What kind of Muslim are you?

[zaki]

Assalamu Alaikum brothers and sisters,

I was thinking about this a lot lately and sadly I've seen so many Muslims making groups, we are starting to be like the non-Muslims when they call us either Muslims or Extremist, I understand that there are people in this world who just follow the Sunnah, and will call themselves Sunni Muslims, but why are you calling yourselves theses? and to all the different "types" of Muslims, does that mean you are better then the rest cause you're a Sunni, Sh'ite etc. I was reading from Yahoo answers and someone asked Different types of Muslims, someone replied
"There are 72 sects of muslims in Islam so it could be any one of them."

Why are people thinking like this? because we see so called Muslims saying that they are Muslims, when they dont pray, or even do drugs, drink alcohol, do this and that and most of it is against the religion of Islam, the words of Allah and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

I've seen many born Muslims thinking that they are Muslims and dont have to do anything because they were given the extra "gift" from Allah because they were born as Muslims, NO! you have to do what is right and forbid what is wrong to be a Muslim, you have to follow every other Muslim whether born or reverted. You have to believe that there is one God and Muhammad (pbuh) is his messenger, you have to pray 5 times a day, you have to give Zakat, you have to fast the month of Ramadan, you have to go to Hajj at least once in your life time, you have to follow the Quran and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

There should be no different groups or differences, you are either a Muslim or a Non-Muslim, you are either a believer or a disbeliever. That is why Islam has ONE straight path to the true way of life, and inshallah following that we can go to Paradise inshallah. brothers and sisters why are we saying we are this and that when we are meant to be just Muslims?

I got this quote just before I posted this from a sister and Mashallah it is true, we should stick to the Quran and Sunnah , even if we are clenching it by the ends of our teeth, that is what a real Muslim is.

That is my thought, maybe I am wrong to think we can be what we like in this world, but Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was just a Muslim, so I feel I will follow that.

Your brother in Islam.
Zaki.

[nopah]

Im (just) Muslim. No phun intended:up:

[al faqeer]

No ones business .

[zaki]

No ones business .

what do you mean?

[al faqeer]

what do you mean?

I meant its no ones business what muslim i am .

[zaki]

I meant its no ones business what muslim i am .

but why are you a type of Muslim when you should be just a Muslim?

[al faqeer]

but why are you a type of Muslim when you should be just a Muslim?

Cause no one is Just muslim :D its not realistic .

Lets see the Major sects , they are either Sunni or Shia right or wrong ?

So which one are you ? sunni or shia ?

If you say Sunni then what type of Sunni are you ?


Salafi ? Sufi ? Deobandi ? Tableeghi ? etc.


If you non of those and a3uuthubillah you tell me you a Submitter , a pervezy , a qadyani , then i will tell u , u are not muslim period . ( I mean this in general) .

[zaki]

Cause no one is Just muslim :D its not realistic .

Lets see the Major sects , they are either Sunni or Shia right or wrong ?

So which one are you ? sunni or shia ?

If you say Sunni then what type of Sunni are you ?


Salafi ? Sufi ? Deobandi ? Tableeghi ? etc.


If you non of those and a3uuthubillah you tell me you a Submitter , a pervezy , a qadyani , then i will tell u , u are not muslim period . ( I mean this in general) .

thats so upsetting to hear that we as Muslims have to create groups like the many you have named, but I am just a Muslim, whether anyone believes me or not, I do make mistakes like everyone else, I will admit that, but what my religion asks me to do is follow the Quran, and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the follower of Islam is a Muslim, not a Sufi, not a Sunni, a Muslim, if Allah wanted to call us by theses other names, He would, but we are know as Muslims.
So many times I've been asked, what type of Muslim are you? I always say just a Muslim, and then they would say a list like yours and I still say I'm a Muslim, are people trying to say they are better Muslims cause you are called a Sunni or any other name?
Why are we making things hard for ourselves when we should be follow Islam which isn't meant to create theses things in the first place, why are we adding things to this beautiful religion???

[al faqeer]

thats so upsetting to hear that we as Muslims have to create groups like the many you have named, but I am just a Muslim, whether anyone believes me or not, I do make mistakes like everyone else, I will admit that, but what my religion asks me to do is follow the Quran, and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and the follower of Islam is a Muslim, not a Sufi, not a Sunni, a Muslim, if Allah wanted to call us by theses other names, He would, but we are know as Muslims.
So many times I've been asked, what type of Muslim are you? I always say just a Muslim, and then they would say a list like yours and I still say I'm a Muslim, are people trying to say they are better Muslims cause you are called a Sunni or any other name?
Why are we making things hard for ourselves when we should be follow Islam which isn't meant to create theses things in the first place, why are we adding things to this beautiful religion???

No you missing the point , We individual muslim dont make sects , they evolve over a period of time .

Now you Just said :

but what my religion asks me to do is follow the Quran, and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

Which in a nutshell means you are a Sunni :) whether you choose the name or not , you are still labeled with it .

[Medievalist]

Zaki its not about us splitting into groups. Its very simple. There are muslims and then there are deviators - it's like qadianis call themselves muslim but they are clearly not so we cant just say that whoever calls themself muslim is indeed muslim.

The true muslim is the one who follows the sunnah of the Nabi :saw: and accepts the actions of his Companions. the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah and the thing you will not about the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah is that in one sense it is an umbrella organisation - the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'ee, Hambali all come under it. The Salafi and the Deobandi and the Barelwi come under it. The Zahiri and the Sufi come under it.

I understand your feelings that we are muslim and thats it but it doesnt mean much when you say to someone Im a muslim - cos they wanna knw which type? An orthodox or a heretic?

Its like if someone says to you are you from Birmingham or Coventry? And you say Im from W. Midlands - what does it matter if Im from Bham or Cov? Understand?

[zaki]

sigh :( i rest my case, and give up

[al faqeer]

sigh :( i rest my case, and give up

Dont give up brother , we are not confusing you .

Just remember Allah will give you whats in your intention .

[Universal_Islam]

sigh :( i rest my case, and give up
Salam Alaikum,

There is no need to be upset or discouraged. Those differences are something positive and mercy to Muslims by the way. Long time ago, I used to think in a similar way, however, I came to realize that it is too ideal for real implementation. It would be partially applicable if you want to adhere to the basic instructions of Islam like: praying 5 times, fasting, performing Hajj, giving Zakat and/or doing the extra sunnan/nafl (i.e. night prayer, giving more charity, extra fasting, ..etc). However, it is not applicable if you want to get deeper into different Islamic sciences. Even at the level you are talking about, one has to fall, knowingly or unknowingly, into a sect or a school of thought. For example, I'm sure that you pray like how Sunnis pray not like how shias pray, for the obvious reason that you studied Islam from Sunni resources. I can classify, generally, the reasons for those differences as follows:

- Althought after the prophet (saaws), muslims were left with the Quran and collection of Hadiths (Prophetic sayings), in many cases, the minor details of some worships were not clearly shown or some narrations narrate different ways of performing specific action. Depending on whom the Shiekh studied under and on what has reached him from Prophetic Hadith, laws/rules were extracted and compiled into what's known a school of thoughts in jurisprudence. And the most well-known school of thought are the four schools that belong to frour great scholars/Imams in Islamic history. The reasons why the Prophet (saaws) didn't give every single minor detail or gave different ways are mainly two: (1) mercy to people; as the Prophet himself said "the differences of my Ummah is mercy". (2) every ritual action in Islam has an inward spiritual reality manifested in that outward action. In some cases, there are more than one spiritual reality for single act, so, Allah by His will made those differences in jurisprudence so that every difference covers one spiritual reality behind that act.

- The two known sects in Islam are 'sunni' and 'shia'; and the difference is mainly historical. Besides, shias follow the jurisprudence (fiq-h) of Ahlul-Bayt (the family of the prophet saaws). Many Sunni scholars have declared that the jurisprudence of Ahlul-Bayt to be the fifth school of thought in Islam.

- In addition to jurisprudence and Islamic rituals and worships, Islam brought also spirituality and divine knowledge. The Quran, asides from the law/ruling instructions, contains a wealthy deep divine knowledg and spiritual knoweldge. The Prophet (saaws) gave such knowledge to the companions. And the two well-known companions known for such knowledge are AbuBakr (ra) and Ali (ra). Later on, Shiekhs who excelled in those types of knowledge were the ones known as 'Sufis'. And until now, "ma'rifa" (gnosticism) is what is tought to Sufi mureed after following the Tariqa (spiritual order/path) under a qualified Guide. The instruction about "tariqa" and "ma'rifa" are mentioned in the Quran in V.72:16.


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[far-hana]

Assalamu Alaikum brothers and sisters,

I was thinking about this a lot lately and sadly I've seen so many Muslims making groups, we are starting to be like the non-Muslims when they call us either Muslims or Extremist, I understand that there are people in this world who just follow the Sunnah, and will call themselves Sunni Muslims, but why are you calling yourselves theses? and to all the different "types" of Muslims, does that mean you are better then the rest cause you're a Sunni, Sh'ite etc. I was reading from Yahoo answers and someone asked Different types of Muslims, someone replied
"There are 72 sects of muslims in Islam so it could be any one of them."

Why are people thinking like this? because we see so called Muslims saying that they are Muslims, when they dont pray, or even do drugs, drink alcohol, do this and that and most of it is against the religion of Islam, the words of Allah and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

I've seen many born Muslims thinking that they are Muslims and dont have to do anything because they were given the extra "gift" from Allah because they were born as Muslims, NO! you have to do what is right and forbid what is wrong to be a Muslim, you have to follow every other Muslim whether born or reverted. You have to believe that there is one God and Muhammad (pbuh) is his messenger, you have to pray 5 times a day, you have to give Zakat, you have to fast the month of Ramadan, you have to go to Hajj at least once in your life time, you have to follow the Quran and the teachings of the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

There should be no different groups or differences, you are either a Muslim or a Non-Muslim, you are either a believer or a disbeliever. That is why Islam has ONE straight path to the true way of life, and inshallah following that we can go to Paradise inshallah. brothers and sisters why are we saying we are this and that when we are meant to be just Muslims?

I got this quote just before I posted this from a sister and Mashallah it is true, we should stick to the Quran and Sunnah , even if we are clenching it by the ends of our teeth, that is what a real Muslim is.

That is my thought, maybe I am wrong to think we can be what we like in this world, but Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was just a Muslim, so I feel I will follow that.

Your brother in Islam.
Zaki.

I agree with you bro..
There should be no different groups or differences, you are either a Muslim or a Non-Muslim, you are either a believer or a disbeliever.:up:
If we consider fellow muslims brothers and sisters..den why should we deifferentiate each other by dividing ourselves into group??

[Medievalist]

Having read the above post I have to comment.

My answer above was ok-ish but the stronger answer is to go back to the roots.

There are going to be differences in the Ummah. That is a given fact and this can be traced back to Sayings of the Nabi :saw: wherein HE :saw: stated to the effect that differences of opinion in my Ummah are a mercy.

If we look to the Sahaabah Karaam alayhim ridhwaan they differed in many issues, in many legal rulings and these were taught to their students and then to their students etc. So this difference of opinion goes back to the Holy Companions alayhim ridhwaan and its not realistic to wish these differences away because according to Prophetic Wisdome :saw: they are a mercy for us.

Further there are some unifying principles that all Muslims have. The Five Essential Pillars for example. As Muslims we are united upon these so its not as though we are completely fragmented and cut up. I think its best to explain by analogy. If we have some machine - say a car. The nuts and bolts do one thing, the pistons another, the exhaust, engine, gear box etc are all totally different things but they are all part of the car and work to the same goal - making the bloody thing move!

Similarly we have differnt pistons and gear boxes and engines in this religion - the People of the Quran, the People of the Ahadeeth, the People of Fiqh, the People of the History, the People of Tasawwuf, the People of Tableegh, the People of Jihad etc. They are all doing different things but at the same time are moving for the same goal - the pleasure of ALLAH Ta'ala.

What we need to see is that these differences are indeed a mercy and not a curse.

[Ebony]

Im a normal Muslim :nerdsis:

[jzcasejz]

sigh :( i rest my case, and give up

Don't worry Brother. I understand why you made this thread...and may Allaah reward you for your intentions. Aameen. :up:

[MMS]

i am the muscle-man

[Peacenik]

Really ?

How much can you lift ?

[urban_rose]

i am the muscle-man

Really ?

How much can you lift ?

she cannae even lift her own babby :p

[Amaara]

I agree with brother Zaki most deffo...I really dislike hearing someone say this sect/thatsect...gets on nerves..

It's goo d to have knowledge of the sects however you should take pride in being a Muslim no this/that kinda muslim.


like brother medievalist said, in order to help you practise things you may adhere to ''xyz'' but its just a matter of relating it back to the Quran and Sunnah.