Help! : Making My First Website

[Al Qiyamah]

:salams brothers and sisters

erm , http://forums.mpadc.com/images/smilies/redface.gif .I would like some help..http://forums.mpadc.com/images/smilies/smile.gif Insha'Allah!

basically, I'm taking an Applied Business course, for AS Level, and in a part of the units we cover, we have to make a website. Now this assignment has recently been given to us. We are expected to produce a website, of at least 10 web pages. The websites purpose must be selling something...

I've thought about various things, and considered many ideas, and most of them were taken by fellow class mates! but I've concluded in producing a website selling Nasheeds http://forums.mpadc.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif which is funny I guess as I didn't really expect myself to be doing Nasheeds!! out of all things Subhan'Allah

so now, due to the lack of time ..and other stuff, we've been given this to do ..using Front Page, and only that! I've personally never used this before n we've just been taught the basics.

AND we're not actually going to sell the products, we're just establishing an online presence for selling them.. ok that probably doesn't make sense...but basically making a website, while learning how things like order forms are supposed to look etc. The efficiency, capability of producing web pages consisting of things like hyper links etc, the ease of navigation and more will be assessed.

Any tips on how I can do a lot of work, in short time? Does anybody here know of any good sites that would be of use to me? ..say for example I was allowed to add animation etc where would I look for them? keeping in mind, I'd like to maintain an Islamic theme Insha'Allah but at the same time its just got to be 'user-friendly' therefore, easy for non Muslims as well...I'm actually confused in what I should do to actually start this now...

..say for example ...I have an image that I want as a background picture on my webpages...I know how to add a background..via format>background>browse>insert the pic....but how do I change it so that the picture doesn't come out tiled? because when I do this, the pic comes out tiled throughout the whole page..n I'm not sure how I change it....:confused:

[Abu Muslim]

Walaykum Salam ukhtee,

A few quick questions.

How good does it have to be? Are you actually gonna sell them? [i.e you need some sort of payment], when does it have to be in for? and do you want "help" making the website and do it yourself..or do you want me to make a quick one for you?

5 marks for each question, you have 10 minutues, you may begin.

[souljaa]

Wa Alaykumus Salaam

If you come across a decent nasheed website, just copy their coding and put it in your work and you got an A inshAllah :D

[Al Qiyamah]

:salams

Walaykum Salam ukhtee,

A few quick questions.

How good does it have to be?

lol ..its an assignment, will be assessed so I guess..as good as to get me a fair grade :insha: :p
Are you actually gonna sell them? [i.e you need some sort of payment], when does it have to be in for? and do you want "help" making the website and do it yourself..or do you want me to make a quick one for you?
NOOOO..that would be cheating lol ..i.e. in making you do one for me...:rubeyes:..I'd like to try :insha: deadline is in about 3/4 weeks..just help in terms of tips and stuff would be appreciated :o 5 marks for each question, you have 10 minutues, you may begin.
:eek:

[Abu Muslim]

lol ..its an assignment, will be assessed so I guess..as good as to get me a fair grade :insha: :p


NOOOO..that would be cheating lol ..i.e. in making you do one for me...:rubeyes:..I'd like to try :insha: dealine is in about 3/4 weeks..just help in terms of tips and stuff would be appreciated :o

:eek:

9/10 for the answers, lol I meant how good as in, pro good but then I guess you answered it, good enough to get you an A insha'Allah. 4weeks is plenty time bi'ithnillah.

Firstly you gotta come up with a name and a logo and some sort of colour scheme would help, try to keep it simple.

I'll get back to you on the frontpage, Im on the mac right now and it dont have frontpage so gonna have to turn on the PC and stuff and yea.

EDIT: Found out about the frontpage thing, basically you gotta get a big image if you dont want it tiled. Personally, I think images look a bit tacky, keep it a simple colour thats not too hard on the eyes, or if you want an image, pick a simple one..but you gotta stretch it to 1200x800 pixels.

[Al Qiyamah]

Wa Alaykumus Salaam

If you come across a decent nasheed website, just copy their coding and put it in your work and you got an A inshAllah :D

:salams

but I wouldn't be doing any work for the grade I get in the end :(

[souljaa]

:salams

but I wouldn't be doing any work for the grade I get in the end :(

Lol...Haven't you used any other software apart from Frontpage? Like Dreamweaver?

[Al Qiyamah]

9/10 for the answers, lol I meant how good as in, pro good but then I guess you answered it, good enough to get you an A insha'Allah. 4weeks is plenty time bi'ithnillah.

Firstly you gotta come up with a name and a logo and some sort of colour scheme would help, try to keep it simple.

I'll get back to you on the frontpage, Im on the mac right now and it dont have frontpage so gonna have to turn on the PC and stuff and yea.

:salams

hmm our teachers expectations are hard to understand :rubeyes:..so yeh , just going to do as much as I can...and don't think she'll be expecting anything too 'pro' ..so it should be ok..afterall its only AS.

Name..hmm..how does Nasheed Central ..sound? :o :smack: I don't really like what I'm doing..as its not 'interesting' ..like something where I'm going to learn new things from about the products etc..but I guess..it'll be good to try.

:jkk: n :insha: @ frontpage...

Logo I've got ideas on paper..need to make it so that its becomes graphic :insha: there was something else I was going to ask..oh yeh..you know, how on thenasheedshop.com..there are samples of tracks..how do I do that ?? i.e. just have a part of the nasheed playing..so that the potential buyers can hear samples of it..:confused:

we're not going to actually sell ...but it might be done, to see if everything works etc just among us classmates.

[Al Qiyamah]

Lol...Haven't you used any other software apart from Frontpage? Like Dreamweaver?

:salams

nope, ..because lack of time etc..our teacher said only FrontPage, as its the easiest ..apparently.

[Abu Muslim]

hmm our teachers expectations are hard to understand :rubeyes:..so yeh , just going to do as much as I can...and don't think she'll be expecting anything too 'pro' ..so it should be ok..afterall its only AS.

Name..hmm..how does Nasheed Central ..sound? :o :smack: I don't really like what I'm doing..as its not 'interesting' ..like something where I'm going to learn new things from about the products etc..but I guess..it'll be good to try.

:salams

:jkk: n :insha: @ frontpage...

Logo I've got ideas on paper..need to make it so that its becomes graphic :insha: there was something else I was going to ask..oh yeh..you know, how on thenasheedshop.com..there are samples of tracks..how do I do that ?? i.e. just have a part of the nasheed playing..so that the potential buyers can hear samples of it..:confused:

we're not going to actually sell ...but it might be done, to see if everything works etc just among us classmates.

Barak'Allah hu feeki.

Nasheed Central sounds fine insha'Allah, not like this is a business plan to take over the e-commerce world or something. Plus they kinda suprised you so you didnt have time to find something "interesting" to research.

Make a quick temp logo just as an imageholder. Your going to need to think about the buttons you need, dont make too many. Suggestion is have:

Nasheed Cnetral [home page]
Nasheeds [and then below it link to each individual nasheed artist?]

To have it like nasheedshop, you have 2 options:

You can change it so when everyone opens and indivual page direct to the album, it plays the sample in the background automatically like simplyislam.com

Or

You can "borrow" nasheed shops coding for that, otherwise, you're going to have to host all the nasheed samples somewhere..

[Al Qiyamah]

Barak'Allah hu feeki.

Nasheed Central sounds fine insha'Allah, not like this is a business plan to take over the e-commerce world or something. Plus they kinda suprised you so you didnt have time to find something "interesting" to research.

Make a quick temp logo just as an imageholder. Your going to need to think about the buttons you need, dont make too many. Suggestion is have:

Nasheed Cnetral [home page]
Nasheeds [and then below it link to each individual nasheed artist?]

To have it like nasheedshop, you have 2 options:

You can change it so when everyone opens and indivual page direct to the album, it plays the sample in the background automatically like simplyislam.com

Or

You can "borrow" nasheed shops coding for that, otherwise, you're going to have to host all the nasheed samples somewhere..

:salams

..hmm ..as soon as my teacher gives me an intro to the corel draw thingy I can make the logo. :insha:

I'm not sure what I should do..oh yeh we're allowed to take images and things..from what is already available on the net..so 'borrowing' can be done :p ..how do u get the 'codings' ? :confused:

I'm still thinking about what my template should be for all the web pages..:scratch:

[Abu Muslim]

:salams

..hmm ..as soon as my teacher gives me an intro to the corel draw thingy I can make the logo. :insha:

I'm not sure what I should do..oh yeh we're allowed to take images and things..from what is already available on the net..so 'borrowing' can be done :p ..how do u get the 'codings' ? :confused:

I'm still thinking about what my template should be for all the web pages..:scratch:


Walaykum Salam,
Actually yea, what would be easier, open frontpage..and take on of their templates. That should sort you out with the buttons and then you can change the logo yourself.

You might want to take the nasheed album covers from nasheedsgop then, right click > save as.. or copy and paste may work.

To get the source, on firefox, click view > page source..

But a lot may not make sense to you..

[Al Qiyamah]

Walaykum Salam,
Actually yea, what would be easier, open frontpage..and take on of their templates. That should sort you out with the buttons and then you can change the logo yourself.

You might want to take the nasheed album covers from nasheedsgop then, right click > save as.. or copy and paste may work.

To get the source, on firefox, click view > page source..

But a lot may not make sense to you..



:salams

yep @ a LOT not making sense to me.. :D ..but this will help me learn :insha: :rolleyes:

:insha: ..@ the album piccy's..but ..I'm going to have to take some pictures of my own..as miss said that we have to show we can do this i.e. with camera ..etc..so I'll probs just take a few CD's in school and take pictures..do you think that would be sufficient?

really?!! Front Page has it's own templates?!! where?! :eek:

[Abu Muslim]

:salams

yep @ a LOT not making sense to me.. :D ..but this will help me learn :insha: :rolleyes:

:insha: ..@ the album piccy's..but ..I'm going to have to take some pictures of my own..as miss said that we have to show we can do this i.e. with camera ..etc..so I'll probs just take a few CD's in school and take pictures..do you think that would be sufficient?

really?!! Front Page has it's own templates?!! where?! :eek:

Walaykum Salam,
Lol, ignore a lot of it, all you want is what is between "" and "" but to be honest, the nasheedshop site has got a lot of extra coding, so it wil porbably just confused you even more.

Yea, the camera one will do, but I advise taking pics of the cd covers rather than the CD itself cos that would just look funny.

And ah man, dunlaa @ frontpage...I just switched the PC off, insha'Allah will find out tomrow, cant remember off by heart but I know its got it for sure..

[belal1]

sis, frontpage makes developing sites super easy (and only compatible with IE, because it's also a nasty product from a nasty corporation). first I would suggest you think about the layout of the site. look at sites you might want to get inspiration from. think about how many columns it should have, should it have a banner/header? should it have a footer? (i would say yes)... think about the menu navigation and how u want it to be.

since you'll be selling nasheeds, u'd want something that can be scaled to have a few albums u'd be selling, to many hundreds or even thousands (that's good management thinking :up: )

think about your target audience, what kind of things would they be drawn in by? should u include a lot of islamic content? should u include music/nasheed? or instrument-free nasheed? think about the colors....stuff like that.

i would say, draw everything up on paper, it'll be easy to implement later on if u already can picture it.

if u need help in learning frontpage, u can try the following tutorials, ranging from super easy for total beginners, to more intermediate and advanced:

http://www.actden.com/fp2000/java/index.htm

http://www.webworksite.com/fptutorials.shtml

u should be just fine with the top two links. the first link is for total beginners and aimed at high school students, while the second link is more for college kids and more straight forward. the last link is for step by step instructions for when u want to implement each part of ur site like menu bar, forms , etc.

http://www.fgcu.edu/support/office2000/frontpage/

[Suliman]

Asalaamu alikum

Frontpage sucks, thats the end of it. You would be much better off using something such as notepad++ (google it) and check resources here> http://www.w3schools.com/ If you have any other trouble, post up here and I'll see if I can help out.

Also do you have to code the site as your work, or can you use a CMS (Content Management System) and the work is mainly setting up, designing and maintaining the site?

Cos if you can use a CMS this would save you a huge amount of time.

[belal1]

Asalaamu alikum

Frontpage sucks, thats the end of it. You would be much better off using something such as notepad++ (google it) and check resources here> http://www.w3schools.com/ If you have any other trouble, post up here and I'll see if I can help out.

Also do you have to code the site as your work, or can you use a CMS (Content Management System) and the work is mainly setting up, designing and maintaining the site?

Cos if you can use a CMS this would save you a huge amount of time.

she has to use frontpage as per the assignment requirement. maybe M$ paid some $$$ to school admins :torture:

[Al Qiyamah]

:salams



EDIT: Found out about the frontpage thing, basically you gotta get a big image if you dont want it tiled. Personally, I think images look a bit tacky, keep it a simple colour thats not too hard on the eyes, or if you want an image, pick a simple one..but you gotta stretch it to 1200x800 pixels.


oh ok..:insha: I've decided not to have a image as a background too...its hard then choosing a text that is easy to read afterwards..hmm..me is going for All Black atm @) ..might change it later...I've left the pictures for albums and possible thumbnails..

Walaykum Salam,
Lol, ignore a lot of it, all you want is what is between "" and "" but to be honest, the nasheedshop site has got a lot of extra coding, so it wil porbably just confused you even more.

Yea, the camera one will do, but I advise taking pics of the cd covers rather than the CD itself cos that would just look funny.

And ah man, dunlaa @ frontpage...I just switched the PC off, insha'Allah will find out tomrow, cant remember off by heart but I know its got it for sure..

Lol :p yeh I won't take pictures of the actual CD's :smack:

:insha: n :jkk:. :up:

sis, frontpage makes developing sites super easy (and only compatible with IE, because it's also a nasty product from a nasty corporation). first I would suggest you think about the layout of the site. look at sites you might want to get inspiration from. think about how many columns it should have, should it have a banner/header? should it have a footer? (i would say yes)... think about the menu navigation and how u want it to be.

since you'll be selling nasheeds, u'd want something that can be scaled to have a few albums u'd be selling, to many hundreds or even thousands (that's good management thinking :up: )

think about your target audience, what kind of things would they be drawn in by? should u include a lot of islamic content? should u include music/nasheed? or instrument-free nasheed? think about the colors....stuff like that.

i would say, draw everything up on paper, it'll be easy to implement later on if u already can picture it.

if u need help in learning frontpage, u can try the following tutorials, ranging from super easy for total beginners, to more intermediate and advanced:

http://www.actden.com/fp2000/java/index.htm

http://www.webworksite.com/fptutorials.shtml

u should be just fine with the top two links. the first link is for total beginners and aimed at high school students, while the second link is more for college kids and more straight forward. the last link is for step by step instructions for when u want to implement each part of ur site like menu bar, forms , etc.

http://www.fgcu.edu/support/office2000/frontpage/

yeh I've started doing a plan of the whole website on A3 paper so then I'm not making it up as I go along..which might be harder n more time consuming :jkk: that was v.helpful :up: ..especially the links Masha'Allah I like the second one and will be referring back to it for help :)

hmm..I was thinking of the Nasheed types...how many artists should I do? I'll stick to non music Nasheeds ...so people like Dawud, Zain, Ahmed Bukhatir, Kamal Uddin, ..and maybe others who only use the Daff? like Shaam etc..

Asalaamu alikum

Frontpage sucks, thats the end of it. You would be much better off using something such as notepad++ (google it) and check resources here> http://www.w3schools.com/ If you have any other trouble, post up here and I'll see if I can help out.

Also do you have to code the site as your work, or can you use a CMS (Content Management System) and the work is mainly setting up, designing and maintaining the site?

Cos if you can use a CMS this would save you a huge amount of time.

:wswrwb:

I'm not too sure what you mean by 'code' the site as I work ...erm ..I dunno lol never heard of CMS before :confused:

she has to use frontpage as per the assignment requirement. maybe M$ paid some $$$ to school admins :torture:

tis a possibility? :eek: Dreamweaver looks cool..but don't know how to use it..non of us do..and as it would take time to teach us how to use it, time which we don't have...Frontpage it is.

:wswrwb:

[ammarcool]

sister,

just refer thread here

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123584&page=2

read the post Number 28, 29 & download those EBooks for FREE!

hope inshallah it will give you a jump start!

[Suliman]

Whats the point in using Frontpage, thats like reverse teaching, it's just pointless.

[maksam]

Its very easy just stick with Frontpage and drag and drop! :) Thats where i learnt my skills from!

Also i googled for "Frontpage Tutorials" and i came across this very good website: http://www.electricteacher.com/tutorial2.htm

[tru muslimah]

:hidban::hidban::hidban:

lol ill be using this thread for help too :D
im doing it on a houseware shop. near where I live. insha'ALLAH
this is going to be so annoying :torture:
:zzz:

[nami]

Is this any good?

http://www.popfly.com/

[Sis-B]

:hidban::hidban::hidban:

lol ill be using this thread for help too :D
im doing it on a houseware shop. near where I live. insha'ALLAH
this is going to be so annoying :torture:
:zzz:

you both better do it for the holidays then :mad: or else ...
I know me too :D

[Sis-B]

Is this any good?

http://www.popfly.com/

what is it¿ :scratch:

[belal1]

Is this any good?

http://www.popfly.com/

isn't it popfly.ms ?

sounds like microsoft's approach to a social networking site for geeks. looks very promising though =]

but i bet they'll mess it up by making it vista only or some crap...
and they probably trying to aim this against mugshot.com, redhat's take on geek social networking...

[nami]

isn't it popfly.ms ?

sounds like microsoft's approach to a social networking site for geeks. looks very promising though =]

but i bet they'll mess it up by making it vista only or some crap...
and they probably trying to aim this against mugshot.com, redhat's take on geek social networking...

www.popfly.ms works too.

Apparently it works with xp sp2 according to their site. I was trying to download and try it out but its still in "private" alpha testing.

[nami]

what is it¿ :scratch:

not sure, something to do with html?

[belal1]

not sure, something to do with html?

it's a social networking site, where you can share interfaces, make slideshows with photos from other sites like flickr, make web sites, leave comments to other users, make friends, discover new friends, bla bla bla...

I think mugshot was a lot better....and i never even used that.

edit: i posted the wrong url to mugshot earlier... its mugshot.org , not mugshot.com

[Al Qiyamah]

you both better do it for the holidays then :mad: or else ...
I know me too :D

:salams

:insha: going to try finishing it all in this week :)

yours looks wicked Masha'Allah :up:

[Sis-B]

:smack: :smack: :smack:

why is it that when we save our work, the next time we open it half of the images and buttons we've inserted don't even turn up :rubeyes:
its getting frustrating coz we have to put the buttons and images in again and again and again and agian!!!!!!!! :mad: :help:

[Sis-B]

bump :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ibn suleman]

:smack: :smack: :smack:

why is it that when we save our work, the next time we open it half of the images and buttons we've inserted don't even turn up :rubeyes:
its getting frustrating coz we have to put the buttons and images in again and again and again and agian!!!!!!!! :mad: :help:

i dont know what ur using to make ur website..but the problem might be that teh images are not stored in the smae folder as the main bit of the website ??? :confused:

[Sis-B]

i dont know what ur using to make ur website..but the problem might be that teh images are not stored in the smae folder as the main bit of the website ??? :confused:

we're using frontpage. :smack: :mad: argghghghghgh

[ibn suleman]

we're using frontpage. :smack: :mad: argghghghghgh

oh frontpage...i know a little abt that...only a little though :p

erm yeh thats what happened to me...the images were not in the same folder as the html thing was in....

copy all the images into there, and then link them in..

shud work insha'allah :up:

[nami]

:smack: :smack: :smack:

why is it that when we save our work, the next time we open it half of the images and buttons we've inserted don't even turn up :rubeyes:
its getting frustrating coz we have to put the buttons and images in again and again and again and agian!!!!!!!! :mad: :help:

the images don't get inserted, it just adds a reference to the images, so if you move the images on your hard drive after you have saved your work, they will not appear in your work when you open it again.

maybe that is the problem?

and i don't know anything about frontpage, i haven't used it for years and years...

[belal1]

the images don't get inserted, it just adds a reference to the images, so if you move the images on your hard drive after you have saved your work, they will not appear in your work when you open it again.

maybe that is the problem?

and i don't know anything about frontpage, i haven't used it for years and years...


yup, taht IS the problem. i et when she saved the file, she didn't enable frontpage to re-save the image files into a /images directory that's in the same place as index.html (or whatever her page is).

maybe the sist-B should attach the html file here, then we can inspect it further (and maybe give a few pointers)....

btw , the sis could've easily used NVU, or mozilla's composer...

[nami]

yup, taht IS the problem. i et when she saved the file, she didn't enable frontpage to re-save the image files into a /images directory that's in the same place as index.html (or whatever her page is).

maybe the sist-B should attach the html file here, then we can inspect it further (and maybe give a few pointers)....

btw , the sis could've easily used NVU, or mozilla's composer...

i think in the first post it says its part of her assignment to use frontpage.

[belal1]

i think in the first post it says its part of her assignment to use frontpage.

i know that bro, I meant the other sister who's having problems with images. we don't know if she too needs to use frontpage.

[Suliman]

I spit on the evil that is fronpage






































*spit

[.: Rashid :.]

I spit on the evil that is fronpage







*spit

lol :p

I join you in the spitting action bro :p

*spit*

BTW didn't get your reaction...watcha tink of the new name? :D (whats your wife think lol)

btw belal i did recommend her to use nvu but she said she was specifically intrustced to use only frontpage...

-Rashid

[belal1]

btw belal i did recommend her to use nvu but she said she was specifically intrustced to use only frontpage...


To Sis-B? I was telling her to try NVu...unless that's the same person as the original poster (al qiyamah)

[.: Rashid :.]

To Sis-B? I was telling her to try NVu...unless that's the same person as the original poster (al qiyamah)

lol nah i was talking about OP

-Rashid

[Suliman]

lol :p

I join you in the spitting action bro :p

*spit*

BTW didn't get your reaction...watcha tink of the new name? :D (whats your wife think lol)

btw belal i did recommend her to use nvu but she said she was specifically intrustced to use only frontpage...

-Rashid

lol cool didn't realize it was you :D

Good that you dropped that cruddy 786 rubbish. WELL DONE MATEY!!!

[.: Rashid :.]

lol cool didn't realize it was you :D

Good that you dropped that cruddy 786 rubbish. WELL DONE MATEY!!!

lol the avatar, signature and posting style didn't give it away? :p

-Rashid

[cyber_abdullah]

To Sis-B? I was telling her to try NVu...unless that's the same person as the original poster (al qiyamah)


I'm rather frustrated with nvu. For some inexplicable reason, it does not allow you to create frames. Instead it demands you learn CSS to build websites. Now I know some people will reply "it only takes a few hours to learn basic CSS" but it's the principle. A program should be easy to learn, unfortunately many geeks in the open-source world simply don't share this opinion.

[tru muslimah]

i know that bro, I meant the other sister who's having problems with images. we don't know if she too needs to use frontpage.

all of us do :rubeyes:

[.: Rashid :.]

all of us do :rubeyes:

we didn't realise you all go same college :o

-Rashid

[nami]

I'm rather frustrated with nvu. For some inexplicable reason, it does not allow you to create frames. Instead it demands you learn CSS to build websites. Now I know some people will reply "it only takes a few hours to learn basic CSS" but it's the principle. A program should be easy to learn, unfortunately many geeks in the open-source world simply don't share this opinion.

i do html, css, javascript in a standard text editor (notepad, gedit) and i find it faster and cleaner than all IDEs ...

however, i use vs.net for asp.net. too much hassle trying to compile all the dlls which need compiling and moving into the right locations.

[Sis-B]

we didn't realise you all go same college :o

-Rashid

:smack: how cud ya not realise! :rolleyes: ANYWAY

it dint wrk :( da tings u all said i tried em but still it dint wrk for any of us.

:buttkick:

[tru muslimah]

:smack: :rubeyes:

[.: Rashid :.]

:smack: how cud ya not realise! :rolleyes: ANYWAY

it dint wrk :( da tings u all said i tried em but still it dint wrk for any of us.

:buttkick:

lol...erm...i dunno. How was I supposed to know? :o

And what things didn't work for that? :scratch:

-Rashid

[Sis-B]

lol...erm...i dunno. How was I supposed to know? :o

And what things didn't work for that? :scratch:

-Rashid

its workin now :D:D:D:rofl1::hidban: its fixed

erm.. it was summat 2 do wid da source data :torture: