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<-Deen uL Haq->
13-05-07, 12:20 PM
Asked a imam, he said the sahabas never done it, and it would imitate the christians as they celebrate Eisa alayhisalams bday, and over the years they forgot about Eisa alayhisalam for the whole year and then only remember him on christmas, and if he copied them the same would happen with mulslims?
However:
"The Salaam is on Him the day when he was born and the day when he will die and the day when he will be raised alive." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Al-Maryam, Ayat 15]
"And the same peace on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I would raised alive." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Al Maryum , Ayat 33]
"And remind them of the days of the Allah." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Ibrahim, Ayat5]
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html
urban_rose
13-05-07, 01:02 PM
There are already two lengthy threads on this topic....
Tax-Man
13-05-07, 01:34 PM
Yes
Tax-Man
13-05-07, 01:38 PM
Firstly lets ask our selfs this can anyone picture the prophet after he gained prophet hood telling the sahaba, "yo it's time to get our groove on and celebrate my birthday" I for one can't re-call any such instances and if it was such a important aspect of the deen as some misguided souls think then we wouldn't be here debating it would we after-all there is no issues over the other two eids so why's there conflict over this one, hmm let me think maybe beacuse it doesn't exist.:rolleyes:
Honey87
13-05-07, 01:43 PM
Milad (Is it permissible to celebrate the Prophet's (pbuh) birthday) (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=1776&CATE=108)
:salams
Celebrating the Prophet’s birthday (al-mawlid) is an innovation, and doing special acts of worship on this day such as saying tasbeeh and tahmeed, observing i’tikaaf, reading Qur’aan and fasting is an innovation for which a person will not receive any reward, for these are all rejected.
It was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces anything into this matter of ours that is not part of it will have it rejected.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 2550; Muslim, 1718.
According to a version narrated by Muslim (1718) he said: “Whoever does an action that is not in accordance with this matter of ours will have it rejected.”
Al-Faakihaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
I do not know of any basis for this mawlid in the Qur’aan or Sunnah, and there is no report that any of the scholars of this ummah, who are examples in matters of religion and adhere to the path of those who came before, did this. Rather it is an innovation (bid’ah) which was introduced by those who have nothing better to do, and it is a means for them to have fun and eat a lot.
Al-Mawrid fi ‘Aml al-Mawlid, quoted in Rasaa’il fi Hukm al-Ihtifaal bi’l-Mawlid al-Nabawi, 1/8, 9
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If celebrating the Prophet’s birthday was prescribed, then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have told his ummah of that, because he is the most sincere of people and there is no Prophet after him who could explain anything he did not speak about. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is the Seal of the Prophets and he explained to the people what he had to explain of the truth, such as loving him and following his sharee’ah, sending blessings and salaams upon him and other rights of his that are explained in the Qur’aan and Sunnah. He did not tell his ummah that celebrating the day of his birth was something prescribed so that they would do that. He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do that during his lifetime and his companions (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who were the dearest of people to him and the most knowledgeable of his rights did not celebrate that day, neither did the Rightly-Guided Caliphs or any others. Then those who followed them in truth of the best three generations did not celebrate this day either.
Do you think that all these people were ignorant of his rights or fell short with regard to them, until the later generations came and made up for this shortfall and made the truth complete? No, by Allaah. No wise man who understands the nature of the Sahaabah and how they followed the truth would say this. If you understand that the celebration of the Prophet’s birthday was unknown at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the time of his companions and the time of their earliest followers, you will realize that it is an innovation that has been introduced into the faith, and it is not permissible to do it, approve of it or advocate it, rather we must denounce it and warn people against it.
Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 6/318, 319
link (http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=70317&ln=eng)
Mawlid al-Nabi (the Prophet’s birthday)
Question:
Why some people accept and some unaccept the celebration of the prophet ( )? What is your opinion?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
There is nothing in the Qur’aan to say that we should celebrate the Mawlid or birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet himself (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this or command anyone to do it, either during his lifetime or after his death. Indeed, he told them not to exaggerate about him as the Christians had exaggerated about Jesus (upon whom be peace). He said: “Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam. I am only a slave, so say, ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Reported by al-Bukhaari).
What has been reported is that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said the day of his birth was a day of worship, which is different to celebration. He was asked about fasting on Mondays, and he said: “That is the day on which I was born and the day on which I was entrusted with the Mission ( when I was first given Revelation.)” (Reported by Muslim, al-Nisaa’i and Abu Dawood).
Moreover, we know that the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) were the people who loved the Prophet most. Was it reported that Abu Bakr, who was the closest of people to him and the one who loved him the most, celebrated the birthday of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? Was it reported that ‘Umar, who ruled for twelve years, or ‘Uthmaan, did this? Was it reported that ‘Ali, his relative and foster son, did this? Was it reported that any of the Sahaabah did this? No, by Allaah! Is it because they were not aware of its importance, or did they not truly love the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? No one would say such a thing except one who has gone astray and is leading others astray.
Did any of the imaams – Abu Haneefah, Maalik, al-Shaafi’i, Ahmad, al-Hasan al-Basri, Ibn Seereen – do this or command others to do it or say that it was good? By Allaah, no! It was not even mentioned during the first and best three centuries.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said in a saheeh hadeeth: “The best of mankind are my generation (or my century), then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then there will come a people who will not care if their testimony comes before their oath or vice versa (i.e., they will not take such matter seriously).” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Muslim and al-Tirmidhi).
The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday appeared many centuries later, when many of the features of true religion had vanished and bid’ah had become widespread.
Thus this celebration became a sign of one’s love for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? But can it be possible that the Sahaabah, the imaams and the people of the best three centuries were unaware of it, and it was only those who came later who were aware of its importance?!
What the Qur’aan tells us is that love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is demonstrated by following the guidance he brought. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say (O Muhammad): ‘If you (really) love Allaah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Say: ‘Obey Allaah and the Messenger.’ But if they turn away, then Allaah does not like the disbelievers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:31-32]
The first aayah explains that love is just a claim, but the proof of sincerity is following what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) brought. The second aayah reaffirms the importance and necessity of obeying Allaah and His Messenger. Hence Allaah ended the aayah with a very stern warning in which those who refuse to obey are described as kaafirs, and Allah does not love the disbelievers.
We ask Allaah to keep us safe from that. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us of the danger of not obeying him, and the danger of adding to what he brought.
The celebration of Mawlid or his birthday is indeed an addition to what he brought – as all the scholars agree. He said: “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah, and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The most evil of things are those which are newly-invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” (Reported by Muslim and al-Nisaa’i).
We ask Allaah to protect us from bid’ah and to bless us by helping us to follow. Allaah knows best. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad.
Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
<-Deen uL Haq->
13-05-07, 02:48 PM
Milad un Nabi in blackburn:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tyn0ongj0F8
Islamiyyah
14-05-07, 02:49 PM
Allah aza wa jaal gave us days to celebrate: The holy month of Ramadahn, and the two Eid's. Anything other than that is bid'ah. It's simple.
the Prophet :saw: was a mercy to the whole of mankind...
so why limit celebrating his birthday on a specific date once a year?
we should celebrate his birthday everyday.
the Prophet :saw: was a mercy to the whole of mankind...
so why limit celebrating his birthday on a specific date once a year?
we should celebrate his birthday everyday.
Some people do.
Tax-Man
14-05-07, 03:57 PM
we should celebrate his birthday everyday. Thats the whole argument it's bidah to celebrate the birthday and make it a relgious duty.
(*_Hamzah
14-05-07, 04:02 PM
Thats the who argument it's bidah to celebrate the birthday and make it a relgious duty.
Aye, I've heard it's fardh to do so :rolleyes:
Allah aza wa jaal gave us days to celebrate: The holy month of Ramadahn, and the two Eid's. Anything other than that is bid'ah. It's simple.
JazakAllah.
Abu Mus'ab
14-05-07, 04:06 PM
There are already two lengthy threads on this topic....
Some people are either just too lazy to search for threads, or they just want to cause more arguements, and i know that if this thread goes on longer then it will turn into another one of those cussing threads.
Abu Mus'ab
14-05-07, 04:14 PM
Asked a imam, he said the sahabas never done it, and it would imitate the christians as they celebrate Eisa alayhisalams bday, and over the years they forgot about Eisa alayhisalam for the whole year and then only remember him on christmas, and if he copied them the same would happen with mulslims?
However:
"The Salaam is on Him the day when he was born and the day when he will die and the day when he will be raised alive." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Al-Maryam, Ayat 15]
"And the same peace on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I would raised alive." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Al Maryum , Ayat 33]
"And remind them of the days of the Allah." [Kanzul Iman the translation of Holy Qur'an , Sura Ibrahim, Ayat5]
http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/muslimarticles/milad_question.html
1: the one ayah refers to hazrat yahya alayhis salaam and the other to hazrat Esa alayhis salaam.
2: what are you trying to say? half your post is saying it's bid'ah and the other half is saying it's fine.
3: i can't be bothered *Roll Eyes*
Aye, I've heard it's fardh to do so :rolleyes:
The muslims need to be given holiday on each day to celebrate Milad :rolleyes:
Obviously how people celebrate this is completely wrong, when they light up the streets, hire out cars, play loud music and so on...
But is there any verse in quran or hadith which says that in the prophets time (pbuh) he did something different on his birthday which he didn't do on any other day, or maybe his companions did something different? maybe read a dua? maybe increased the quranic recitation? anything?
sisterKhadija
06-06-07, 02:35 AM
Somewhere I read he fasted on his own birthday as a thanks to Allah for given him life.
We celebrate all the prophets everyday anyway by sending peace and blessings to them. That is better.
ammarcool
06-06-07, 06:42 AM
its BIDAH!
Rather celebrating one should think is he/her is practising the lifestyle of beloved Prophet (PBUH) & the commands of Almighty or not?
Abandoned-Mind
29-06-07, 05:48 AM
Somewhere I read he fasted on his own birthday as a thanks to Allah for given him life.
We celebrate all the prophets everyday anyway by sending peace and blessings to them. That is better.
Mind finding the quote and reference please for this. Sounds interesting.
the Prophet :saw: was a mercy to the whole of mankind...
so why limit celebrating his birthday on a specific date once a year?
we should celebrate his birthday everyday.
Rather than INNOVATE...we should IMITATE :up:
Yes, the mawlid (celebration of the Prophet's birth) is a bidah.
But are all Bidah's are bad?
The answer to this is No. Abu Bakr & Umr (may Allah be pleased with them) both introduced something new into the deen and referred to them as 'bidati-hasana' - a good bidah.
Technically, bidah is that which is new into the deen which is contrary to the Quran + Sunnah.
The basic principle (usool) in fiqh is that everything is halal until proven haram. For example, we know that alcohol, fornication etc are haram because it is categorically proven from the Quran. Where is the celebration of the Prophet's birth prohibited from the Quran and Sunnah??
Did the Prophet SAW say 'Do not celebrate my birth'??
There have been countless good bidah's in this ummah such as the vocalisation of the Quran. How many people read the Quran today without tashkeel?? (fatah, kasrah, dammah) There are many more which I can state but keeping to the point, yes, the mawlid of the Prophet is a bidah but a good one. I personally believe that it should be celebrated every Monday, and one should send salawat upon him abundantly on this day, recite Quran and make dua's for the ummah. It is a nice way to bring brothers together from the community.
Lets not get our heads around our heels on this. If people don't want to celebrate it, thats fine. But to accuse and name people as "Bidati's" and "Mushriks" that do celebrate, is bang out of order.
However, I will say that certain practises in the Mawlid today have been exaggerated and I can reject some of these practises.
Mawlid should be kept simple and in accordance to Quran and Sunnah i.e. singing nasheeds in praise of the Best of Creation, Reading his blessed Seerah, sending salawat upon him, recitation of Quran. These are all legitimate acts of worship and encouraged by the Quran and Sunnah.
Abandoned-Mind
29-06-07, 09:12 AM
Yes, the mawlid (celebration of the Prophet's birth) is a bidah.
But are all Bidah's are bad?
The answer to this is No. Abu Bakr & Umr (may Allah be pleased with them) both introduced something new into the deen and referred to them as 'bidati-hasana' - a good bidah.
Brother, this is interesting, mind telling us what form of new worship or new islamic celebration they (Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) ) brought into the deen?
Brother, this is interesting, mind telling us what form of new worship or new islamic celebration they (Abu Bakr (ra) and Umar (ra) ) brought into the deen?
Salam Akhi,
Abu Bakr RA was the companion who collectively gathered the Quran in the form of a Book for the first time. The Sahaba were weary about doing this because it had not been done in the time of Rasulullah SAW! Some of the Sahaba actually when against Abu Bakr RA in this regard. But later, they saw the hikmah behind this and they approved the act.
Secondly, Umr RA was the companion who first introduced the idea of Tarawih prayers in congregation. He was confronted by the Sahaba who told him this was not done in the time of Rasulullah SAW but he saw the wisdom behind this action and by his own words he stated "This is a good bidah". I can get you the reference for this if you like but this is a very famous hadith and im sure you wont have any problems finding it.
As for Mawlid (celebration of the Prophet's birth), please read the following:
[Source: Mufti Islam Online Fatwa Committee Date : Date 19/Apr/2001 : Fatwa ID: 34150]
Shaykh Qardawi Approves of Celebrating Mawlid
"Actually, celebrating the Prophet's birthday means celebrating the birth of Islam..."
-- Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qardawi
Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, likely the most renowned Wahabi/Salafi scholar of the 20th century, in replying to the question on whether Mawlid should be celebrated replied:
We all know that the Companions of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, did not celebrate the Prophet's birthday, Hijrah or the Battle of Badr, because they witnessed such events during the lifetime of the Prophet who always remained in their hearts and minds.
Sa`d Ibn Abi Waqqaas said that they were keen on telling their children the stories of the Prophet's battles just as they were keen on teaching them the Qur'an. Therefore, they used to remind their children of what happened during the Prophet's lifetime so they did not need to hold such celebrations. However, the following generations began to forget such a glorious history and its significance. So such celebrations were held as a means of reviving great events and the values that we can learn from them.
Unfortunately, such celebrations include some innovations when they should actually be made to remind people of the Prophet's life and his call. Actually, celebrating the Prophet's birthday means celebrating the birth of Islam. Such an occasion is meant to remind people of how the Prophet lived.
Allah Almighty says: "Verily in the Messenger of Allah ye have a good example for him who looketh unto Allah and the last Day, and remembereth Allah much." (Al-Ahzab: 21)
By celebrating the Prophet's Hijrah, we should teach them values such as sacrifice, the sacrifice of the Companions, the sacrifice of `Ali who slept in the Prophet's place on the night of the Hijrah, the sacrifice of Asmaa' as she ascended the Mountain of Thawr . We should teach them to plan the way the Prophet planned for his Hijrah, and how to trust in Allah as the Prophet did when Abu Bakr told him: "We could be seen so easily, the Prophet replied saying: "O Abu Bakr! What do you think of two when Allah is their third?" "Have no fear, for Allah is with us." (At-Tawbah: 40)
We need all these lessons and such celebrations are a revival of these lessons and values. I think that these celebrations, if done in the proper way, will serve a great purpose, getting Muslims closer to the teachings of Islam and to the Prophet's Sunnah and life.
As for celebrating `Ashooraa', the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, celebrated this day by fasting only. He asked the Jews why they fasted on that day and they told him that it was the day that Allah saved Moses and the people of Israel . The Prophet replied saying: "We have more of a right to Moses than you." So he fasted on that day and ordered the people to fast on that day. He also said near the end of his life: "By Allah, if I lived longer I would fast on the 9th of Muharram." That is, that he would fast on the 9th and the 10th in order to be different from the Jews who fast on the 10th only. However, some of the Sunnis celebrate `Ashura as if it were a feast. The Shi`ah consider it a day of sadness and mourning, but all such things are innovations and are completely un-Islamic.
As for the second part of the question [what is exact birth date of the Prophet (s)], the exact date of the Prophet's birth is disputed , but it is most likely to be on Monday, 9th Rabee`Al-Awwal (20th or 22nd of April, 571 AC), the same year in which the invasion of the Elephants took place against the Ka`bah. And he, peace and blessings be upon him, passed away on Monday 12, Rabee` Al-Awwal in the eleventh year of Hijrah ( 8 June 632 AC.)
Allah Almighty knows best.
insomniac
29-06-07, 09:47 AM
hmmmmm
eh?!:rubeyes:
Can u really have a good and a bad bidah?...either way it is an innovation and although your intentions are good the fact remains that it is still and innovation and implies that Islam is not been complete and is therefore requiring personal addition...
insomniac
29-06-07, 09:51 AM
eh?!:rubeyes:
Can u really have a good and a bad bidah?...either way it is an innovation and although your intentions are good the fact remains that it is still and innovation and implies that Islam is not been complete and is therefore requiring personal addition...
there is such thing my father has told me and I have read about it.....best to get advice from a scholar regarding some of these matters as opposed to lay individuals insha'Allaah :up:
eh?!:rubeyes:
Can u really have a good and a bad bidah?...either way it is an innovation and although your intentions are good the fact remains that it is still and innovation and implies that Islam is not been complete and is therefore requiring personal addition...
Salam sister,
"innovation" is not a bad word.....like ive stated before, there are countless innovations today. What about the translation of the Quran into many different languages? Is this not a biddah?
The vocalization of the Quran? Have you tried reading al-quran as it was written in the time of the Prophet SAW?? Very Difficult without the tashkeel. Even the islamic sciences of Sarf, Nahw etc etc can be classed as biddah as these did not exist at the time of the Prophet SAW. The way we dress today is biddah. The cars we drive etc etc, lol....the list goes on and on....
Basically, the principle in Shariah is that *everything* is halal until proven haram. This has always been the principle so unless there is categorical evidence of prohibition for a certain thing, it cannot be impermissible.
And yes, ALL Biddah's [which are contrary to the Quran and Sunnah] will lead to the fire......this hadith is also correct and shudn't be taken out of context.
Abandoned-Mind
29-06-07, 10:06 AM
Salam Akhi,
Abu Bakr RA was the companion who collectively gathered the Quran in the form of a Book for the first time. The Sahaba were weary about doing this because it had not been done in the time of Rasulullah SAW! Some of the Sahaba actually when against Abu Bakr RA in this regard. But later, they saw the hikmah behind this and they approved the act.
Secondly, Umr RA was the companion who first introduced the idea of Tarawih prayers in congregation. He was confronted by the Sahaba who told him this was not done in the time of Rasulullah SAW but he saw the wisdom behind this action and by his own words he stated "This is a good bidah". I can get you the reference for this if you like but this is a very famous hadith and im sure you wont have any problems finding it.
There is a difference between putting a book together to make it easier to read than making a new Islamic celebration that the Prophet saws didn't do.
Regards to what Umar (ra) did, the Prophet saws did it already :
Aishah says: "The Prophet offered salah in the mosque and many people prayed with him. The next day he did the same and more people prayed with him. Then the people gathered on the third night but, the Prophet did not come out to them. In the morning, he said to them: 'Surely I saw what you did, and nothing prevented me from coming out to you, save that I feared that [that prayer] would be made obligatory upon you.' And that was during Ramadan." This is related by the group except for at-Tirmidhi .
So it was done before already by the Prophet saws, he just stopped so it wouldn't become obligatory on us.
Is there any quotes on the Sahaba (ra) celebrating it?
insomniac
29-06-07, 10:11 AM
????
I am from the opinion it is bi'dah as in it should not be celebrated.
There is a difference between putting a book together to make it easier to read than making a new Islamic celebration that the Prophet saws didn't do.
No, you missed the point. The point is that it was a biddah, but a praiseworthy one.
(From a Prophetic saying related by Zaid Ibn Thabit.(Allah be pleased with him)) “The Prophet died and the Qu’ran had not been compiled anywhere. `Umar (Allah be pleased with him) suggested to Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) to compile the Qu’ran in one book. When a large number of Companions were killed in the battle of Yamama, Abu Bakr wondered, “How could we do something that the Prophet did not do?’ `Umar said, “By Allah, it is good.’ `Umar persisted in asking Abu Bakr until Allah expanded his chest for it (Allah made him agree and accept these suggestions) and he sent for Zaid Ibn Thabit and assigned him to compile the Qu’ran.” Zaid said, “By Allah if they had asked me to move a mountain, it would not have been more difficult than to compile the Qur’an.” He also said, “How could you do something that the Prophet did not do?” Abu Bakr said, “It is good, and `Umar kept coming back to me until Allah expanded my chest for the matter.” The saying is narrated in Sahih Al Bukhari.
Is there any quotes on the Sahaba (ra) celebrating it?
Did you read the fatwa i pasted above by the famous wahabi/salafi scholar, yusuf al qardawi, in regards to celebrating the Prophet's birth???????
I told you the basic principle. Unless you can categorically prove from Quran and Sunnah that mawlid is haram, then you cannot deem it impermissible. Yes, you have a choice to do it or not, that is upto you.
As for the claim that there is no such thing in religion as good innovation, here are some sayings of the brilliant scholars of Islam belying this claim.
Imam Nawawi said in Sahih Muslim (6-21)
“The Prophet’s saying every innovation is a general-particular and it is a reference to most innovations. The linguists say, “Innovation is any act done without a previous pattern, and it is of five different kinds.’“ Imam Nawawi also said in Tahzeeb al Asma’ wal Sifaat, “Innovation in religious law is to originate anything which did not exist during the time of the Prophet, and it is divided into good and bad.” He also said, “Al-muhdathat (pl. for muhdatha) is to originate something that has no roots in religious law. In the tradition of religious law it is called innovation, and if it has an origin within the religious law, then it is not innovation. Innovation in religious law is disagreeable, unlike in the language where everything that has been originated without a previous pattern is called innovation regardless of whether it is good or bad.”
Shaykh Ibn Hajar Al Asqalani, the commentator on Al Bukhari, said,
“Anything that did not exist during the Prophet’s time is called innovation, but some are good while others are not.”
Abu Na’eem,narrated from Ibrahim Al Junaid, said, “I heard Ash-Shafi’i saying,
“Innovation is of two types; praiseworthy innovation and blameworthy innovation, and anything that disagrees with the Sunnah is blameworthy.’“
Al `Izz bin Abdussalam said, at the end of his book, Al Qawa’id,
“Innovation is divided into obligatory, forbidden, recommended, disagreeable and permissible, and the way to know which is which is to match it against the religious law.”
Clearly we see from the opinions of these righteous scholars, that to define innovations in worship as wholly negative without exception is ignorant. For these pious knowers, among them Imam Nawawi and Ash-Shafi’i, declared that innovations could be divided into good and bad, based on their compliance or deviance with religious law.
I hope this is enough to clear the confusion.
Please follow this link if you still have doubts:
http://sunnah.org/ibadaat/mawlid_dubai.htm
I am from the opinion it is bi'dah as in it should not be celebrated.
we have no opinions in this matter. we follow the opinions of the early Imam's, the great mujtahids such as Abu Hanifa, Imam Ashafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with them all) and the righteous scholars who preserved their way.
Abandoned-Mind
29-06-07, 11:21 AM
No, you missed the point. The point is that it was a biddah, but a praiseworthy one.
There is general innovation, and innovation in worship.
How can you invent a new way to worship Allaah?
Did you read the fatwa i pasted above by the famous wahabi/salafi scholar, yusuf al qardawi, in regards to celebrating the Prophet's birth???????
He is a ikhwaani mate lol. And again, no proof.
Just give me a ayah, hadith or a quote from the companions or salaf on the issue, otherwise (n)
There is general innovation, and innovation in worship.
How can you invent a new way to worship Allaah?
New way to worship to Allah???? Are you out of your senses??
To sing praises of Rasulullah SAW was the sunnah of Hasaan Bin Thabit. Read the poetry that he wrote in praise and awe of Rasulullah SAW. To fast....is this a new way to worship? To read the seerah and talk about the Prophet's miracles, is this new worship? What planet do you live on?
He is a ikhwaani mate lol. And again, no proof.
Just give me a ayah, hadith or a quote from the companions or salaf on the issue, otherwise (n)
Regardless of who he is, I dont think you read it. And neither did you read my last post.
Until you can prove from Quran and Sunnah that Mawlid is haram, then it is completely permissible and rewardable.
Following are some sayings of the rightly guided Imams regarding the Mawlid.
Imam Al Suyuti, from Alhawi lil fatawi, wrote a special chapter entitled "The Good Intention in Commemorating the Mawlid," at the beginning of which he said,
"There is a question being asked about commemorating the Mawlid of the Prophet in the month of Rabi' Al Awal: what is the religious legal ruling in this regard, is it good or bad? Does the one who celebrates get rewarded or not?" The answer according to me is as follows: To commemorate the Mawlid, which is basically gathering people together, reciting parts of the Qu'ran, narrating stories about the Prophet's birth and the signs that accompanied it, then serving food, and afterwards, departing, is one of the good innovations; and the one who practices it gets rewarded, because it involves venerating the status of the Prophet and expressing joy for his honorable birth.
Ibn Taymiyya said in his book Iqtida' Al Sirat Al Mustaqeem (pg. 266)
"Likewise, what some people have innovated, in competition with the Christians in celebrating the birth of Jesus, or out of love and veneration of the Prophet⦣128;榱uot; and he continues "⦣128;洨at the predecessors didn't do, even though there is a reason for it, and there is nothing against it." This is a saying of someone who set fanaticism aside and sought to please Allah and his Prophet. As far as we are concerned, we commemorate the Mawlid for no other reason but what Ibn Taymiya said, "Out of love and veneration of the Prophet." May Allah reward us according to this love and effort, and may Allah bless the one who said, "Let alone what the Christians claim about their Prophet, and you may praise Muhammad in any way you want and attribute to his essence all honors and to his status all greatness, for his merit has no limits that any expression by any speaker might reach."
In the same source previously mentioned, Al Suyuti said,
"Someone asked Ibn Hajar about commemorating the Mawlid. Ibn Hajar answered, "Basically, commemorating the Mawlid is an innovation that has not been transmitted by the righteous Muslims of the first three centuries. However, it involves good things and their opposites, therefore, whoever looks for the good and avoids the opposites then it is a good innovation.' It occurred to me (Al Suyuti) to trace it to its established origin, which has been confirmed in the two authentic books: Al Sahihain. When the Prophet arrived in Medina he found that the Jews fast the day of Aashura; when he inquired about it they said, "This is the day when Allah drowned the Pharaoh and saved Moses, therefore we fast it to show our gratitude to Allah.' From this we can conclude that thanks are being given to Allah on a specific day for sending bounty or preventing indignity or harm." Al Suyuti then commented, "What bounty is greater than the bounty of the coming of this Prophet, the Prophet of Mercy, on that day?"
Apparently, you know better than these imams!! lol
*Al-Qadr*
29-06-07, 11:43 AM
http://www.drkhalid.co.uk/Eid%20Meelad%20an%20Nabi.pdf
Case closed
http://www.drkhalid.co.uk/Eid%20Meelad%20an%20Nabi.pdf
Case closed
The case doesn't close that easily sister. I've given plenty of evidence in support of celebrating mawlid in my previous posts, but yet people are adamant in blind following their ways. You need to be more open and receptive.
Please read above the quotes from classical scholars regarding the celebration of the Prophet's birth. It is the birth of Islam as one of them said. The importance of this time is unparallel.
I have read the above PDF and there is absolutely no proof refuting the mawlid from Quran and Sunnah. Who is this Dr Khalid???? I have quoted from the greatest classical scholars of this ummah not people of our time!
Prove to me that it is haram from Quran and Sunnah and so I shall accept it as such. The fact that it cannot be proven from Quran and Sunnah to be a haram act, means that it is permissible and depending on ones intention, an immensely rewardable act.
Like the poet, Imam Busairi said in his famous Qasidah Burdah, "Leave what the christians say about their Prophet, and say whatever you wish in praise of him sallallaho alayhi wasallam [i.e. dont attribute any divinity to him, but say anything else in praise of him].
The famous poet and companion, Hasan Bin Thabit said after many many praises of the Prophet in his poetry:
" I do not honor Muhammad [SAW] by mentioning him in my poetry, Rather I am honoring my poetry by mentioning his blessed name in it".
The reality is that regardless of how much we praise the Beloved of God, it is not enough since the Lord of the Worlds has praised him in the Quran, therefore there is no limits in praising him sallallaho alayhi wasallam.
Abandoned-Mind
29-06-07, 12:26 PM
The case doesn't close that easily sister. I've given plenty of evidence in support of celebrating mawlid in my previous posts, but yet people are adamant in blind following their ways. You need to be more open and receptive.
Please read above the quotes from classical scholars regarding the celebration of the Prophet's birth. It is the birth of Islam as one of them said. The importance of this time is unparallel.
I have read the above PDF and there is absolutely no proof refuting the mawlid from Quran and Sunnah. Who is this Dr Khalid???? I have quoted from the greatest classical scholars of this ummah not people of our time!
Prove to me that it is haram from Quran and Sunnah and so I shall accept it as such. The fact that it cannot be proven from Quran and Sunnah to be a haram act, means that it is permissible and depending on ones intention, an immensely rewardable act.
Like the poet, Imam Busairi said in his famous Qasidah Burdah, "Leave what the christians say about their Prophet, and say whatever you wish in praise of him sallallaho alayhi wasallam [i.e. dont attribute any divinity to him, but say anything else in praise of him].
The famous poet and companion, Hasan Bin Thabit said after many many praises of the Prophet in his poetry:
" I do not honor Muhammad [SAW] by mentioning him in my poetry, Rather I am honoring my poetry by mentioning his blessed name in it".
The reality is that regardless of how much we praise the Beloved of God, it is not enough since the Lord of the Worlds has praised him in the Quran, therefore there is no limits in praising him sallallaho alayhi wasallam.
Akhi, no one is against praising Muhammad saws or send salam etc.
But to make a day out of it, decorate the masajid for it, increase their ibadah just for it and make it another 'eid.
Thats not from Islaam is it?
Akhi, no one is against praising Muhammad saws or send salam etc.
But to make a day out of it, decorate the masajid for it, increase their ibadah just for it and make it another 'eid.
Thats not from Islaam is it?
Salam, akhi....i appreciate your concern and I understand that certain practises within the mawlid can be classified as Bidah, such as excessive decoration etc, but the act itself is praiseworthy as stated by Ibn Taymiyya.
Brother, the scholars agree that Monday was the day when the Messenger of God SAW entered into this world. Did you know that the year in which the Prophet SAW born, no girls were born in that year. Allah SWT decreed this in honor of his beloved SAW because girls used to be buried alive and so Allah SWT celebrated the birth of His beloved by stopping the birth of all girls in that year - Subhan'Allah..
The Prophet Emphasized Monday As the Day He Was Born.
Abu Qatada al-Ansari narrates in Sahih Muslim, Kitab al-siyam, that the Prophet was asked about the fast of Monday, and he answered: "That is the day that I was born and that is the day I received the prophecy."
quote from Shaykh Mutawalli Sha`rawi:
"Many extraordinary events occurred on his birthday as evidenced in hadith and history, and the night of his birth is not like the night of any other human being's birth."
Read Ibn Kathir's book al-Bidaya , Vol. 2, pages 265-268.
from Kitab al-Madkhal by Ibn al-Hajj (1:261):
"It is an obligation that on every Monday of Rabi` ul- Awwal we increase our worship to thank Allah for what He gave us as a great favor -- the favor of sending us His beloved Prophet to direct us to Islam and to peace... The Prophet, when answering someone questioning him about fasting on Mondays, mentioned: On that day I was born. Therefore that day gives honor to that month, because that is the day of the Prophet... and he said: I am the master of the children of Adam and I say that without pride... and he said: Adam and whoever is descended from him are under my flag on the day of Judgment. These hadiths were transmitted by the Shaikhayn [Bukhari and Muslim]. And Muslim quotes in his Sahih, the Prophet said, On that day, Monday, I was born and on that day the first message was sent to me."
The Prophet emphasized the day of his birth and thanked Allah for the big favor of bringing him to life by fasting on that day as is mentioned in the hadith of Abu Qatada. This means that the Prophet was expressing his happiness for that day by fasting, which is a kind of worship. Since the Prophet emphasized that day by fasting, worship in any form to emphasize that day is also acceptable. Even if we change the form, the essence is kept. Therefore, fasting, giving food to the poor, coming together to praise the Prophet, or coming together to remember his good manners and good behavior, all of this is considered a way of emphasizing that day.
Alhamdulillah!!
al faqeer
30-06-07, 05:46 AM
Its simple
For those who dont want to celebrate it dont .
For those who do , Just do it and ignore the Bida Obsessed Khalafis .
we have no opinions in this matter. we follow the opinions of the early Imam's, the great mujtahids such as Abu Hanifa, Imam Ashafi, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with them all) and the righteous scholars who preserved their way.
:smack: yes and she follows the opinions of the "early Imams" that say its bid'ah :smack:
Its simple
For those who dont want to celebrate it dont .
For those who do , Just do it and ignore the Bida Obsessed Khalafis .
thats not how Islam works :rolleyes: you have to research and research and you follow the most accurate you dont just follow your desires.
(I know i know i should never reply to Faqeers posts :smack:)
al faqeer
30-06-07, 06:13 AM
NO that is how islam works , But not How Khalafism sorry I meant salafism works ,
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