an incident tht happened...

[Ibn Khattab]

salam alaikum

today as i was waiting for my bus on my way home, i saw the sister of a friend of mine walking along with another boy. wen they saw me they quickly dispersed into the shopping centre opposite the bus stop.

now as the bus came i got on and i saw the 2 of them come out thinking that i had left and began conversing like they do, stairing into each other etc.

i was obviously suprised at what i saw since i known the brother of this sister for almost all my life. although i have never spoken to her, i always thought she was decent since she was usually shy etc.

i was going to approach her and explain that this is wong and if your brother finds out he will get mad, but my bus left :o .

so later on in the evening i made u my mind that id tell the friend of mine that his sister was hanging around with a random bro. i knw he does get angry when this happens since mashallah hes a good brother who cares and prays etc. the sister maybe isnt as practising but i did not expect this.

so at the masjid, i took him to one side and told him this and obviously i could tell he was anoyed but i told him to take it easy and dnt be too harsh rather explain to her nicely that this is wrong.

so he marches off home and talks to her and comes back saying that she said she wasnt with a boy and she wasnt talking to anyone :S altho i reassured him that i knw what i saw.

point being i felt kind of bad since i didnt want her to get into trouble, but at the same time she needed to realise what she is doing. at the same time, this bro ive known for all my life and we trust each other etc and i knw he wud do the same thing for me.

so was i right in what i did? what do people think?

[bint]

u did right...

but..

i dunno..men just have a funny way of dealing with these situations. she did wrong..but

ah forget it.

[muslimah85]

Hmmm, Its kind of right and kind of not :S

If Anything happens to her cos of what you saw it will not be nice :S, I kind of pretend I never see things., cos getting involved can be detrimental at times

[sunrise]

Hmmm, Its kind of right and kind of not :S

If Anything happens to her cos of what you saw it will not be nice :S, I kind of pretend I never see things., cos getting involved can be detrimental at times


yeah tell me about it, i know of several girls that have got beaten up and sadly some of the time it wasn't even true:( :( :(

[Hafsah]

are you 101% sure it was her?

also...you dont know WHY she was talking to him

i think sometimes its difficult to jump to conclusions...but better to give the benefit of the doubt?

[sajid]

yeh agree with

^^ ^^

best to leave it could have dire consequences if not dealth with props

[Ibn Khattab]

oh dam why didnt i make this thread earlier :(

[Hafsah]

oh dam why didnt i make this thread earlier :(

dont worry...inshaAllaah nothing bad will happen to her...and next time (inshaAllaah there wont be..but just incase) u'll be better prepared

[Al Qiyamah]

:wswrwb:

Not really sure whether it would be regarded as being 'right' even though your intention does seem sincere Masha'Allah as you were trying to prevent fitnah from taking place n I guess because you know the brother ..you felt like it needed to be told...but its better for you to keep quiet about it :insha:

"If someone becomes aware of his brother's sins and realizes that nobody except him has seen him committing the sin, then he should keep the sin a secret. He should not encourage people towards sins by exposing his faults. Allah, the Exalted, has not only condemned committing sins in the Qur'aan but He has also condemned those people who mention sins in public. He said: "Verily, those who like that Fahishah should be circulated among those who believe, they will have a painful torment." [(24): 19] meaning, those who like to see evil talk about them (the believers) appear. [Tafseer Ibn Katheer]" (Keeping Sins A Secret) (http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=141)

wa Allahu Alam.

[Kal-El]

You had your best intentions at heart and perhaps you will do things differently in the future if you see something similar again.

[Ibn Khattab]

okay im feeling so bad now :o

the things its jus i know he wud tell me if he was in my position and its not that i have anything against his sis at all, i dnt even know her, its jus hard 2 explain lol.

[bint]

just say to him sorry..it was most proll someone else..my eys are playin me up today..

and if you can..have a word with the brother that was with that sis. just abit of sound advice dont go beatin him up tho :p

[Al Qiyamah]

just say to him sorry..it was most proll someone else..my eys are playin me up today..

and if you can..have a word with the brother that was with that sis. just abit of sound advice dont go beatin him up tho :p

yeh I guess you told him because its like "love for your brother what you Love for yourself" kinda thing ..talk it through with the bro :insha: so he is aware of your intentions

[`asiya]

Allahu alam i dunno i think u sincerly rushed to do the honourable thing and save ur good brothers sister from fitnah masha Allah nothing wrong with that but u have to consider too that...

could be someone shes related too, a mahram, a complete one off reason, and it could be any reason why she was talking to him ( and if she was doing something wrong shes not obliged to admit it openly ) and it could cause fitnah in the family to start an argument about something when there was nothing going on in the first place...after all its a huge sin to accuse a chaste muslim woman who wouldnt think of doing anything to effect her chastity... as Allah says in the Quran... And suspicion of a muslim is from shaitan as the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said.

..ive seen a few things like muslims doing serious sins, and i just didnt mention them to anyone then later someone else has mentioned them to me, and i just act like im hearing it for the first time and jus change the subject and make an excuse for them, i dunno i just think theres no point in discussing peoples sins, and telling others unless were going to advise them personally and help them back on track insha Allah, none of us are fault free and if i made a mistake one day and someone saw that id prefer they just advise me in person and kept silent about it insha Allah, so i could take on board their advice and repent from that and sort myself out insha Allah

anyway masha Allah actions are rewarded by their intention so insha Allah u get rewarded for ur chivalry and ur gheerah towards ur muslim sister insha Allah :up:

[OBL]

yeah, i would of done the same thing. Dont wanna accusse the sis of anyting, he was probably a friend or someone, so im gonna stick with making 70 excuses before u accuse someone

[Ibn Khattab]

Allahu alam i dunno i think u sincerly rushed to do the honourable thing and save ur good brothers sister from fitnah masha Allah nothing wrong with that but u have to consider too that...

could be someone shes related too, a mahram, a complete one off reason, and it could be any reason why she was talking to him ( and if she was doing something wrong shes not obliged to admit it openly ) and it could cause fitnah in the family to start an argument about something when there was nothing going on in the first place...after all its a huge sin to accuse a chaste muslim woman who wouldnt think of doing anything to effect her chastity... as Allah says in the Quran... And suspicion of a muslim is from shaitan as the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said.

..ive seen a few things like muslims doing serious sins, and i just didnt mention them to anyone then later someone else has mentioned them to me, and i just act like im hearing it for the first time and jus change the subject and make an excuse for them, i dunno i just think theres no point in discussing peoples sins, and telling others unless were going to advise them personally and help them back on track insha Allah, none of us are fault free and if i made a mistake one day and someone saw that id prefer they just advise me in person and kept silent about it insha Allah, so i could take on board their advice and repent from that and sort myself out insha Allah

anyway masha Allah actions are rewarded by their intention so insha Allah u get rewarded for ur chivalry and ur gheerah towards ur muslim sister insha Allah :up:


im sure he wasnt a mahram cos i knw their family since i was a little kid. and also they were trying to hide until they thought i was gone when i hadnt lol.

but jazakalah sis for this :up: :up:

[Lambo5688]

If you were 100% sure that it was his sister, I think you did the right thing. I mean, if you know the brother is capable of handling this situation in the correct way, then I think you saved the sister from further fitnah.

[GuCcI]

salaam

as long as ur freind isnt mad at u and thinking u made it up then its all good. but really, u shouldnt worry cuz mashallah ur intentions were good. the sister is lucky she has TWO brothers looking out for her :up:


one is u and the other being ur freind, her real brother, if that wasnt clear lol :D

[blue rose]

hey dnt worry too much...

my dads friend thought he saw me once... but i was at school at the time so i was saved!!! but dnt worry itll jus show ur mate that u actually care and that ur worried for them... he wnt take it too bad insha'allah...

dnt worry too much and dnt feel so bad, u only did wot u felt was right, nothing wrong in that

[Niqaabi]

I always go directly to the person and ask them first who they were with but not in a bate interferring way just curious way and then would tell them its not allowed and do the whole make them feel guilty thing with "seriously imagine how upset your family might be?" and "wer suppose to be representing islam to the non-muslims if they see us doing wrong they will think bad" etc.
If she didnt listen and i knew her family well and knew they wouldnt beat her etc then i would tell them.

[Al-ghurabah]

first of all we supposed to make 70 excuses for our fellow muslims.. so you should have made excuse saying could be wrong person or even could be soemthing else..
best its to confirm.. go up say who is this why you talking to random guy if she is..
anyway sumtimes y doing good it goes bad.. i tend to leave things know.. gets you into trouble

[Eemaan]

ibn K, you and yer big gob :smack:

always ask baaji first :torture:

[abdusamad]

Bro you did right and Alhamdulillah your bus drove off quick like an F1 driver. IT would have been wrong for you to approach her since it may have created alot of complications, she would be in state of shock, embarassed etc.. not in right frame of mind. However having told her bro was a good thing. Wallahu Alim! Perhaps the denial was to be expected. She surely did feel embarrassed. Next time you see them, approach the brother she is with, and give him a firm warning, if he does not listen, well you know my number we can sort something out :)

[eshanz]

salamz keep it all simple, the brother saw something that he thought was not right. and so he did what he thought was right in handling the situation. this is the problem i see alot of them time. especially in universities and around the place, sisters walking around with ghair mahrams blatently and yet nobody will ever say anything. i saw a brother once big beard saying salam to everyone etc and then he sees a sister and goes up n hug her. i was like huh? so i dont think u did anything wrong in dealing with the situation u were put in. u told her brother too chill in dealing with his sister and thats all u can do. now its up to him how he deals with the situation.
waslamz
Zeshan x

[Ibn Khattab]

the brother just told me that she denied everything. so i told him i knw for a fact but khayr just give her the benefit of the doubt inshallah and he agreed.

also he thanked me for telling him so alhamdulilah it turned out okay :D
except whenever i see his sister she probly gna be giving me dirty looks looool

[Ibn Khattab]

Next time you see them, approach the brother she is with, and give him a firm warning, if he does not listen, well you know my number we can sort something out :)

lool bruv she was with them gangsta type kids who act all tuff but get scared of spiders.

i didnt like the way he was acting and i was thinking of aproaching her myself but like i said the bus came.

i wud have knocked him easy tho but safe for the offer :up:

[Eemaan]

i wud have knocked him easy tho but safe for the offer

:rotfl: but al give you the benefit of the doubt :D

[Fais]

:rotfl: but al give you the benefit of the doubt :D

Yea i know :rotfl: ...

[Ibn Khattab]

:rotfl: but al give you the benefit of the doubt :D

Yea i know :rotfl: ...

wha :wacko:

[Al-ghurabah]

wha :wacko:


think you and your boys need to pay faisy a visit :D
over n out

[Fais]

wha :wacko:

Shes's basically saying you aint got strong arms. :torture:

[Fais]

think you and your boys need to pay faisy a visit :D

:rotfl: ... I would knock out most people on ummah.com ... and thats me being modest :rotfl: .. :coolbro:

[Al-ghurabah]

Shes's basically saying you aint got strong arms. :torture:


lol...:rotfl: he needs to go to the gym...:D

[Fais]

lol...:rotfl: he needs to go to the gym...:D

Hit the nail on the head :rofl1:

[Ibn Khattab]

so what ya'll tryna say? that im weak?

[bint]

u guys shud leave him alone man.

he didnt make a mistake...technically he did do the right thing.

next time..talk to someone before u take a step..its about facing the consequences later on..which can be detrimental as M85 said earlier on.

[OBL]

soz.

[Al-ghurabah]

You couldnt hurt a fly even if you tried.


dont insult the fly bro:(

[Fais]

You couldnt hurt a fly even if you tried.

dont insult the fly bro:(

:rotfl: ... Your right i wouldn't hurt a fly ... Coz theres no need :D.

But like i said .. Most ... So im being serious when i say that lol :D

[OBL]

dont insult the fly bro

I apologize.

[Eemaan]

:rotfl: ... I would knock out most people on ummah.com ... and thats me being modest :rotfl: .. :coolbro:

yes. he actually would hes mahoosiove vertically and horizontally :o

lol...:rotfl: he needs to go to the gym...:D

:D

so what ya'll tryna say? that im weak?

that you need to go to the gym :D

*hands out weights*

[muslima_89]

na u did good ....if u see something wrong you should try stopping it ....and if you cant then u should hate it in ur heart, thats the lowest form of iman...
i know it might sound that u grassed them up, but things could have gotten worse at least u did ur duty as a muslim brother you have to look out for other muslims

[Ibn Khattab]

subhnallah people iv stopped going gym cos theyve run out of weights for me to use.

the highest they use is not enough for me.

[Eemaan]

subhnallah people iv stopped going gym cos theyve run out of weights for me to use.

the highest they use is not enough for me.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

:smack:

[`asiya]

subhnallah people iv stopped going gym cos theyve run out of weights for me to use.

the highest they use is not enough for me.

ah well you`ll have to find some skinny brothers to use as weights to do ur bench presses with now instead eh :D

[Al-ghurabah]

subhnallah people iv stopped going gym cos theyve run out of weights for me to use.

the highest they use is not enough for me.



you meant .. they ddint have anyhting you can lift..

just try drink bottlkes first bro.. its easier ( empty bottles)

[Ibn Khattab]

ah well you`ll have to find some skinny brothers to use as weights to do ur bench presses with now instead eh :D

yeah lol ill start with fais inshallah :up:

you meant .. they ddint have anyhting you can lift..

just try drink bottlkes first bro.. its easier ( empty bottles)

they asked me to leave cos i was using the rowing machines for weights :rolleyes:

[Fais]

yeah lol ill start with fais inshallah :up:


... bro ... I would snap you like a twigg man ...

[Ibn Khattab]

... bro ... I would snap you like a twigg man ...

ill use u for weights:hidban:

[Fais]

ill use u for weights:hidban:

Have you for breakfaast bro.

[abdusamad]

Eat all the spinache you like, you lot aint gettin bigger.

[ibn suleman]

:rotfl:

[Al-ghurabah]

Eat all the spinache you like, you lot aint gettin bigger.


muscles from mogadishu is here :rolleyes:

[abdusamad]

actually I am from the hopeless northerners.

[Ebony]

I dont think you should have gone to the girls brother. Probably should've confronted her about it, or caught them at it again a 2nd time just to see whether it was a recurrent thing and not something one off.

[Abu Mus'ab]

subhnallah people iv stopped going gym cos theyve run out of weights for me to use.

the highest they use is not enough for me.

... bro ... I would snap you like a twigg man ...

ill use u for weights:hidban:

Have you for breakfaast bro.

Okay you ferrero rochers off to the brothers section with you, i've got some exercises for you two, the one who does more will be the stronger one (and you will speak the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth, so may your baaji help you if you lie *Roll Eyes*)

I'll find a thread to bump there.

[$HugoBoss$]

Whats the point of asking us now if you were right or wrong??? Does it matter jeez :rolleyes:. Maybe you should have came on here before and took some advice from members before approaching your friend.

Isn't exposing someone's sin haram???? I don't care who goes out with who or which girl hangs around with which guy even if it's my best friend, i mind my own business. I got my own issues to deal with.

[Te'oma]

:rotfl: ... I would knock out most people on ummah.com ... and thats me being modest :rotfl: .. :coolbro:

not if we stay upwind...I mean you might be strong but smell isn't everything :p

[Ibn Khattab]

Whats the point of asking us now if you were right or wrong??? Does it matter jeez :rolleyes:. Maybe you should have came on here before and took some advice from members before approaching your friend.

Isn't exposing someone's sin haram???? I don't care who goes out with who or which girl hangs around with which guy even if it's my best friend, i mind my own business. I got my own issues to deal with.

oh im sorry mr always-agitated i apologise next time i wont :rolleyes:

maybe you have your ways but inshallah i did the right thing cos its sorted now and he explained it nicely to her and alhamdulilah i think she understands.

man we do have sum funny ummah members ere :coolbro:

[Bint Yusuf]

oh im sorry mr always-agitated i apologise next time i wont :rolleyes:

maybe you have your ways but inshallah i did the right thing cos its sorted now and he explained it nicely to her and alhamdulilah i think she understands.

man we do have sum funny ummah members ere :coolbro:

yeh i think they fell out of the wrong side of bed teehee:D

[Abu Mus'ab]

oh im sorry mr always-agitated i apologise next time i wont :rolleyes:

maybe you have your ways but inshallah i did the right thing cos its sorted now and he explained it nicely to her and alhamdulilah i think she understands.

man we do have sum funny ummah members ere :coolbro:
Bruv by now you should know who's advice to take and not to take *cough* *Roll Eyes*

[Fais]

Okay you ferrero rochers off to the brothers section with you, i've got some exercises for you two, the one who does more will be the stronger one (and you will speak the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth, so may your baaji help you if you lie *Roll Eyes*)

I'll find a thread to bump there.

Ok :coolbro: .. :D

not if we stay upwind...I mean you might be strong but smell isn't everything :p

:rubeyes: ... Ill let this one go this time uncle jee (-_-)


man we do have sum funny ummah members ere :coolbro:

Yea .. like you thinking you can do weights :rotfl: ...

[Medievalist]

so was i right in what i did? what do people think?

You did right mashaALLAH. If you are close to this brother and you have a strong friendship then it's only right that you tell him - when its a random next man that you hardly know then the issue may be a little blurred but in this instance bro I think you did right.

What steps her brother takes to keep the women in line is his prerogative - its not for a third party to get involved in a domestic issue.

One thing I wanna pick up on is that you mentioned you were surprised. The unfortunate truth is that even the ones that we think are decent are more than likely up to mischief. Some boys cant act sweet as honey, noble speech and then on the sly we know wagwan - same with some girls. The perfect obedient daughter but again wagwan at the train station or library we know.

I remeber once being at derby train station quite late - about 21:30 in winter and went into waiting area for my train. There a girl with full black gown on, black scarf on was leaning on some bloke chest. If it was a "normal" paki gyal then I wudda just sat on other side and ignored it but I felt agitated by this show so went and sat right opposite and decided to ring up one of the boyz. Over the fone I started talking nice and loud about morality police and discussing with him what a person should do if he knew someones daughter was doing bad - I drove the convo down the line that I should take a pic and show it to the father. :rotfl:

Shoulda seen her get up and go and sit in a corner as I began fiddling with my fone.

[Medievalist]

Another good one when driving and you see a young paki boy and girl holding hands or acting common - you drive slowly past and squint while you look at the boy/girl as though you seeing if they are who you think they are and then shout out window:

"Puttra meh tere abba ki dassaan"

Son Im gonna tell yr dad.

:rotfl: - that ones a cracker :D

[Umm 'Umarah]

lol, Med, you'd definitely qualify for a position in the Saudi Mutawa.

[Fais]

Another good one when driving and you see a young paki boy and girl holding hands or acting common - you drive slowly past and squint while you look at the boy/girl as though you seeing if they are who you think they are and then shout out window:

"Puttra meh tere abba ki dassaan"

Son Im gonna tell yr dad.

:rotfl: - that ones a cracker :D

:rotfl: .. Thats ones a classic :D ... Seen that loads of times.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Ok :coolbro: .. :D



:rubeyes: ... Ill let this one go this time uncle jee (-_-)



Yea .. like you thinking you can do weights :rotfl: ...
I bumped the thread already, you should be able to tell it by it's name.

[xyz]

You did right mashaALLAH. If you are close to this brother and you have a strong friendship then it's only right that you tell him - when its a random next man that you hardly know then the issue may be a little blurred but in this instance bro I think you did right.

What steps her brother takes to keep the women in line is his prerogative - its not for a third party to get involved in a domestic issue.

One thing I wanna pick up on is that you mentioned you were surprised. The unfortunate truth is that even the ones that we think are decent are more than likely up to mischief. Some boys cant act sweet as honey, noble speech and then on the sly we know wagwan - same with some girls. The perfect obedient daughter but again wagwan at the train station or library we know.

I remeber once being at derby train station quite late - about 21:30 in winter and went into waiting area for my train. There a girl with full black gown on, black scarf on was leaning on some bloke chest. If it was a "normal" paki gyal then I wudda just sat on other side and ignored it but I felt agitated by this show so went and sat right opposite and decided to ring up one of the boyz. Over the fone I started talking nice and loud about morality police and discussing with him what a person should do if he knew someones daughter was doing bad - I drove the convo down the line that I should take a pic and show it to the father. :rotfl:

Shoulda seen her get up and go and sit in a corner as I began fiddling with my fone.

Mhmmm lekin meddo, how do u not know that bloke wasnt her husband???

come on folks, lets not always just jump to conclusions, aye i agree 95 % of the times it is people up to no good but there always the 5% wer u may be in the wrong.

[Fais]

I bumped the thread already, you should be able to tell it by it's name.

:o ... Oh yes ... i see :D

[Medievalist]

lol, Med, you'd definitely qualify for a position in the Saudi Mutawa.

wth!! :rubeyes:

I learnt that slowly-car-driving-mission from my older brother :D

Mhmmm lekin meddo, how do u not know that bloke wasnt her husband???

come on folks, lets not always just jump to conclusions, aye i agree 95 % of the times it is people up to no good but there always the 5% wer u may be in the wrong.

Answer is I dont - but we look at different factors. Night-time, married people dont cosy up at cold train stations especially not if one of em is wearing a black gown :nono: . Married people dont show that kinda affection - they could only have been going out :rotfl:

[me.sawda]

Your intention was good so inshallah nothin bad in it. But make sure your friend is not thinking negative about you cause you said he was annoyed to know about her sister's activities.

[ammarcool]

You did your duty :up: ! You dont need to answer for that in the day of Judgment.

[Medievalist]

Your intention was good so inshallah nothin bad in it. But make sure your friend is not thinking negative about you cause you said he was annoyed to know about her sister's activities.

I'd expect my friends to tell me when they see someone I have authority over doing bad. Thats a true friend.