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just wanted to know the opinions and islamic ruling about women in islam wearing trousers?
Jzk
sunrise
19-04-07, 08:52 PM
in public or underneath a loose garment i.e. a jilbab?? what do u mean?
dyu mean the english trousers? or the cultured ones?
women do need to cover themselves so theyre obviously going to wear trousers or long skirts whatnot.
in public...i often see many sisters in hijab wearing trousers/jeans
muslimah85
19-04-07, 08:56 PM
daym I hope all women wear trousers! :eek: :nervous:
dyu mean the english trousers? or the cultured ones?
women do need to cover themselves so theyre obviously going to wear trousers or long skirts whatnot.
But iv always read that a woman wearing garments designed for men and vice versa are cursed by Allah.
But iv always read that a woman wearing garments designed for men and vice versa are cursed by Allah.
yes so have i. and i was confused at first too :)
but these clothes are made for women. its not possible for us to go back to the manufacturers and find out who is mingling with the clothes? :S
its a good question tho:up: and id like to know the rulingtoo.:up:
yes so have i. and i was confused at first too :)
but these clothes are made for women. its not possible for us to go back to the manufacturers and find out who is mingling with the clothes? :S
its a good question tho:up: and id like to know the rulingtoo.:up:
i guess...but i was also told that as trousers were orginally fashioned for men and the idea of it being worn by women is still not appropriate.
Often many sisters wearing trousers justify it by saying that its a loose fit..either way the fact remains that it is still a male fashioned garment...
well the way i see it. mens trousers were proll manufactured first but that was in the olden times..innit? like now..i duno..i still dont see the argument..i dont know how it cud be haram. cos mens trouser shape narrows down..womens dont..womens have shape..mens dont u get me?
well the way i see it. mens trousers were proll manufactured first but that was in the olden times..innit? like now..i duno..i still dont see the argument..i dont know how it cud be haram. cos mens trouser shape narrows down..womens dont..womens have shape..mens dont u get me?
...like the idea for womens trousers derives from trousers designed for men..even though now they are tailored differently..if their is an islamic ruling against women imitating the dressing of a man it would apply throughout regardless of time..
An islamic dressing for a woman prevents her from showing the figure of her body, therefore ideally we should wear a jilbab...but with trousers it kinda reveals the shape of the legs..if you get me..:)
ur_yusra
19-04-07, 09:20 PM
The trousers for men and women are different.. Obviously.
Can I just say.. did they have trousers at the time of the prophet (saw).. yes or no?
er lol. no i dont cos....
if a woman covers herself..with a jilbab..then she can wear virtually anything under that. :D
er lol. no i dont cos....
if a woman covers herself..with a jilbab..then she can wear virtually anything under that. :D
thats obvious..i was talking about them wearing it publicly!:)
perfectpearl
19-04-07, 09:23 PM
Well under the Jilbab is fine.
I dont remember which hadith it was or exactly it, but once this women fell off her horse and the Prophet (saw) was around, she had pants under so he said bless the women with pants! He said that cuz she was fully covered when she fell!
The trousers for men and women are different.. Obviously.
Can I just say.. did they have trousers at the time of the prophet (saw).. yes or no?
Not sure really...arab dress mainly i think included wearing of jubba's etc for the men...and probably jilbabs for the women. :)
salaam
well obviously ur pants cant be tight right. like there are really loose wide leg dress pants that have a straight leg that dont give off the shape of the leg. wen u stand straight with ur legs together they could even look like a skirt
seee... HOPEFULLY those are ok if u wear it with a loong shirt that goes down past the hips or something :up:
.: Anna :.
19-04-07, 11:19 PM
trouser as a garment is not just for men... looking in history, men also have worn long garments like the same shape as jilbab and still they do, and also trousers have been for both like in form of shalwar kameez etc it includes a trouser element...
but obviously dont go into the mens department and select some trousers for urself :smack: but the trousers which women normally buy and wear, it is designed for woman.. if men wear it they will be considered effeminate/weird/cross dresser, because it has a different style than mens..
i also agree like perfect pearl said, under the jilbab it can b better for us to have.. if nething happens like u fall or say ur jilbab accidently got ripped on something, or the wind blows a bit or something.. at least ur skin is not going to show!
ur_yusra
19-04-07, 11:22 PM
trouser as a garment is not just for men... looking in history, men also have worn long garments like the same shape as jilbab and still they do, and also trousers have been for both like in form of shalwar kameez etc it includes a trouser element...
but obviously dont go into the mens department and select some trousers for urself :smack: but the trousers which women normally buy and wear, it is designed for woman.. if men wear it they will be considered effeminate/weird/cross dresser, because it has a different style than mens..
i also agree like perfect pearl said, under the jilbab it can b better for us to have.. if nething happens like u fall or say ur jilbab accidently got ripped on something, or the wind blows a bit or something.. at least ur skin is not going to show!
:up:
Chained_Water
19-04-07, 11:31 PM
The trousers for men and women are different.. Obviously.
Can I just say.. did they have trousers at the time of the prophet (saw).. yes or no?
Yes they did, the prophet(saw) used to wear both izhar and trousers. In Mecca he(saw) wore trousers more to be different from the pagans and in Medina he wore izhars more to be different from the Jews. But both are ok although from the hadith below it seems that izhars are prefered over trousers? (but we dunno the time, context and can't say so either way really).
Ibn Abbas(ra) narrated that the Prophet delivered a sermon at 'Arafat and said, "Whoever does not get an Izar can wear trousers, and whoever cannot get a pair of shoes can wear Khuffs."
And lets remember that doesn't mean tight fitting western trousers. It could mean something similar to a shalwar which is a loose fitting trouser.. also it doesn't mean trousers that show your butt when you bend over are ok either.. the garment and the way it was worn would have obviously satisfied Islamic standards of haya.
*goes off to work*
Anna, sort me out pls!
sapphire_blue
19-04-07, 11:35 PM
The trouser style that has the zip in the middle are for men imo. So what if society NOW tells you this one is for women and this is for men. The zippers were there really for the men and they have now introduced this style for women.
Just my opinion.
oh... so we have to wear skirt and pants at the same time! But we dun ride horses to work...?!?
AnZ4evaiA
20-04-07, 08:26 AM
doesnt matter whether its designed for women or not bottom line is it's a man clothing it's not permissible for women to wear pants and go outside with it. It's not part of hijaab and the sooner some sisters realize this the better inshallah.
assalamu aleikum
doesnt matter whether its designed for women or not bottom line is it's a man clothing it's not permissible for women to wear pants and go outside with it. It's not part of hijaab and the sooner some sisters realize this the better inshallah.
assalamu aleikum
oh, then i would like to know where it says it's not permissible? Tx!
heaven2002
20-04-07, 10:26 AM
as long as its not tight fitting, it covers your body and u r not imitating men then trousers are fine i think
there are many trousers which are made for women , u dont see men wearingthe same design , they are more feminine
and when u wear trousers wear a long top or coat or jilbaab so that ur decently covered at the back and not showing ur shape
tight fitting trousers are a no-no
just wanted to know the opinions and islamic ruling about women in islam wearing trousers?
Jzk
from what i have understood and Allah knows best, it is not permissible for a woman to wear trousers because its imitating the dress of men, even the trousers that many muslim men wear in the west are not suitable because they are too tight and show the shape of a mans awra,and most do not wear loose long fitting shirts to cover from their navel to their knee. In no narration do we hear of women wearing trousers at all, indeed it is the opposite, in hadiths describing asmaa, Aisha, and woman who fought in battle and rode horses did not wear trousers this is proven from narration about how a woman who was killed her awra became exposed as she fell, and the sahabba took the life of the one who caused that to happen in battle for the honour of the muslim women, Alhamdulillah. And in other narration it is permitted for a woman to have her jilbab a handspan longer than her ankles so that it drags on the floor, and all the classical scolars give clear rulings about wether u can pray in such a garment as it has been dragging on the ground and so on,so it is well established that the dress of a woman is not trousers but a long loose fitting garment so its clearly stated what the dress of a muslim woman is. ( and having the jilbab this much longer ensures complete leg cover when horse or camel riding )
Allah has cursed the women who immitate men and men who immitate women, think about it even in the west till 150 years ago it was shameful for a woman to wear trousers and dress as a man, very quickly this became acceptable amongst the kufar with the rise of feminisim and amongst the muslims it became common, not least because the asian muslim women adopted the dress of the mushrikeen women and their deities( which is why the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said that he was free of any muslim who settled within the firelight of the mushrikeen, and indeed we see so much wisdom in that when we see how we have adopted many parts of mushrik culture and customs, and thats clearly seen in many aspects of some muslims lives today) and just like the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said we are following them down the lizard holes...
abdusamad
20-04-07, 10:40 AM
It is haraam for women to imitate men, and vice versa!
er lol. no i dont cos....
if a woman covers herself..with a jilbab..then she can wear virtually anything under that. :D
including pyjamas :1popcorn:
from what i have understood and Allah knows best, it is not permissible for a woman to wear trousers because its imitating the dress of men, even the trousers that many muslim men wear in the west are not suitable because they are too tight and show the shape of a mans awra,and most do not wear loose long fitting shirts to cover from their navel to their knee. In no narration do we hear of women wearing trousers at all, indeed it is the opposite, in hadiths describing asmaa, Aisha, and woman who fought in battle and rode horses did not wear trousers this is proven from narration about how a woman who was killed her awra became exposed as she fell, and the sahabba took the life of the one who caused that to happen in battle for the honour of the muslim women, Alhamdulillah. And in other narration it is permitted for a woman to have her jilbab a handspan longer than her ankles so that it drags on the floor, and all the classical scolars give clear rulings about wether u can pray in such a garment as it has been dragging on the ground and so on,so it is well established that the dress of a woman is not trousers but a long loose fitting garment so its clearly stated what the dress of a muslim woman is. ( and having the jilbab this much longer ensures complete leg cover when horse or camel riding )
Allah has cursed the women who immitate men and men who immitate women, think about it even in the west till 150 years ago it was shameful for a woman to wear trousers and dress as a man, very quickly this became acceptable amongst the kufar with the rise of feminisim and amongst the muslims it became common, not least because the asian muslim women adopted the dress of the mushrikeen women and their deities( which is why the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said that he was free of any muslim who settled within the firelight of the mushrikeen, and indeed we see so much wisdom in that when we see how we have adopted many parts of mushrik culture and customs, and thats clearly seen in many aspects of some muslims lives today) and just like the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said we are following them down the lizard holes...
WELL DONE SIS!...mashalllah..may Allah reward you!!:D :D
muslimah85
20-04-07, 05:55 PM
I prefer my jeans and combats too much
summer786
20-04-07, 06:24 PM
I prefer my jeans and combats too much
yeh jeans i can understand coz its hard to get loose jeans. but trousers like combats...they're really loose....if you wear a long feminine top on top isn't that alright? you cant say the outfit's imitating men
AnZ4evaiA
20-04-07, 10:24 PM
oh, then i would like to know where it says it's not permissible? Tx!
Assalamu aleikum
I'm sorry sis i didnt mean to sound harsh..forgive me inshallah:)
I doubt pants are the correct hijaab Allah knows best but its good to leave things you doubt for things you dont doubt and thats why i dont wear pants outside.
Here is Q & A i found hope it helps :)
http://www.islam-qa.com/special/index.php?ref=21438&subsite=16&ln=eng
Question:
Is are women or girls allowed to wear pants. If not Why.?
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Muslim woman have to wear clothes that will conceal the body and her ‘awrah, by wearing clothes that do not show the skin, as see-though clothes do, and do not show the shape of the body, as tight clothes do. Pants or trousers are clothes that show the shape of a woman’s body and ‘awrah, so for this reason it is not permissible for women to wear pants, unless she wears over them a wide or loose shirt. One of the aims of Islam is protect people’s ‘awrahs and avoid uncovering them, because taking this matter lightly is one of the means of falling into that which Allaah has forbidden, namely zina (fornication, adultery) and the things that lead to it. The Muslim woman has to adhere to the Islamic etiquette in the way she dresses, moves and speaks. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies”
[al-Ahzaab 33:59]
“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment ... And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allaah to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful”[al-Noor 24:31]
And Allah knows best.
‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak.[/B]
this has some nice info on the subject of a womens dress code masha Allah
Ruling on women wearing pants under a short garment
Question No 60131
Question:
Is it permissible to wear wide pants with a garment that covers the entire body and comes a handspan above the ankles, with no slits in the garment, and the garment is not see-through or tight?.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The clothing in which a woman appears before non-mahram men must meet eight conditions:
1- It should cover the entire body, including the face and hands. The evidence for that has been discussed in the answer to question no. 11774.
2- It must be wide and loose, not showing the size of her limbs or the shape of her body.
3- It should not be thin, showing the colour of her skin.
4- It should not be an adornment in and of itself, such as clothing decorated with embroidery.
5- It should not be perfumed.
6- It should not resemble the clothing of men.
7- It should not resemble the dress of kaafir women.
8- It should not be a dress of fame and vanity.
See Adaab al-Zafaaf by Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him), p. 177; Hijaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, p. 16-111; ‘Awdat al-Hijaab, 3/145-163.
Based on this, a woman should not appear in front of men wearing pants or trousers for two reasons:
1 – They show the shape of the woman’s legs
2 – Wearing them is an imitation of men
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: I think that the Muslims should not follow these fashions and kinds of clothes that come to us from here and there. Many of them are not in accordance with proper Islamic dress which involves covering the woman completely, like the short or very tight or thin clothes. That includes pants, because they show the size of a woman’s legs, as well as her stomach, waist, breasts, etc. Wearing it comes under the description given in the saheeh hadeeth: “there are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen: people with whips like the tails of cattle, with which they strike the people, and women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait, with something on their heads that looks like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will never enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such and such a distance.”
This hadeeth was narrated by Muslim, 2128.
He also said: What I think is that it is haraam for women to wear pants, because they are an imitation of men. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed women who imitate men. It also takes modesty away from the woman, because it opens the door to wearing the clothes of the people of Hell, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are two types of the people of Hell whom I have not seen…” and he described one of them as being, “women who are clothed yet naked, walking with an enticing gait, with something on their heads that looks like the humps of camels, leaning to one side. They will never enter Paradise or even smell its fragrance, although its fragrance can be detected from such and such a distance.”
End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 12, question no. 192, 104.
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (17/102): It is not permissible for (a woman) to wear pants, because that involves women resembling men.
See also question no. 10436.
With regard to wearing pants under a jilbaab, there is nothing wrong with that, rather it is more covering and more protective, if the jilbaab is wide and concealing and does not have any splits that show what is underneath it.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: If a woman wears pants and puts over them a wide garment then she will not be resembling men, so long as she wears them underneath her garments. End quote from Fataawa al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-Razzaaq ‘Afeefi, p. 573.
The basic principle is that the woman’s jilbab should be wide and cover the tops of her feet, because of the report narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1731), al-Nasaa’i (5336), Abu Dawood (4117) and Ibn Maajah (3580) from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever lets his garment drag out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection.” Umm Salamah said: “What should women do with their hems?” He said: “Let them down by a handspan.” She said: “But then their feet will be uncovered.” He said: “Then a cubit, but no more than that.” This hadeeth was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi.
Al-Baaji said: The words of Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her) regarding lengthening the hem by a handspan – “But then their feet will be uncovered” – show that this length was not sufficient to cover them, because the movement of her feet when walking quickly, combined with the shortness of the hem, would lead to them being uncovered. When she pointed that out to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he said: “Then a cubit, but no more than that.” End quote from al-Muntaqa.
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allaah preserve him) was asked: Is it mustahabb or waajib for a woman to make her dress long? Is wearing socks on the feet sufficient if the dress is shortened only so much that nothing of the calf shows? How should a woman lengthen her dress by a cubit – below the ankle or below the knee?
He replied: What is required of the Muslim woman is to cover all her body in front of men, hence she is allowed to lengthen her garment by a cubit so as to cover her feet, whereas men are forbidden to let their garments hang below their ankles. This indicates that women are required to cover all of their bodies. If a woman wears socks that is doing something extra to be more on the safe side with regard to covering, which is something good. She should also make her garment long, as described in the hadeeth. And Allaah is the Source of strength. End quote. Al-Muntaqa min Fataawa al-Shaykh al-Fawzaan, 5/334.
The point is that a woman’s jilbab should be wide and come down to her ankles or more. If it is short and comes a handspan above the ankles, that is not permissible even if she covers her calves and feet with pants or socks, because that is imitating men who are enjoined to make their garments short, above the ankles. It also shows the shape and size of her feet.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A
including pyjamas :1popcorn:
bwahaha thats what they made for :o
go out in yer PJ's :hidban:
AnZ4evaiA
20-04-07, 10:36 PM
The point is that a woman’s jilbab should be wide and come down to her ankles or more. If it is short and comes a handspan above the ankles, that is not permissible even if she covers her calves and feet with pants or socks, because that is imitating men who are enjoined to make their garments short, above the ankles. It also shows the shape and size of her feet.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A[/B]
Awesome post :up:
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