You're walking down the street...what would you do?

[.: Rashid :.]

Assalamu alaikum,

You're walking down the street. You see an old kafir man getting the crap beat out of him by a Muslim youth (gangsta type) who's clearly intent on mugging this guy for money/phone. What do you do?

a) Help the old guy.
b) Get attention of other people nearby (if you're a woman)/report it to the police.
c) Help the Muslim guy mug the old guy.
d) Carry on walking as if nothing happened.

Please vote and comment if you think the poll is unfair for whatever reason...tryna make it as fair as possible. Reason for this poll is discussion from this (http://ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1792161&postcount=44) thread.

-Rashid

[Makki]

i dont think you need to specify "gangsta type" cos i think i would answer the same if a brother with a beard and a thobe was beating up an old man.

[.: Rashid :.]

i dont think you need to specify "gangsta type" cos i think i would answer the same if a brother with a beard and a thobe was beating up an old man.

Actually, come to think of it...if that were the case (brother with a beard and thob) I'd ask what he's doing...if he didn't reply then I'd use force against him. If he gave a bad reason, I'd use force. If he gave a good reason I'd consider my next course of action depending on what that reason was

e.g. old kafir guy is actually a paedophile who sexually abused and killed my 6 year old daughter = help the brother.

Oh wait, just realised, scenario was his intention is clearly to steal :smack:

OK fine I'd do the same. But I don't wanna edit the post cos it puts that lil italic line at the bottom of your post and I don't like it :o

-Rashid

[Niqaabi]

Because its a muslim guy beating a kafir guy up i would go over there and ask what the matter is and if the idiot is after the mobile phone or money or something then i would remind him that he is muslim and Allah is watching. If he dont listen then i'd call the police in front of him.
I think its good that i make sure the old man sees that i do this cos then he wont get a bad idea of islam and think muslim kids are getting asbos etc just to show him not all muslims are like this.

[perfectpearl]

I would call the police cuz i know those punks can do something funny if i try to protect the old guy myself. If there weak without weapons ill defiantly jump in and through punches and kicks at them! :buttkick:

Ill get the pepper spray and :bang:

[Makki]

But I don't wanna edit the post cos it puts that lil italic line at the bottom of your post and I don't like it :o

-Rashid

lol me neither.

[bint]

id sort him out. and keep the old man safe.

[.: Rashid :.]

I would call the police cuz i know those punks can do something funny if i try to protect the old guy myself. If there weak without weapons ill defiantly jump in and through punches and kicks at them! :buttkick:

Ill get the pepper spray and :bang:

True though...dangerous for a sister. Don't want sisters getting seriously hurt :coolbro:

lol at the pepper spray...could do with some of that :p

id sort him out. and keep the old man safe.

Brave :up:

-Rashid

[$HugoBoss$]

Option C- Than after were done mugging him i'll ask the muslim youth what the kuffar did :D:

[.: Rashid :.]

There should be one more option

1) Help the gangster muslim youth beat the kafir even more :D

thats option c

-Rashid

[bint]

Brave :up:

-Rashid

show that islam isnt about thug fights.

There should be one more option

1) Help the gangster muslim youth beat the kafir even more :D

u shud be ashamed of ureself.

[$HugoBoss$]

u shud be ashamed of ureself.

Depends on the situation, i've seen old guys in america swear at muslim sisters and call them dirty names. If a brother gets in a fight i will help him for sure but only for the right reason.

[.: Rashid :.]

Depends on the situation, i've seen old guys in america swear at muslim sisters and call them dirty names. If a brother gets in a fight i will help him for sure but only for the right reason.

In this scenario it is explicitly obvious that the intent is to steal property. Not anything righteous (read my response to makki's post)

-Rashid

[bint]

Depends on the situation, i've seen old guys in america swear at muslim sisters and call them dirty names. If a brother gets in a fight i will help him for sure but only for the right reason.


dont generalise tho yeah? because this old man may just be innocent..and to not help him wudnt exactly be human.

[.: Rashid :.]

dont generalise tho yeah? because this old man may just be innocent..and to not help him wudnt exactly be human.

The whole point/question is that he's innocent and the Muslim is in the wrong.

UnDosTres and Iggy had (I think i've mostly cleared it up now...?) a mis-conception that Muslims would never help a kafir over a Muslim.

-Rashid

[bint]

okay now that hE IS innocent then there is no doubt of helping him.

[.: Rashid :.]

okay now that hE IS innocent then there is no doubt of helping him.

UDT and Iggy felt that some/most Muslims wouldn't help.

And someone has voted option d) :scratch:

-Rashid

[$HugoBoss$]

dont generalise tho yeah? because this old man may just be innocent..and to not help him wudnt exactly be human.

I would mind my own business, in america if you see something like this happen and if you get involved with these young youths muslim or not. You either will get shot or stabbed.

If it's a real bad situation than i might call the police, maybe. I don't want to be a witness police bug you to much, to many corrupt cops where i lived in chicago.

[bint]

no offence but i KNOW alot of people round my end would help out. not all muslims are backward in that sense. it also depends on where u live etc tec.

[$HugoBoss$]

no offence but i KNOW alot of people round my end would help out. not all muslims are backward in that sense. it also depends on where u live etc tec.

They would never help out in the situations i've seen, they wouldn't even think about it. I'm a big guy bint but i would never risk my life in the situations i've seen it's just not woth it, it does really depend on where you live.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams


Ever since i was a child i have known a lot of these gangster brother either through their sisters/mothers or through studying with them - most of them are harmless and so i would approach the brother in questions and get him to stop.


I would get into fights like this years back - 7/8 years ago as i would be defending some weird random cause but now Alhamdulillah i've realised not every fight is with violence.

There is no questions of actually getting involved - Astaghfirullah.

Majority of brothers i know evenb if i have not spoken to them then i know which family they're from - and i'm sure a brother would listen to a fellow muslim especially a sister - otherwise i'd attack him with my oh so cool yet deadley massive hidjaab pin :nerdsis:

Duas

Pin(pong)Girl :nerdsis:


:wswrwb:

[.: Rashid :.]

no offence but i KNOW alot of people round my end would help out. not all muslims are backward in that sense. it also depends on where u live etc tec.

Can't remember what the phenomena is called but there's a lot of cases where people get abused in public openly...and no one does anything (a lot of unreported cases of girls getting abused on packed buses by old men, and no one steps in :rubeyes: something to do with them screaming help, and because its collective/general everyone assumes that someone else will help so no one ends up doing anything)

Anywho I went on a weird random tangent there :o

Basically what I intended to say was: some things are worth getting hurt over. The Prophet :saw: commanded us to help our oppressed and oppressive brothers. I intend to follow his commands insha'Allah.

-Rashid

[Lambo5688]

Kaafir or not, id help a old person.

Do sisters really carry pepper spray??:confused:

[perfectpearl]

Kaafir or not, id help a old person.

Do sisters really carry pepper spray??:confused:

lol yes they do. I currently don't though. I need to get some though! :D

[.: Rashid :.]

Kaafir or not, id help a old person.

Do sisters really carry pepper spray??:confused:

Exactly. This is just to clear up a misunderstanding UnDosTres and Iggy had.

lol yes they do. I currently don't though. I need to get some though! :D

:up:

-Rashid

[Kh@led]

Assuming the old guy is a simple, ordinary old guy, I will definitely try to help him if possible (e.g. if its safe).

[Kubs]

Assalamu alaikum,

You're walking down the street. You see an old kafir man getting the crap beat out of him by a Muslim youth (gangsta type) who's clearly intent on mugging this guy for money/phone. What do you do?

a) Help the old guy.
b) Get attention of other people nearby (if you're a woman)/report it to the police.
c) Help the Muslim guy mug the old guy.
d) Carry on walking as if nothing happened.

Please vote and comment if you think the poll is unfair for whatever reason...tryna make it as fair as possible. Reason for this poll is discussion from this (http://ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1792161&postcount=44) thread.

-Rashid

Phone the police immediately...or try to help the old man myself.

[me.sawda]

I'd fast ask whats happening and will take action based on the answer. Maybe they are playing mugging:rolleyes: like kids does... do you think elders sometimes doesn't feel to play?
OK...OK no kidding. As a Muslim I'll try to stop the wrong doing no matte rhow. I'll give my best try INSHALLAH:D

[UnoDosTres]

I must say I'm presently surprised with the results. I can also say that it looks like a few people who seem to hate kuffar have not voted in the poll.

In emergency situtations, one of the best things to do is to first call the police or for an ambulance or whatever and then start helping the victim. You don't want to become a victim yourself thereby making other rescuers job harder.

Peace

[.: Rashid :.]

I must say I'm presently surprised with the results. I can also say that it looks like a few people who seem to hate kuffar have not voted in the poll.

In emergency situtations, one of the best things to do is to first call the police or for an ambulance or whatever and then start helping the victim. You don't want to become a victim yourself thereby making other rescuers job harder.

Peace

Why are you surprised? And feel free to PM the Muslims you have in mind asking them to vote on this poll.

I disagree...in real emergency situations the time it takes to call police/ambulance is long. I'd just go straight in for it (grabbing anything nearby that could be used as a weapon in the process)

Plus if its during daytime, if you make a lot of noise someone else'll probably call police/ambulance anyway...more people call police than help out physically so...

Also good to carry pepper spray :up: (regardless of what the law says)

-Rashid

[tauheedul]

If i was getting beat up by a group of non muslims, i would EXPECT ANYONE who has a heart to help me. It doesnt matter if they do not follow your faith, if you see injustice done to another person you should help them.

To be ignorant of it, we will surely be questioned about it on the day of judgement.

Ofcourse, if you are a woman you should seek aid from people including the police. If you are a man, you should do everything in your power to stop them insha'allah.

[xris]

i would walk by cose i know he would go to hell.only joking.how big is this muslim and have i got access to a big stick.honestly ive watched a guy get kicked to death and when i tried to intervene i got a broken nose.

[tauheedul]

i would walk by cose i know he would go to hell.only joking.how big is this muslim and have i got access to a big stick.honestly ive watched a guy get kicked to death and when i tried to intervene i got a broken nose.

At least you tried out of genuine care and did not decide to remain ignorant of it.

[UnoDosTres]

Why are you surprised? And feel free to PM the Muslims you have in mind asking them to vote on this poll.

Because only one person has posted they'd walk by. I must say I expected more than one.

The majority of responses don't surprise me. The fact that they're an overwhelming majority does.

[.: Rashid :.]

i would walk by cose i know he would go to hell.only joking.how big is this muslim and have i got access to a big stick.honestly ive watched a guy get kicked to death and when i tried to intervene i got a broken nose.

Why did you vote for option c)? :rolleyes:

Y'know some kafir's gonna come onto this board, see the vote and think "3% of Muslims are pure evil" :rolleyes:

Because only one person has posted they'd walk by. I must say I expected more than one.

The majority of responses don't surprise me. The fact that they're an overwhelming majority does.

Well there you go...one more misconception cleared up. Agreed?

-Rashid

[`asiya]

as a woman id probably get some assistance ( any passerby ) and go help or distract the attacker in some way.

actualy happened to me when i lived in birmingham, handsworth, ( i wasnt a muslim then though) when my boys were babies, i was waiting in the car with them while their father went to get something from the shop, an old man came out of a shop putting something in his wallet and 3 big guys jumped him, kicking him while hes on the floor, other men just walked past like nothing was going on. i wasnt going to leave the babies alone in the car ( cos there was a spate of people stealing babies back then from their buggies in birmingham) so i hit the horn on the car and just kept beeping it to distract the attackers, seemed to work cos they started looking around and legged it , but when my husband came back he said i was an idiot and shouldnt get invloved unless i want to get knifed... yea .. and he was probably right, its hard to know what to do for the best.

[Enigma Dreamer]

It is obvious, you help the old guy.

[xris]

Why did you vote for option c)? :rolleyes:

Y'know some kafir's gonna come onto this board, see the vote and think "3% of Muslims are pure evil" :rolleyes:



Well there you go...one more misconception cleared up. Agreed?

-Rashidonly joking.cant stand voting it gets you nowere.

[.: Rashid :.]

only joking.cant stand voting it gets you nowere.

Yeah I know but think about the consequences...

Someone's gonna come onto this forum, see this thread, see the poll, and see 2.X% votes for option c) and go away thinking a genuine Muslim actually voted that :rolleyes:

Sabotage...I wish you could delete votes or something but then that'd undermine the whole thing :p

Ah well...hopefully newcomers will bother to read the thread...

-Rashid

[umm_yusuf]

I'd definately help the old guy in that I'll try and get people to go and sort it out with the muslim boys.

I'd be shook to call the police though because I dont think it is permissible to hand over a muslim to the kafir police for any reason and Allah knows best.

[xris]

Yeah I know but think about the consequences...

Someone's gonna come onto this forum, see this thread, see the poll, and see 2.X% votes for option c) and go away thinking a genuine Muslim actually voted that :rolleyes:

Sabotage...I wish you could delete votes or something but then that'd undermine the whole thing :p

Ah well...hopefully newcomers will bother to read the thread...

-Rashidi was trying to point out the stupidity of opinions that polls can protray.i m sorry i did not realise the armoles that might misrepresent muslims. im sorry.

[.: Rashid :.]

I'd definately help the old guy in that I'll try and get people to go and sort it out with the muslim boys.

I'd be shook to call the police though because I dont think it is permissible to hand over a muslim to the kafir police for any reason and Allah knows best.

Ukthi what makes you think its haram to hand over a brother to the kafir police? :scratch:

i was trying to point out the stupidity of opinions that polls can protray.i m sorry i did not realise the armoles that might misrepresent muslims. im sorry.

Apology accepted :p

-Rashid

[umm_yusuf]

Ukthi what makes you think its haram to hand over a brother to the kafir police? :scratch:

I don't think we are allowed to hand over a muslim to a disbeliever for them to be judged by the rules of the disbelievers but if my stance is wrong then I stand corrected and Allah knows best.

[.: Rashid :.]

I don't think we are allowed to hand over a muslim to a disbeliever for them to be judged by the rules of the disbelievers but if my stance is wrong then I stand corrected and Allah knows best.

I'm no alim so I can't "officially" say your stance is wrong but I disagree with it.

Allahu 'alam.

Best to ask a proper alim...or a internet-alim if you can't get hold of one of them :p

-Rashid

[UnoDosTres]

Why did you vote for option c)? :rolleyes:

Well there you go...one more misconception cleared up. Agreed?

-Rashid

Agreed.

[xris]

Ukthi what makes you think its haram to hand over a brother to the kafir police? :scratch:



Apology accepted :p

-Rashidwhat would you do with him then,if you were not allowed to hand him over.

[.: Rashid :.]

what would you do with him then,if you were not allowed to hand him over.

attack him, overpower him, restrain him. assist the old guy. Carry on going wherever it was you were going when you were walking down the street.

-Rashid

[UnoDosTres]

attack him, overpower him, restrain him. assist the old guy. Carry on going wherever it was you were going when you were walking down the street.

-Rashid

So you'd stop the attack but not endorse punishing the attacker?

[Maureen]

Surely it matters not whether the victim is a Muslim or not, it would be a duty to do something about it. I would attract the attention of other passers-by and inform the police, no matter who he was. I cannot imagine someone walking by and doing absolutely nothing, that is outrageous.

[Masumah]

i wud try to help the man to the best of my ability..but a being a girl of not much strength that i mite be dificult wen it cums to the kung fu buisness..the most sensible thing i think is to alert others, notify the police and try ur best without causing more damage to help the guy.

i find it disgusting that our elderly are treated in this fashion by sum youths be they muslim or non-muslim.

Assalamu alaikum,

You're walking down the street. You see an old kafir man getting the crap beat out of him by a Muslim youth (gangsta type) who's clearly intent on mugging this guy for money/phone. What do you do?

a) Help the old guy.
b) Get attention of other people nearby (if you're a woman)/report it to the police.
c) Help the Muslim guy mug the old guy.
d) Carry on walking as if nothing happened.

Please vote and comment if you think the poll is unfair for whatever reason...tryna make it as fair as possible. Reason for this poll is discussion from this (http://ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1792161&postcount=44) thread.

-Rashid

[.: Rashid :.]

So you'd stop the attack but not endorse punishing the attacker?

No.

i wud try to help the man to the best of my ability..but a being a girl of not much strength that i mite be dificult wen it cums to the kung fu buisness..the most sensible thing i think is to alert others, notify the police and try ur best without causing more damage to help the guy.

i find it disgusting that our elderly are treated in this fashion by sum youths be they muslim or non-muslim.

:p Masha'Allah :)

-Rashid

[noorismail]

:coolbro: First we never know what we would do till the time comes. Insha Allah i would follow the Sunnah and help my brother Muslim. There is a Hadith that says you are to support your brother if he is right,or if he is wrong.Prophet Muhammad PBUH was asked "oh Messenger of Allah! we understand how to support our brother if he isright,but how do we support him if he is wrong?" RassooAllah,PBUH said: "by stopping him!" Therefore,To follow the Sunnah,your must stop the Muslim. It is not a matter of helping the Kufr.Ok,i guess that was trying to be cute,and maybe not very clear. the point is we help our fellow Muslims when we Advance the Maroof,and oppose the Munkar.It is the polcy of some of the Christians in this country to feel they are free to cheat anyone who is not on of them.This is not Islam!

[JayC]

i chose carry on walking coz i dont want to get hurt myself :o

[Redmist]

I wouldnt do this but do what most people would do - stand there and watch.

Which is a sad fact but its true.

[.: Rashid :.]

:coolbro: First we never know what we would do till the time comes. Insha Allah i would follow the Sunnah and help my brother Muslim. There is a Hadith that says you are to support your brother if he is right,or if he is wrong.Prophet Muhammad PBUH was asked "oh Messenger of Allah! we understand how to support our brother if he isright,but how do we support him if he is wrong?" RassooAllah,PBUH said: "by stopping him!" Therefore,To follow the Sunnah,your must stop the Muslim. It is not a matter of helping the Kufr.Ok,i guess that was trying to be cute,and maybe not very clear. the point is we help our fellow Muslims when we Advance the Maroof,and oppose the Munkar.It is the polcy of some of the Christians in this country to feel they are free to cheat anyone who is not on of them.This is not Islam!

Masha'Allah :up:

i chose carry on walking coz i dont want to get hurt myself :o

I can understand that cos you're a sister...but Islamically you should at least alert other people nearby who are prepared to get hurt :)

-Rashid

[noorismail]

:lailah: Brother Rasheed,You have done well! in Bringing up hard questons you have reminded brothers like myself that haveing a little knowledge,is far from being knowledgable,and that if we have Taqqwa,We have to anser these questons with proof,not just our ideas. Maybe i should post a seperate thread,but lets change the paradigm just a little. lets say a Muslim,were the victim of an attack by a Muslim who beat and robbed them? would it be permisable to seek help from the kufr police? how about if you lose your life savings to a business scam ran by somone who claims to be Muslim? Do you have access to the Kufr Courts? All of these are Questons for those of us living outside DaruSalaam.

[zaki]

As a Muslim its our job to get in the middle of this and find out what is happening! We must stop the fight, make sure the old man is ok, and have a word with the brother.

[UnoDosTres]

:lailah: Brother Rasheed,You have done well! in Bringing up hard questons you have reminded brothers like myself that haveing a little knowledge,is far from being knowledgable,and that if we have Taqqwa,We have to anser these questons with proof,not just our ideas. Maybe i should post a seperate thread,but lets change the paradigm just a little. lets say a Muslim,were the victim of an attack by a Muslim who beat and robbed them? would it be permisable to seek help from the kufr police? how about if you lose your life savings to a business scam ran by somone who claims to be Muslim? Do you have access to the Kufr Courts? All of these are Questons for those of us living outside DaruSalaam.

Good questions. I might suggest you start either a poll or a thread in the current events section.

Another discussion point is with Rashid's said earlier that he would be want to stop such an attack but not want the perpetrator to be tried/punished by kufr police.

Ps. If you live in north Texas, "Is it wet enough for ya?" At one point the water in the street was up past my knees. Once I removed the drain shield (think of a something blocking debris from entering a drain in a new neighborhood), it cleared up. Hey, either someone cleans the drains later or a bunch of houses get flooded!

[noorismail]

:lailah: UNO,AlhamduAllah there are lighting flashs right now. Someone said a severe thunderstorm warning.Spring time in Texas!

[Honey87]

Regardless of who was getting beaten up by who, whether they are non-muslim or not, i'd help the victim one way or another.

I'd call the police straight away.Doesn't really matter what's getting stolen.

i don't think it's possible to go up to the situation as a woman and try to stop it, especially with a bunch of idiots beating someone up.

It wouldn't stop me from calling the police just because the boys are Muslim

[.: Rashid :.]

:lailah: Brother Rasheed,You have done well! in Bringing up hard questons you have reminded brothers like myself that haveing a little knowledge,is far from being knowledgable,and that if we have Taqqwa,We have to anser these questons with proof,not just our ideas. Maybe i should post a seperate thread,but lets change the paradigm just a little. lets say a Muslim,were the victim of an attack by a Muslim who beat and robbed them? would it be permisable to seek help from the kufr police? how about if you lose your life savings to a business scam ran by somone who claims to be Muslim? Do you have access to the Kufr Courts? All of these are Questons for those of us living outside DaruSalaam.

:)


Another discussion point is with Rashid's said earlier that he would be want to stop such an attack but not want the perpetrator to be tried/punished by kufr police.

When did I say that? :scratch:

-Rashid

[UnoDosTres]

:)



When did I say that? :scratch:

-Rashid



http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1818164&postcount=51

I think that's what you said. Maybe it's one of those weird double-negative responses where anything you say sounds negative.

Rather than a simple yes or no answer, you might want to write a full sentence. Clobber the answer into this thick skull of mine!

[Makki]

i was trying to point out the stupidity of opinions that polls can protray.i m sorry i did not realise the armoles that might misrepresent muslims. im sorry.

liar. you were trying to make muslims look bad but you were too stupid to realise this is a public poll.

[.: Rashid :.]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1818164&postcount=51

I think that's what you said. Maybe it's one of those weird double-negative responses where anything you say sounds negative.

Rather than a simple yes or no answer, you might want to write a full sentence. Clobber the answer into this thick skull of mine!

Haha...yeah, double negative :p

I could do that but what you don't realise is that that is actually more effort ;)

-Rashid

[ummbilal]

I'd beat the muslim bro, and help the old guy, i know my husband would too

[Rabia*]

Ok muslim brother or no muslim brother if he is wrong, he is wrong. Period.
Violence is not the ans. as a muslim he should know that what he is doing is wrong in the first place! I would help without a doubt!!

[UnoDosTres]

Adding eew twists to this question.

A Muslim tells you that he killed or intended to kill some kuffar. What do you do?

Now let's assume he or she didn't come outright and say they killed someone. Let's just say they possess the murder weapon, made death threats against the target, etc. What do you do?

Does the answer vary depending on the government?

[.: Rashid :.]

Adding eew twists to this question.

A Muslim tells you that he killed or intended to kill some kuffar. What do you do?

Now let's assume he or she didn't come outright and say they killed someone. Let's just say they possess the murder weapon, made death threats against the target, etc. What do you do?

Does the answer vary depending on the government?

1. Ask him who and why.

2. If I found the murder weapon/other evidence and I suspected them...I'd confront them about it. Assuming they deny it, if I believed them, I'd believe them. If I didn't believe them, I'd report it to the necessary authorities, although in the case of the authorities I live under at the moment (British govt) there's no such thing as "justice" (is that even in the British govt's vocabulary?) so there'd be little or no point :rolleyes:

No, the answer doesn't vary. The result does.

BTW, if you want real "eew" type questions...you're walking down the road, its dark, you see a black guy dressed like a gangstar beating seven shades of *ahem* out of another black guy dressed in a pimp suit. What do you do? :p

-Rashid

[UnoDosTres]

1. Ask him who and why.

2. If I found the murder weapon/other evidence and I suspected them...I'd confront them about it. Assuming they deny it, if I believed them, I'd believe them. If I didn't believe them, I'd report it to the necessary authorities, although in the case of the authorities I live under at the moment (British govt) there's no such thing as "justice" (is that even in the British govt's vocabulary?) so there'd be little or no point :rolleyes:

No, the answer doesn't vary. The result does.

BTW, if you want real "eew" type questions...you're walking down the road, its dark, you see a black guy dressed like a gangstar beating seven shades of *ahem* out of another black guy dressed in a pimp suit. What do you do? :p

-Rashid

Call the police - no need for there to be two victims
Yell out to the guy to stop it.

From my rescue diver training (the right wing organization according to Muhammad Atta), you first need to make sure there aren't two victims before helping someone. When help is on the way, then you act!

[.: Rashid :.]

Call the police - no need for there to be two victims
Yell out to the guy to stop it.

From my rescue diver training (the right wing organization according to Muhammad Atta), you first need to make sure there aren't two victims before helping someone. When help is on the way, then you act!

Haha...

But the thing is, would you class the guy getting beat down a victim? I think both deserve what one of them is getting ;)

Personally...I'd make sure they didn't see/notice me, then do a runner! (probably bow-legged :p)

just kiddin :D I'd *ahem* call the police :coolbro:

-Rashid

[UnoDosTres]

Haha...

But the thing is, would you class the guy getting beat down a victim? I think both deserve what one of them is getting ;)

Personally...I'd make sure they didn't see/notice me, then do a runner! (probably bow-legged :p)

just kiddin :D I'd *ahem* call the police :coolbro:

-Rashid


Ah, but looks can be deceiving. If I KNEW the guy was a pimp, that would be something else.

[sonic]

thats true he could just dress like a pimp (very strange, but good for dress up parties) but if he had a horde of women following then it would be more obvious

[Cristiana]

I wanted to say "help the old guy" but if the mugger doesn't have a moral problem beating up an old man he'd definitely beat me too and I wouldn't be of much help!...

...just in case I should watch my "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" movies for some moves!!!

[wajiha10]

I would definately help the poor man, being beaten up, how horrible!:torture: It is very cruel, and even though he is a kafir, he still doesn't deserve to be beaten up!

[sisterKhadija]

I would help, but I'm a girl and have to protect myself too, I would YELL for help and tell the Brother 'Allah will not forget what you have done"

[Tax-Man]

Join in and take my cut a brothers got to eat:1popcorn:

[Te'oma]

I wouldn't bother to stop and check the muggers religion. I see someone strong, picking on someone weak I'll intervene on the behalf of the weaker everytime

[EbuZerr]

I wouldn't bother to stop and check the muggers religion. I see someone strong, picking on someone weak I'll intervene on the behalf of the weaker everytime

Huh good one.. In our religion "zulm" is prohibited and the religion of a mazloom is not asked... This case is suitable to this event... Actually, Islamic state implement a ceza to this muslim bro if the event occures on the borders of Islamic state.....

[abdalmajid]

Salaams to all

Me and a few bros have been in certain incidents where we have stopped a non-Muslim from beating up a Muslim and vice versa. The out come of one of these after seeing what we did was that a small group of youths became Muslim with in a few weeks of each other.

Its not all about who beats up who but about doing the right thing. If the Messenger (saw) of Allah (swt) took prisoners and looked after them and feed them with equal mouth fulls who are you and me to join and beat up someone just because another Muslim is beating them up just for the sake of it? Advise the Muslim and this can also be used as a form of Daw’ah. That was partly what happened in the situation with a few bros but in here the fault was on both sides but what made them all become Muslim was the way other Muslims dealt with it.

Wa salaam

Your bro

Abdal Majid Ibn Muhammad Shafi

[Suliman]

this is some weird poll dude.... what were you thinking? :confused:

[UnoDosTres]

this is some weird poll dude.... what were you thinking? :confused:


I can answer that. (I think)

This poll is help to understand what is meant by never helping a kaffir over a Muslim. It doesn't mean to help beat up a kaffir, help mug him, etc.

From a non-Muslim perspective, it does sound that way.

[Abandoned-Mind]

I can answer that. (I think)

This poll is help to understand what is meant by never helping a kaffir over a Muslim. It doesn't mean to help beat up a kaffir, help mug him, etc.

From a non-Muslim perspective, it does sound that way.

I asked a brother, who would be regarded as a sick individual by some people, and he said "I'd beat the **** out of him too*.

: O

[Christianlady]

Hopefully I would be brave enough with God's help to do the right thing, and not stupid enough by God's grace to not do something stupid...

Since I'm technically a kafir in that I'm not a follower of Mohammed's teachings. (I do consider myself muslim in that my desire is to be submitted to God, but I do this by following Jesus.) and because I'm a woman, I think it would not be wise for me to confront the bad Muslims (and yeah I already know there are a lot of good Muslims so don't get mad) I think first what I would do is call a friend who is a good Muslim and who has power and ask to come confront the person. I wouldn't get the cops unless I am in a country where I trust them. I would try to help the person being hurt though once the bad people (whether they are Muslim, Christian, whatever) go away. If I was brave and wise enough to know how, I would confront but I'd have to know what I was doing first. I am much better at being sneaky though and helping without someone seeing me, and feel more comfortable that way too...

[UnoDosTres]

I asked a brother, who would be regarded as a sick individual by some people, and he said "I'd beat the **** out of him too*.

: O

Most would probably consider him sick or at least that line of thinking sick. I'm sure there are a few that would consider him a hero.

[Abandoned-Mind]

Most would probably consider him sick or at least that line of thinking sick. I'm sure there are a few that would consider him a hero.


He said on top of that " I'd get out my camera-phone, film it, then upload it on YouTube"

We are dealing with a very sick individual people.

[Muslim_Online]

Islamically, we're asked to enjoin good and forbid evil including oppression. On instinct I'd help him and try to stop those youths.

What if the non-Muslim insulted Islaam.....What would everyone do then?

Interesting.

- MO

[Baybars]

Would definitely help the guy.

[GuCcI]

Would definitely help the guy.


lol u didnt even specify which guy :p ^


i probably wouldnt jump into their fight but i would definitely call for help becuz im not equipped with pepper spray like some lucky sisters are... it depends on if i know the guy or not... if i did, then it calls for a lecture...

[myself]

I clicked help the Old guy...

Then I'd kick the lights out of the other :mujahida:...what kinda Muslim is this, mugging old innocent people.

[saifah]

salams

a good muslim leave alone that wich doesnt concern them
and if your walking down the street and see that if he is a gangster then how would you know he is muslim ???
ok so if you called the pigs then you will be stuck talking to them and its like being a snitch
even if he is a lil'gangster how do you know he is praying or not ???
the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam said if some one prays in the dirrection of the kabbah then their blood and their wealth is saved
there is alot of hadiths similar to this
so even if he wasnt praying what if he started to pray later on but he was stuck in a prison cell for 5 years cause he got snitched

if i saw it i would just keep walking
why would i want to help a kaffir for?
my own mother is a kaffir and im so sick of all their kufr

may Allah save us from ever being like those untrustworthy kuffar Ameen

[-Espérer-]

I'd get help, but I woudlnt get involved phyically. They might beat me up too since I'm a midget. :o

[Al-Farooq]

He said on top of that " I'd get out my camera-phone, film it, then upload it on YouTube"

We are dealing with a very sick individual people.

Considering the fact that you chose option C - "Help the Muslim guy mug the old guy", some may consider you to be a sick individual as well.

However, I will not judge you based solely upon your choice on a single internet poll. But some may do just that, as is their right, given what appears to be the hypocrisy of your choice, in regards to your condemnation of someone who agreed with you - a mugging can be just as traumatic as a beating, I would imagine.

-Slapdash

[Lord Summerisle]

You missed out an option, which is what I would do;

Kick the muggers teeth down his throat and beat him to within an inch of his life.:up:

[Mazed]

Kick the muggers teeth down his throat and beat him to within an inch of his life.:up:

naa theres a secret way to get that up, simply click on option c 50 times :p

[Rie_Maya]

Be Careful who you call a Kafir
"As to those who reject Faith, It is the same to them Whether thou warn them Or do not warn them; They will not believe." The Holy Quran, 02:06 Al Baqarah
Abdullah Yusuf Ali's commentary: Kufr, Kafara, Kafir, and derivative forms of the word, imply a deliberate rejection of Faith as opposed to a mistaken idea of Allah or faith, which is not consistent with an ernest desire to see the truth. Where there is sch desire, the Grace and Mercy of Allah gives guidance. But that guidance is not efficacious when it is deliberately rejected, and the possibility of rejection follows from the grant of free will. The consequence of the rejection is that spiritual faculties become dead or impervious to better influence.

Be careful who you call Kafir because only Allah knows who is truly a rejector and who is merely a misguided person. It is not up to us to "sentence" a person to the Hellfire.
We must always maintain courtesy, diplomacy and a never-dying zeal to convey the message to others no matter how discouraging or useless it may seem - don't give up on a non-muslim because most people are good people who simply need a break from the anti-Islamic propaganda around them.

The Fastest Way to Leave Islam

It is always safest to assume that a non-muslim has been misguided, misinformed and fed lies and misconceptions about Islam and Muslims - don't jump to calling him a Kafir. Remove the name-calling from your articles and websites - wouldn't you rather be safe than sorry - name-calling, especially wrongly branding someone as 'evil', 'kafr' and 'manifestation of satan' - GHEEBOT - could entail dire consequences for us on Judgement Day.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/kafr.html

[Sister-Ameena*]

:salams I'd help out the guy getting mugged, call for help from the authorities, and I'd also inform the person's parents. That's honestly disrespectful. I don't care what colour, religion, creed or gender you come from. If a person is helpless, I'll surely help them. :):)

[LFC]

Off topic, but my name looks really out of place in red with all those other colours. :o

[MalikOne™]

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[hammerofthehuns]

two ppl that will be getting punished in the grave, one that was careless in relieving himself as regards mantaining cleanliness, the other one who walked by someone in distress.

[unique_zenab]

Because its a muslim guy beating a kafir guy up i would go over there and ask what the matter is and if the idiot is after the mobile phone or money or something then i would remind him that he is muslim and Allah is watching. If he dont listen then i'd call the police in front of him.
I think its good that i make sure the old man sees that i do this cos then he wont get a bad idea of islam and think muslim kids are getting asbos etc just to show him not all muslims are like this.

i would so the same :up:

[[- _ +]]

I chose d), people should learn to mind their own business lol

[abdusamad]

Leave alone that which does not concern you.

[enchanted_rose]

I would go up to them and ask the muslim guy exactly what he was doing and why he would want to do such a thing. I will remind him of the punishment that he will receive in the hereafter and if that doesn't change his mind. I will resort to violence to help the old man and put my karate skills to good use. :bangbang:

Kids must learn to respect their elders :torture:

[Abu Mus'ab]

someone actually voted for the third option :rotfl:

[miss-islamic]

Leave alone that which does not concern you.

"Enjoin the good and forbid the evil?" Especially when someone is being wronged and oppressed.

[Emelianenko]

Assalamu alaikum,

You're walking down the street. You see an old kafir man getting the crap beat out of him by a Muslim youth (gangsta type) who's clearly intent on mugging this guy for money/phone. What do you do?

a) Help the old guy.
b) Get attention of other people nearby (if you're a woman)/report it to the police.
c) Help the Muslim guy mug the old guy.
d) Carry on walking as if nothing happened.

Please vote and comment if you think the poll is unfair for whatever reason...tryna make it as fair as possible. Reason for this poll is discussion from this (http://ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1792161&postcount=44) thread.

-Rashid
Help the old fella.

[Tahiyah]

i think most sane people would help the person who is getting beat up :rolleyes:

[-Shamil-]

i'd mug the muslim guy