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Ahl al-Kitab
20-01-03, 02:57 PM
I've been looking at Islam quite a bit but I've never heard of Qurbani, what is it?

seven
20-01-03, 03:10 PM
it's the zabihah

Ahl al-Kitab
22-01-03, 12:40 PM
uhhh... I'm really sorry, call me an ignorant punk, but I don't know what zabihah is either...

Qurratulain
22-01-03, 12:50 PM
lols its like if I am right the sacrificing of the animal,when the animal is slaughtered

reachin'out
22-01-03, 01:12 PM
Qurbani: The animal Sacrificed by a Muslim after the day of Arafat (10th, 11th, or 12th) if they were not actually performing the Hajj pilgrimmage, (such a sacrifice is considered obligatory by the Hanifi Madhab, I think).

Zabihah: The animal slaughtered in Allah's name. A Christian or Jew's Zabihah is considered to be halal for Muslim's to eat, as well as their own Zabihah.

May Allah guide you.

Qurratulain
22-01-03, 01:39 PM
Assalamulaikom
JazakAllah, I always thought they both meant same:o

Ahl al-Kitab
22-01-03, 05:38 PM
Ah! I see now, thank you!

Tell me, what is the significance of sacrificing the animal? Does it mean anything symbolically?

reachin'out
22-01-03, 06:55 PM
I am sure you know the meaning of sacrifice, and the concept of it. When you sacrifice something, it costs you to do it - but the benefits are tangible.

You Christians believe Allah Sactificed Jesus as an atonement for your sin. What cost this was to Allah I can't quite figure, since his wealth is infinite and anything He had killed would be meaningless to Him in terms of sacrifice. He need but resurrect it or make a new one. No loss. No gain.

But a human making a sacrifice does so for gain. An instance. A man may sacrifice his family life in order to earn money for a better standard of material living. A woman may sacrifice her role as mother and home keeper in order to provide the family with excellent quality holidays in the summer. And so on.

Animals, and husbandry is a (self) renewable and (self) generating source of wealth provided by Allah, and each animal represents a sizable chunk not only of actual wealth but potential future wealth as well. For a person to sacrifice a whole sheep or goat for each person in the family (or a cow or a camel for every 5 members) represents a sizable sacrifice.

On top of that, the family that makes the sacrifice is obligated to distribute the meat among A) their neighbours (a third) B) their own nuclear and extended family (a third) C) the poor, making the act a charitable service to the community.

Sacrifices on certain days, of course, have a certain symbolism. The Adha sacrifice is to commemorate the "greatest day" for supplications to be answered (while on the Hajj), and the moment of sacrifice gives the non Hajj goer a chance at having their supplications answered when made at the moment of sacrifice.

Secondly, the making of such a sacrifice gaurantees that all your sins from the previous year are forgiven.

Any other symbolism? I'll let others answer, since thay may know something (being brought up in the religion) that I don't.

I'll let others reply concerning sacrifices made on other occasions (such as the birth/naming of a child).

May Allah Guide you

Banu
22-01-03, 07:30 PM
Qurbani or sacrifice of an animal is the sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim ASW. When Ibrahim ASW only son (at that time) Prophet Ismail reached the age of understanding, Pophet Ibrahim ASW received Allah's command in dream to sacrifice his dear and only one son. The virtuous son of a virtuous father, who himself was to be a Prophet of Allah, Ismail unhesitingly consented and asked his father to carry out Allah's command. It was at a place called Muna where Prophet Ibrahim took his son Ismail and was about to carry out the command when Allah call reached Ibrahim saying that he had passed the test and that he should instead sacrifice an animal. Thus this is the sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim. And the holy Prophet carried out this sunnah as well. It is now part of Haj ritual. This is called " Dum-e-Sukrana". Out of three method of Haj, namely Fard, Tamaattu and Qiraan, Dume-e-sukrana is obligatory in the last two kinds.
It is as well obligatory for Muslims who has the means to sacrifcie the animal even if they are not performing Haj at their places/countries of residence.
The period of sacrifice is from 10th Zilhajja to 12th Zilhajjaa.

Ahl al-Kitab
23-01-03, 04:27 AM
Interesting...

The Biblical concept of sacrifice is different than that. In the Bible, sacrifice does not have anything to do with the sacrificer losing anything. Rather, it has to do with substitution. In the Old Testament the animal took the place of the person sacrificing it. The story of Ibrahim sacrificing his son is symbolic of this because God provided a ram to take Ibrahim's son's place. Even with Adam and Eve we see this idea of substitution. In the Biblical account we read that God provided skins for Adam and Eve to wear after they sinned, that means that an animal had to die to cover their nakedness (sin).

So when it comes to Jesus, HE was sacrificed to take the place of sinful man. The Bible says that whoever sins deserves to die and go to hell. If God were to simply wave His hand and say "You're forgiven" He's be unjust because He said that sin must be punished. So sin was punished by the cross. Jesus took the punishment for those that believe in Him.

At least that's the Biblical view...

jamila
23-01-03, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by Ahl al-Kitab
Interesting...

The Biblical concept of sacrifice is different than that. In the Bible, sacrifice does not have anything to do with the sacrificer losing anything. Rather, it has to do with substitution. In the Old Testament the animal took the place of the person sacrificing it. The story of Ibrahim sacrificing his son is symbolic of this because God provided a ram to take Ibrahim's son's place. Even with Adam and Eve we see this idea of substitution. In the Biblical account we read that God provided skins for Adam and Eve to wear after they sinned, that means that an animal had to die to cover their nakedness (sin).

So when it comes to Jesus, HE was sacrificed to take the place of sinful man. The Bible says that whoever sins deserves to die and go to hell. If God were to simply wave His hand and say "You're forgiven" He's be unjust because He said that sin must be punished. So sin was punished by the cross. Jesus took the punishment for those that believe in Him.

At least that's the Biblical view...

How weird! Takes all kinds, I suppose. ;)

Jamila :)

jamila
23-01-03, 05:32 AM
I just looked up 'sacrifice' in Websters Collegiate to check if Ahl's interpretation had any linguistic basis.

NOUN
1. An act of offering to deity something precious- especially the killing of a victim on an alter.

comment:
a) the sacrifice of a Muslim is the offer of an animal - the symbol and basis of the wealth that Allah bestows.
b) alters are not used for sacrifices in Islam since they are associated with pagan rites. This, however, is associated with the biblical rites of the Jews.

2. Something offered in sacrifice.

comment:
a) Ritual sacrifice is associated with 3 kinds of animal. i) bovine ii) Ovine iii) Cameline (!?! - what's the correct biological term?)
b) Biblical sacrifice is usually associated with young ovine animals (lambs)

3. a) destruction or surrender of something for the sake of something else
3. b) something given up or lost

comment:
This meaning seems to be the 'biblical' meaning Ahl explained (on the one hand). Equally, however, it applies to the Muslim concept of 'gaining forgiveness' in place of the property (animal) sacrificed in the name of Allah (on the other).

VERB
1. to offer as sacrifice

2. to suffer the loss of OR give up OR renounce OR injur OR destroy (SOMETHING) especially for an ideal OR belief OR end.

4. to make OR perform the rites of sacrifice

It seem the concept of LOSS in one aspect of life for the sake of GAIN in another aspect of life is an integral part of sacrifice.

How exactly does that concept fit into the 'biblical' definition provided in this thread?

Jamila :)

BOY-NICE
27-01-03, 02:21 PM
Qurbani is hindi/urdu word

Ruqayyah
06-02-03, 03:38 AM
Virtues of Sacrifice - Udhiyyah(Qurbaani)

~"Sacrificing (animals) has been ordained on every Ummah so that the Name of Allah is mentioned on these particular animals which Allah has bestowed on them..." (Surah An'aam)
~"We have made the sacrifice of camels and cows among the salient features of (the Deen) of Allah. There is benefit in it for you." (Surah Hajj)
~"Neither the flesh (of the sacrificed animals) nor their blood reach Allah. But, it is your taqwa (piety and sincerity of heart) which reaches Him. Convey glad tidings to the sincere ones." (Surah Hajj)
~"Perform Salaat for your Rabb and sacrifice (animals)." (Surah Kauthar)
~“Truly my prayer, my sacrifice, My life and death, are all for Allâh; the Rabb of the Worlds.”
~Hadhrat Ayesha (radiallahu anha) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "During the days of Qurbaani there is no deed of man more loved by Allah Ta'ala than sacrificing of animals. On the Day of Qiyaamah the sacrificed animal will arise with its horns, hair and hoofs. Allah Ta’ala accepts the sacrificed animal before the blood reaches the ground. Therefore, render the Qurbaani wholeheartedly and happily." (Ibn Majah, Tirmizi, Hakim)
~Hadhrat Zaid bin Arqam (radiallahu anhu) narrates that the Sahaabah enquired from Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) about the Qurbaani practice. Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "It is the way of your father, Ibraheem (alayhis salaam)." The Sahabah asked: "What will we acquire by it?" Rasullullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) replied: "A good deed (is recorded for you) in return for every hair (on its body)." The Sahaabah asked: "0 Rasulullah! If there is wool on the body?" Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "A good deed in return for every strand (of wool on its body)." (Hakim, Ibn Majah)
~Hadhrat Ali (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said to Faatimah (radiallahu anha): "0 Faatimah! Get up and be present at your Qurbaani (when it is about to be slaughtered). All your sins are forgiven as the first drop of its blood reaches the earth. Remember that on the Day of Qurbaani its flesh and blood will be brought and after increasing it by seventy times, it will be placed in your Scale of good deeds." Its flesh and blood will be brought and after increasing it by seventy times, it will be placed in your Scale of good deeds." Hadhrat Abu Saeed (radiallahu anhu) asked: "0 Rasulullah! Is this reward exclusive for the Family of Muhammad? Truly, they deserve such great thawaab-or is this thawaab for all Muslims as well?" Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "For the Family of Muhammad as well as for all Muslims in general." (Isbahaani)
~Hadhrat Husain Ibn Ali (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The Qurbaani rendered wholeheartedly, happily and with sincerity of intention will on the Day of Qiyaamah be a shield against Jahannum for the sacrificer." (Tibrani)
~Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "He who is by the means but does not render the Qurbaani, should not come to our place of Eid Salaah." (Targheeb)
~Hadhrat Abu Talha (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) sacrificed one sheep for himself and one sheep on behalf of his Ummah. In this regard Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "This Qurbaani is for the one in my Ummah who believes in me and who acknowledges me." (Musali, Kabiri, Ausat)
~Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radiallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Fatten your animals (of sacrifice-feed them well), for they will be your mounts on the Siraat (the Bridge over Jahannum)." (Kanzul Ummaal)
~There is nothing dearer to Allah during the days of Qurbani than the sacrificing of animals. The sacrificed animal shall come on the Day of Judgement with its horns, hair, and hooves (to be weighed). Allah accepts the sacrifice before the blood reaches the ground. Therefore sacrifice with an open and happy heart. (Tirmizi, Ibne Majah)
~Hadhrat Husain bin Ali(radhiyallahu anhu) reported that Rasulullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) said that: " Whosoever sacrifices with sincerity and for virtue, will enjoy this sacrifice as the cause of safety from Jahannam." (Tabraani)
~Hadhrat Abdullah bin Abbas(radhiyallahu anhu) reported that Rasulullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) said that: " The best expenditure on the Day of Eid-ul-Adha is to spend one's money in sacrifice." (Tabraani, Isbahaani)
~Hadhrat Ayesha(radhiyallahu anha) reported that Rasulullah(sallallahu alaiyhi wassallam) said that: " For every hair of sacrifice, one virtue is recorded." (Tirmizi)