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Al-Fateh
10-04-07, 03:14 PM
name='Al-fateh' date='Apr 10 2007, 03:11 PM' post='32309'
English Yusuf Ali: [3:28]
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

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Tafsir

(3:28) The believers may not take the unbelievers for their allies in preference to those who believe. Whoever does this has nothing to do with Allah unless he does so in order to protect himself from their wrong-doing. *25 Allah warns you to beware of Him for it is to Allah that you will return. *26

*25. This means that it is lawful for a believer, helpless in the grip of the enemies of Islam and in imminent danger of severe wrong and persecution, to keep his faith concealed and to behave in such a manner as to create the impression that he is on the same side as his enemies. A person whose Muslim identity is discovered is permitted to adopt a friendly attitude owards the unbelievers in order to save his life. If he considers himself incapable of enduring the excesses to which he may be subjected, he may even state that he is not a believer.

*26. One should not be overwhelmed by the fear of other human beings to the extent of losing the fear of God. Human beings can harm a man but the most they can do is to ruin his transient, earthly life. God, on the other hand, can subject him to everlasting torment. If one is constrained in extraordinary circumstances to resort to a prudent concealment of faith (taqiyah) in order to save one's life, this concealment should remain within reasonable limits. The most one is permitted to do is to protect one's life and property without jeopardizing either the interests of Islam or of the Muslim community as a whole, and without causing loss of life and property to other Muslims. One must never allow saving one's own life to lead to the propagation of unbelief at the expense of Islam and to the dominance of unbelievers over Muslims. Here the believers are warned that, no matter how dangerous the circumstances surrounding them, they cannot escape God's reproach if they give substantial aid to those rebelling against Him, and cause any harm to God's chosen religion, to the community of believers or to any individual believer. For, it is to God that one will ultimately return for reckoning.

moreover....

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as patrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers - for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, the religion of, God in anyway - unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, 'as a safeguard', is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey's end, the return, and He will requite you.

لا يتخذ المؤمنون الكافرين أولياء يوالونهم من دون اي غير المؤمنين ومن يفعل ذلك اي يواليهم فليس من دين الله في شيء إلا أن تتقوا منهم تقاة مصدر تقيته اي تخافوا مخافة فلكم موالاتهم باللسان دون القلب وهذا قبل عزة الإسلام ويجري فيمن هو في بلد ليس قويا فيها ويحذركم يخوفكم الله نفسه أن يغضب عليكم إن واليتموهم وإلى الله المصير المرجع فيجازيكم.

فيه مسألتان :
الأولى : قال ابن عباس : نهى الله المؤمنين أن يلاطفوا الكفار فيتخذوهم أولياء ، ومثله لا تتخذوا بطانة من دونكم . وهناك يأتي بيان هذا المعنى . ومعنى فليس من الله في شيء اي فليس من حزب الله ولا من أوليائه في شيء ، مثل وسئل القرية . وحكى سيبويه هو مني فرسخين أي من أصحابي ومعي . ثم استثنى وهي :
الثانية : فقال : إلا أن تتقوا منهم تقاة . قال معاذ بن جبل ومجاهد : كانت التقية في جدة الإسلام قبل قوة المسلمين ، فأما اليوم فقد اعز الله الإسلام أن يتقوا من عدوهم . قال ابن عباس : هو أن يتكلم بلسانه وقلبه مطمئن بالإيمان ، ولا يقتل ولا يأتي ماثما . وقال الحسن : التقية جائزة للإنسان إلى يوم القيامة ، ولا تقية في القتل . وقرأ جابر بن زيد ومجاهد والضحاك : إلا أن تتقوا منهم تقاة . وقيل : إن المؤمن إذا كان قائما بين الكفار فله أن يداريهم باللسان إذا كان خائفا على نفسه وقلبه مطمئن بالإيمان . والتقية لا تحل إلا مع خوف القتل أو القطع أو الإيذاء العظيم . ومن أكره على الكفر فالصحيح أن له أن يتصلب ولا يجيب إلى التلفظ بكلمة الكفر ، بل يجوز له ذلك على ما يأتي بيانه في النحل إن شاء الله تعالى . وأمال حمزة والكسائي تقاة ، وفخم الباقون ، وأصل تقاة وقية على وزن فعلة ، مثل تؤده وتهمة ، قلبت الواو تاء والياء ألفا . وروى الضحاك عن ابن عباس أن هذه الآية نزلت في عبادة بن الصامت الأنصاري وكان بدريا تقيا وكان له حلف من اليهود ، فلما خرج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم الأحزاب قال عبادة : يا نبي الله ، إن معي خمسمائة رجل من اليهود ، وقد رأيت أن يخرجوا معي فأستظهر بهم على العدو . فأنزل الله تعالى : لا يتخذ المؤمنون الكافرين أولياء من دون المؤمنين . الآية .
وقيل : إنها نزلت في عمار بن ياسر حين تكلم ببعض ما اراد منه المشركون ، على ما يأتي بيانه في النحل .
قوله تعالى : ويحذركم الله نفسه . قال الزجاج : أي ويحذركم الله إياه . ثم استغنوا عن ذلك بذا وصار المستعمل ، قال تعالى : تعلم ما في نفسي ولا أعلم ما في نفسك . فمعناه تعلم ما عندي وما في حقيقتي ولا أعلم ما عندك ولا ما في حقيقتك . وقال غيره : المعنى ويحذركم الله عقابه ، مثل وسئل القرية . وقال : تعلم ما في نفسي أي مغيبي ، فجعلت النفس في موضع الإضمار لأنه فيها يكون . وإلى الله المصير . أي وإلى جزاء الله المصير . وفيه إقرار بالبعث .
it is very clear that the tafsir of this verse DOES NOT mean do not befriend the unbelievers as in terms, i cannot be ur friend cz u are a kaffir.....

it is very important for us muslims to learn and make sure of what we learn , and to prevent ignorance from spreading, on whihc non muslims feed on.

I hope this tafsir explains a lot of this misconception of this verse and clear things up

stop making Islam a religion of hate....

:assalam:
:lailah:

AbuMubarak
10-04-07, 03:32 PM
islam is not a religion of hate

but we are told NOT to take not only kafirs as friends, but not even fasiq muslims, tyrants, and a whole host of other wrong doing people and oppressors as friends, or else we will be raised with them on the day of judgement

so how can you take a kafir, who is the most hated in the sight of Allah, as a friend?

Al-Fateh
10-04-07, 03:40 PM
not over the Muslim, no doubt

but i think u see what the verse is pointing to akhi abu Mubarak

there is a difference between a Zalim, tyrant, and a normal human...

im not telling the muslims to go and do so, all iam pointing to is people have been using this verse in specific to fit a claim, rather than really not knowing what the verse is really about

AbuMubarak
10-04-07, 04:29 PM
i dont know of any precedent of the Prophet or the Companions or even those who we hold in high esteem to have kafirs as friends

business relationships is one thing, and that business can be any kind of business, but to say, so and so is my friend, i dont see that

if anything, i see the complete opposite

maybe i think our whole concept of friends may be skewed. for example, we do not treat each other as brothers, we do not visit each other purely for the sake of Allah, we do not engage in conversation about deen, death and the akhira

so we tend to have even muslims friends that we should not have, because we have friends not based upon deen, but based upon our wants and desires, so we dont feel there is a problem of having a kafir as a friend, because we tend to have simlilar wants and desires as the kuffar

maybe we need to rethink our whole approach to what is a friend, and who are our friends, and why we have friends

then the ayat will be come clearer for us

Al-Fateh
10-04-07, 04:33 PM
maybe we need to rethink our whole approach to what is a friend, and who are our friends, and why we have friends


im glad u said that....and that is basically the main point here.

moreover, the misinterpretation of this verse specifically give the whole open heart to say things as, " no i cant be ur friend, because Allah ordered me to do so"

the prophet and the companions didnt preffer unbeliver friends over the believers, ofcourse not, however they didnt consider those who dont trangress on them as enemies, rather they opened the opened their arms to them and offered them protection under the islamic state

if they transgress, than this is a different story....Allah doesnt not like those who transgress

two diff concepts we talk about here.

and i think it should be cleared up

Cashew
11-04-07, 08:46 AM
i dont know of any precedent of the Prophet or the Companions or even those who we hold in high esteem to have kafirs as friends...

I know. Weird, isn't it?

Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful, the most wise, gave the Prophet (pbuh) not simply a friend who was kafir, but a blood-relative, an uncle, if I'm not mistaken.

More mysteriously, Sunnah teaches, does it not, that the Prophet (pbuh) loved this uncle very much.

I'm not Muslim, obviously. So I'm a little sketchy on the details. Interesting food for thought nonetheless!

AbuMubarak
11-04-07, 11:16 AM
cashew, give it up

Cashew
12-04-07, 04:37 AM
cashew, give it up

Was what I said incorrect? Did I misrepresent anything as taught or advocated by Qu'ran or Sunnah?

If so, please, be so patient and generous as to point out my errors and correct them.

Again and again in this forum self-identified Muslims bring up this verse for discussion, and they do so without any consideration for non-Muslims who convert to Islam and who have non-Muslim relatives -- wives, husbands, children, parents, etc.

Did the Prophet (pbuh) not love His uncle?

How should reverts who have non-Muslim spouses, children, parents, etc., incorporate that verse into their faith, into their lives?

kamalysalma
12-04-07, 05:14 AM
Was what I said incorrect? Did I misrepresent anything as taught or advocated by Qu'ran or Sunnah?

If so, please, be so patient and generous as to point out my errors and correct them.

Again and again in this forum self-identified Muslims bring up this verse for discussion, and they do so without any consideration for non-Muslims who convert to Islam and who have non-Muslim relatives -- wives, husbands, children, parents, etc.

Did the Prophet (pbuh) not love His uncle?

How should reverts who have non-Muslim spouses, children, parents, etc., incorporate that verse into their faith, into their lives?

the verses posted by brother al fateh, if taken out of context will bring ignorance in our minds, as muslims, of course we're allowed to have non-muslim friends as long as you're not contradicting or letting it effect how you practice the deen. We should of course, never take as friends the unbelievers over the believers. However we should keep good relations with those who cause us no harm

Leena_Cnd
12-04-07, 06:03 AM
Did the Prophet (pbuh) not love His uncle?:rubeyes:
All this time, on the forum . . . .
yet you still don't know ? ? ?

Your semantics are becoming quite childish.
Seems that, you are here only to play games.


101 - Eng.

friendly ≠ Friend

courtesy ≠ Mates/confederates
that you can relate with


~


http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/index.html

Cashew
12-04-07, 06:53 AM
:rubeyes:
All this time, on the forum . . . .
yet you still don't know ? ? ?

Your semantics are becoming quite childish.
Seems that, you are here only to play games.


101 - Eng.

friendly ≠ Friend

courtesy ≠ Mates/confederates
that you can relate with


~


http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/index.html

I'm not on here to play games.

You did not address my point. The Prophet (pbuh) loved his uncle. There are reverts who have non-Muslim children, spouses, parents, etc.

To make my point absoutely explicit:

Let's say a revert has a non-Muslim spouse.

Now, please explain to me how this Muslim can share a bed with his or her spouse, have intimate relations with his or her spouse, run a family with his or her spouse, without being friends, or without being friendly, with his or her spouse?

How exactly does that work?

Songbird
12-04-07, 06:57 AM
It works because we go by the example of our Prophet peace be upon him.

He sAw continued to love his uncle Abu Talib even though he never embraced Islam.

In other words he sAw never gave up on him.

Cashew
12-04-07, 07:31 AM
It works because we go by the example of our Prophet peace be upon him.

He sAw continued to love his uncle Abu Talib even though he never embraced Islam.

In other words he sAw never gave up on him.

Because I'm a fat old kufr ***hole who suspects there are some Muslims who would make Islam burdensome, I would please direct you to the first post in this thread and also please ask you to read it carefully.

Because I'm a fat old kufr ***hole who suspects Islam isn't as cut-and-dried, black-and-white, us-versus-them as some Muslims would portray Islam to be, I would ask that you please contrast and compare the love of the Prophet (pbuh) for his Uncle Talib and the scenario(s) of Muslim/non-Muslim relations as described in the first post.

Um Abdullah
12-04-07, 08:04 AM
calm down Cashew :)

take it easy
we are all here learning.
and if anyone calls you names or is mean to you, just ignore them, Muslims (including me) do actions that are not necessarly part of Islam, or sometimes actually go against teachings of Islam especially in issues of manners and dealing with others.

now back to the topic

as for the issue of friends, we can't have kafirs as friends meaning "close friends" and for no purpose but to be friends, and make them close to you.
that is forbidden
but if you make friends with them (not close ones), meaning keeping in contact with them, be nice to them, invited them to ur house as guests ..etc. (being nice and friendly), and ur purpose is to show them Islam and to do dawah to them, then that is allowed.

you are not allowed to be bad or mean to a person just because he is a "kafir", and for no other reason but that.

Allah subhanahu wa ta'la said:
{لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ
}
{إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَى إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَن تَوَلَّوْهُمْ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ}
(8-9) سورة الممتحنة

(surah-chapter 60)
8. Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.

9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allâh forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allâh).


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as for the issue of loving.

there are different types of love
1_ loving Allah and His messenger (highest of love, above the love of anything else)
2_ love for the sake of Allah (this is only for Muslims, because you love them for their faith and belief in Allah)
3_ natural love, which would be for family, relatives, spouse and children, regardless of them being Muslim or kafir.
but you try to do dawah to them and call them to Islam, and ask Allah to guide them.
4_ love with Allah, meaning to love someone or something as you would love Allah, or as much as one would love Allah, or more than one loves Allah, this is love that is shirk.


Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam loved his uncle natural love, he was his uncle + he supported him and protected him, but he also made dawah to him until the last breath, when his uncle was dying, he told him to say shahadah, until his soul left his body, he didn't give up.

so what you were speaking about Cashew is natural love, for family.

AbuMubarak
12-04-07, 11:20 AM
Was what I said incorrect? Did I misrepresent anything as taught or advocated by Qu'ran or Sunnah?

If so, please, be so patient and generous as to point out my errors and correct them.

Again and again in this forum self-identified Muslims bring up this verse for discussion, and they do so without any consideration for non-Muslims who convert to Islam and who have non-Muslim relatives -- wives, husbands, children, parents, etc.

Did the Prophet (pbuh) not love His uncle?

How should reverts who have non-Muslim spouses, children, parents, etc., incorporate that verse into their faith, into their lives?
Our prophet would never disobey Allah, as did Noah, when it was clear his son loved disbelief over belief, as was Abraham, when it was clear that his father loved disbelief over belief, once it was clear to the prophet that his uncle chose disbelief over belief,

Allah says in quran that we are not to show love to our fathers, sons or nearest of kin if they choose disbelief over belief

so like i said cashew, give it up

come here to listen, even discuss, but stop trying to teach us our islam

Um Abdullah
12-04-07, 12:06 PM
Allah says in quran that we are not to show love to our fathers, sons or nearest of kin if they choose disbelief over belief

so like i said cashew, give it up

come here to listen, even discuss, but stop trying to teach us our islam

brother, the ayah

لقول في تأويل قوله : { يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا تَتَّخِذُوا آبَاءَكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ إِنِ اسْتَحَبُّوا الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإيمَانِ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ مِنْكُمْ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ (23) }


is talking about muwalat (awliya'), meaning not to make them close friends, revealing to them your secrets, and showing them secrets and plans of the Muslims, and prefering to stay with them in country of disbelief instead of doing hijrah to land of Islam.
It is not speaking about natural love that a person has for their family.

Muslims are ordered to be kind to their parents who are non Muslims even if they dont' become Muslim.

anyways, here is tafsir of the ayah, from tafsir at Tabari

قال أبو جعفر: يقول تعالى ذكره للمؤمنين به وبرسوله: لا تتخذوا آباءكم وإخوانكم بطانة وأصدقاء تفشون إليهم أسرارَكم، وتطلعونهم على عورة الإسلام وأهله، وتؤثرون المُكْثَ بين أظهرهم على الهجرة إلى دار الإسلام (5) =(إن استحبُّوا الكفر على الإيمان)، يقول: إن اختاروا الكفر بالله، على التصديق به والإقرار
بتوحيده =(ومن يتولهم منكم)، يقول: ومن يتخذهم منكم بطانة من دون المؤمنين، ويؤثر المقَام معهم على الهجرة إلى رسول الله ودار الإسلام (1) =(فأولئك هم الظالمون)، يقول: فالذين يفعلون ذلك منكم، هم الذين خالفوا أمرَ الله، فوضعوا الولاية في غير موضعها، وعصوا الله في أمره. (2)