786

[myself]

Do you write 786 and believe it means Bismillah?

This is NOT from the Sunnah and there is no evidence from the first 3 generations to prove it was done...

Please explain why you do this bid'ah.

[ibn suleman]

some scholars have said it is acceptable

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=f0553a3b9f71c4aadf72c2e26b9c724c

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=688&CATE=115

and some scholars have said it is an innovation.


this issue isnt gonna get solved here.

[Medievalist]

Do you write 786 and believe it means Bismillah?

This is NOT from the Sunnah and there is no evidence from the first 3 generations to prove it was done...

Please explain why you do this bid'ah.

oh sorry didnt read the question fully.,

The reason I write 786 is because its the number between 785 andf 787.

[OBL]

Do you write 786 and believe it means Bismillah?

no.

[Amaara]

oh sorry didnt read the question fully.,

The reason I write 786 is because its the number between 785 andf 787.

and whats the significance of those nums?:rolleyes:

[Medievalist]

and whats the significance of those nums?:rolleyes:

well if we didnt have 786 then when we counted in cencuses and there were 786 people in a village - they would be counted as 787 and thats inaccurate - thats why we should make shukr for having this number :D

[Refugee]

Yes. Only if there is fear of disrespect for the Basmilallah if written in full then it may be preferable to use the number 786 instead.

[Sulaiman Harun]

Numerology is haram!!

[Refugee]

definitely all actions are (based) on intentions - Sahih Bukhari

[bint]

to ME its innovation.

[myself]

definitely all actions are (based) on intentions - Sahih Bukhari
So you must also agree that when a stone/fire worshipper prays to a stone, he also claims I am worshiping God and NOt the stone, my intention is toward God.

[summer786]

i dont believe in it.

but it reminds me of bismillah and the username summer was already taken

[Refugee]

So you must also agree that when a stone/fire worshipper prays to a stone, he also claims I am worshiping God and NOt the stone, my intention is toward God.

Well i dont know what the disbelievers say or do ... but according to the
Ml. Suhail Tarmahomed & Mufti Ebrahim Desai "It is permissible to use the number 786 on letterheads etc if there is a fear of the name Allah being disrespected" like for example on wedding cards, newspaper etc;

My intention for using 786 is because i fear that the name of Allah wont get disrespected

[bint]

ref can i have the link to where Mufti Ebrahim D says it okay? thnx

[Refugee]

ref can i have the link to where Mufti Ebrahim D says it okay? thnx

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=f0553a3b9f71c4aadf72c2e26b9c724c

[ibn suleman]

ref can i have the link to where Mufti Ebrahim D says it okay? thnx

:smack:


did everyone miss my post ^ :p

[bint]

some scholars have said it is acceptable

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=f0553a3b9f71c4aadf72c2e26b9c724c

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=688&CATE=115

and some scholars have said it is an innovation.


this issue isnt gonna get solved here.


oh man..somewhere i read it..that its innovation..since last year now ive had this idea in my head..:smack:
so basically..its okay..i still prefer to write the who bismillah :p

i even had a debate with my bro :eek: :embar: gonna have to own up nooooowww!!:torture:

[Asma_Here]

I type or write out Bismillah when I m upto it, because Alhumdullilah I m not disabled to such an extent tht I'd shorten Allah's name..

But people do use tht format, just in case they know tht people will read it out as Bismiillah and if the paper falls on the ground there would be no harm done..

[ibn suleman]

oh man..somewhere i read it..that its innovation..since last year now ive had this idea in my head..:smack:
so basically..its okay..i still prefer to write the who bismillah :p

i even had a debate with my bro :eek: :embar: gonna have to own up nooooowww!!:torture:

lool

well i dunno some people use it...some people dont

but it is an innovation ;)

the issue is whether its an innovation in worship???

this bit sums it up well


However, the practice of substituting Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem with the number 786 is not substantiated by the Ahadith nor the Qur'aan. This was merely the practice of some of our pious predecessors. It is not a sunnah practice nor does it hold any virtue.


i dont use it...but im not gonna comdemn those who do either!

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

I use 786. A lot of people use it for business names, nicknames, email addresses etc.

Since the Ulamah say it is permissible that’s the end of the issue. Not much to debate about.

To me personally though, it’s about respect. Some people start their letters and documents with ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’, it is a very important and weighty verse, but there are chances that it may end up being disrespected, it may end up on the floor etc. I am very paranoid about things like that. If there is no chance of that happening then I’d always write ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’.

[Amaara]

well if we didnt have 786 then when we counted in cencuses and there were 786 people in a village - they would be counted as 787 and thats inaccurate - thats why we should make shukr for having this number :D

ok.....now im confused :scratch:...can that not be sed about any number :outta:

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

Well i dont know what the disbelievers say or do ... but according to the
Ml. Suhail Tarmahomed & Mufti Ebrahim Desai "It is permissible to use the number 786 on letterheads etc if there is a fear of the name Allah being disrespected" like for example on wedding cards, newspaper etc;

My intention for using 786 is because i fear that the name of Allah wont get disrespected

Spot on bruv

[Amaara]

I use 786. A lot of people use it for business names, nicknames, email addresses etc.

Since the Ulamah say it is permissible that’s the end of the issue. Not much to debate about.

To me personally though, it’s about respect. Some people start their letters and documents with ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’, it is a very important and weighty verse, but there are chances that it may end up being disrespected, it may end up on the floor etc. I am very paranoid about things like that. If there is no chance of that happening then I’d always write ‘Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem’.

okies...thats the point that we should follow...but did any1 hear about the nauzubillah of the 'blessed' day last year...07/08/06. I know some people were cooking up food and doing their recitations just because it was that day...:scratch:

[Abu Mus'ab]

oh man..somewhere i read it..that its innovation..since last year now ive had this idea in my head..:smack:
so basically..its okay..i still prefer to write the who bismillah :p

i even had a debate with my bro :eek: :embar: gonna have to own up nooooowww!!:torture:
From that ask imam site,

However, the practice of substituting Bismillahir Rahmaan Nir Raheem with the number 786 is not substantiated by the Ahadith nor the Qur'aan. This was merely the practice of some of our pious predecessors. It is not a sunnah practice nor does it hold any virtue.

They admit that it's a bid'ah, so *Roll Eyes*

[Abu Mus'ab]

ok.....now im confused :scratch:...can that not be sed about any number :outta:
Yes, and that's his point, he's saying it's just a number, nothing more.

[bint]

:smack:

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

okies...thats the point that we should follow...but did any1 hear about the nauzubillah of the 'blessed' day last year...07/08/06. I know some people were cooking up food and doing their recitations just because it was that day...:scratch:

The what? Was an ordinary day.

I do remember getting some special chain text message thingy tho.

[Abu Mus'ab]

the issue is whether its an innovation in worship???

Well since saying bismillahir rahmanir raheem is ibadah, and 786 is meant to replace it, then it becomes a bid'ah in worship.

[Fais]

Might be Permisssible .. but ive never used it.

[Eemaan]

Might be Permisssible .. but ive never used it.

How was the picnic :1popcorn:

[Amaara]

The what? Was an ordinary day.

I do remember getting some special chain text message thingy tho.

dude...i thought it was tooo..i member i was speaking to my friend and they were like ok amaara im gna read now coz its a special day today..I, sounding a lil confused replied what day, how comes i dont know and then she explained....

i was like :outta:...straight down to my bro n asking him 'how cumz...?'

sooner or later i got the text thing too...

[Fais]

How was the picnic :1popcorn:

I already told you .. And my bodys aching :crying: .. Pakis cant play football man .. :smack: .. Or cricket without arguing over every goal or every run.

[Medievalist]

You can write any number on any piece of paper. 234, 666 1296. 3.14156

Its when you think it means something that people go abt :wacko:

[Eemaan]

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[.: Rashid :.]

i dont agree with using/use 786 myself but same as thingie above, wont condenm people for using it...

and err...when i made this account i didnt know about the issues surrounding using the number 786 to replace tasmiya so...iv asked mods and that to change my name to just "Rashid" before but they never have :(

-Rashid

[myself]

Well i dont know what the disbelievers say or do ... but according to the
Ml. Suhail Tarmahomed & Mufti Ebrahim Desai "It is permissible to use the number 786 on letterheads etc if there is a fear of the name Allah being disrespected" like for example on wedding cards, newspaper etc;

My intention for using 786 is because i fear that the name of Allah wont get disrespected

Prophet Mohammad :saw: sent out letters with :start: on them.

Is anyone claiming they know more or know how better to respect Allah's words than Prophet Mohammad? :torture:

[Refugee]

Prophet Mohammad :saw: sent out letters with :start: on them.

Is anyone claiming they know more or know how better to respect Allah's words than Prophet Mohammad? :torture:
this has nothing to do with what i am saying, and where did i say that i know more then Prophet Mohammad :saw: .... you are assuming too much, how can you think that .... ok you tell what do people do now a days with old newspapers, invitations cards etc;

[myself]

this has nothing to do with what i am saying, and where did i say that i know more then Prophet Mohammad :saw: .... you are assuming too much, how can you think that .... ok you tell what do people do now a days with old newspapers, invitations cards etc;

My statement is in 'general', although I've quoted you. This is what people generally assume/believe :rolleyes:

What can be done, is that such words/pages can be burnt or dissolved in a river/sea, as the ink then is removed...and Allah knows best.

Hope that clears my point, Insha-Allah :)

[Na'eemah]

Check this link out: the 786 myth. It says that 786 actually represents a hindu gods name =s :vomit: Bidaaa

http://members.tripod.com/maseeh1/advices7/id152.htm :badguy:

I remember once I told someone that 786 is made up and not part of Islam, they accused me of making things up about the Qur'an :wacko:

[Niqaabi]

If its permissable to use 786 then can we refer to Allah as 1?
Or when we refer to Isa ibn maryam alayhe sallam can we use n-2?
or Muhammad :saw: as n-1?

[.: Anna :.]

what about the situation of writing just بسم on the top of the page instead of the full basmala, as an abbreviation and because then this does not have Allah's names in it, so if they fear it could be mistreated people write just this bism? for example on the start of their exam paper?
Is it better to just say bismillah to ourselves before begining or should we also write it?

[Niqaabi]

what about the situation of writing just بسم on the top of the page instead of the full basmala, as an abbreviation and because then this does not have Allah's names in it, so if they fear it could be mistreated people write just this bism? for example on the start of their exam paper?
Is it better to just say bismillah to ourselves before begining or should we also write it?
I think its the same as writing saws for salallahu alayhe wa sallam. i think i have an article on abbreviation, inshaAllah ill have a look.
But yeh people should abbreviate with things like that, like people say as or AA or AA WR WB for full salaam and really its not right because its not real duah and people should just write it or not write it. (got this from Abu Imran's talk).

[Abu Mus'ab]

I think its the same as writing saws for salallahu alayhe wa sallam. i think i have an article on abbreviation, inshaAllah ill have a look.
But yeh people should abbreviate with things like that, like people say as or AA or AA WR WB for full salaam and really its not right because its not real duah and people should just write it or not write it. (got this from Abu Imran's talk).
Islamqa.com also have a fatwa on that (abbreviations).

[myself]

Best just writing the translation in English...:)

[Makki]

i dont use it but 786 means bismillah in the abjad numerical system. it isnt arabic that the only thing you could say against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abjad_numerals

[Abu Nuh AMW]

oh sorry didnt read the question fully.,

The reason I write 786 is because its the number between 785 andf 787.

lol sheesh i did the same thing :rolleyes:

should've read the whole question first ... guess i better learn from this mistake before my exams in a months time :(

[Peacenik]

As someone mentioned, this seems to be in line with 'Numerology', a practice that is deemed Haraam in Islam.

How can certain people say it's permissible ?

Where are the Hadith's on this ?

Where in the Holy Quran does it say to substitute numbers instead of ALLAH (SWT)'s Name ?

And more to the point, how did the numbers '786' become so embedded in the culture of the Muslims ?

:(

[luqman-haqq]

ok if 786 is considered as bismillah. Why is 92 used? What is 92?
Instead of just 786, ive seen people write 786/92. Any clue?

[summer786]

ok if 786 is considered as bismillah. Why is 92 used? What is 92?
Instead of just 786, ive seen people write 786/92. Any clue?

best not to waste time going into it, they dont have any significance, y go there?

a number's a number's a number

[myself]

And more to the point, how did the numbers '786' become so embedded in the culture of the Muslims ?

:(
As Christians refer to 666 as the devil, the Muslims have done the opposite - WHICH does NOT mean it is correct or better...rather it's an imitation fo their deviated ways. :sub:

[bint_ummi]

if your gonna take the time to say bismillah, actually say it inshallah. we compress bismillah into 786, and we compress assalamualaikum to aa and salaam and such... occassionally adding wr wb and such... it makes you seem like you're not sincere. someone takes the time to write it out, versus someone that leaves you wit an acronym...its like praying 4 rakat in 1 minute flat-there's just no heart in it inshallah...