Ahlul Bayt

[umar7]

salam alaykum

I'm very confused aout the issue of people descended from the prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam and being called sayyids.

What is their status in islam and what should be etiquette towards anyone descended from Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam. I always thought people in the ummah should be treated equitably and that there was no such thing as royalty or nobility.... What is the point of mentioning someones descent from the noble prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam except to hear someone say "ooh"

What brought my attention to this even though tehre are other things i'd like to focus on in Islam right now was the thread on lineage here and this story that was linked a little while ago.

http://www.islamcan.com/cgi-bin/increaseiman/htmlfiles/static/110338510143079.shtml

are we obligated to them anymore than other muslims? that story was sticking to my head for so long because i didnt' understand the morale of it assuming i didn't take into account the status of a sayyid. the wreslter helped a fellow muslim but couldnt he have won the tournament and just given him the money instead of committing blatant fraud?

and please excuse my ignorance.

[Fahad Hasnain]

The Ahlul Bayt are an integral part of Islam. We must adhere to their teachings and their rulings on Islamic laws.

Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Ahlul Bayt, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. Holy Qur'an 33:33.

The messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to BOTH of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

Prophet (PBUH&HF) stated:Behold! My Ahlul-Bayt are like the Ark of Noah. Whoever embarked in it was SAVED, and whoever turned away from it was PERISHED.

Please refer to this thread for a more detailed analysis of the subject.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110671

[neelu]

Your post does not come across as ignorant at all. Ignorant are those people who pretend that calling themselves 'sayyid' makes them any different in status from any other Muslim. Arabs generally believe that the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) are among the Hashemites, because he (saw) belonged to their tribe, but that's a whole other debate in itself.

The only thing that makes one Muslim greater than another is taqwa, regardless of his or her ancestry. If ancestry were given so much importance, then look at the son of Nuh (as), who refused to get on board the Ark and be among the believers who were saved due to his arrogance. Unlike these so called Sayyids, he wasn't a distant descendant, he was the SON of a noble Prophet (as), but even his lineage was not enough for him to be saved.

A Sayyid is still a Muslim and still a brother/sister in Islam, so we should help a Sayyid in need as we would help any other Muslim in need of help, but they do not carry any higher status than anyone. In fact, during the life of the Prophet (saw), there are references in the Sunnah where he (saw) would give away his own food to make sure others were fed before himself and he taught Fatima (ra) this aspect of humility as well- they were the true examples to follow, but I've found no reference of Fatima (ra) or Hasan or Hussain (ra) name dropping their ancestry as a means to get favours from people- I wonder why?:rolleyes:

The hadith of the Prophet (saw) in his final sermon was that he left two things with which if the Ummah upheld them they would not be led astray; one was the Quran and the other was the Sunnah (example of the life the Prophet [saw] led).

[Fahad Hasnain]

The Ahlul Bayt(as) go through the lineage of Hazrat Ali(as) and Bibi Fatima(as).

As for the final sermon of the Prophet(saws), the chain of narration that says "I leave behind Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt" is far stronger than the one that states "Qura'n & Sunnah".

Unfortunately, many Muslims ignore the Ahlul bayt(as) completely.

[neelu]

The over emphasis regarding the Ahlul Bayt is something specific to Shiaism. Sunnis stick to Quran and Sunnah and only really involved references from the Ahlul Bayt in the context of other forms of evidence such as them forming a part of ijma Sahaba (ra).

[Fahad Hasnain]

The over emphasis regarding the Ahlul Bayt is something specific to Shiaism. Sunnis stick to Quran and Sunnah and only really involved references from the Ahlul Bayt in the context of other forms of evidence such as them forming a part of ijma Sahaba (ra).
There in lies the issue. You keep saying Qur'an & Sunnah, when the hadith that says Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt is much more authentic than the former.

Please do refer to the thread i linked in my first post in this thread. I cite only Sunni references to show the significance of the Ahlul Bayt(as).

[Peacenik]

shia sources are invalid.

The majority shia have too much hatred against Hadrat Umar (ra) and Hadrat Aisha(ra), the beloved of the Prophet (saw).

May ALLAH (SWT) Guide them or Punish them.

Ameen.

[Fahad Hasnain]

shia sources are invalid.
Brother Peacenik, please refer to the thread i linked. Not one of the sources provided are Shia. All of them are Sunni references.

It would make no sense for me to prove to a Sunni the status of Ahlul Bayt(as) by using Shia sources.

[Peacenik]

Brother Peacenik, please refer to the thread i linked. Not one of the sources provided are Shia. All of them are Sunni references.

It would make no sense for me to prove to a Sunni the status of Ahlul Bayt(as) by using Shia sources.

Fahad, may I ask if you regard yourself as a shia ?

And if you are, do you have enmity towards the closest Companions (ra) of the Prophet (saw) ?

And Hadrat Aisha (ra) ?

[Fahad Hasnain]

Fahad, may I ask if you regard yourself as a shia ?
Yes i do.

And if you are, do you have enmity towards the closest Companions (ra) of the Prophet (saw) ?
I have no enmity toward the closest companions of the Prophet(saw). The companions which you are refering to did some morally reprehensible things in their lives that were counterproductive to the Islamic cause, but i do not hold malice in my heart toward them, but i do not praise them as my Sunni Brothers & Sisters do.

And Hadrat Aisha (ra) ?
She's the wife of the Prophet(Saw). Simialr situation with her. Did some bad things, but thats for Allah(Swt) to judge, i do not have any hatred toward her.

I will say this though, oppression of the Ahlul Bayt(as) is quite a significant issue, and all of the parties you question me on have been guilty of that crime. Some more than others.

[Peacenik]

The companions which you are refering to did some morally reprehensible things in their lives that were counterproductive to the Islamic cause

Could you give examples ?


She's the wife of the Prophet(Saw). Simialr situation with her. Did some bad things, but thats for Allah(Swt) to judge, i do not have any hatred toward her.

You know, just the way you've responded about Hadrat Aisha (ra), gives your game ayway, Fahad (read last word in quote above).

[Fahad Hasnain]

I would need some time for the following requests, k? I just don't want to think i've abandoned the discussion.

[Peacenik]

Fahad, there's no need for you to respond.

I think you've said enough.

[Fahad Hasnain]

lol, what?

[MWarrior]

fahad hasnain - the same lad who first denied he was a shia and denied any links with shiaism.
now he admits his a shia.

there was another lad called truth786 aka bugatti who did the same thing.

i understand why shias are embarassed to admit that theyre shias , but why lie in the first place ?
just say you are a deviant and khalas. no need to lie.

[Peacenik]

@ Fahad :

*sigh*

So brainwashed.....

[Fahad Hasnain]

fahad hasnain - the same lad who first denied he was a shia and denied any links with shiaism.
now he admits his a shia.
Please Provide proof, Detective Hammer. I was at one point at a crossroads, but i've never denied or hid my beliefs.

[Fahad Hasnain]

Peacenik, here's an instance of oppression of Ahlul Bayt(as). Fatima(as) being deprived of her right to Fadak by Abu Bakr.

Narrated Ayesha(mother of the believers),'After the death of Allah's Apostle Fatima,the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her the share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting)which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "the holy prophet(saww) had said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqah (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of the Holy prophet(saww).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

Hadhrat Fatima Zahra became angry at Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died, because she claimed her share in the Prophet's Estate of Fadak, and Abu Bakr rejected her claim"
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal Volume 1 page 167, Musnad Abi Bakr

"Hadhrat Umar said to Abu Bakr we have angered Fatima let us go to her and seek her forgiveness. They both went to the house and asked permission to enter. Sayyida Fatima did not grant them this permission. They then went to 'Ali and spoke to him, he allowed them to enter the house. When they sat before Fatima she turned her face away from them, they said Salaams to her but she did not deem them worthy enough to merit a reply".
Ibn Qutaybah in al Imamah wa al Siyasa page 13

"Fatima said 'When I meet my father the Prophet (s), then I shall' complain about the both of you (Abu Bakr and Umar), and said to Abu Bakr 'By Allah I shall curse you after every Salat".
Ibn Qutaybah in al Imamah wa al Siyasa page 14 (http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/clipperz32/al_imama_wal_siyasa_v1_p14.jpg)

"Hadhrat Fatima's anger was such that she left a will stipulating that Abu Bakr not attend her funeral prayers"
Sharh Ibn al Hadeed Volume 4 page 136

[neelu]

Can we move the Ahlul Bayt issue to another thread and stick to the lineage issue here?

[Ibn Khattab]

Your post does not come across as ignorant at all. Ignorant are those people who pretend that calling themselves 'sayyid' makes them any different in status from any other Muslim. Arabs generally believe that the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) are among the Hashemites, because he (saw) belonged to their tribe, but that's a whole other debate in itself.

The only thing that makes one Muslim greater than another is taqwa, regardless of his or her ancestry. If ancestry were given so much importance, then look at the son of Nuh (as), who refused to get on board the Ark and be among the believers who were saved due to his arrogance. Unlike these so called Sayyids, he wasn't a distant descendant, he was the SON of a noble Prophet (as), but even his lineage was not enough for him to be saved.

A Sayyid is still a Muslim and still a brother/sister in Islam, so we should help a Sayyid in need as we would help any other Muslim in need of help, but they do not carry any higher status than anyone. In fact, during the life of the Prophet (saw), there are references in the Sunnah where he (saw) would give away his own food to make sure others were fed before himself and he taught Fatima (ra) this aspect of humility as well- they were the true examples to follow, but I've found no reference of Fatima (ra) or Hasan or Hussain (ra) name dropping their ancestry as a means to get favours from people- I wonder why?:rolleyes:

The hadith of the Prophet (saw) in his final sermon was that he left two things with which if the Ummah upheld them they would not be led astray; one was the Quran and the other was the Sunnah (example of the life the Prophet [saw] led).

Top post mashallah took it out of my mouth :up:

The Ahlul Bayt(as) go through the lineage of Hazrat Ali(as) and Bibi Fatima(as).

As for the final sermon of the Prophet(saws), the chain of narration that says "I leave behind Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt" is far stronger than the one that states "Qura'n & Sunnah".

Unfortunately, many Muslims ignore the Ahlul bayt(as) completely.

bruv i dnt knw whose final sermon your referring to but in the one of the Prophet S, he did mention leaving behind 2 things, Quran and Sunnah.
i have never in my life seen the supposed one calling to the Quran and Ahlul Bayt.

There in lies the issue. You keep saying Qur'an & Sunnah, when the hadith that says Qur'an & Ahlul Bayt is much more authentic than the former.

Please do refer to the thread i linked in my first post in this thread. I cite only Sunni references to show the significance of the Ahlul Bayt(as).

dont get me wrong, ahlul bayt mashallah we respect them everything without a doubt.

but as humans they were prone to mistakes whereas we follow quran and sunnah which contains no mistakes.

back to lineage :up:

[Al-Irhaab]

hes shiah hes the bro of no one ... well prob some kerb crawler someone but thats abt it :rolleyes:

[Ibn Khattab]

Irhab i beg you just rinse this man please

[Al-Irhaab]

Irhab i beg you just rinse this man please

hes been dealt with he first claimed he wasnt shiah... then we went to shiah chat and copied what he said on there and then he said oh yeah im shiah... he looks up to this black rapper who sings with pros and hos ... and ontop of that he just copies and pastes the usual shiah rubbish .... they quote from brelvis and then they quote from sunnis but when we quote from them same sunnis they start saying no that guy was a liar.... hes a waste of time... needs to go get himself checked out for hiv after all the kerb crawling his lot get up to :rolleyes:

[umar7]

thank you for your post neelu. it is greatly appreciated. :up: if anyone knows anymore i'm still reading.

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

Please do refer to the thread i linked in my first post in this thread. I cite only Sunni references to show the significance of the Ahlul Bayt(as).


The ahlul bayt are Sunnis and the murderers of Ahlul Bayt are shias, ex: karbala and the betrayal of shias, army which Martyred Imam Hussain radhiallahu taa'la anhu was from the shias, the soldiers who paraded Sayyidah Zainab radhiallahu taa'la anha and Imam Zaynul Aabideen radhiallahu taa'la anhu were shias.

[Peacenik]

Slander Against Prophet’s (saw) Wives (ra) by shia scholars

Warning : the following statements by the shias are extremely offensive.


The shia scholars slander the Prophet’s wives, Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) and Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها). They do not have a good opinion of Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) because she was the daughter of the first Caliph (Abu Bakr [رضّى الله عنه]), and they do not speak well of Hafsa (رضّى الله عنها) because she was the daughter of the second Caliph (Umar bin Khattab [رضّى الله عنه]).

The shia believe that Aisha (رضّى الله عنها) was a Munafiqh (hypocrite) and Kaffir (disbeliever), and we see this allegation in the well-known books of the Shia: “Aisha was an infidel woman (Kaffir).” (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 726)

It is further stated: “Aisha was a hypocrite (Munafiqh).” (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Page No. 867) And again: “Aisha and Hafsa were hypocrite and infidel women.” (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 900) The famous Ayatollah, Mullah Baqir Majlisi, states: “She [Aisha] was a traitor.” (Mullah Baqir Majlisi, Tadhkiratul Aimmah, p. 66)



May ALLAH (SWT) Guide or Punish those who hold the above beliefs.

Ameen.

[mgk81]

umar7 theres actually nothing more to what neelu has posted which was put across quite nicely. every muslim is the same no matter the lineage, the only thing that puts one muslim on a higher level then another is his piety his knowledge in other words in what he knows or learns and that he actions his knowledge without thinking his superior then others.

and unfortunately there are some who claim that they are the lineage of prophet saw and they have the concept that they gaurinteed jannah, whereas Allah did not say if u rooted from a specific persons that jannah will be for you, each and everyone has to work to attain that, not just by some lineage.

therefore u dont need to "bow" down or show a more respect to a person just cause his the lineage of the prophet.
if that is the case then what about those whose gone astray?? would one give him more respect then a muslim whose striving!!

[nopah]

salam alaykum

I'm very confused aout the issue of people descended from the prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam and being called sayyids.

What is their status in islam and what should be etiquette towards anyone descended from Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam. I always thought people in the ummah should be treated equitably and that there was no such thing as royalty or nobility.... What is the point of mentioning someones descent from the noble prophet Muhammad sallalahu alayhi wasalam except to hear someone say "ooh"

What brought my attention to this even though tehre are other things i'd like to focus on in Islam right now was the thread on lineage here and this story that was linked a little while ago.

http://www.islamcan.com/cgi-bin/increaseiman/htmlfiles/static/110338510143079.shtml

are we obligated to them anymore than other muslims? that story was sticking to my head for so long because i didnt' understand the morale of it assuming i didn't take into account the status of a sayyid. the wreslter helped a fellow muslim but couldnt he have won the tournament and just given him the money instead of committing blatant fraud?

and please excuse my ignorance.

There is no Ahlul bayt anymore. those who claim ahlul bayt or decendants are fake. When Hasan-Husayn dies, thats it. the end of prophet Muhammad SAW lineage.

[nopah]

Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Ahlul Bayt, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing. Holy Qur'an 33:33.
but there is no telling in the Quran on following his decendants. his decendants are gone with the death of Hasan & Husayn.

The messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) said: "I am leaving for you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to BOTH of them you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that These two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."
Is this supposed to be shahih with unbroken chain of transmission and credible sources? I dont think Shiah has that method to verify Hadith sahih or mawdoo (fabricated)
while the Quran slam dunk this idea to follow the Quran & Prophet Muhammad (his sunnah)

Quran 64:12 So obey Allah, and obey His Messenger. but if ye turn back, the duty of Our Messenger is but to proclaim (the Message) clearly and openly.

[al faqeer]

People nowadays like to speak without Knoweldge , off course if you from Ahlul Bayt ra. you are different from others , for one you are from Ahlul Bayt :) , and for another you dont recieve Zakaat , cause its the dirt of the people as the prophet PBUH said .

His descendants PBUH are everlasting any one who says they ceased to exist is a total ignorant person who actually rejects the Sunnah and Jaamaa'a aqeedah of the second coming Of IMam MAhdi .

YOU see imam mahdi will be from Ahlul BAyt ra. So that means the Lineage is intact .

:) think b4 you speak Anti Ahlul bayt idiots .

As for HAdeeth Athaqalyn It is Sa7ee7 But the khalafis reject it .

[umar7]

wait wait, i don't get it. if they can't receive zakat then what was the point fo the story i just read and linked in my post? and why can't they receive zakat? and what should be my etiquette towards them if they are different from other people. different in the same sense as the sahaba when we say radhiallaho anho when their name is mentioned?

second coming? thought al-mahdi came once? dirt of the people?

[FollowerOfMuhammad]

There is no Ahlul bayt anymore. those who claim ahlul bayt or decendants are fake. When Hasan-Husayn dies, thats it. the end of prophet Muhammad SAW lineage.


Come on, dnt spread lies.

U forget Imam Zaynul abideen radhiallahu taa'la anhu was alive after the incident of Karbala.
:D

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

wait wait, i don't get it. if they can't receive zakat then what was the point fo the story i just read and linked in my post? and why can't they receive zakat? and what should be my etiquette towards them if they are different from other people. different in the same sense as the sahaba when we say radhiallaho anho when their name is mentioned?

second coming? thought al-mahdi came once


The Descendant's of the Beloved Prophet :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him do not receive Zakat- it is forbidden to them but rather they receive Khums which is Khums (derived from the Arabic خمس or five) is one-fifth tax for those Muslims who are finacially able to give it- it purifies the Muslim's money just like Zakat, but Zakat cannot be given to Sayyids.

It's sad to see people who aren't knowledgable in a topic spouting off from the top of their heads- yes everyone is based on their piety but Wlalahi being a sayyid is an amazing gift because you are linked with the Prophet :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him through blood. Just imagine if you were a Sayyid - would it not please you and give you that extra push to strive harder in this world?


I swear by Allah i know a Sayyid and she had doubts whether she was a Sayyid and in her dream one of the ladies from the noble family of the Ahlul Bait came to her and told her she was. Sayyids are still going strong hundreds of years on and will continue to do so :insha: Imam Mahdi will be a Sayyid too - and there will always be Sayyids who will marry Sayyids and continue this Blessed line.

Please don't speak ill of this rarity within this Ummah- we should respect Sayyids based on their Deen but also respect them because of their lineage- Allah will judge them but to speak ill of them as a whole is not fitting. We send blessings on them in our Salaah when we recite Durood-E-Ibrahim as they are the children of Muhammad :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and his family - even this shows that they are worthy of some of our respect.

:jkk:

:wswrwb:

[al faqeer]

:start:

:salams




The Descendant's of the Beloved Prophet :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him do not receive Zakat- it is forbidden to them but rather they receive Khums which is Khums (derived from the Arabic خمس or five) is one-fifth tax for those Muslims who are finacially able to give it- it purifies the Muslim's money just like Zakat, but Zakat cannot be given to Sayyids.

It's sad to see people who aren't knowledgable in a topic spouting off from the top of their heads- yes everyone is based on their piety but Wlalahi being a sayyid is an amazing gift because you are linked with the Prophet :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him through blood. Just imagine if you were a Sayyid - would it not please you and give you that extra push to strive harder in this world?


I swear by Allah i know a Sayyid and she had doubts whether she was a Sayyid and in her dream one of the ladies from the noble family of the Ahlul Bait came to her and told her she was. Sayyids are still going strong hundreds of years on and will continue to do so :insha: Imam Mahdi will be a Sayyid too - and there will always be Sayyids who will marry Sayyids and continue this Blessed line.

Please don't speak ill of this rarity within this Ummah- we should respect Sayyids based on their Deen but also respect them because of their lineage- Allah will judge them but to speak ill of them as a whole is not fitting. We send blessings on them in our Salaah when we recite Durood-E-Ibrahim as they are the children of Muhammad :saw: Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him and his family - even this shows that they are worthy of some of our respect.

:jkk:

:wswrwb:

shukran for posting , these sort of Ignorant muslims actually Love the Bani Umayah more than the ahlul Bayt ra. astaghfiruallah .

[Lou.]

:asalam:

[al faqeer]

:asalam:

Alaihimus salam is a term the shia Muslims use , Ahlus sunnaah use radiyallahu 3anhu .

We do however say Allahum saliy wa salim Al sayidina mu7ammad wa 3ala aalihi wa sa7bihi wa salim .

that has the same meaning as alaihis salam .

[Abdul-Curim]

Narrated Ayesha(mother of the believers),'After the death of Allah's Apostle Fatima,the daughter of Allah's Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her the share of inheritance from what Allah's Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting)which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "the holy prophet(saww) had said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqah (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of the Holy prophet(saww).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

would have been better if you had completed the remaining part .....

She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Apostle which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Apostle used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to 'Ali and 'Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhrl said, "They have been managed in this way till today.")


Hadhrat Fatima Zahra became angry at Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died, because she claimed her share in the Prophet's Estate of Fadak, and Abu Bakr rejected her claim"
Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal Volume 1 page 167, Musnad Abi Bakr


one was the 1st caliph of the ummah and the other beloved daughter of the messenger(pbuh) of Allah(swt) .

Allah is the judge of all things we aint competent to pass comment on the companions and family of the messenger (pbuh) of Allah (swt)




"Hadhrat Umar said to Abu Bakr we have angered Fatima let us go to her and seek her forgiveness. They both went to the house and asked permission to enter. Sayyida Fatima did not grant them this permission. They then went to 'Ali and spoke to him, he allowed them to enter the house. When they sat before Fatima she turned her face away from them, they said Salaams to her but she did not deem them worthy enough to merit a reply".
Ibn Qutaybah in al Imamah wa al Siyasa page 13

"Fatima said 'When I meet my father the Prophet (s), then I shall' complain about the both of you (Abu Bakr and Umar), and said to Abu Bakr 'By Allah I shall curse you after every Salat".
Ibn Qutaybah in al Imamah wa al Siyasa page 14 (http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/clipperz32/al_imama_wal_siyasa_v1_p14.jpg)

"Hadhrat Fatima's anger was such that she left a will stipulating that Abu Bakr not attend her funeral prayers"
Sharh Ibn al Hadeed Volume 4 page 136


these are most probably picked from the shia site http://answering-ansar.org

so their credibility is questionable .

[Abdul-Curim]

to the shias , do you know that the prophet muhammad (saws) chose to spend his last days in the company of aysha (ra) .

do you also know that when the messenger of Allah (saws) was not feeling well he called for Abubakr (ra) to lead the fardh salat in the masjid ?

do you also know that rasulallah (saws) has said that he has repaid everyones' dues except the that of Abubakr (ra) which he said he shall pay it on the day of judgement .

you shias are real messed up .

[Peacenik]

to the shias , do you know that the prophet muhammad (saws) chose to spend his last days in the company of aysha (ra) .

do you also know that when the messenger of Allah (saws) was not feeling well he called for Abubakr (ra) to lead the fardh salat in the masjid ?

do you also know that rasulallah (saws) has said that he has repaid everyones' dues except the that of Abubakr (ra) which he said he shall pay it on the day of judgement.

Subhaan-Allah !


you shias are real messed up .

You got that right.

[luqman-haqq]

Thank the Shias. Because of their corrupted & twisted beliefs, we strengthen ours & increase our knowledge and understanding of the lives of the companion of the Prophet(s.a.w). Alhamdullilah.

Our Sunni scholars have debated and send their Shia scholars back to the drawing board time and again. Thats why they make up only the 10% of the world islamic population as our brother Ghazali has stated earlier.

To the Shia bro, i recommend you listening to Sunni Shia debates on the internet if they have. It zips the Shia's mouths. Try to flexible & change your mindset and enter the ahlus sunnah. don't be arrogant. Before you sleep, think of why you lot make up only 10% of the muslim. Insha-allah you will change.

[Debater]

The Ahlul Bayt(as) go through the lineage of Hazrat Ali(as) and Bibi Fatima(as).
I have a question to you; if 'Ali, Fatimah and their children are Ahl-al-Bayt of Prophet Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam then who are the Ahl-al-Bayt of 'Ali?

Or 'Ali is not an important person that being his Ahl-al-Bayt is a pride?

[Le Croyant]

So is sayyid a better than who is not?

Is a sinful Sayyid better than a pious non-Sayyid?

confused here....

[Debater]

So is sayyid a better than who is not?
Is a sinful Sayyid better than a pious non-Sayyid?
confused here....
Well Islam is not like Hinduism to have Brahmans of higher or noble blood. There are no Saiyids in Islam (Brahmans of Islam), all men are equal, children of Aadam 'alayhis salam, otherwise there are so many Rafidhis, Kuffar and Munafiqeen from the children of Hasan and Husain radhiyAllahu 'anhu, who curse the Sahabah, believe in the tampering of Quran and worship 12 gods.

[Lou.]

:asalam:

The other day when I want to write something my Internet got crazy, so I'm very sorry that this came up... It was not my intention.

By the way, I'm sunni!