go back to the male one. It turned out to be a disaster, I was so ill and had terrible symptoms but she'd put everything down to 'stress' even though I had a pretty stress free and enjoyable life. I'm sure if I had a bloody heart attack she'd tell me it was stress and I should go and lie down or go on holiday:rubeyes: Stupid woman! Anyway, it put me off and I went back to the old male GP which was much better- my mum really encouraged me to go back to him cos' he's her GP as well and she reassured me that he's more professional. If he couldn't figure out what made me ill, he'd refer me to a specialist who could. If I had an ailment of a more feminine or personal nature, he'd say himself that if I wait a while (a matter of several minutes), he can find a female to examine me if that's what's required:up: So I have no regrets.

[heaven2002]

i wusnt insist on a female doctor unless it was an ailment of a sensitive nature
id just be glad to get treated

[ur_yusra]

if you have nothing to contribute can you please keep your ignorance to yourself and not start an argument on this thread

jazakillah khere

ok :rubeyes:

[Kubs]

I would probably insist if there was a female doctor present in the doctor’s surgery. I would feel much more comfortable – otherwise if it was an urgent situation then I wouldn’t go crazy about it and kick up a fuss.

[Cashew]

...trust me you do not want to choose non muslim male doctors over muslim male doctors.... you should see how they talk about muslim women especially hijabi women and the kind of personal details they divulge to 'friends and colleagues' about muslim sisters....

I have to condemn these remarks very, very strongly.

They are extremely irresponsible and Al-Irhaab should be ashamed to have made them.

I was born and raised around physicians. I have friends I have known all my life who practice and teach medicine.

I have several friends who routinely treat hijaabis.

I can say with absolute certainty that these physicians do not divulge personal information about their female Muslim patients. I can say with absolute certainty that these women receive the best possible standard of care.

It is extremely grotesque and dishonest to state or imply that non-Muslim physicians routinely violate or dishonour the privacy and dignity of their female Muslim patients.

[Nazias]

I would check before going and I would request a female and if there was not anyone available then I would book on a day when there was or go somewhere else if that particular place did not have female staff but I would not kick up a fuss! :up:

[Niqaabi]

depends on what i went to see the doc about. For me my health is important and in Islam it would be ok for you to go to a male doc if no other alternative can be found. I pulled a muscle in my knee and couldnt walk properly and i needed medical attention. A female doc wasnt available so i had to see a male doc. There was a woman 'intern' or something with us so not like i was alone with him but he did examine my knee which meant he had to touch it.
If it was for something which was like me needing more pills and the doors of the room is open so plenty people walking past then yes i see no reason for not going to a male doc. For hayah reasons maybe but when it comes to receiving medication for me there is no hayah.

[Niqaabi]

just to clarify im not talking about life or death situations or situations where the treatment is intrusive.... im talking generally.... say u have a cold or a flu etc ... say if you had to wait an hour or come back the next day if u wanted to see a female doctor etc...
If he doesnt need to touch you and there is someone in the room or the door is open people going past i dont see why seeing him is a problem and i have seen male docs in those circumstances.

[Al-Irhaab]

I have to condemn these remarks very, very strongly.

They are extremely irresponsible and Al-Irhaab should be ashamed to have made them.

I was born and raised around physicians. I have friends I have known all my life who practice and teach medicine.

I have several friends who routinely treat hijaabis.

I can say with absolute certainty that these physicians do not divulge personal information about their female Muslim patients. I can say with absolute certainty that these women receive the best possible standard of care.

It is extremely grotesque and dishonest to state or imply that non-Muslim physicians routinely violate or dishonour the privacy and dignity of their female Muslim patients.

calm down i dont know what its like in the us but in uk trust me male doctors especially non muslims u shld see how they speak about seeing the private areas of women.... oh this woman looked like this she had that etc etc....

u might not like it but thats the truth

[ur_yusra]

calm down i dont know what its like in the us but in uk trust me male doctors especially non muslims u shld see how they speak about seeing the private areas of women.... oh this woman looked like this she had that etc etc....

u might not like it but thats the truth

And you know this how?

[Ebony]

Some Muslim "brothers" are just as "*****y" as non-Muslim men, purely because their snidyness is not a result of their faith; but down to their gender :rolleyes:

[ghanamuslima]

in this type of situation i would ask not insist, but in any other situation i do insist on seeing a female

[Al-Irhaab]

And you know this how?

from a muslim gynacologist and from the fact that kuffar are not trustworthy

[ur_yusra]

from a muslim gynacologist and from the fact that kuffar are not trustworthy

ok.. but most sisters would never dream of seeing a male doctor if it was for an examination, muslim or non-muslim unless they had no choice.

[Reema]

Recently I read an article in a magazine about Muslim doctors in London, male doctors who were breaking patient confidentiality by telling certain parents and family members about the health condition and concerns of their female patients who were members of their families. They have absolutley no right to do this at all.

Non-muslim doctors can be bad, male Muslim doctors can be just as bad.

[Islamiyyah]

Just wanted to add:


Once at school, I was on the verge of fainting, I couldnt breathe and my body was going numb. They called the ambulence, and when the put me on the stretcher, the guy had to put something on my legs, a little above my ankles, and with the little energy I had, I waved my hands frantically telling him not to, and he insisted, so I moved up and held my abaya over my ankles, telling him no! So, he stopped.


My hyaa is more important than my health.

[sunrise]

Just wanted to add:


Once at school, I was on the verge of fainting, I couldnt breathe and my body was going numb. They called the ambulence, and when the put me on the stretcher, the guy had to put something on my legs, a little above my ankles, and with the little energy I had, I waved my hands frantically telling him not to, and he insisted, so I moved up and held my abaya over my ankles, telling him no! So, he stopped.


My hyaa is more important than my health.


subhanAllah alhamdulilah ur ok!!

[znisha]

I've been to a male doctor, after many attempts of trying different cough medicines, to get rid of the cough ( and avoiding a doctor). He wanted me to take off my hijab and gown, so as to examine my back and chest..
I totally disagreed, and insisted that I can't do that. He told me to go to a female doctor.
I left a bit upset... because I was really sick with this cough that I get every year, about 2 or 3 times...
Alhamdulillah, the next day my half sister recommended me to a muslimah doctor. She's really cool, and I didn't even need to remove any clothes. She diagnosed me as having asthma, and alhamdulillah, I'm all better now... Well I mean with the use of inhalers and pills...
I prefer to see a female doctor.. unless the case is really emergency and it's only a male available. Of course a female present as well..

[aisha2007]

Asalaam Alaikum

where the NHS is concerned .....due to the Patient Charter you are within your rights to demand a female doctor in hospital due not only to your religion but also to your sex.
The same applies to any Healthcare professional. You are also within your rights to see your patient notes at the GP, and to demand a copy. That is not only Patient Charter but Human Rights.

Personally I always hang it out for a woman but on the only occasion when only a man was available it was a brother...and as I kept my hair covered he was much more respectful to keeping me covered.

[Al-Irhaab]

I've been to a male doctor, after many attempts of trying different cough medicines, to get rid of the cough ( and avoiding a doctor). He wanted me to take off my hijab and gown, so as to examine my back and chest..
I totally disagreed, and insisted that I can't do that. He told me to go to a female doctor.
I left a bit upset... because I was really sick with this cough that I get every year, about 2 or 3 times...
Alhamdulillah, the next day my half sister recommended me to a muslimah doctor. She's really cool, and I didn't even need to remove any clothes. She diagnosed me as having asthma, and alhamdulillah, I'm all better now... Well I mean with the use of inhalers and pills...
I prefer to see a female doctor.. unless the case is really emergency and it's only a male available. Of course a female present as well..

just a question for u sister in particular... do u not find it curious that the male doctor wanted you to uncover whilst the female muslimah fealt there was no need for it?

[Chained_Water]

My hyaa is more important than my health.
I'm curious about this attitude.

And not you in particular sis, but the idea of taking "haya" further than Islam asks at the risk of your own detriment and others inconvenience.

Of course we all understand haya, but I don't understand the need to take "haya" to a level that is not necessary according to Islam and not required. I think there is a point where it stops being haya and starts being pride in ones sense of haya. "My haya is so important to me that I would rather DIE than have a male doctor examine me." etc when this is extremity and the deen does not require it.

It also leaves the unsaid implication that anyone who does let a male doctor see them or do whatever else it is you don't do has a deficiency in their haya.

[Neurostyler]

My hyaa is more important than my health.

Well, without your health you wouldn't be able to exercise a sense of modesty, therefore it would be logical to put your health first now for all your future acts of haya.

[S@Z]

I'm curious about this attitude.

And not you in particular sis, but the idea of taking "haya" further than Islam asks at the risk of your own detriment and others inconvenience.

Of course we all understand haya, but I don't understand the need to take "haya" to a level that is not necessary according to Islam and not required. I think there is a point where it stops being haya and starts being pride in ones sense of haya. "My haya is so important to me that I would rather DIE than have a male doctor examine me." etc when this is extremity and the deen does not require it.

It also leaves the unsaid implication that anyone who does let a male doctor see them or do whatever else it is you don't do has a deficiency in their haya.
hence why inter-gender medical diagnosis is not prohibited in Islam > you will not always get your preferred physician, you know

[Al-Irhaab]

I'm curious about this attitude.

And not you in particular sis, but the idea of taking "haya" further than Islam asks at the risk of your own detriment and others inconvenience.

Of course we all understand haya, but I don't understand the need to take "haya" to a level that is not necessary according to Islam and not required. I think there is a point where it stops being haya and starts being pride in ones sense of haya. "My haya is so important to me that I would rather DIE than have a male doctor examine me." etc when this is extremity and the deen does not require it.

It also leaves the unsaid implication that anyone who does let a male doctor see them or do whatever else it is you don't do has a deficiency in their haya.

what if its not a question of life or death but merely a question of time... wait an hour see a female ... or see a male right now.... wouldnt haya dictate to wait the hour?

[Asmara]

Just wanted to add:


Once at school, I was on the verge of fainting, I couldnt breathe and my body was going numb. They called the ambulence, and when the put me on the stretcher, the guy had to put something on my legs, a little above my ankles, and with the little energy I had, I waved my hands frantically telling him not to, and he insisted, so I moved up and held my abaya over my ankles, telling him no! So, he stopped.


My hyaa is more important than my health.

Your haya is more important than your health sis? Wow!

[`asiya]

from a muslim gynacologist and from the fact that kuffar are not trustworthy

now see akhi i have a huge problem with thats statement right there, at my local hospital there are many muslim surgeons,no problem there, but can someone please tell me what a muslim man is doing being a gynocologist ?!! i have heard all the arguments about oh if there is "necessity" etc. yes i understand if its life and death say in childbirth situation and only a male doctor is present then ok masha Allah, but can someone please explain to me what a muslim man, from the muslim lands is doing training to do such a job in the first place !!! women can do this job, not men.

why are muslim men working with their hands on womens greater awras all day long, i find it completely unacceptable job for a muslim man, and extremely embaressing for a muslim woman, when she has no choice but to see a male doctor as women at our hospital have no choice, because there are no muslim female gynocologists, and there is only one small hospital, so if u need some sort of operation or treatment, or assitance during childbirth, im sorry but it makes it even worse if he is your muslim brother doing such a job, worse than if its a non muslim, because at least the non muslim he doesnt know the limits of our religion, but for a muslim man ? does he have any excuse when he chooses to get paid to put his hands on womens awras all day long maybe for 40 years of his life!

please where is his hayya in making this his chosen profession it is not a necessity for a man to train for this job audu billah leave the womens work for the women.

[heaven2002]

^^^^ i totally agree with sister asiya and have often thought the same
why would a muslim man train to specialise in gynacology??:rubeyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

now see akhi i have a huge problem with thats statement right there, at my local hospital there are many muslim surgeons,no problem there, but can someone please tell me what a muslim man is doing being a gynocologist ?!! i have heard all the arguments about oh if there is "necessity" etc. yes i understand if its life and death say in childbirth situation and only a male doctor is present then ok masha Allah, but can someone please explain to me what a muslim man, from the muslim lands is doing training to do such a job in the first place !!! women can do this job, not men.

why are muslim men working with their hands on womens greater awras all day long, i find it completely unacceptable job for a muslim man, and extremely embaressing for a muslim woman, when she has no choice but to see a male doctor as women at our hospital have no choice, because there are no muslim female gynocologists, and there is only one small hospital, so if u need some sort of operation or treatment, or assitance during childbirth, im sorry but it makes it even worse if he is your muslim brother doing such a job, worse than if its a non muslim, because at least the non muslim he doesnt know the limits of our religion, but for a muslim man ? does he have any excuse when he chooses to get paid to put his hands on womens awras all day long maybe for 40 years of his life!

please where is his hayya in making this his chosen profession it is not a necessity for a man to train for this job audu billah leave the womens work for the women.

sister im not denying that a muslim man shouldnt be a gynacologist but that is not the question here... wot is interesting is what he says about how the kuffar speak about muslimahs that come to them and especially the practicing ones...

[*Al-Qadr*]

^^^^ i totally agree with sister asiya and have often thought the same
why would a muslim man train to specialise in gynacology??:rubeyes:

Perv alert :outta:

[heaven2002]

sister im not denying that a muslim man shouldnt be a gynacologist but that is not the question here... wot is interesting is what he says about how the kuffar speak about muslimahs that come to them and especially the practicing ones...

but if he has chosen to be a gynacologist, dont u think we should question what he is saying?

[heaven2002]

bet there are no muslim women wanting to specialise in men's health:D

we got more sense

[Chained_Water]

but if he has chosen to be a gynacologist, dont u think we should question what he is saying?
LOL, I find it funny how irhaabo thinks the bigger issue is what the nonMuslim gynacologists say.. dude they don't have Islam to guide them, or Islamic moral code and law to live within. Yes you expect ALL doctors to be ethical in their practice.

But what is worse is a Muslim who does have Islam and all that comes with it for ignore it all and do the same as the nonMuslim.. at the end of the day, he is spreading the filth by relating what they say on to you. It is the same thing... only it's worse 'cuz he's Muslim.

[`asiya]

sister im not denying that a muslim man shouldnt be a gynacologist but that is not the question here... wot is interesting is what he says about how the kuffar speak about muslimahs that come to them and especially the practicing ones...

ultimately akhi if any muslim doctor was that practising he would only have male patients anyway.. so it says much about him that he treats women happily on a daily basis in the non muslim lands where this sort of thing goes on, unless of course there is some necessity involved in him treating a woman in emergency situation.

personally i dont have any choice but to see a male doctor because there is no female doctor in my area but then i live in a very different situation to most so again its only in the case of necessity and when i live in the muslim lands insha Allah ta ala i will only see female doctors inshaAllah.

[$HugoBoss$]

Well when i'm a doc inshallah, i don't think i can reject female patients but i would make sure they would have a mahrum with them. For the sisters it's better to go to a female doc, depending on what the problem is.

[S@Z]

Perv alert :outta:and just a coupla hours ago i was having a discussion with someone about how "gay male gynaes look" :rubeyes:

[Al-Irhaab]

LOL, I find it funny how irhaabo thinks the bigger issue is what the nonMuslim gynacologists say.. dude they don't have Islam to guide them, or Islamic moral code and law to live within. Yes you expect ALL doctors to be ethical in their practice.

But what is worse is a Muslim who does have Islam and all that comes with it for ignore it all and do the same as the nonMuslim.. at the end of the day, he is spreading the filth by relating what they say on to you. It is the same thing... only it's worse 'cuz he's Muslim.

he never said anything about any muslimah *rolleyes* perhaps u shld ask before accusing someone... he said wot the kuffar talk about in regards to muslimahs he didnt say so and so was like this or that... and exactly they dont have a moral code so how any muslimah can go to them is beyond belief

[heaven2002]

Well when i'm a doc inshallah, i don't think i can reject female patients but i would make sure they would have a mahrum with them. For the sisters it's better to go to a female doc, depending on what the problem is.

what if they dont have mehram will you still treat them? and what about non muslim women that come to you, and might have to look at them in a state of undress?
is that allowed if ur a doc:scratch:

[Al-Irhaab]

bet there are no muslim women wanting to specialise in men's health:D

we got more sense

and there are very few who specialise in womens health aswell... so sense i dont think is with either of them

[heaven2002]

^^^ true true
have you ever asked this gynacologist why he chose to specialise in that field?

[Al-Irhaab]

^^^ true true
have you ever asked this gynacologist why he chose to specialise in that field?

nah if i ever got the chance to speak to him properly believe me that would be the top of my question list because looking at awrah unncessarily was the major reason i chose not to pursue medicine ...

[Chained_Water]

he never said anything about any muslimah *rolleyes* perhaps u shld ask before accusing someone... he said wot the kuffar talk about in regards to muslimahs he didnt say so and so was like this or that... and exactly they dont have a moral code so how any muslimah can go to them is beyond belief
It's not about saying so and so or specifying the person, he still passed on what kind of things were said. That is bad enough.

What do you mean it is beyond belief. When there is a NEED for medical reasons and no other option, then it is allowed to see a non Muslim male doctor, so who are you to question how any Muslimah can do so.

Don't be so pompous about it. :rolleyes:

[`asiya]

and there are very few who specialise in womens health aswell... so sense i dont think is with either of them

3 of the 4 gynacologists at our hospital are muslim men.. and the one who comes over on contract to cover holidays etc is muslim too ... all specialise in gynacology all are muslims born and trained in the muslim lands from various reigons of the world ... :S maybe we just have a glut of all the muslim male gynecologists congregating in my area or something ...

so for those who cannot see a muslim female doctor then what about the kuffar women doctors ? they dont gossip ? the women are more trustworthy then than the male non muslim ? i mean if u want to base it on them being non muslim, then male or female it makes no odds, so how about those muslimahs who cannot see either a female doctor, or a male muslim doctor then what ? they still have no haya ? or no choice ?

[Chained_Water]

Sorry but I find it highly offensive for anyone to try and raise a finger at any practising Muslimahs sense of haya. Such people should fear Allah and repent over their arrogance and judgemental nature. How dare anyone try to say a sister lacks in haya if she sees a non Muslim male doctor. What a disgusting attitude.

[$HugoBoss$]

what if they dont have mehram will you still treat them? and what about non muslim women that come to you, and might have to look at them in a state of undress?
is that allowed if ur a doc:scratch:

I'm not to sure as a doctor were suppose to but as a muslim i think that would be strongly prohibited as you know. I'll have to talk to a sheikh about it or do some reasearch. If my fiance decides to become a family doctor than we will open up our own clinic and she can see all the female patients, if it works out that way.

[Chained_Water]

I'm not to sure as a doctor were suppose to but as a muslim i think that would be strongly prohibited as you know. I'll have to talk to a sheikh about it or do some reasearch. If my fiance decides to become a family doctor than we will open up our own clinic and she can see all the female patients, if it works out that way.
How could you turn away someone in need?

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=14371&CATE=462

[Al-Irhaab]

It's not about saying so and so or specifying the person, he still passed on what kind of things were said. That is bad enough.

What do you mean it is beyond belief. When there is a NEED for medical reasons and no other option, then it is allowed to see a non Muslim male doctor, so who are you to question how any Muslimah can do so.

Don't be so pompous about it. :rolleyes:

no there is nothing wrong with what he said as he did not speak about any particular person so islamically its fully permitted what he said... dont start making ur own fatwas up *rolleyes*

if there is no other option that is a different matter.... however when little or no effort is made beforehand and certain families dont even insist on a female doctor thats when u see what haya means to them

[Chained_Water]

no there is nothing wrong with what he said as he did not speak about any particular person so islamically its fully permitted what he said... dont start making ur own fatwas up *rolleyes*

if there is no other option that is a different matter.... however when little or no effort is made beforehand and certain families dont even insist on a female doctor thats when u see what haya means to them

So you are saying it's ok for men to unnecessarily relate discussions about the initimate areas of the female anatomy?

At the end of the day he is irresponsible as a doctor. He should have reported those other men for breaching doctor patient confedentiality and should not have gone around telling other people who have nothing to do with it "Oh you should hear what they said.. blah blah blah"

[$HugoBoss$]

How could you turn away someone in need?

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=14371&CATE=462

Interesting jazakallah for this.

[Al-Irhaab]

So you are saying it's ok for men to unnecessarily relate discussions about the initimate areas of the female anatomy?

At the end of the day he is irresponsible as a doctor. He should have reported those other men for breaching doctor patient confedentiality and should not have gone around telling other people who have nothing to do with it "Oh you should hear what they said.. blah blah blah"

why do u make up stories without verification its a bad habit u need to get rid off... he didnt give any intimate details about anyone... he said these kuffar talk about womens intimate details... u see the difference between the two... and he did say it for a reason to warn muslims from sending their wives to these filthy animals.... and yeah report a doctor with what proof exactly? and u think they gonna take it anywhere....

[`asiya]

why do u make up stories without verification its a bad habit u need to get rid off... he didnt give any intimate details about anyone... he said these kuffar talk about womens intimate details... u see the difference between the two... and he did say it for a reason to warn muslims from sending their wives to these filthy animals.... and yeah report a doctor with what proof exactly? and u think they gonna take it anywhere....

bro so what then about non muslim women doctors... as u know women are more renowned than men for gossiping and backbiting etc. ... so what makes u think a non muslim woman would be any better than a non muslim male doctor based on the rationale that non muslims are not trustworthy....

see honestly then we have to get down to how "practising" the muslim doctor is, wether male or female cos honestly just cos someone is a muslim doesnt prevent them from gossipping about u ...

[Chained_Water]

why do u make up stories without verification its a bad habit u need to get rid off... he didnt give any intimate details about anyone... he said these kuffar talk about womens intimate details... u see the difference between the two... and he did say it for a reason to warn muslims from sending their wives to these filthy animals.... and yeah report a doctor with what proof exactly? and u think they gonna take it anywhere....
Then your initial statements sounded somewhat misleading "trust me you do not want to choose non muslim male doctors over muslim male doctors.... you should see how they talk about muslim women especially hijabi women and the kind of personal details they divulge to 'friends and colleagues' about muslim sisters...." surely you can see how the language you used here made it seem you were privy to what was said and not just told that things do get said. Anyway I apologise for any error on my part.

And yes he SHOULD report it regardless, as a matter of principle and professional responsibility.

And you lie about me having a habit of making up stories without verification.

[ur_yusra]

bro so what then about non muslim women doctors... as u know women are more renowned than men for gossiping and backbiting etc. ... so what makes u think a non muslim woman would be any better than a non muslim male doctor based on the rationale that non muslims are not trustworthy....

see honestly then we have to get down to how "practising" the muslim doctor is, wether male or female cos honestly just cos someone is a muslim doesnt prevent them from gossipping about u ...

What if the non muslim woman is gay :rubeyes:

[Chained_Water]

What if the non muslim woman is gay :rubeyes:
What if the Muslim woman is?

[ur_yusra]

What if the Muslim woman is?

:rubeyes:

I think its my bedtime

[`asiya]

:rubeyes: see at the end of the day u just have to do what u can...fear Allah ta ala to the best of ur ability.. cos these days u just never know...

[Chained_Water]

:rubeyes:

I think its my bedtime

Ni nite sis :love:

:D

[Al-Irhaab]

Then your initial statements sounded somewhat misleading "trust me you do not want to choose non muslim male doctors over muslim male doctors.... you should see how they talk about muslim women especially hijabi women and the kind of personal details they divulge to 'friends and colleagues' about muslim sisters...." surely you can see how the language you used here made it seem you were privy to what was said and not just told that things do get said. Anyway I apologise for any error on my part.

And yes he SHOULD report it regardless, as a matter of principle and professional responsibility.

And you lie about me having a habit of making up stories without verification.

no all you had to do was ask... and its not a lie youve said it assumed things a few time in just this thread...but my apologies if it offended you

[angel*]

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