The Marriage of Adam and Eve

[ex-boyfriend]

Were Adam and Eve married or did they co-habitate while procreating ?

[Medievalist]

They were married and the dowry was Darud Shareef.

[ex-boyfriend]

They were married and the dowry was Darud Shareef.

Where is the evidence of this found?

[.: Anna :.]

Brother I think this line of argument is a bit silly, no offense. Never did any scholar use this to allow co-habiting and reproducing outside of marriage.. in fact Adam and Hawa were married. Hawa was created specifically as a wife for Adam. These are not normal people. Were not created as babies and grew up, but as adults, and when Hawa was created she was already created as wife for Adam. It is like they were married by Allah ta3ala.. the same even one of the wives of rasoolallah :saw: a formal nikah did not have to be done as Allah swt revealed ayat that he had already married him to her. Plus its made clear in Quran and hadith that marriage is the islamic way, and that relationships outside of marriage is not allowed.

[Maureen]

Were Adam and Eve married or did they co-habitate while procreating ?

As God placed them on earth to start procreation, we cannot question about their marital status. Otherwise we start questioning all God's other activities.

[ex-boyfriend]

Why has everyone side-stepped the issue and claimed nobody should question God's motive or intent regarding this particular matter of Marriage?

Is it that to be truthful on this question would negate your belief in what another has said regarding Marraige vs co-habitation ?

I Believe marraige is purely a human invention while procreation is God's design.

[ze leetle elper]

Anna has already answered your question. Eve was created specifically as a mate for Adam (as) therefore it is illogical to say that they were not married or that marriage is a human invention, since we are told in the Qur'an that Allah (swt) has created mates amongst ourselves for us all.

It has nothing to do with motive or intent.

O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from them twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women
an nisaa 4.1

[MMS]

Where is the evidence of this found?

Ibn Abbas (r) said, "Adam’s (as) creation was on Friday in the afternoon. Allah then created for him Eve, his wife, from one of his left ribs while he was asleep. When he woke up and saw her, he felt at ease with her, and he stretched his hand out to her. The angels said, ‘Stop, Adam.’ He said, ‘Why, didn't Allah create her for me?’ They said, ‘Not until you pay her dowry.’ He asked, ‘What is her dowry?’ They answered, ‘To recite praises on Muhammad three times.’" [and in another narration, twenty times].

i dont know how authentic it is :)

[Tax-Man]

Whats up with your user name bro.

[neelu]

In fact whether they were married or not is irrelevant as we obey Allah's (swt) laws as they were given in the Quran and we do not follow the shariahs of the previous prophets (as) as they were sent to guide their own people during their own eras. That is why we do not mark the Sabbath even though Allah (swt) ordered the Jews to mark it before Muhammad (saw) came along. That is why we're not permitted to commit incest even though by default, the first generation Eve gave birth to would have needed to do so to procreate.

[ex-boyfriend]

Ibn Abbas (r) said, "Adam’s (as) creation was on Friday in the afternoon. Allah then created for him Eve, his wife, from one of his left ribs while he was asleep. When he woke up and saw her, he felt at ease with her, and he stretched his hand out to her. The angels said, ‘Stop, Adam.’ He said, ‘Why, didn't Allah create her for me?’ They said, ‘Not until you pay her dowry.’ He asked, ‘What is her dowry?’ They answered, ‘To recite praises on Muhammad three times.’" [and in another narration, twenty times].

i dont know how authentic it is :)

Pardon me for being blunt, and know I do not mean any disrespect but,
‘To recite praises on Muhammad three times.’" [and in another narration, twenty times]
If Muhammad was a human being, born a mere 1300 +/- years ago,
how then can he have been mentioned by the Angels to Adam ? :rolleyes:

[ex-boyfriend]

In fact whether they were married or not is irrelevant as we obey Allah's (swt) laws as they were given in the Quran and we do not follow the shariahs of the previous prophets (as) as they were sent to guide their own people during their own eras. That is why we do not mark the Sabbath even though Allah (swt) ordered the Jews to mark it before Muhammad (saw) came along. That is why we're not permitted to commit incest even though by default, the first generation Eve gave birth to would have needed to do so to procreate.

Are you saying Allah's Laws changed over time and circumstances ?
Why would not have Allah created his Laws perfect for all time from the very beginning?

[.: Anna :.]

Pardon me for being blunt, and know I do not mean any disrespect but,

If Muhammad was a human being, born a mere 1300 +/- years ago,
how then can he have been mentioned by the Angels to Adam ? :rolleyes:

Because Allah has knowledge of the past present and future... and He subhanahu wa ta3ala is the one who tells angels what to do and say

[MMS]

Pardon me for being blunt, and know I do not mean any disrespect but,

If Muhammad was a human being, born a mere 1300 +/- years ago,
how then can he have been mentioned by the Angels to Adam ? :rolleyes:

Ibn Hibban in his Sahih and al-Hakim narrated from al-`Irbad ibn Sariya that the Prophet said, upon him peace:
“I was decreed in the Divine Presence to be the Seal of the Prophets when Adam was still kneaded in his clay.”

[.: Anna :.]

Are you saying Allah's Laws changed over time and circumstances ?
Why would not have Allah created his Laws perfect for all time from the very beginning?

It is known that Allah sometimes gave different laws for certain people, for example the Jews as a people were given some strict laws, I think as a result of them asking many questions this happened to them. Also there has been situations of graduality.. everything is not enforced at once. When Quran was revealed, it was not all in one instance, but a few ayat and then a few ayat.. like this. Common example, at first alcohol was not fully prohibited but told "dont come to salah drunk" then alcohol was fully outlawed.
Allah subhanahu wa ta3ala in His wisdom does things in this way. He could have given the Quran at the moment of creating the earth and preserved it for all time, but instead he sent messenger after messenger until finally Muhammad rasoolallah :saw: brought us the Quran which will be preserved since then for forever. Allah could have made us all like the angels which dont have a choice and dont disobey, but He did not do that either. Why He made it like this...He knows and we do not know. But it has not been one law since beginning of time never changing in any way. But now that we do have quran that is binding on us and enduring...

[sapphire_blue]

If Muhammad was a human being, born a mere 1300 +/- years ago,
how then can he have been mentioned by the Angels to Adam ? :rolleyes:


Muhammad (SAW) was so great and very dear to Allah that if he wasn't to come Allah SWT would not have created Adam AS and thus this world.

How I hear you ask did Adam AS know about Muhammad. Simple.

When Adam (AS) was begging for forgiveness for his mistake he said in the name of Muhammad (SAW) please forgive me. When Allah (SWT) asked how Adam (AS) knew of Muhammad(SAW), Adam (AS) replied that when he was been created by the hands of his Lord and when life was given to him he gazed at Allah (SWT) throne and saw the words There is none worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah in Arabic. He knew then that Allah (SWT) would not couple his name with anyone but the most beloved of his creation.

[Hassan Basri]

Why has everyone side-stepped the issue and claimed nobody should question God's motive or intent regarding this particular matter of Marriage?

Is it that to be truthful on this question would negate your belief in what another has said regarding Marraige vs co-habitation ?

I Believe marraige is purely a human invention while procreation is God's design.

Well do you beleive in the Messengers of Allah (peace be upom them)? Like Noah, Abraham, David, Joseph, Ismaeil, Issac, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed :saw: (those are just a few names there are a lot more).

If you beleive that they are the Messengers of God, and you beleive that they are our example, then ALL of them got married. Except Yahya (John the Baptist) who was marytred, and Jesus (peace be upon him) who was raised by Allah until the end of times (there may be others but I do not know. Allah Alim). However when Jesus comes back at the end of times he will get married.

So if the Prophets are the best of humanity, and they are what we should strive to imitate then the answer to your question is that marriage is NOT a man-made invention but one of the Laws of Allah. Especially since relations outside of marriage are a great crime it should be even more clear.

[neelu]

Are you saying Allah's Laws changed over time and circumstances ?
Why would not have Allah created his Laws perfect for all time from the very beginning?

Allah (swt) sent tests and miracles to people which were in the context of their time- hence why incest is haraam today but wasn't haraam for the first generation of Adam's (as) progeny.

It wasn't until the arrival of Muhammad (saw) that Allah (swt) sent the Quran and laid down laws for all time. The most important and consistent thing that all the Prophets (as) were sent with was the message of Tawheed and to worship Allah (swt)- that is something which has NEVER changed, yet most people are still usually disobedient and ungrateful to Allah (swt). It's is only the shariahs which had changed prior to the arrival of Muhammad (saw) and it is ONLY Allah (swt) who ever in the history of mankind had the right to change it.

[Maureen]

Why has everyone side-stepped the issue and claimed nobody should question God's motive or intent regarding this particular matter of Marriage?

Is it that to be truthful on this question would negate your belief in what another has said regarding Marraige vs co-habitation ?

I Believe marraige is purely a human invention while procreation is God's design.
Marriage was reinforced in the teachings of Jesus. Apart from that it is mentioned many times in the OT. by the OT Prophets, so there is no doubt that God intended marriage for those wishing to procreate.

[umm_yusuf]

Asalaamu 'alaikum ikhwan wa akhawat,

When debating, lets ensure we stick to authentic ahadeeth because some of the ahadeeth that are being quoted here are fabricated.


Jazakamullahu Khair.

[ze leetle elper]

That is your opinion. Others beg to differ.

[Lady_Mujahideen]

Were Adam and Eve married or did they co-habitate while procreating ?

i think this is a really pathetic thread, No Offense (>'.'<).
Some people should try and be a little more serious when it comes to Islam. ("_)

[ex-boyfriend]

Asalaamu 'alaikum ikhwan wa akhawat,

When debating, lets ensure we stick to authentic ahadeeth because some of the ahadeeth that are being quoted here are fabricated.


Jazakamullahu Khair.

Thank you :up:
I only seek to spread truth and dispell falsehoods and fabricated beliefs.
Some people may take offense when their beliefs are challenged in this way.
I mean no disrespect toward anyone yet, I feel a discussion of the truthfullness of certain beliefs is neccessary.

Regarding marriage, is it neccessary for a third party to conduct a ceremony
or is it just as valid if two pledge their love of each other in the sight of Allah alone?

I believe if I and my partner were alone and we made a pledge of marriage together,
that would be sufficient in the eyes of God and no man has the right to break those bonds.
Legal documents are only neccessary for Societal recognition. i.e. Man's Laws

[ex-boyfriend]

i think this is a really pathetic thread, No Offense (>'.'<).
Some people should try and be a little more serious when it comes to Islam. ("_)

The original question I pose is valid and serious.
As I just wrote, I do not believe it is neccessary for a third party to permit a marriage.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

Thank you :up:
I only seek to spread truth and dispell falsehoods and fabricated beliefs.
Some people may take offense when their beliefs are challenged in this way.
I mean no disrespect toward anyone yet, I feel a discussion of the truthfullness of certain beliefs is neccessary.

Regarding marriage, is it neccessary for a third party to conduct a ceremony
or is it just as valid if two pledge their love of each other in the sight of Allah alone?

I believe if I and my partner were alone and we made a pledge of marriage together,
that would be sufficient in the eyes of God and no man has the right to break those bonds.
Legal documents are only neccessary for Societal recognition. i.e. Man's Laws

You don't know what you're talking about.

[ex-boyfriend]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Then could you point to me where in the Quran it shows I do not know what I'm talking about?

Please show me where it stipulates that a Human third party is mandated to give permission for a marriage.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

Then could you point to me where in the Quran it shows I do not know what I'm talking about?

Please show me where it stipulates that a Human third party is mandated to give permission for a marriage.

I'm telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.

You're talking complete nonsense.

Read:

http://www.soundvision.com/info/Islam/marriage.nikah.asp

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

I'm telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.

You're talking complete nonsense.



:salams Akhee there is only one person on this forum who drones on and on- sometimes asking down right mind numbing questions- they've changed their alias to ex-boyfriend and their writing pattern- but still they cannot get over their split.

Ex- she broke up with you- life goes onp- love aint a radiator -

[ex-boyfriend]

I'm telling you that you don't know what you're talking about.

You're talking complete nonsense.

Read:

http://www.soundvision.com/info/Islam/marriage.nikah.asp

social contract

Both parties mutually agree and enter into this contract.
Both bride and groom have the liberty to define various terms and conditions of their liking and make them a part of this contract.

Mahr is a token commitment of the husband's responsibility and may be paid in cash, property or movable objects to the bride herself. The amount of mahr is not legally specified,
however, moderation according to the existing social norm is recommended.

As I have stated throughout this thread, marriage is a social contract implimented through the existing social norm of Human Laws.

http://www.soundvision.com/info/Islam/marriage.nikah.asp

[ex-boyfriend]

:start:

:salams

:salams Akhee there is only one person on this forum who drones on and on- sometimes asking down right mind numbing questions- they've changed their alias to ex-boyfriend and their writing pattern- but still they cannot get over their split.

Ex- she broke up with you- life goes onp- love aint a radiator -

Oh, I'm over the relationship.
I am simply discussing and debating the topic at hand in this thread for it's own merits.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

:start:

:salams

:salams Akhee there is only one person on this forum who drones on and on- sometimes asking down right mind numbing questions- they've changed their alias to ex-boyfriend and their writing pattern- but still they cannot get over their split.

Ex- she broke up with you- life goes onp- love aint a radiator -

Ws.

So this guy is probably just a troll. Okay.

Bruv, I'll be honest with you, I've known people in your situation, and it makes me laugh, I enjoy laughing at people like you. You disobey Allah and His Messenger, you get hurt and then starting crying like little girls. You brought it onto yourself, it is entirely your own fault.

The funniest thing? You’re a bloke. Since when do guys come on to forums and sob like little girls? rotfl, you’re a joke.

Repent.

[ex-boyfriend]

Ws.

So this guy is probably just a troll. Okay.

Bruv, I'll be honest with you, I've known people in your situation, and it makes me laugh, I enjoy laughing at people like you. You disobey Allah and His Messenger, you get hurt and then starting crying like little girls. You brought it onto yourself, it is entirely your own fault.

The funniest thing? You’re a bloke. Since when do guys come on to forums and sob like little girls? rotfl, you’re a joke.

Repent.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
This thread has nothing to do with any relationship I had.
You are simply changing the subject because you can not honestly debate this topic.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

You have no idea what you are talking about.
This thread has nothing to do with any relationship I had.
You are simply changing the subject because you can not honestly debate this topic.

This thread may not have, but the post I was responding to had everything to do with it. And I do know what I'm talking about, believe me.

Regarding the topic, there is nothing to debate. If people want to fornicate like pigs, then shame on them, I spit on them, they will be held to account. The ruling of Allah – Most High is clear, no one can smear the sanctity of marriage.

And can I tell you I find username offensive - ex-boyfriend? * spits in disgust *

Salaam

[ex-boyfriend]

This thread may not have, but the post I was responding to had everything to do with it. And I do know what I'm talking about, believe me.

Regarding the topic, there is nothing to debate. If people want to fornicate like pigs, then shame on them, I spit on them, they will be held to account. The ruling of Allah – Most High is clear, no one can smear the sanctity of marriage.

And can I tell you I find username offensive - ex-boyfriend? * spits in disgust *

Salaam

So. let's see
We have never met, most likely live worlds apart and yet, you know about my personal life?
As for the chosen user name, that will be changed per Chained Waters request.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

This thread may not have, but the post I was responding to had everything to do with it. And I do know what I'm talking about, believe me.

Regarding the topic, there is nothing to debate. If people want to fornicate like pigs, then shame on them, I spit on them, they will be held to account. The ruling of Allah – Most High is clear, no one can smear the sanctity of marriage.

And can I tell you I find username offensive - ex-boyfriend? * spits in disgust *

Salaam

:salams

Wallahi Akhee speaking to ex-boyf will do ur head in (past experience) I would debate with him for hours and mr ex always thinks he's right- sometimes he asks the most silliest questions as if to make Islam look silly which Alhamdulillah it doesn't.

He's not Muslim and he has a few issues with Islam- otherwise he would have taken his Shahadah like a good guy

:wswrwb:

[.: Anna :.]

Thank you :up:
I only seek to spread truth and dispell falsehoods and fabricated beliefs.
Some people may take offense when their beliefs are challenged in this way.
I mean no disrespect toward anyone yet, I feel a discussion of the truthfullness of certain beliefs is neccessary.

Regarding marriage, is it neccessary for a third party to conduct a ceremony
or is it just as valid if two pledge their love of each other in the sight of Allah alone?

I believe if I and my partner were alone and we made a pledge of marriage together,
that would be sufficient in the eyes of God and no man has the right to break those bonds.
Legal documents are only neccessary for Societal recognition. i.e. Man's Laws


no it is not legit to do a marriage ceremony just the two of you... marriage requires 2 sane witnesses or its not going to be valid.

plus how its not allowed for 2 non married man + woman 2 b alone 2 gether... u would not be able in a halal way 2 come 2geta just the pair of u to perform the ceremony. and also shaytan would b ur wedding guest in that case (cos a man and a woman alone... shaytan is the third :rolleyes:)

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

So. let's see
We have never met, most likely live worlds apart and yet, you know about my personal life?
As for the chosen user name, that will be changed per Chained Waters request.

rotfl.

You're a funny guy. I don't want to go into all this now, the basis for my posts were the posts of another member. If I'm wrong, I take it back. But then again, just look at your username, what do you expect the people here to think? To think you came to an Islamic forum with that in username in mind is pathetic, it is utterly disrespectful to this forum and every member. http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

Salaam

[ex-boyfriend]

:start:
:salams

Wallahi Akhee speaking to ex-boyf will do ur head in (past experience) I would debate with him for hours and mr ex always thinks he's right- sometimes he asks the most silliest questions as if to make Islam look silly which Alhamdulillah it doesn't.

He's not Muslim and he has a few issues with Islam- otherwise he would have taken his Shahadah like a good guy

:wswrwb:

I do not make Islam look silly, why do you say that?
I do not have any issues with ISLAM, only dogma that has no place and leads others astray.
As for reciting the Shahadah like a good guy, I have already pledged my soul to Allah.
Apparently you're out of the loop :rolleyes:
At least I'm not the type who recites the Shahadah, never intending to follow any of the requirements.
I know my heart, mind and soul is on the true path.
I can't say as much for others I know.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

:start:



:salams

Wallahi Akhee speaking to ex-boyf will do ur head in (past experience) I would debate with him for hours and mr ex always thinks he's right- sometimes he asks the most silliest questions as if to make Islam look silly which Alhamdulillah it doesn't.

He's not Muslim and he has a few issues with Islam- otherwise he would have taken his Shahadah like a good guy

:wswrwb:

Ws.

So he's not even Muslim?

Someone ban this troll.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

I do not make Islam look silly, why do you say that?
I do not have any issues with ISLAM, only dogma that has no place and leads others astray.
As for reciting the Shahadah like a good guy, I have already pledged my soul to Allah.
Apparently you're out of the loop :rolleyes:
At least I'm not the type who recites the Shahadah, never intending to follow any of the requirements.
I know my heart, mind and soul is on the true path.
I can't say as much for others I know.

So you are Muslim!?!

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

So you are Muslim!?!

If you want this answer- ask him if he belives in the second part of the Shahadah- that Muhammad :saw: the most beautiful man to set foot on this earth - peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and his family is the Final Messenger of Allah.

:wswrwb:

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

:start:

:salams



If you want this answer- ask him if he belives in the second part of the Shahadah- that Muhammad :saw: the most beautiful man to set foot on this earth - peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and his family is the Final Messenger of Allah.

:wswrwb:

Ws.

Not much more to add really.

So ex-boyfriend, 'what say you?'...

[neelu]

I do not have any issues with ISLAM, only dogma that has no place and leads others astray.

Islam is not a DIY shop, where you pick the components you like to fit together the way you want and then discard the rest. If you want to set up a new religion where two people don't need witnesses to get married then that's up to you; but don't come here pretending that you can name your new fangled rubbish as something to do with Islam. Authentic references from the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) explain the nikah process referred to in the Quran. This is how Muslims know the procedure for getting married. You've been a disgusting person living in sin for such a long time astaghfirullah that shows your clear disregard of Islam so why are you now so concerned with how Muslims organise their lives in a halal manner?

As for reciting the Shahadah like a good guy, I have already pledged my soul to Allah.

You sure that's not a typo? Weren't you about to write 'Zina' instead of 'Allah'?:rolleyes:


At least I'm not the type who recites the Shahadah, never intending to follow any of the requirements.

Well you admit yourself that you were living in sin with your girlfriend so it seems more like you're the one who doesn't intend to follow the requirements entailed by the Shahadah.


I know my heart, mind and soul is on the true path.

Which "true path" allows you to sleep around? Certainly not the path Allah (swt) has ordered us to follow and a path which digresses from what Allah (swt) ordered is a "false path".

[Maureen]

Then could you point to me where in the Quran it shows I do not know what I'm talking about?

Please show me where it stipulates that a Human third party is mandated to give permission for a marriage.
Regettably some of my friends have been married by the so-called contract by a marriage celebrant.
I know most of you would get married in a Mosque and that is OK,it is your choice. I would urge Christians to get married in church. God's blessing is necessary for a successful union in the Church or Mosque. The "contract" of which you are speaking, is shallow. Consider all the marriages that break up. I would imagine that the majority were by marriage celebrants.
So in short, God's blessing is essential for a long and happy union.

[ex-boyfriend]

Islam is not a DIY shop, where you pick the components you like to fit together the way you want and then discard the rest. If you want to set up a new religion where two people don't need witnesses to get married then that's up to you; but don't come here pretending that you can name your new fangled rubbish as something to do with Islam. Authentic references from the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) explain the nikah process referred to in the Quran. This is how Muslims know the procedure for getting married. You've been a disgusting person living in sin for such a long time astaghfirullah that shows your clear disregard of Islam so why are you now so concerned with how Muslims organise their lives in a halal manner?

You sure that's not a typo? Weren't you about to write 'Zina' instead of 'Allah'? :rolleyes:

Well you admit yourself that you were living in sin with your girlfriend so it seems more like you're the one who doesn't intend to follow the requirements entailed by the Shahadah.

Which "true path" allows you to sleep around? Certainly not the path Allah (swt) has ordered us to follow and a path which digresses from what Allah (swt) ordered is a "false path".

You sure that's not a typo?
Weren't you about to write 'Zina' instead of 'Allah'? :rolleyes:

I find it amazing in that had this type of rhetoric been leveled at a muslim member it would be cause for being banned yet, because I am not a muslim in your eyes, it is tolerated even encouraged.

[Mujaheedah]

Brother but when you are corrected about a sin, it just makes it worse when you try to prove that you are right. If you are trying to use that question as a justification, it is the most ignorant question i've ever heard.

[ex-boyfriend]

Brother but when you are corrected about a sin, it just makes it worse when you try to prove that you are right. If you are trying to use that question as a justification, it is the most ignorant question i've ever heard.

Yet not one person has proven my contention Re: The Marriage of Adam and Eve wrong.
They only have attempted to justify their belief by leveling personal attacks against my character (of which they know not)

[Mujaheedah]

Yet not one person has proven my contention Re: The Marriage of Adam and Eve wrong.
They only have attempted to justify their belief by leveling personal attacks against my character (of which they know not)
When you become a muslim you accept the prophet Muhammed (saw) as the last prophet and the Quran as your book. It is clearly shown in the Quran and Sunnah how extremely haram it is to have an intimate relation with a woman who is not your wife. The teachings of the prophet (saw) are what we are supposed to live according to. If you go according to your understanding of Islam then Sulaiman married 100 women why don't you try that out? and Ibrahim (as) was about to sacrifice his son until Allah (swt) intervened, I don't see anyone trying to sacrifice their sons. Hawa was made as a wife for Adam, and this was Allah (swt)'s plan. It is not up to us to ask questions about that. Asking too many question is harmful to oneself. When you are a muslim you follow the Quran and Sunnah so brother read up about what you really want to know the answer is pretty clear.

[.: Anna :.]

Yet not one person has proven my contention Re: The Marriage of Adam and Eve wrong.
They only have attempted to justify their belief by leveling personal attacks against my character (of which they know not)why dont you read the first page of the thread?? :rolleyes:

you are just being ridiculous, attention seeking and trying to justify your haram...:rolleyes:

get it into your head stan, Adam alayhi salam and Hawa.. they were married :inlove: whereas you living with your girlfriend and not being married is haraam, is zina, and is nothing to do with Adam alayhi salam and Hawa AT ALL....

I don't know why you would be confused about this. Are you trying to delude yourself or something?? its getting really tiresome anyway..:rolleyes:

[Ebony]

:rotfl: @ stan...ahhh...

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

I find it amazing in that had this type of rhetoric been leveled at a muslim member it would be cause for being banned yet, because I am not a muslim in your eyes, it is tolerated even encouraged.


No Muslim esp once with dignity would even think of posting the fact they have been cooped up with their partner - a crime which is unlawful and haraam in Islam. Pakistanis call people like that beghairat.


You witter on and on about this lady when i feel you should move on- you say you're over it but clearly you're not. Ummah.com cannot help you in this matter, you both chose your paths, when it turns sour- ummah members are not going to provide kleenex and chocolates and a shoulder to cry on- you need to be mature instead of ranting and raving about things which not only sound silly but make you sound silly.

Would Allah the most High allow Aadam and Hawaa (Eve) to live unlawfully? Hawaa was made for Aadam- is is downright insulting for you to suggeust sometimething so vile regarding our Prophet but that proves the point that externally you may witter on about peace- but internally you have some major issues with Islam and the fact is you don't go research but rather feel your views and your thinking is the right one.

It's time to get over things- go out, explore the world using your free bus pass- i would! :p

[ex-boyfriend]

why dont you read the first page of the thread?? :rolleyes:

you are just being ridiculous, attention seeking and trying to justify your haram...:rolleyes:

get it into your head stan, Adam alayhi salam and Hawa.. they were married :inlove: whereas you living with your girlfriend and not being married is haraam, is zina, and is nothing to do with Adam alayhi salam and Hawa AT ALL....

I don't know why you would be confused about this. Are you trying to delude yourself or something?? its getting really tiresome anyway..:rolleyes:

Nothing and nobody has shown that Adam and Eve were married.
True, as the story goes they were MATES but, nothing ever states that a marriage occured.
The only proof is that they were one man and one woman who lived together, procreated together.
If this indicated that TWO PEOPLE who love each other and vow to remain loyal to each other are to be considered married, my question is why a third party is needed to oversee and grant a Social/civil blessing for it to be regarded as legal and proper.

I'm not really sure how any relationship of mine entered into this debate.
Perhaps it is only because nobody has the answer and needs to change the topic?

BTW, the name is NOT Stan

[.: Anna :.]

Eve was created as wife of Adam alayhi salam...
what does Husband + wife =? Married :rolleyes:
Its not rocket science :smack:

[ex-boyfriend]

Eve was created as wife of Adam alayhi salam...
what does Husband + wife =? Married :rolleyes:
Its not rocket science :smack:

The story is one of the creation of man and woman and the subsequent peopling of the world.

Were Adam and Eve married? (http://www.reapteam.org/were-adam-and-eve-married)

Here is an alternate view on this topic:
Adam is troubled by the thought of marrying Eve (http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/relg/historygeography/TheFirstBookofAdamandEve/chap8.html)

[Supernova Nebula]

The story is one of the creation of man and woman and the subsequent peopling of the world.

Were Adam and Eve married? (http://www.reapteam.org/were-adam-and-eve-married)

Here is an alternate view on this topic:
Adam is troubled by the thought of marrying Eve (http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/relg/historygeography/TheFirstBookofAdamandEve/chap8.html)

U, is a joka:rolleyes: not a funny one though:rolleyes:

[*IslamicGirl*]

Well because Mr Stan – everything that occurs in your life- you feel the need to proclaim it to the world esp. on Ummah.com – your relationship broke down (as expected) and know you feel the need to slander two beautiful personalities Islam has been blessed with, you need to grow up and act your age and I mean this- this is not changing the topic, rather you cannot read and comprehend people’s answers- people have answered you yet you still witter on and on like a badly recorded record.

If you feel that there isn’t a need for third person to grant a social/civil blessing …that’s fine…live like that with your partner…oh dear she left you. Time to grow up stan and face reality- something that u=is Haraam never has a good outcome.


Nothing and nobody has shown that Adam and Eve were married.
True, as the story goes they were MATES but, nothing ever states that a marriage occured.
The only proof is that they were one man and one woman who lived together, procreated together.
If this indicated that TWO PEOPLE who love each other and vow to remain loyal to each other are to be considered married, my question is why a third party is needed to oversee and grant a Social/civil blessing for it to be regarded as legal and proper.

I'm not really sure how any relationship of mine entered into this debate.
Perhaps it is only because nobody has the answer and needs to change the topic?

BTW, the name is NOT Stan

[Maureen]

Nothing and nobody has shown that Adam and Eve were married.
True, as the story goes they were MATES but, nothing ever states that a marriage occured.
The only proof is that they were one man and one woman who lived together, procreated together.
If this indicated that TWO PEOPLE who love each other and vow to remain loyal to each other are to be considered married, my question is why a third party is needed to oversee and grant a Social/civil blessing for it to be regarded as legal and proper.

I'm not really sure how any relationship of mine entered into this debate.
Perhaps it is only because nobody has the answer and needs to change the topic?

BTW, the name is NOT Stan

Adam and Eve were special people, being the first on earth, put there by God. If we start questioning their relationship, then we are questioning God's plan for humankind.