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So I'm curious and bored tonight and thought hey lets ask a question in the marriage thread :D.
1) Age?
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
3) Practicing Muslim?
4) Region/race/color important to you?
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
Basically I'm trying to survey and see how the statistics weight in on ones
desire to get married. I myself, being a bachelor, am hoping to find a nice good Muslim girl.
I guess I'll start:
1) Age: 23 I'd prefer a younger girl but it doesn't really matter as long as she is open, HONEST, and above all a GOOD MUSLIM FROM A GOOD MUSLIM FAMILY.
2) Single, was engaged but canceled due to finding out about other person's real intentions/identity.
3) Yes Practicing Muslims (praying etc...)
4) Bosnian; Would prefer to marry somebody of Bosnian or Arab descent (Must be a strong Muslim from a strong Muslim family...that's the most important thing)
5) Chaste and after Raziel showed me the implicit ways it is also important that my wife is chaste as well.
6) Education (Masters Degree in Computer, Information, and Network Security).
7) I would like to marry soon just haven't found Mrs. Right. Inshallah Allah will guide me to the "one".
8) My reasons are simple. Marriage is half of the faith. I've completed my education and I would like to start my life with somebody in a halal manner and raise good Muslim kids. I have a job I have everything else in place so I there is nothing else left to stop me.
umm_huraiyrah
26-03-07, 06:15 AM
Ok I'll play along.
Age: 34
married first time was 16 2nd time was 23 last time forever 27 i think? :scratch:
Of course we are practicing muslims
NOPE region/race does not matter what matter is he is a good practicing pious muslim
Chaste EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
Education? I have some in emergency med tech, certified nurses aid and some computer repair in college, dale has some college in commercial art, couseling, and diesel mechaics
I'm already married, Inshallah we'll be islamically married next week but may not happen with things going on at this moment
I love marriage. Dale is my best friend.
Hmmmm may be able to set u up with a very nice paki sister. :up:
Habiba
So I'm curious and bored tonight and thought hey lets ask a question in the marriage thread :D.
1) Age?
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
3) Practicing Muslim?
4) Region/race/color important to you?
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
Basically I'm trying to survey and see how the statistics weight in on ones
desire to get married. I myself, being a bachelor, am hoping to find a nice good Muslim girl.
I guess I'll start:
1) Age: 23 I'd prefer a younger girl but it doesn't really matter as long as she is open, HONEST, and above all a GOOD MUSLIM FROM A GOOD MUSLIM FAMILY.
2) Single, was engaged but canceled due to finding out about other person's real intentions/identity.
3) Yes Practicing Muslims (praying etc...)
4) Bosnian; Would prefer to marry somebody of Bosnian or Arab descent (Must be a strong Muslim from a strong Muslim family...that's the most important thing)
5) Chaste and after Raziel showed me the implicit ways it is also important that my wife is chaste as well.
6) Education (Masters Degree in Computer, Information, and Network Security).
7) I would like to marry soon just haven't found Mrs. Right. Inshallah Allah will guide me to the "one".
8) My reasons are simple. Marriage is half of the faith. I've completed my education and I would like to start my life with somebody in a halal manner and raise good Muslim kids. I have a job I have everything else in place so I there is nothing else left to stop me.
stephenoskie
26-03-07, 09:41 AM
1) Age?
16
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
Single
3) Practicing Muslim?
Well i try to pray fives times a day, which im finding very hard but inshallah i build my routine, i pray at least 4 times a day, (Fajr i miss because im lazy)
but im trying harder and hearder each day and inshallah ill get there just need to practise getting up early in the morning thats all
4) Region/race/color important to you?
no its not,
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
i dont understand this one so i cant really answer
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
well im in college doping a btec national but inshallah next year i wana be doing a level pyschology and english lit and language
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
erm well im 16 now so maybe when im 19 going on 20 inshallah
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
well i would like to get married to free me from the tempation of boys and stuff, also i dont wana get married because im scared i wouldnt make a good wife and also I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COOK :o :o :o
Inshallah
1) Age? 30`s
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
twice married and divorced once to a kaffir age 18, once to a muslim age 31 ( have a knack of being taken in by cruel miserley, and violent men who look like butter wouldnt melt in their mouths to the outside world)
3) Practicing Muslim? yes
4) Region/race/color important to you? must be muslim nothing else matters at all race has no importance in Islam what so ever.
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
important of course any practising muslim should be chaste.
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
schooled in the school of life, degrees etc. mean nothing at all and have no bearing at all on a persons Islamic intelligence.
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
absolutely terrified about getting married again
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
Im so scared of marriage, its so so risky as a revert, as u have no way of knowing about a mans real character and his real motivation for marrying you, and have no muslim family to check the guy out properly.
Im so scared of marriage, its so so risky as a revert, as u have no way of knowing about a mans real character and his real motivation for marrying you, and have no muslim family to check the guy out properly.
Sister, now that's interesting to think about honestly. As a Muslim brother (not a revert) I have the same feeling about marrying Muslimah (as I have been burned bad once). You really don't know the intentions of people I guess you have to have faith in Allah to provide for you the best. That's one thing I like about Arab/Pakistani/Indian culture is that the family looks out for their son's and daughter's and investigates the potential bride/groom..well it isn't really Arab/Pakistani/Indian culture but it is more so Islamic teachings that require this...I guess it is much more emphasized and practiced in these cultural societies. In Bosnia the sister's or brothers recommend somebody and they really do not know that much about the person (just make a recommendation based on the little knowledge they know about somebody). Finding somebody that is pious, honest, and a practicing Muslim in western societies is definitely very hard. May Allah help you find a good, loving, pious Muslim husband. Amin.
In regards to chaste/non-chaste it means if they committed previous sins such as fornification or other things such as doing drugs that would take the persons chastity away from them. Married and then divorcing still keeps a person chaste as they didn't go outside of the confines of the religious borders to do perverse acts.
Sister, now that's interesting to think about honestly. As a Muslim brother (not a revert) I have the same feeling about marrying Muslimah (as I have been burned bad once). You really don't know the intentions of people I guess you have to have faith in Allah to provide for you the best. That's one think I like about Arab/Pakistani/Indian culture is that the family looks out for their son's and daughter's and investigates the potential bride/groom. In Bosnia the sister's or brothers recommend somebody and they really do not know that much about the person (just make a recommendation based on the little knowledge they know about somebody). Finding somebody that is pious, honest, and a practicing Muslim in western societies is definitely very hard.
In regards to chaste/non-chaste it means if they committed previous sins such as fornification or other things such as doing drugs that would take the persons chastity away from them. Married and then divorcing still keeps a person chaste as they didn't go outside of the confines of the religious borders to do perverse acts.
I married from the lands of the muslims, arabic speaking hafiz of Quran,with very sound knowledge of the deen, from an excellent practising family, but it meant nothing in reality. even hafiz of Quran want free british passports and are willing to use their sisters in Islam and mess up their lives to get one these days. As for your point about chastity, i dont agree after all many muslims fall into sins, if they sincerely repent to Allah then its none of my buisness and i wouldnt judge them for their past mistakes.
sunrise
26-03-07, 07:47 PM
:0: [quote=Senad;1748223]So I'm curious and bored tonight and thought hey lets ask a question in the marriage thread :D.
1) Age? let me check my passport:D
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? last time i checked i was single but wait ima ask my husband 2 secs....
3) Practicing Muslim? depends what u call practising i don't eat pork if that's what u mean:torture:
4) Region/race/color important to you? not really unless he lives on Mars
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? what?:blobblue:
6) Education i got my G - C- E's if that's what you mean :D
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? very soon and later on in life :up:
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
Free Money
Free Food
Free Ring
Free stuff:inlove:
oh bwoy..
matrimonial thread :eek:
RUNNNNNNNNN!!!! :outta:
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
Free Money
Free Food
Free Ring
Free stuff:inlove:
:rotfl:
Bint Yusuf
26-03-07, 08:59 PM
oh bwoy..
matrimonial thread :eek:
RUNNNNNNNNN!!!! :outta:
lol ha ha..u read ma mind:D
ibn suleman
26-03-07, 09:18 PM
:0:
personal questions those...
lol exactly..i think if u wanna go matrimonial..do it in the gender sections ;)
I married from the lands of the muslims, arabic speaking hafiz of Quran,with very sound knowledge of the deen, from an excellent practising family, but it meant nothing in reality. even hafiz of Quran want free british passports and are willing to use their sisters in Islam and mess up their lives to get one these days. As for your point about chastity, i dont agree after all many muslims fall into sins, if they sincerely repent to Allah then its none of my buisness and i wouldnt judge them for their past mistakes.
exactly, sis, i seen to many passport grabbers, men and women. And in reagrds to sins, if allah says that the one who repents is like the one who has never sinned, then who are we to say once u have committed fornincation or done drugs ,your not chaste anymore? if u repent sincerely and dont go back to that sin, u are like the one who never sinned.
ummbilal
26-03-07, 09:34 PM
playing along too...
1) Age?29 nearly 30
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
arried llhumdullah at the time i became a muslim
3) Practicing Muslim? Allhumdulilah yep
4) Region/race/color important to you?
No iman and taqwa ia important race is not.
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
A pacising mulim should alwas be chaste
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
agree with Asiy, it tok until 29 to realse what it is i wonna do work wise, am educated enough to have home ducated my children who a bright and intelligenand run myownbusines allhumdlilah.
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?Iwould alwas recmmed mariage to he ngle people and i want mysons to think bou marriage early on.
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
see above
I amire people who strive to complee half of their deen through mariage,it ssuch an imprtant part o la, inshaallah you wll all find ious lovng mates.
ur_yusra
26-03-07, 10:58 PM
1) Age?
Mature bit difficult for a man I know :rolleyes:
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
Can't Remember.. :scratch:
3) Practicing Muslim?
Don't care long as he does housework.
4) Region/race/color important to you?
As long as he does housework and has ever ready cash.. thats all that matters.. He can be orange as long as he has the dollars to back him up.
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
Thats none of my business.
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
PhD preferably a professor in his field.
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
Whenever I can obtain the credit card.
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
I want someone to cook for me.
playing along too...
1) Age?29 nearly 30
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
arried llhumdullah at the time i became a muslim
3) Practicing Muslim? Allhumdulilah yep
4) Region/race/color important to you?
No iman and taqwa ia important race is not.
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
A pacising mulim should alwas be chaste
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
agree with Asiy, it tok until 29 to realse what it is i wonna do work wise, am educated enough to have home ducated my children who a bright and intelligenand run myownbusines allhumdlilah.
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?Iwould alwas recmmed mariage to he ngle people and i want mysons to think bou marriage early on.
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married.
see above
I amire people who strive to complee half of their deen through mariage,it ssuch an imprtant part o la, inshaallah you wll all find ious lovng mates.
what happened to ur text?! missing letters
exactly, sis, i seen to many passport grabbers, men and women. And in reagrds to sins, if allah says that the one who repents is like the one who has never sinned, then who are we to say once u have committed fornincation or done drugs ,your not chaste anymore? if u repent sincerely and dont go back to that sin, u are like the one who never sinned.
Actually that is a wrong outlook on things. If one is taught that if he repents for his sins he is like one who has never done then then what's to stop us from fornicating and repenting until we marry?
Allah is merciful but again Surah 24:3 states: "Let no man guilty of fornification or adultery marry not but one who is also guilty of fornification or adultery. For the believers it is forbidden." Implicit statement which mentions nothing afterwards in regards to one who repents. You can also read Surah 24:26 and also look at why this sin is punishable in public. So ones know of those who are guilty. So in conclusion yes it is important that the chaste marry the chaste.
You commit a sin you are NOT guaranteed to have that SIN WIPED OFF period. You may or may not but you are still known as a fornicator in THIS life. Just as a murderer is known as a murderer in this life by society.
[quote=Senad;1750654]Actually that is a wrong outlook on things. If one is taught that if he repents for his sins he is like one who has never done then then what's to stop us from fornicating and repenting until we marry?
if someone committed fornication with the intention of asking forgiveness later, do u think allah would forgive that person? as allah swt says, he knows what is in ones heart and if one committs sin while trying to decive allah swt in the process (this is what it is) then would allah not know that? Allah swt has revealed that verse to us to give those who genuinely do go astray , hope and come back to him.
I cant remebr if its a verse from quran or a Hadith but as a muslim you have to believ that as well as me.
Allah is merciful but again Surah 24:3 states: "Let no man guilty of fornification or adultery marry not but one who is also guilty of fornification or adultery. For the believers it is forbidden." Implicit statement which mentions nothing afterwards in regards to one who repents. You can also read Surah 24:26 and also look at why this sin is punishable in public. So ones know of those who are guilty. So in conclusion yes it is important that the chaste marry the chaste.
We have had this discusiion in detail so im going to repeat what i said b4, if someone has gone thru the steps of repentance and stopped fornicating, then they are like those who never sinned b4, those that contiue to fornicate will always be fornicators while they contiue to committ this sin, hence the verse u quoted is applicable to them because they are fornicators. What about non-muslims who become muslims? in their religion(christianity, judiasm) they are not supposed to fornicate either, are they fornicators forever? ,even tho allah swt says those non-muslims who turn to islam will be like new born babies who have never sinned?
You commit a sin you are NOT guaranteed to have that SIN WIPED OFF period. You may or may not but you are still known as a fornicator in THIS life. Just as a murderer is known as a murderer in this life by society.
so basically your saying those who sin (whatever that maybe ) they will have that over their heads forever in this life,they have no hope? that is not islam period. Allah swt has put steps of repentance in place and told us to stop the wrong we do, show regret, sincerity in asking for forgivenss and doing good deeds and inshallah repentance will b accepted.he SWT also said his mercy comes before his wrath. If we go by what u say, what hope has humankind got to go on the right path? yes they will not know until the day of judgement if they are forgiven but knowhere does it say that u have to live like that sinner and be treated like one, hence why you should not tell others your sins, whether thats fornicating , drugs, stealing etc.
its people most of the time who cant forgive or judge others for the rest of their lives for wrong they may have committed, Allah swt does not work that way.
Abdul-Curim
27-03-07, 11:25 AM
I married from the lands of the muslims, arabic speaking hafiz of Quran,with very sound knowledge of the deen, from an excellent practising family, but it meant nothing in reality. even hafiz of Quran want free british passports and are willing to use their sisters in Islam and mess up their lives to get one these days. As for your point about chastity, i dont agree after all many muslims fall into sins, if they sincerely repent to Allah then its none of my buisness and i wouldnt judge them for their past mistakes.
so how does a middleast born muslim who is also an hafidh-e-quran become plain opportunistic and is accused of mistreating his wife just coz he wishes to move into britain ?
so how does a middleast born muslim who is also an hafidh-e-quran become plain opportunistic and is accused of mistreating his wife just coz he wishes to move into britain ?
jus becos someone has memorised quran does not automatically mean , the person always has good intentions or has a sound heart.
Some people, are hafiz e quran , and read it like a parrot or beautifully but yet do not reflect or adapt on WHAT they are reading.
is evryone really takin this seriously? :p
sunrise
27-03-07, 01:07 PM
is evryone really takin this seriously? :p
sis have u actually read the profiles lol...why don't u do one for us binty :)
Abdul-Curim
27-03-07, 01:09 PM
jus becos someone has memorised quran does not automatically mean , the person always has good intentions or has a sound heart.
Some people, are hafiz e quran , and read it like a parrot or beautifully but yet do not reflect or adapt on WHAT they are reading.
i dont disagree .
Originally Posted by `asiya http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1748627#post1748627)
I married from the lands of the muslims, arabic speaking hafiz of Quran,with very sound knowledge of the deen, from an excellent practising family, but it meant nothing in reality. even hafiz of Quran want free british passports and are willing to use their sisters in Islam and mess up their lives to get one these days
hafiz-e-quran , very sound knowledge of deen and from an excellent practising family , but it meant nothing in reality is what confuses me .
how do you determine what is the right choice for you then ?
sis have u actually read the profiles lol...why don't u do one for us binty :)
pfft no ways man..gerrout of here :p
sunrise
27-03-07, 01:11 PM
pfft no ways man..gerrout of here :p
it don't have 2 b all true lol
it don't have 2 b all true lol
lol..
*starts making a fake profile*
:coolbro:
Al-ghurabah
27-03-07, 01:14 PM
is evryone really takin this seriously? :p
some have taken it seriosuly..its upto them
it don't have 2 b all true lol
notgood advice. .asking someone to lie :torture:
1) Age? 35
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? good question!
3) Practicing Muslim? Geez dunno what practicing cconsists of..but yeah a muslim alhamdulillah
4) Region/race/color important to you? not sure
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? what i is gonna ask that to evry dude? gerrout of here!
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc). even if he works as a dustbin man im not really that fussed :o
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? later in life im only 35!
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married. this wud take me all day..and i honestly dont have the time:D
sunrise
27-03-07, 01:16 PM
some have taken it seriosuly..its upto them
notgood advice. .asking someone to lie :torture:
:( :o i didn't mean to decieve...i meant a silly profile like some people have been posting up ahem
noway you should NEVER lie especially not to a potential spouse evvverrr.
ur_yusra
27-03-07, 01:37 PM
1) Age? 35
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? good question!
3) Practicing Muslim? Geez dunno what practicing cconsists of..but yeah a muslim alhamdulillah
4) Region/race/color important to you? not sure
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? what i is gonna ask that to evry dude? gerrout of here!
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc). even if he works as a dustbin man im not really that fussed :o
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? later in life im only 35!
8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married. this wud take me all day..and i honestly dont have the time:D
:rotfl:
1) Age?
18
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age?
Single
3) Practicing Muslim?
Hope so..
4) Region/race/color important to you?
Preferably Turkish, but I don't mind.
5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it?
Extremely important
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc).
Second year of college. Will start University in September Inshallah.
7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life?
Later in life.
if someone committed fornication with the intention of asking forgiveness later, do u think allah would forgive that person? as allah swt says, he knows what is in ones heart and if one committs sin while trying to decive allah swt in the process (this is what it is) then would allah not know that? Allah swt has revealed that verse to us to give those who genuinely do go astray , hope and come back to him.
I cant remebr if its a verse from quran or a Hadith but as a muslim you have to believ that as well as me.
I have no problems in believing that Allah will forgive them. None at all. But also keep in mind one should not go astray if they follow the right path. Allah gave us free will and choice and people should realize this as well. You choose to fornicate and go astray and yes there is hope and Inshallah Allah will forgive but again one cannot be certain of the acceptance of ones repentance.
We have had this discusiion in detail so im going to repeat what i said b4, if someone has gone thru the steps of repentance and stopped fornicating, then they are like those who never sinned b4, those that contiue to fornicate will always be fornicators while they contiue to committ this sin, hence the verse u quoted is applicable to them because they are fornicators. What about non-muslims who become muslims? in their religion(christianity, judiasm) they are not supposed to fornicate either, are they fornicators forever? ,even tho allah swt says those non-muslims who turn to islam will be like new born babies who have never sinned?
So a murderer will never be called a murder if he repents? No, the murderer is still known as a Murderer in this life by society just as a fornicator will forever be known as a fornicator in this life. What happens in the next life is with them and Allah repentance or not. Look at the verse again ONE WHO IS GUILTY OF. This means one who has comited and this includes those who have repented. Chaste men and women are not guilty of they are chaste and have retained their chastity. Your chastity is not something you can hide (unless you are a male).
Non-Muslims who become Muslims start at a clean slate. Muslims who know of the sins and still do it are sinners period and in this life will be known as Fornicators. Muslims do not remove themselves from their religion unless they announce their denouncement. A christian who has sinned and turns to Islam starts at a clean slate. A muslim does not. Think about this...there is a reason why fornication has two punishments...one in public for the community to see and one by Allah in the afterlife. Not too many other sins have such punishments.
Read these two Surahs as they are implicit...IE: Nothing else will void them:
24:3 Let no man guilty of Adultery or fornication marry Any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: Nor let any but such a woman or an unebliever Marry such a man. To the Believers such a thing is forbidden. (2957)
2957: Islam commands sex purity, for men and for women, at all times -- before marriage, during amrriage and after the disoslution of mariage. Those guilty of illicit practices are shut out of the marriage circle of chaste men and women.
24:26 Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure, and women of purity are for men of purity and men of purity are for women of purtity: These are not affectged By what people say: (2978) For them there is forgiveness and a provision honorable (2979).
2978: The pure consort with the pure, and the impure with the impure. If the impure, out of the impurity of their thoughts, or imaginations, impute any evil to the pure, the pure are not affected by it, but they should avoid all occasions for random talk.
2979: Forgivenss for any indescriotion with they may have innocently commited, and spirtual provisions of protection against the assaults of Evil. It is also meant that the more evil ones attempt to defame or slander them, the more triumphantly will they be vindicated and provided with teh physical and moral good which will advance their real life.
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so basically your saying those who sin (whatever that maybe ) they will have that over their heads forever in this life,they have no hope? that is not islam period.
Wrong that is Islam...you carry your sins so you can do better deeds and become a better person. One who forgets their sins will not remember Allahs wrath. A good Muslim must at the same time Love his creator and also fear his creators punishments in the next life.
At the same time Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) also expects the Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims) to be aware of their own sins. The Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) is his own harshest critic. Ibn Mas'ood (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ibn_Mas%27ood&action=edit), a Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) scholar, is reported to have said: "A believer sees his sins as if he were sitting under a mountain which he is afraid may fall on him, whereas the wicked person considers his sins as flies passing over his nose and he just drives them away like this (and he moved his hand over his nose in illustration)." (2)
Allah swt has put steps of repentance in place and told us to stop the wrong we do, show regret, sincerity in asking for forgivenss and doing good deeds and inshallah repentance will b accepted.he SWT also said his mercy comes before his wrath. If we go by what u say, what hope has humankind got to go on the right path? yes they will not know until the day of judgement if they are forgiven but knowhere does it say that u have to live like that sinner and be treated like one, hence why you should not tell others your sins, whether thats fornicating , drugs, stealing etc.
its people most of the time who cant forgive or judge others for the rest of their lives for wrong they may have committed, Allah swt does not work that way.
Again wrong. You don't know if Allah will accept your repentance nor do I. We can only work and try to show him how good we are. That is why one should AVOID such sins and not take them lightly as many Muslims have. THIS is EXACTLY why we see fornication on the rise because Muslims, their parents, and the Ummah Community as a whole are not taking proper measures to talk and discuss about sins. There is always hope but a Muslim should WORK HARD and DO GOOD DEEDS to show he is a changed person. When one repents one should also be ready to change as a person as a WHOLE. Not just lifestyle but the inner self, the little devils that work against you should be controlled etc...
I hope Allah accepts everybodies repentances for their sins I really do and that he shows his mercy to all of our brothers and sisters. May Allah accept ALL of our sins and SHOW us his Mercy. Amin.
But if for one SECOND you believe that Allah has forgiven or will forgive your sins then you are not following the prescription for repentance. It is something you must strive and work hard to do and of COURSE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU! Our Prophet (SAWS) always feared his sins and did the best he could do with his good deeds and praying to Allah for forgiveness and even then he STILL feared Allah would NOT forgive his sins. Follow our beloved Prophet's (SAWS) examples should we not?
"Do good deeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_deeds&action=edit) properly, sincerely and moderately, and rejoice, for no one's good deeds will put him in Paradise." The Companions (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Companions&action=edit) asked, "Not even you O Messenger of Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)?" He replied, "Not even me unless Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah) bestows His pardon and mercy on me".[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#_note-r6)
Ok I'm starting to sound like Raziel now hahahah :D.
ABDELTAWWAB
27-03-07, 04:40 PM
it don't have 2 b all true lol
Yes your marriage profile must be completely totally true that you write :insha: in'shaa'ALLAH.
:salams Muslimeen
Al-Hilali/Khan English Translation Interpretation of the Meaning of
Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51 Ayat 10-18
10. Cursed be the liars,
11. Who are under a cover of heedlessness (think not about the gravity of the Hereafter),
12. They ask; "When will be the Day of Recompense?"
13. (It will be) a Day when they will be tried (i.e. burnt) over the Fire!
14. "Taste you your trial (burning)! This is what you used to ask to be hastened!"
15. Verily, the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2) will be in the midst of Gardens and Springs (in the Paradise),
16. Taking joy in the things which their Lord has given them. Verily, they were before this Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).
17. They used to sleep but little by night [invoking their Lord (ALLAH) and praying, with fear and hope].
18. And in the hours before dawn, they were (found) asking (ALLAH) for forgiveness,
:1popcorn:
Ohh Marraige CV thread,
this is turning into a matrimonials isnt is :smack:
sunrise
27-03-07, 04:44 PM
Yes your marriage profile must be completely totally true that you write :insha: in'shaa'ALLAH.
:salams Muslimeen
Al-Hilali/Khan English Translation Interpretation of the Meaning of
Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51 Ayat 10-18
10. Cursed be the liars,
11. Who are under a cover of heedlessness (think not about the gravity of the Hereafter),
12. They ask; "When will be the Day of Recompense?"
13. (It will be) a Day when they will be tried (i.e. burnt) over the Fire!
14. "Taste you your trial (burning)! This is what you used to ask to be hastened!"
15. Verily, the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2) will be in the midst of Gardens and Springs (in the Paradise),
16. Taking joy in the things which their Lord has given them. Verily, they were before this Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).
17. They used to sleep but little by night [invoking their Lord (ALLAH) and praying, with fear and hope].
18. And in the hours before dawn, they were (found) asking (ALLAH) for forgiveness,
wow i can't help but think your calling me a liar indirectly!
Brother i didn't mean that we should lie to potential spouse never did i say that
what i meant was as many people have tuned this thread into a mockery me myself being one of those i meant that she submit a profile that didn't have 2 b true and when reading it the person would obviously know it wasn't a real profile...
i guess i assumed too much
Yes your marriage profile must be completely totally true that you write :insha: in'shaa'ALLAH.
:salams Muslimeen
Al-Hilali/Khan English Translation Interpretation of the Meaning of
Surah Adh-Dhariyat 51 Ayat 10-18
10. Cursed be the liars,
11. Who are under a cover of heedlessness (think not about the gravity of the Hereafter),
12. They ask; "When will be the Day of Recompense?"
13. (It will be) a Day when they will be tried (i.e. burnt) over the Fire!
14. "Taste you your trial (burning)! This is what you used to ask to be hastened!"
15. Verily, the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2) will be in the midst of Gardens and Springs (in the Paradise),
16. Taking joy in the things which their Lord has given them. Verily, they were before this Muhsinûn (good-doers - see V.2:112).
17. They used to sleep but little by night [invoking their Lord (ALLAH) and praying, with fear and hope].
18. And in the hours before dawn, they were (found) asking (ALLAH) for forgiveness,
:jkk:
Just to clear things up a bit, (I'm not saying that you alleged that anyone is a liar bro),
lets not call or imply that we or each other are lairs..
also we cannot advice anyone to speak Falsehood, this is Unislamic, if they take our advice (to lie that is) we will be partially responsible and will have to answer to Allah for it...
If there is Something we don't want to say, we have two options...
1. Keep quite...
2. Say that don't want to answer the question...
May Allah Unite my Muslim Brothers & Sisters with Love, Understanding, Knowledge, Wisdom and Strength! :D
wow i can't help but think your calling me a liar indirectly!
Brother i didn't mean that we should lie to potential spouse never did i say that
what i meant was as many people have tuned this thread into a mockery me myself being one of those i meant that she submit a profile that didn't have 2 b true and when reading it the person would obviously know it wasn't a real profile...
i guess i assumed too much
Islam stands decisively against mocking others, warning “that no one mock others lest they be better than you”.
Perhaps if you can't say something nice you should not mock?
I didn't mean for this to become a "personals ad" I am honestly curious to see marriage ages and thinking.
senad i jus wrote a long reply to your post to me and when i clicked Submit it threw me out!
and now its all gone *sadface*
i cant be bothered to write it up again, if i feel like it later i will do it again
ABDELTAWWAB
27-03-07, 04:57 PM
wow i can't help but think your calling me a liar indirectly!
Brother i didn't mean that we should lie to potential spouse never did i say that
what i meant was as many people have tuned this thread into a mockery me myself being one of those i meant that she submit a profile that didn't have 2 b true and when reading it the person would obviously know it wasn't a real profile...
i guess i assumed too much
The purpose of this thread was to :insha: in'shaa'ALLAH make a completely sincere totally honest real profile of yourself for marriage :insha: in'shaa'ALLAH and not to make a mockery of the thread at all. I did not call you a liar at all , it is your gulity conscience that makes you feel that way.
i dont disagree .
hafiz-e-quran , very sound knowledge of deen and from an excellent practising family , but it meant nothing in reality is what confuses me .
how do you determine what is the right choice for you then ?
u cant tell even if a person appears to be a good muslim in front of u, there is no gaurentee of his behaviour behind closed doors:
Narrated Hudhaifa From among the people, Ibn Um'Abd greatly resembled Allah's Apostles in solemn gate and good appearance of piety and in calmness and sobriety from the time he goes out of his house till he returns to it. But we do not know how he behaves with his family when he is alone with them.
Narrated Abu Huraira, The Prophet said, "The worst people in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection will be the double faced people who appear to some people with one face and to other people with another face."
the fact of the matter is that even iblis knows the Quran and who Is Allah ta ala, but in reality it means nothing to him as he does not submit, a person may have great knowledge of Islam but it means nothing unless they act upon it in every aspect of their life. Perhaps this is something that effects reverts to Islam in particular as they have no family to protect them from evil do-ers and to thouroughly check out a persons character, also some of the muslim families of a potential spouse are not always forthcomings in stating the truth about a persons character and temprement and some sugar coat it to make them look good.
u cant tell even if a person appears to be a good muslim in front of u, there is no gaurentee of his behaviour behind closed doors:
Narrated Hudhaifa From among the people, Ibn Um'Abd greatly resembled Allah's Apostles in solemn gate and good appearance of piety and in calmness and sobriety from the time he goes out of his house till he returns to it. But we do not know how he behaves with his family when he is alone with them.
Narrated Abu Huraira, The Prophet said, "The worst people in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection will be the double faced people who appear to some people with one face and to other people with another face."
the fact of the matter is that even iblis knows the Quran and who Is Allah ta ala, but in reality it means nothing to him as he does not submit, a person may have great knowledge of Islam but it means nothing unless they act upon it in every aspect of their life. Perhaps this is something that effects reverts to Islam in particular as they have no family to protect them from evil do-ers and to thoroughly check out a persons character, also some of the Muslim families of a potential spouse are not always forthcomings in stating the truth about a persons character and temperament and some sugar coat it to make them look good.
Wise words sis...:D
Allah knows well what Mankind conceals in their Hearts...
I agree we should not build Marriage on Falsehood...
May Allah save us from being in the Company of the Munafiqoon...
:jkk:
Just one Point when we say Insha'allah, we aught to put every effort from our side to fulfill whatever it is we are talking about...
and Not as an Alternative to saying 'No...'
:jkk: brothers and sisters...
1) Age? 17
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? never been marrid
3) Practicing Muslim? if that means i pray, wear hijab, trying to live by shariah then yes4) Region/race/color important to you? gotta be a bangi, im losing my mother tongue as it is. 5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? very
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc). yes must be educated so can get a gud stable job7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? whenever parents want to kick me out the house :rolleyes: 8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married. love to get married cos i want to share my life with a man n cos marriage is half of islam n that its important n good for lowering gaze etc etc
not get marrid cos im just worrid really. i need to learn how to look after myslef b4 sum1 else n then what if i get mean inlaws. or my hubby doesnt turn out to be all that good. and then after marriage i'll have to have kids. thats reaaaally scares me.
1) Age? 17
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? never been marrid
3) Practicing Muslim? if that means i pray, wear hijab, trying to live by shariah then yes4) Region/race/color important to you? gotta be a bangi, im losing my mother tongue as it is. 5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? very
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc). yes must be educated so can get a gud stable job7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? whenever parents want to kick me out the house :rolleyes: 8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married. love to get married cos i want to share my life with a man n cos marriage is half of islam n that its important n good for lowering gaze etc etc
not get marrid cos im just worrid really. i need to learn how to look after myslef b4 sum1 else n then what if i get mean inlaws. or my hubby doesnt turn out to be all that good. and then after marriage i'll have to have kids. thats reaaaally scares me.
Insha'allah Allah will grant you a Husband in whom he is well pleased, a Pious Muslim...:D
:jkk:
ABDELTAWWAB
28-03-07, 05:31 PM
1) Age? 17
2) Single/Divorced/Never Married/Married if married at what age? never been marrid
3) Practicing Muslim? if that means i pray, wear hijab, trying to live by shariah then yes4) Region/race/color important to you? gotta be a bangi, im losing my mother tongue as it is. 5) Chaste/Not-Chaste? How important is it? very
6) Education (Some College, Bachelors, Masters, PhD, etc). yes must be educated so can get a gud stable job7) Would like to marry very soon or later in life? whenever parents want to kick me out the house :rolleyes: 8) Reasons you would like and not like to get married. love to get married cos i want to share my life with a man n cos marriage is half of islam n that its important n good for lowering gaze etc etc
not get marrid cos im just worrid really. i need to learn how to look after myslef b4 sum1 else n then what if i get mean inlaws. or my hubby doesnt turn out to be all that good. and then after marriage i'll have to have kids. thats reaaaally scares me.
:salams Ukhtee RAJMIN
Baarek ALLAHU Feekeey wa Yadeekeey wa Jazaakee ALLAHU Khayraan Katheeraan wa ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH for all of your most extremely wonderful excellent sincerity and honesty and Taqwa. :)
May ALLAH ELWAHHAB shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest lavish Opulent BARAKAAT on to you Ukhtee Rajmin in this Dunya and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!!!!
miss-islamic
28-03-07, 08:24 PM
Chaste and after Raziel showed me the implicit ways it is also important that my wife is chaste as wellYou commit a sin you are NOT guaranteed to have that SIN WIPED OFF period. You may or may not but you are still known as a fornicator in THIS life. Just as a murderer is known as a murderer in this life by society.Oh Good God. Raizel is not a scholar. He may have a point with the ayah but thats for scholars to figure out. Everybody else should now that forgiveness is a fundamental part of Islam and it law. You don’t expose your sins and you done interrogate others to do so. When some ask for forgiveness or claims to have repented you have to act like they never ever committed that crime. For example, in Islamic law when someone is murders he is NOT called a murder all his life IF in according to Islamic law the victim’s family forgives him and doesn’t want him to get the punishment
Even in the case of homosexuality they are give a chance to repent,
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend leave them alone; for Allah is Oft Returning, Most Merciful. ( 4:16 )
I don’t get it. I’v see this happen before --why do people forget or ignore the whole forgiveness/mercy half of Islam/Shriah and only talk and enact the punishment/justice?
One more point is the hadeeth by the prophet where a prostitute repents and tells the prophets. And the prophet tells her he will find her a husband. When he asked the sahaba who wanted to marry her, they all wanted to. And now here we have you and raizel hugup about peoples past. The sahaba didn’t think twice and put it aside. Well, it more probably because it was the prophet who made the call and sahabah used to rush to obey him. But the lesson is still in there.
Inshallah this post will make you re-think over your view. :)
Lambo5688
28-03-07, 08:37 PM
Interesting thread.
Posting my profile is too much fitnah. So I wont.
Oh Good God. Raizel is not a scholar. He may have a point with the ayah but thats for scholars to figure out. Everybody else should now that forgiveness is a fundamental part of Islam and it law. You don’t expose your sins and you done interrogate others to do so. When some ask for forgiveness or claims to have repented you have to act like they never ever committed that crime. For example, in Islamic law when someone is murders he is NOT called a murder all his life IF in according to Islamic law the victim’s family forgives him and doesn’t want him to get the punishment
Even in the case of homosexuality they are give a chance to repent,
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend leave them alone; for Allah is Oft Returning, Most Merciful. ( 4:16 )
Ah thank you I KNEW somebody would bring up Surah 4:16. This Surah (if you read further on which is written by scholars) is indeed changed by 24:3 by Allah and the PUNISHMENT is made harsher. I did a lot of research and discussing with scholars and Imams in regards to this issue and it is widely accepted that the newer revelation and punishment that was made by Allah is his will and we must punish accordingly (even if it harsher).
So a thief who has his arm cut off will not be thought of as a thief although people will know why his arm was cut off :rolleyes:...
You say forgiveness is part of Islam yes that is true but Allah also states CLEARLY:
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." 3:90.
A way this can be looked at clearly is that if one is a Muslim and does bad deeds their repentance will NEVER be accepted.
Read teh Tafsir brother:
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10619
I don’t get it. I’v see this happen before --why do people forget or ignore the whole forgiveness/mercy half of Islam/Shriah and only talk and enact the punishment/justice?
I don't forget about the forgiveness but in the matter of a chaste person marrying a chaste woman then it is forbidden. Allah has forbidden it implicitly as stated in my previous statements. As Muslims we can forgive them and help them but we also must not mingle with them when it comes to marriage. For the chaste are the chaste or as Allah says:
24:3 Let no man guilty of Adultery or fornication marry Any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: Nor let any but such a woman or an unebliever Marry such a man. To the Believers such a thing is forbidden. (2957)
2957: Islam commands sex purity, for men and for women, at all times -- before marriage, during amrriage and after the disoslution of mariage. Those guilty of illicit practices are shut out of the marriage circle of chaste men and women.
24:26 Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure, and women of purity are for men of purity and men of purity are for women of purtity: These are not affectged By what people say: (2978) For them there is forgiveness and a provision honorable (2979).
2978: The pure consort with the pure, and the impure with the impure. If the impure, out of the impurity of their thoughts, or imaginations, impute any evil to the pure, the pure are not affected by it, but they should avoid all occasions for random talk.
2979: Forgivenss for any indescriotion with they may have innocently commited, and spirtual provisions of protection against the assaults of Evil. It is also meant that the more evil ones attempt to defame or slander them, the more triumphantly will they be vindicated and provided with teh physical and moral good which will advance their real life.
One more point is the hadeeth by the prophet where a prostitute repents and tells the prophets. And the prophet tells her he will find her a husband. When he asked the sahaba who wanted to marry her, they all wanted to. And now here we have you and raizel hugup about peoples past. The sahaba didn’t think twice and put it aside. Well, it more probably because it was the prophet who made the call and sahabah used to rush to obey him. But the lesson is still in there.
Which Hadeeth was this? Was it a strong Hadeeth? You mention the Hadeeth with no references or how strong it is. Also the Allah also stated 24:3 clearly as a sign to not marry those type of people. Even after the statement of the verse the Prophet (SAWS) stated "DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN!". It seems that the text in the Holy Qur'an is conflicting itself with a hadeeth and if the hadeeth is weak then we can imply it is false as Allah's word is stronger.
:salams Ukhtee RAJMIN
Baarek ALLAHU Feekeey wa Yadeekeey wa Jazaakee ALLAHU Khayraan Katheeraan wa ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH for all of your most extremely wonderful excellent sincerity and honesty and Taqwa. :)
May ALLAH ELWAHHAB shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest lavish Opulent BARAKAAT on to you Ukhtee Rajmin in this Dunya and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!!!!
aw :jkk:
please remember me in your duas
and i pray the same for you:)
Insha'allah Allah will grant you a Husband in whom he is well pleased, a Pious Muslim...:D
:jkk:
:jkk: May Allah bless you with good fortune and happiness always :)
:salams Ukhtee RAJMIN
Baarek ALLAHU Feekeey wa Yadeekeey wa Jazaakee ALLAHU Khayraan Katheeraan wa ALHAMDULILLAHI RABBIL 'ALAMEEN wa ma'shaa'ALLAH for all of your most extremely wonderful excellent sincerity and honesty and Taqwa. :)
May ALLAH ELWAHHAB shower the most extremely immense infinite amount of the most extremely wonderful beautiful magnificent delightful sweetest loveliest lavish Opulent BARAKAAT on to you Ukhtee Rajmin in this Dunya and in the Akhirah. ALLAHumma Aameen!!!!
i love this post, it makes me so happy evrytime i look at it. the ummahs so sweet.
Abu Mus'ab
30-03-07, 08:44 AM
:0:
personal questions those...
Ditto
Al-ghurabah
30-03-07, 08:57 AM
Ditto
not every1 so secretive :rolleyes:
Abu Mus'ab
30-03-07, 09:05 AM
Islam stands decisively against mocking others, warning “that no one mock others lest they be better than you”.
Perhaps if you can't say something nice you should not mock?
I didn't mean for this to become a "personals ad" I am honestly curious to see marriage ages and thinking.
She didn't mock anyone, in fact i haven't seen anyone mocking anyone in this thread.
Abu Mus'ab
30-03-07, 09:11 AM
not every1 so secretive :rolleyes:
maybe, but i don't want to get pm's from 'wierdos' *Roll Eyes*
miss-islamic
30-03-07, 03:54 PM
So a thief who has his arm cut off will not be thought of as a thief although people will know why his arm was cut off ...
Isn’t it hand cut off ?
People will know but if he claims to have “repent and amended; for Allah is Oft Returning, Most Merciful“(a statement routinely used in the quran) then we are to the act if they never commit the crime. Not hassle them because of their past. Almost all punishments in the shariah give a chance asking for forgives and if its committed against somebody else them ask them for it i.e forgiveness. Its cool.
You say forgiveness is part of Islam yes that is true but Allah also states CLEARLY:
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." 3:90.
A way this can be looked at clearly is that if one is a Muslim and does bad deeds their repentance will NEVER be accepted
OhMyGoodGod. How can you say this? I think you view of this is twisted and disturbing. Forgiveness is an important and routinely emphasised part of Islam. all those lectures, books, khutbas, ayahs and haddeths about how Allah(swt) is forgiving? How His Mercy prevails his Wrath? All human sin, the best of sinner are those who ask for forgiveness is a hadeeth. we shouldn’t dwell to much if our repentance is not accepted but try to make it sincere. The prophet did say that those who repent “is like him who has no sin on him.”
Committing adultery or “bad deeds” does not mean you have rejected faith or their repentance is not accepted. If that was the case OBL would not be “Muslim.” The name for them is fasiq (wrong doer). the way it works is that if you are Muslim and you sin is humanly(murder, stealing) it doesn’t take you away from Islam. But if you do a sin that is a Muslim sin (like e.g adding something in the shadah. Not believing or doing one of the pillars of islam) then it can take you more easily out of Islam. But a chance for repenting is in the air until ones last breath.
Even after the statement of the verse the Prophet (SAWS) stated "DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN
the story about marthad and anaq, right? in the story Marthad wanted to marry a women who was fornicator. NOT a person who “repented and amended” from it
What the verse (24:3) means is that the one who marries a person, man or woman, who has committed zina and has not repented from that must be either a person who is not adhering to the rulings of Allaah and His Messenger,...
...
This clearly indicates that it is haraam to marry a zaaniyah until she repents, or to marry a zaani until he repents, because the partnership between a man and his wife or a woman and her husband is the closest of partnerships
…
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents, whether it was he or someone else who committed zina with her. This is undoubtedly the correct view, and it is the view of a number of the earlier and later generations, including Ahmad ibn Hanbal and others.
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=85335&ln=eng (http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=85335&ln=eng)
Read teh Tafsir brother:
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10619 (http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=4&tid=10619)
Yes. From the link,
And if they repent and do righteous good deeds), by refraining from that evil act, and thereafter their actions become righteous, (leave them alone), do not verbally abuse them after that, since he who truly repents is just like he who has no sin. Surely, Allah is Ever the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful.
(btw, im a sister. :D)
don't forget about the forgiveness but in the matter of a chaste person marrying a chaste woman then it is forbidden. Allah has forbidden it implicitly as stated in my previous statements. As Muslims we can forgive them and help them but we also must not mingle with them when it comes to marriage. For the chaste are the chaste or as Allah says:
Have you heard of the words “wake up call”and “awakening?” People do stupid stuff and then one day realise and become good Muslims. Who are they suppose to marry then? Go with somebody from the bad crowd they used to hang out with? We are not suppose to tell others our sins or interrogate other for theirs…All humans sin just because some are not exposed doesn’t make it right or the sin less. Whenever people use to commit crimes and then confess it to the prophet he would tell them that he did not want to know or try to make excuses for them. one of Allah(swt) name is “Sateer”, which means “he who screens the sins and shortcomings of his creatures” If He did that we are to keep it like that. And even the punishment , if its an Islamic state we are suppose to NOT enact as much as we can. Its more merciful then you make it look like(or its done nowadays), im telling you. :D
Which Hadeeth was this? Was it a strong Hadeeth? You mention the Hadeeth with no references or how strong it is. Also the Allah also stated 24:3 clearly as a sign to not marry those type of people. Even after the statement of the verse the Prophet (SAWS) stated "DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN!". It seems that the text in the Holy Qur'an is conflicting itself with a hadeeth and if the hadeeth is weak then we can imply it is false as Allah's word is stronger.
I heard it but it was from somebody reliable. hmm, if I ever find the source I’ll send it you. And, how about the story of the prostitute who gave water to a dog and will be going to heaven?
peace2u
30-03-07, 04:16 PM
Is it really safe to put up personal information on a site like this? :S Proceed with caution and care!
Peace
Abu Mus'ab
30-03-07, 04:20 PM
Is it really safe to put up personal information on a site like this? :S Proceed with caution and care!
Peace
Some people didn't use their personal info, just some made up things, but no it's not fully safe because you might a get a weirdo pm'ing you *Roll Eyes*
miss-islamic
30-03-07, 04:41 PM
@senad
Here a book about repentance, I Want to Repent, But ... (http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/i_want_to_repent_but/index.htm#The%20repentance%20of%20one%20who%20kill ed%20a%20hundred)
the book is good(esp for you!:D ) but the one thing im perplexed about in the book involves the ayah 24:3 we are talking about.
in q/a to a guy who committed fornication. The sheikh uses the ayah to answer that is not allowed for him to marry the girl(he committed fornication with). And especially if theres a baby involved! (you gotta love the logic of that , eh?) BUT if they both repent and theres no baby involved thenthey can get married!
Here it is,
Q18: There is another matter that has been worrying me. I committed illegal sexual intercourse with a woman. How do I repent from this sin? Is it permissible for me to marry her in order to cover up the affair?
Another man may say that he committed illegal sexual intercourse while he was overseas, and that the woman became pregnant as a result. Is this his child, and is he obliged to send money to meet the child’s expenses?
A18: …
As regards the question about the person who committed illegal sexual intercourse, either of the following situations will apply:
Either he had intercourse with her by force (i.e., rape). In this case, he has to pay her an appropriate mahr (dowry) as compensation for the harm that he has caused her, and he has to repent sincerely to Allaah. If the matter has come to the attention of the authorities, the appropriate punishment is to be carried out on him. (See al-Madaarij, 1/366).
Or he has intercourse with her with her consent. In this case, all that he is required to do is to repent. The child does not take his name and is not regarded as being his at all. He does not have to spend on the child because it is the result of fornication; in this case the child should take the mother’s name, not the name of the man who committed fornication.
It is not permitted for a man who is repenting to marry the woman in order to cover up the affair, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Let no man guilty of fornication or adultery marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an unbeliever marry such a woman...” [al-Noor 24:3]
It is not permitted for a man to marry a woman who is pregnant as the result of fornication, even if it is that man’s child, or to marry a woman when one does not know if she is pregnant or not.
If he and the woman both repent sincerely, and she is proven not to be pregnant, then it is permissible for him to marry her and start a new life with her which is pleasing to Allaah.
:rubeyes:
Here are another ayah and haddeth about repenting from the book. :D
“ ‘O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and put your hope in Me, I will forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, if your sins were to reach the clouds of the sky, and you were to ask me for forgiveness, I will forgive you and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, if you were to come to Me with sins nearly the size of the earth, and you were to meet Me not associating anything with Me, then I would bring you forgiveness nearly the size of (the earth).’” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4338).
Say: ‘O My slaves who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And turn in repentance and in obedience with true faith to your Lord and submit to Him…” [al-Zumar 39:53-54].
Again,
You guys keep misconfusing my stance. It is not about repentance but if a CHASTE PERSON can marry one who is NOT chaste. Allah will InshAllah forgive one for their sins and as Muslims we must as well.
But he has also INCLUSIVELY FORBIDDEN us to marry ones that are not chaste. Repetance fine but marrying a chaste to a non-chaste Allah has clearly showed us.
Awakening or not if a person knew they were a Muslim and if they fasted or called themselves a Muslim they knew of the sins one has had (as I stated in 3:90 if you are aware of your faith you have technically accepted it).
As I stated in that Qur'anic verse 24:3 DOES NOT STATE ANYTHING about us marrying one who is guilty of and repents. 24:4 Allah states punishment for one who accuses one not guilty and is wrong. And on 24:5 Allah strictly says to leave those people if they repent. So Allah strictly talks about repentance but mentions none after verse 24:3. I have heard scholars discuss this both ways.
Yes the prostitute Hadeeth comes to mind and yes forgiveness is something Allah can give. But when it comes to chaste men and women marry ones who were not chaste it is clearly forbidden implicitly in the Qur'an. Again it is not about forgiveness it is about if one is allowed to live with the ones who have lost their chastity.
What worries me about the way I see everybody discussing that yes Allah will forgive you is that NOBODY mentions about how GRAVE the sin is. Instead we seem to comfort those who are guilty and state how repentance will be given (InshAllah perhaps). Now look at what garbage our youth will read and THINK about..."Hey this person committed Zina and everybody tells them to repent so hence it is neither a big sin or I can do it and seek repentance later on". There is a fine line we must draw and from just reading the Surah's (Such as 24:3 and 24:26) and the Hadeeths we can see that we have implicitly been drawn that line. Islam teaches us about the Black and White (Good and Bad) and tells us to stay strictly from the Gray Area.
As one of our scholars told us in Dzuma prayer: Think of the purity and purity in a cow and its milk. The cow eats grass to give it strength and nurturing and eventually it goes through the digestive system and comes out as feces. The bad is the feces. Muslims are the pure milk that comes from that grass not the feces. It is from the nurturing grass that the pure good milk comes from as well as the bad feces comes from. Just as the nurturing and love from Allah creates good Muslim beings and while the leftovers and the bad that shaytan brings provides the bad or "feces".
miss-islamic
01-04-07, 01:35 AM
You guys keep misconfusing my stance. It is not about repentance but if a CHASTE PERSON can marry one who is NOT chaste. Allah will InshAllah forgive one for their sins and as Muslims we must as well.
No, your used ayah 3:90 to say “If one is a Muslim and does bad deeds their repentance will NEVER be accepted.” Rejecting faith does not equal doing bad deeds.
But he has also INCLUSIVELY FORBIDDEN us to marry ones that are not chaste. Repentance fine but marrying a chaste to a non-chaste Allah has clearly showed
What abut my bolded-font 5-statements about how repentance is the key? Is the sheikh wrong? Apparently your not even allowed to marry the women you commited zina with until she/he repents…so repentance in issue in all this…
(again)
What the verse (24:3) means is that the one who marries a person, man or woman, who has committed zina and has not repented from that must be either a person who is not adhering to the rulings of Allaah and His Messenger,...
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This clearly indicates that it is haraam to marry a zaaniyah until she repents, or to marry a zaani until he repents, because the partnership between a man and his wife or a woman and her husband is the closest of partnerships
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Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:
Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents, whether it was he or someone else who committed zina with her. This is undoubtedly the correct view, and it is the view of a number of the earlier and later generations, including Ahmad ibn Hanbal and others.
http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=85335&ln=eng (http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=85335&ln=eng)
What worries me about the way I see everybody discussing that yes Allah will forgive you is that NOBODY mentions about how GRAVE the sin is. Instead we seem to comfort those who are guilty and state how repentance will be given (InshAllah perhaps). Now look at what garbage our youth will read and THINK about..."Hey this person committed Zina and everybody tells them to repent so hence it is neither a big sin or I can do it and seek repentance later on". There is a fine line we must draw and from just reading the Surah's (Such as 24:3 and 24:26) and the Hadeeths we can see that we have implicitly been drawn that line. Islam teaches us about the Black and White (Good and Bad) and tells us to stay strictly from the Gray Area.
Ayahs and hadeeths about how Allah (swt) is forgiving is garbage? :O
Ofcourse the sin is bad, it the 3rd worst sin in Islam and has severe consequences in this life and the next. But if it happens there is chance to repent. He does not have to confess to anyone and only ask for repentance from Allah (swt). This is the way of Islam.
What worries you is legitimate as people do actually take the stupid line of thinking. But, there is an ayah that mentions it. I don’t have it on me but it goes along the lines of how Allah is forgiving but not to those who do a sin intentionally with the idea of later repenting.
The above is also known thru logic,
God is all Knower an all Aware so He knows whose fooling him.
You can take that line of think is if you know exactly when your going to die. Nobody knows that.
It like the people say I’ll do so and so (gambling, haram bussienss e.t.c ) and then use that (HARAM) money for charity and to go to hajj ; so all my sins will be forgiven. So pathetic. As if they have an assurance they will go for hajj! BUT, that doesn’t mean we should stop telling Muslims about how hajj erases ones sins.
Maybe we should be more wise in the way we structure out answers and in books about repentance. In the book I gave a link to when somebody gave a question of homosexual and about adultery the sheikh first gave a paragraph how its haram and horrible thing to, ways to stop falling into it in the first place and then talked about the repentance. So that good, right? And when other are involved, repentance isn’t enough you have to owe up to the person it was committed against.
As one of our scholars told us in Dzuma prayer: Think of the purity and purity in a cow and its milk. The cow eats grass to give it strength and nurturing and eventually it goes through the digestive system and comes out as feces. The bad is the feces. Muslims are the pure milk that comes from that grass not the feces. It is from the nurturing grass that the pure good milk comes from as well as the bad feces comes from. Just as the nurturing and love from Allah creates good Muslim beings and while the leftovers and the bad that shaytan brings provides the bad or "feces".
Nice. Thanks for that.
p.s: what of post 59? The ayah says fornicators should get married to each other(and this is what usually happen in the Muslims world. Esp if theres a baby involved) but they use the ayah to say they can’t get married the person they committed zina with --especially if they have a baby together! It only when they repent which most of time they do –I guess-and don’t have baby then they can get married to each other…can someone please explain that?
And heres another ayah on forgiveness, :D
Think about the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning): “And those who invoke not any other god along with Allaah, nor kill such life as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse – and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. The torment shall be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; except those who repent and believe, and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [al-Furqaan 25:68-70].
Stop and think about that phrase: “… Allaah will change their sins into good deeds…” [al-Furqaan 25:70]. This will explain to you the immense grace and favour of Allaah. The scholars have defined this change as being of two types:
Changing bad characteristics into good ones, so that shirk is changed into true faith, fornication into chastity, lies into truthfulness, treachery into trustworthiness, etc.
Changing evil deeds that one has committed into good deeds on the Day of Resurrection. Think about the words “…Allaah will change their sins into good deeds…”. It does not say that one bad deed will be exchanged for a good deed (of equal weight). It could be less, the same, or more, in number or in weight. It will depend on the sincerity of the one who repents. Can you imagine any greater favour than this?
No, your used ayah 3:90 to say “If one is a Muslim and does bad deeds their repentance will NEVER be accepted.” Rejecting faith does not equal doing bad deeds.
Rejecting faith is THE WORST DEED one can do. One doing bad deeds is like one turning his back on Allah do you not agree with this? Hence one who does bad deeds is like one who rejects his faith. A Muslim is one who is aware that he is a Muslim. It is his duty to learn about Islam and increase the ever loving guidance in his heart. It is his responsibility to not stray away from the right path. If a Muslim as a child learned about Islam and later made the choice to forget his teachings and have fun in his teen years and commit Zina or whatever other foul deeds such as drugs pot etc....it is clearly his own fault for he fell into shaytans temptation instead of following the right path. What is even WORSE is that he disobeyed his own parents (another sin) and did something that they would NOT approve of. Hence why Allah clearly stated:
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." 3:90.
How can you argue what is clearly and implicitly stated in the Qur'an?
What abut my bolded-font 5-statements about how repentance is the key? Is the sheikh wrong? Apparently your not even allowed to marry the women you commited zina with until she/he repents…so repentance in issue in all this…
(again)
Again repentance is not an issue. A chaste person should marry a chaste person just as Allah has stated CLEARLY and IMPLICITLY in the Qur'an. Are you saying that what the Sheikh states is above Allah? Subhanallah.
Ayahs and hadeeths about how Allah (swt) is forgiving is garbage? :O
Ofcourse the sin is bad, it the 3rd worst sin in Islam and has severe consequences in this life and the next. But if it happens there is chance to repent. He does not have to confess to anyone and only ask for repentance from Allah (swt). This is the way of Islam.
What worries you is legitimate as people do actually take the stupid line of thinking. But, there is an ayah that mentions it. I don’t have it on me but it goes along the lines of how Allah is forgiving but not to those who do a sin intentionally with the idea of later repenting.
The above is also known thru logic,
God is all Knower an all Aware so He knows whose fooling him.
You can take that line of think is if you know exactly when your going to die. Nobody knows that.
It like the people say I’ll do so and so (gambling, haram bussienss e.t.c ) and then use that (HARAM) money for charity and to go to hajj ; so all my sins will be forgiven. So pathetic. As if they have an assurance they will go for hajj! BUT, that doesn’t mean we should stop telling Muslims about how hajj erases ones sins.
Maybe we should be more wise in the way we structure out answers and in books about repentance. In the book I gave a link to when somebody gave a question of homosexual and about adultery the sheikh first gave a paragraph how its haram and horrible thing to, ways to stop falling into it in the first place and then talked about the repentance. So that good, right? And when other are involved, repentance isn’t enough you have to owe up to the person it was committed against.
No I did not state the hadeeths or ayats are garbage subhanallah never. What I do mean by this is the clear implication of telling one that they will be forgiven. We are NOT the catholic church here...we don't go to "fathers and ask for forgiveness". NOBODY KNOWS if Allah will or will not forgive them. Hence we cannot say that their sins have been cleaned in this life. Only in the next. Hence why the Qur'an clearly states "THOSE GUILTY OF". One who is guilty of will be guilty of until they find out in the afterlife if their repentance has been accepted. Subhanallah what is a chaste man marries a chaste woman and she repented but Allah did not grant her repentance in the afterlife? The chaste man would clearly be going against Allah's orders and he might face Allah's punishment for his defiance in the next life (Key word Might we don't know Allah knows what we do not after all).
Think of it as this way...if we tell one not to do something and it is ok because they repent it is HUMAN Nature for humans to not take the weight of the punishment as harshly. If we are more strict and preach about the haram and not doing the haram (As our Beloved Prophet SAWS did) then we will teach our brothers and sisters not to do it and less people will do it. Look at it this way. Shariah law in Saudi Arabia in regards to theft. There is LESS theft in Saudia Arabia than in any of the western countries...why? Because there is a severe punishment. Allah has made a severe punishment (both in this and in the next life) for even Zina. Why then should we not BE strict when it comes to these values? Yes there is hope for repentance but Allah also clearly states for the chaste to stay away from the chaste. It is IMPLICIT there is no other Surah or Ayat that can refute what Allah has stated..."THOSE GUILTY OF". If their repentance is accepted is another story and can only be known in the next life and they should work towards their repentance but in this life the chaste and good do not know and hence why it is better for them to abstain from marrying "THOSE GUILTY OF" such a sin since it would be a sin of our own to marry somebody like that.
Nice. Thanks for that.
p.s: what of post 59? The ayah says fornicators should get married to each other(and this is what usually happen in the Muslims world. Esp if theres a baby involved) but they use the ayah to say they can’t get married the person they committed zina with --especially if they have a baby together! It only when they repent which most of time they do –I guess-and don’t have baby then they can get married to each other…can someone please explain that?
And heres another ayah on forgiveness, :D
Allah states those who are guilty. I believe that quote you gave is when one repented but the other did not?
Also again read the above long statement I made. Forgiveness is a fact that we must give but again we have restrictions on who we can marry in this life since Allah clearly states "THOSE GUILTY OF" and we cannot know if a repentee's repetance has been accepted by Allah in this world hence it is better for the chaste to stay away. Think of it this way...how would a chaste person feeling knowing that their husband/wife had a "wild time" with another man before them? It is not a healthy marriage and it is not good for our Iman. Shaytan has too much room to play with our feelings. And Allah hates divorce and it should be the last option. So why play around with something (faith, Allah's words, your own sanity) that will most likely be hard for one person as they are not equal to each other?
And a quote for you in regards to good deeds and repentance:
"Do good deeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_deeds&action=edit) properly, sincerely and moderately, and rejoice, for no one's good deeds will put him in Paradise." The Companions (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Companions&action=edit) asked, "Not even you O Messenger of Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)?" He replied, "Not even me unless Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah) bestows His pardon and mercy on me".[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#_note-r6)
Again it is not guaranteed that Allah will accept your repentance no matter what. It is his choice for as he even told his angels "Ye know not what he knows". What we as Muslims must do is follow the words from the Qur'an and it tells us implicity to stay away from "THOSE GUILTY OF" such acts and for the "Chaste for the Chaste, the Good for the Good, The Bad for the Bad" etc. etc...
May Allah grant us all wisdom and forgive all of our sins and guide us closer to his ever loving grace and path. Amin.
Abu Baraa
02-04-07, 07:13 PM
Developing trust is difficult for a man, and when he finally does trust,and that trust is betrayed, he may lock himself in a vault of silence and never come out. Trust is hard enough to win but if you give a man a cause to doubt you, it may be hard to win him back.But the foremost thing is to always place your trust in Allah and practise al wala wal baraa sincerly. My naseeya to the sisters is please whenever you happen to meet a Muwahid brother who is in intrested in you, please be true with him and don't play games and try considering his feelings or see it this way what if it was me! that this happend to how would i feel? i have a strong belief that you can always deal with people in a polite and easy going way. It's unfortunate really, cause we all have differences some are strong in deen and some are weak in deen despite the way they are, they all are from Ahlul Sunna wal jamaa'ah.:up:
Developing trust is difficult for a man, and when he finally does trust,and that trust is betrayed, he may lock himself in a vault of silence and never come out. Trust is hard enough to win but if you give a man a cause to doubt you, it may be hard to win him back.But the foremost thing is to always place your trust in Allah and practise al wala wal baraa sincerly. My naseeya to the sisters is please whenever you happen to meet a Muwahid brother who is in intrested in you, please be true with him and don't play games and try considering his feelings or see it this way what if it was me! that this happend to how would i feel? i have a strong belief that you can always deal with people in a polite and easy going way. It's unfortunate really, cause we all have differences some are strong in deen and some are weak in deen despite the way they are, they all are from Ahlul Sunna wal jamaa'ah.:up:
:up::up::up::up:
miss-islamic
02-04-07, 10:36 PM
^ ^Why is it always about guys? It common knowledge that men mess around more than women. In my family studies book last year (NOT some random prop-a-ganda article by feminists) it said the 65% of men cheat on their wife while only 18 %(maybe it was lower) women do. Uh, what was it you were saying about trust? :rolleyes:
Rejecting faith is THE WORST DEED one can do. One doing bad deeds is like one turning his back on Allah do you not agree with this? Hence one who does bad deeds is like one who rejects his faith. A Muslim is one who is aware that he is a Muslim. It is his duty to learn about Islam and increase the ever loving guidance in his heart. It is his responsibility to not stray away from the right path. If a Muslim as a child learned about Islam and later made the choice to forget his teachings and have fun in his teen years and commit Zina or whatever other foul deeds such as drugs pot etc....it is clearly his own fault for he fell into shaytans temptation instead of following the right path. What is even WORSE is that he disobeyed his own parents (another sin) and did something that they would NOT approve of. Hence why Allah clearly stated:"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray." 3:90.How can you argue what is clearly and implicitly stated in the Qur'an?
it is clearly his own fault for he fell into shaytans temptation instead of following the right path
yes but there is a chance of repenting and amending.
Yes rejecting faith is the worst deed but the ayah 3:90 is speaking of rejecting faith not doing bad deeds like adultry, murder theft e.t.c. Such things do not take you out of Islam as I already explained in post 56. Believing otherwise is kharwaji way of thinking. The belief is really dangerous because if you continue to take that line of those who do bad deeds are rejecting faith (and 3:09 is speaking to them i.e there no chance of repentance and it wont be accepted) mean then he is an apostate and that means in accordance with Islamic law (according to some Muslims) we are to kill them. That would mean 99.9% Muslim in the world are apostates and should be killed because we all do some form of “bad deeds” (music, back biting, swearing, not praying on time, e.t.c). Who gets to pick which bad deeds are “rejecting faith” and “repentance is never accepted” worthy?
Again repentance is not an issue. A chaste person should marry a chaste person just as Allah has stated CLEARLY and IMPLICITLY in the Qur'an. Are you saying that what the Sheikh states is above Allah? Subhanallah.
No..but when you read something you don’t understand you asked somebody who is knowledge in the subject for explanation i.e in this case a religious scholar. And the answer was “Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents”.
No I did not state the hadeeths or ayats are garbage subhanallah never. What I do mean by this is the clear implication of telling one that they will be forgiven. We are NOT the catholic church here...we don't go to "fathers and ask for forgiveness". NOBODY KNOWS if Allah will or will not forgive them. Hence we cannot say that their sins have been cleaned in this life. Only in the next. Hence why the Qur'an clearly states "THOSE GUILTY OF". One who is guilty of will be guilty of until they find out in the afterlife if their repentance has been accepted. Subhanallah what is a chaste man marries a chaste woman and she repented but Allah did not grant her repentance in the afterlife? The chaste man would clearly be going against Allah's orders and he might face Allah's punishment for his defiance in the next life (Key word Might we don't know Allah knows what we do not after all
Na-uh. you really need to read the book “I want to repent, but..” (http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/i_want_to_repent_but/index.htm) read the “Will Allah forgive me.” part.
And bad deed can change into a good one, ex: fornication into chastity. do you even read my quotes on forgiveness? :(
Stop and think about that phrase: “… Allaah will change their sins into good deeds…” [al-Furqaan 25:70]. This will explain to you the immense grace and favour of Allaah. The scholars have defined this change as being of two types:
Changing bad characteristics into good ones, so that shirk is changed into true faith, fornication into chastity, lies into truthfulness, treachery into trustworthiness, etc.
Changing evil deeds that one has committed into good deeds on the Day of Resurrection.
And,
but in this life the chaste and good do not know and hence why it is better for them to abstain from marrying "THOSE GUILTY OF" such a sin since it would be a sin of our own to marry somebody like that.
Okay tell me what is the person who committed fornication in their jahillyat time suppose to do? Who are they suppose to marry? The one they committed fornication with?
And,
So good deeds release the sinner from the prison of disobedience, and bring him forth into the brave new world of obedience to Allaah. Ibn Mas’ood said: “A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: ‘O Messenger of Allaah, I found a woman in a garden and I did everything with her (kissing and fondling) except that (intercourse), so do with me as you will.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not say anything, and the man went away. ‘Umar said: ‘Allaah covered his sin. He should have covered it himself.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) followed the man with his gaze and said: ‘Bring him back to me.’ So they brought him back, and (the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recited to him: ‘And perform al-salaah (prayer) at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night. Verily, the good deeds remove the evil deeds (i.e., small sins). That is a reminder for the mindful (those who accept advice)’ [Hood 11:114 – interpretation of the meaning].” According to the report narrated by ‘Umar, Mu’aadh said: “O Messenger of Allaah, is this just for him or does it apply to all the people?” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No, it applies to all the people.” (Reported by Muslim)
Allah states those who are guilty. I believe that quote you gave is when one repented but the other did not?
Yes…” Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents, whether it was he or someone else who committed zina with her.”So though the quran says fornicators should get married the sheik uses the ayah to say that the man can’t marry the women he committed zina with until they both repent. And he can’t marry her is theres a baby involved. And all this time I was think pregnancy could be a determent for fornication for women and having “illegal” baby and fathering him for men. Basically you can’t cover the affair according to the sheiks– though this is how its done the Muslim world.
Anyhow, the islamq/a site has bad habit of making ludicrous and callous stamens in it answers and saying them as if the it’s the most normalness thing in the world Islamically and practically speaking. Like the one how it best for innocents who are found committing a homosexuality to be killed (ex: a child sex-slave) because of the hadded/quranic ayah”kill/punish them both”. But it no big deal because he will become shaeed.
Think of it this way...how would a chaste person feeling knowing that their husband/wife had a "wild time" with another man before them? It is not a healthy marriage and it is not good for our Iman. Shaytan has too much room to play with our feelings. And Allah hates divorce and it should be the last option. So why play around with something (faith, Allah's words, your own sanity) that will most likely be hard for one person as they are not equal to each other?
Brother, there are people (usually women) who continue to live with spouses who commit zina whilst in marriage. or how about a women accepting their man to have a wild time with another women who is usually more younger and beautiful than her in the case of polygny? :D
eh, the general rule in Islam is that you don’t expose sins and you allowed interrogating your potential souse or anybody else for theirs. If you see him/her being a good Muslim, a reformed person (hence why you thought of them as a possible spouse most probably) it doesn’t matter about the past.*
You can’t tell if man is not a virgin so men play around more that women. And these same guys say they would never marry a virgin themselves and would not like it or kill their womenfolk if they looked a men twice for the sake of “honour” and all that shiz. Its another issue the long list of male-hypocritical-ego problems (don’t make me go all feministy on you. :D).
But in these issue you usually see the guy having the dilemma of a leaving a non-vrigin or the “ imagine how would he feel!!!!!!” because you can tell. In Islam, technically the man is allowed to send her back and get his mahr when he finds out but (if he finds she has truly repented) it best and will get rewarded if he keeps her.
Those who don’t and make a big deal about it are the same people who think its every muslin man birthright to breaking a women hymen. Ofcourse it escapes them the first wife of the prophet, khadlijah ® was a twice divorcee and except for aisha® the rest were also non-virgins too. and how about converts? They may have had a wide time with another man before becoming Muslim, does that mean you wouldn’t take a divorce, widow, non-virgin coverts as a wife? Is it really about the ayah in the quran and her committing a zina unlawfully? And even if it is, those who repent it is like there is no sin on him and we shouldn’t hassle them or be bothered about it (tho, admittedly it is really hard to do). Really now, do people really ask their potential spouse “are you a virgin? I don’t think most people do….I just wish those women find somebody better than some self-righteous-male-ego freak. Allah (swt) is only Merciful and Forgiving to those who are merciful and forgiving. you except Allah(swt) forgive you but you don’t have that in for your own Muslim bro/sis? Are you some saint? If you are, do remember my old quote in my signature “every saint has a past and every sinner a future.”another point is the in Islam forgiveness for a murder by the victim family is probable and it happens. Point is there are worst crimes than fornication (murder, sexual abuse, rape) and they can be forgiven. In Afghanistan sometimes because of the ayah on fornicators marrying each other victims of rapist marry their rapists. :I Im sure marry one who had repented and reformed is tad bit more easier. Infact it should be a point of inspiration. People do change. We see it everyday with converts, don’t we?
*Tho if he was some man-hore, going to the doctors and taking a test is necessary. both should do the test just to be relieved.
"Do good deeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Good_deeds&action=edit) properly, sincerely and moderately, and rejoice, for no one's good deeds will put him in Paradise." The Companions (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Companions&action=edit) asked, "Not even you O Messenger of Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)?" He replied, "Not even me unless Allah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah) bestows His pardon and mercy on me".[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin#_note-r6)
Niiiice. Jazakallahu khairun. Your are correct that its same with doing bad deeds i.e about Allah (swt) mercy BUT we are to be hopeful. Read the “will Allah forgive me” and the quotes I posted before. Believe your repentance is not accepted is a sign of weak iman and “deparing of allah mercy” is a sin. Read the “past sins haunt me “ part.
for those who find it hard to comprehend how Allaah may forgive such an accumulation of sin, we quote the following hadeeth:But you can look at your past with hope: the hope that Allaah will forgive you. Do not despair of the mercy of Allaah, for He says (interpretation of the meaning): “And who despairs of the Mercy of his Lord except those who are astray?” [al-Hijr 15:56]
Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “The gravest of major sins are to associate partners with Allaah, to feel secure against the plan of Allaah and to despair of the mercy of Allaah. (Reported by ‘Abd al-Razzaaq and classed as saheeh by al-Haythami and Ibn Katheer).
Think of it as this way...if we tell one not to do something and it is ok because they repent it is HUMAN Nature for humans to not take the weight of the punishment as harshly. If we are more strict and preach about the haram and not doing the haram (As our Beloved Prophet SAWS did) then we will teach our brothers and sisters not to do it and less people will do it.
As I already said you have a point there esp in our society where the sin so rampant and easy to commit. But once the deed happens them we should tell to go ask for repentance and amend asap and saying that is not garbage. Btw, not talking about Allah mercy and forgiveness also its leads to people think “what the point in stopping sinning and being a good Muslim because its too late god wont accepts after all I’v done.” we should not deter them and tell them of the many ayahs and hadeeths on Allah(swt) accepting true repentances. You know about the guy who kills 100 men and will be forgiven by God? Its all about repentance. From the book, (im sorry but I just re-read the book as few days ago so the info is stuck with me. Make a lot of good points that you seem to be ignoring)
May Allah grant us all wisdom and forgive all of our sins and guide us closer to his ever loving grace and path. Amin.
Ameen.
P.S:
What worries you is legitimate as people do actually take the stupid line of thinking. But, there is an ayah that mentions it. I don’t have it on me but it goes along the lines of how Allah is forgiving but not to those who do a sin intentionally with the idea of later repenting.
Eh, im so stupid the ayah is right after the ayah on homosexuality (4:16) that I posted before,
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YUSUFALI: Allah accept the repentance of those who do evil in ignorance and repent soon afterwards; to them will Allah turn in mercy: For Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom.
PICKTHAL: Forgiveness is only incumbent on Allah toward those who do evil in ignorance (and) then turn quickly (in repentance) to Allah. These are they toward whom Allah relenteth. Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: Repentance with Allah is only for those who do evil in ignorance, then turn (to Allah) soon, so these it is to whom Allah turns (mercifully), and Allah is ever Knowing, Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until death faces one of them, and he says, "Now have I repented indeed;" nor of those who die rejecting Faith: for them have We prepared a punishment most grievous.
PICKTHAL: The forgiveness is not for those who do ill-deeds until, when death attendeth upon one of them, he saith: Lo! I repent now; nor yet for those who die while they are disbelievers. For such We have prepared a painful doom.
SHAKIR: And repentance is not for those who go on doing evil deeds, until when death comes to one of them, he says: Surely now I repent; nor (for) those who die while they are unbelievers. These are they for whom We have prepared a painful chastisement
^ ^Why is it always about guys? It common knowledge that men mess around more than women. In my family studies book last year (NOT some random prop-a-ganda article by feminists) it said the 65% of men cheat on their wife while only 18 %(maybe it was lower) women do. Uh, what was it you were saying about trust? :rolleyes:
True and True. Lets discuss it both ways then because there IS NO DIFFERENCE. It is forbidden either wya.
yes but there is a chance of repenting and amending.
Yes rejecting faith is the worst deed but the ayah 3:90 is speaking of rejecting faith not doing bad deeds like adultry, murder theft e.t.c. Such things do not take you out of Islam as I already explained in post 56. Believing otherwise is kharwaji way of thinking. The belief is really dangerous because if you continue to take that line of those who do bad deeds are rejecting faith (and 3:09 is speaking to them i.e there no chance of repentance and it wont be accepted) mean then he is an apostate and that means in accordance with Islamic law (according to some Muslims) we are to kill them. That would mean 99.9% Muslim in the world are apostates and should be killed because we all do some form of “bad deeds” (music, back biting, swearing, not praying on time, e.t.c). Who gets to pick which bad deeds are “rejecting faith” and “repentance is never accepted” worthy?
Allah gets to decide. We do not know if their repentance will or not be accepted. Again we do not know Allah does. We must hope that it does but just as eating Pork Allah has forbidden the chaste to marry the non-chaste. No where does it after Surah Al-Noor Ayat 3 say unless they repent. The statement is IMPLICIT.
No..but when you read something you don’t understand you asked somebody who is knowledge in the subject for explanation i.e in this case a religious scholar. And the answer was “Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents”.
Na-uh. you really need to read the book “I want to repent, but..” (http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/books/i_want_to_repent_but/index.htm) read the “Will Allah forgive me.” part.
And bad deed can change into a good one, ex: fornication into chastity. do you even read my quotes on forgiveness? :(
Again It is IMPLICITY STATED IN THE Qur'an:
24:3 Let no man guilty of Adultery or fornication marry Any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: Nor let any but such a woman or an unebliever Marry such a man. To the Believers such a thing is forbidden. (2957)
2957: Islam commands sex purity, for men and for women, at all times -- before marriage, during amrriage and after the disoslution of mariage. Those guilty of illicit practices are shut out of the marriage circle of chaste men and women.
24:26 Women impure are for men impure, and men impure for women impure, and women of purity are for men of purity and men of purity are for women of purtity: These are not affectged By what people say: (2978) For them there is forgiveness and a provision honorable (2979).
2978: The pure consort with the pure, and the impure with the impure. If the impure, out of the impurity of their thoughts, or imaginations, impute any evil to the pure, the pure are not affected by it, but they should avoid all occasions for random talk.
2979: Forgivenss for any indescriotion with they may have innocently commited, and spirtual provisions of protection against the assaults of Evil. It is also meant that the more evil ones attempt to defame or slander them, the more triumphantly will they be vindicated and provided with teh physical and moral good which will advance their real life.
This means no Hadeeth and no Fatwa by a scholar can nullify what the Qur'an Implicitly states. Allah may or may not forgive them but that is in the next world and we do not know it. Hence why the chaste are for the chaste. If you can find one Ayat in the Qur'an that allows the chaste to marry the non-chaste then show it please.
Okay tell me what is the person who committed fornication in their jahillyat time suppose to do? Who are they suppose to marry? The one they committed fornication with?
Simple they marry somebody with a similar background or guilt as stated in the Ayat. For believers who have not done this...it is forbidden.
Yes…” Marriage to a zaaniyah is haraam unless she repents, whether it was he or someone else who committed zina with her.”So though the quran says fornicators should get married the sheik uses the ayah to say that the man can’t marry the women he committed zina with until they both repent. And he can’t marry her is theres a baby involved. And all this time I was think pregnancy could be a determent for fornication for women and having “illegal” baby and fathering him for men. Basically you can’t cover the affair according to the sheiks– though this is how its done the Muslim world.
Anyhow, the islamq/a site has bad habit of making ludicrous and callous stamens in it answers and saying them as if the it’s the most normalness thing in the world Islamically and practically speaking. Like the one how it best for innocents who are found committing a homosexuality to be killed (ex: a child sex-slave) because of the hadded/quranic ayah”kill/punish them both”. But it no big deal because he will become shaeed.
Again Hadeeths and Fatwas are NOT greater than what Allah has CLEARLY and IMPLICITLY stated in the Qur'an. Can you give me the name of the sheikh who is giving out the fatwas?
Brother, there are people (usually women) who continue to live with spouses who commit zina whilst in marriage. or how about a women accepting their man to have a wild time with another women who is usually more younger and beautiful than her in the case of polygny? :D
Allah has allowed polygamy. One cannot argue that that is haram (although my own personal belief is one woman). To say this is blasphamy as our own beloved Prophet (SAWS) had more than one wife.
eh, the general rule in Islam is that you don’t expose sins and you allowed interrogating your potential souse or anybody else for theirs. If you see him/her being a good Muslim, a reformed person (hence why you thought of them as a possible spouse most probably) it doesn’t matter about the past.*
You can’t tell if man is not a virgin so men play around more that women. And these same guys say they would never marry a virgin themselves and would not like it or kill their womenfolk if they looked a men twice for the sake of “honour” and all that shiz. Its another issue the long list of male-hypocritical-ego problems (don’t make me go all feministy on you. :D).
Yes that is a problem and those men who hide their sins form their spouse will eventually get what's coming to them in the next life as it is forbidden for them to marry a chaste woman. You'd be suprised how much I hate those type of men as they are nothing but players and hypocrites. But also "it takes two to tango" and you can't just blame the man for getting into the affair with the women. Both are of Similar guilt. If they repent may Allah accept their repentance but their choice to commit such acts was their own choice and because of it they are forbidden to marry the chaste as Allah has implicitly stated.
But in these issue you usually see the guy having the dilemma of a leaving a non-vrigin or the “ imagine how would he feel!!!!!!” because you can tell. In Islam, technically the man is allowed to send her back and get his mahr when he finds out but (if he finds she has truly repented) it best and will get rewarded if he keeps her.
Allah nor does our Prophet nowhere EVER EVER EVER state that the man will be rewarded. Another thing is that the woman then lied to him throughout. Why would he want to be with a liar?
Those who don’t and make a big deal about it are the same people who think its every muslin man birthright to breaking a women hymen. Ofcourse it escapes them the first wife of the prophet, khadlijah ® was a twice divorcee and except for aisha® the rest were also non-virgins too. and how about converts? They may have had a wide time with another man before becoming Muslim, does that mean you wouldn’t take a divorce, widow, non-virgin coverts as a wife? Is it really about the ayah in the quran and her committing a zina unlawfully? And even if it is, those who repent it is like there is no sin on him and we shouldn’t hassle them or be bothered about it (tho, admittedly it is really hard to do).
Converts start off with a clean state. Just as the Companions had all of their slates clean after they converted into Islam. What I am talking about those who knew they were Muslims (practicing or non-practicing you are still part of the Ummah) and committing such an act. This is becoming the problem in our Ummah and it is a disease that is spreading.
Also YOU CANNOT state that Khadija (Peace be upon her) and the Prophet's (SAWS) wives were fornicators because they were non-virgins. Their marriages prior were halal and they remained chaste even if they did divorce. Also all of the first Muslims converted away from Idolatry and they started out with a clean slate. There is a big difference betwen a chaste woman and a fornicator who performed sexual misconduct outside of marriage. There is a BIG difference between Halal and Haram. We are again not talking about virginity but about chastitiy. It is fordbidden implicitly in the Qur'an to marry one who is guilty of fornification as stated in the Surah's mentiond above and one should look at marrying another of similar guilt.
Yes those who repent are like without sin but that is IF Allah accepts their repentance. InshAllah he will but we do not know. Hence why the Qur'an IMPLICITLY states "Those Guilty of" because they will remain guilty until the next world. The ones that did do the deed must live their life thinking Allah will forgive them and do good deeds for it.
Really now, do people really ask their potential spouse “are you a virgin? I don’t think most people do….I just wish those women find somebody better than some self-righteous-male-ego freak. Allah (swt) is only Merciful and Forgiving to those who are merciful and forgiving. you except Allah(swt) forgive you but you don’t have that in for your own Muslim bro/sis? Are you some saint? If you are, do remember my old quote in my signature “every saint has a past and every sinner a future.”another point is the in Islam forgiveness for a murder by the victim family is probable and it happens. Point is there are worst crimes than fornication (murder, sexual abuse, rape) and they can be forgiven. In Afghanistan sometimes because of the ayah on fornicators marrying each other victims of rapist marry their rapists. :I Im sure marry one who had repented and reformed is tad bit more easier. Infact it should be a point of inspiration. People do change. We see it everyday with converts, don’t we?
You as a person can forgive but it is not their place to have to live with it. It isn't about Ego it is about it being forbidden IMPLICITLY in the Qur'an. You also fail to take the situation of what if the potential spouse tells their future husband? For a women it is not like something that they can hide. If he finds out on the first night shame on her. She lied to him and used a good brother that entire time to coax him into a marriage under false pretense. That is a big lie and deceitful. A man who does the same is much worse as he can hide his shame.
How can you justify a marriage that was based on lies and deceit from the very begining?
Again it isn't about forgiving our Bros/Sisters. I am not sure where you are getting this idea again and again. I forgive them and MashAllah that they found their way back to the right path. But the choices they make also have consequences in this life and in the next. Allah has forbidden them and the chaste from marrying IMPLICITLY and he has also set down a punishment in this life and in the next. If they repent he may or may not (InshAllah I pray to Allah that he forgives all of our sins) forgive them it is only Allahs knowledge. But in this life they are guilty of the act and hence there is a punishment both physically and marriage wise there is a limit to whom you can marry.
Sorry I'm not a Chrstian and I don't believe in Sainthood nor do I call myself a Saint. I am just a Muslim who is trying to practice his religion as best as he could and May Allah forgive me and everybody for their own past sins. Amin.
Again yes you can forgive them but tell me...which family member would want to live with the murderer? They can forgive them and leave it at that but who would live with that person. Again I'm sure that the victims would not want to marry the rapist and Afghanistan is strict and forcing on certain issues that may or may not be Halal. Afghanis also have other cultural things that would amaze you at how UnIslamic it is. Fondling/Intercourse of young boys ring an issue? And then they repent afterwards thinking everything is ok.
Again a Convert and a Muslim who committed the act is different. The convert starts off with a clean slate. A Muslim's repentance is not automatically accepted. That is something that they will find out in the next life. Their choice to do what they did is their own choice. They could have said no and walked away. Nobody forced them into an illicit affair. They knew of the sin. Elhamdulillah that they changed but Allah has IMPLICITLY forbidden us throught he Qur'an from marrying.
Personally speaking:
Again I can forgive but as a chaste person I don't want to live with that. It would haunt me my entire life knowing that I fought away from temptations such as this while my future wife had a wild time with somebody else just doesn't seem air or fly with me. On a personal level I want a Muslimah who has been good and fought off her temptations and kept her chastitiy just as I have. The similar person for the similar person. Why should I torture myself in marriage over something such as this when Allah has forbiden it IMPLICITLY and CLEARLY! It is not a healthy marriage and I believe the chaste should remain with the chaste and those who repent May Allah reward them a million times again and again for they stopped their evil ways. But they should also look at marrying those who did the same or even those who married before and would not have a problem with it. There is no reason why they should look towards marrying somebody who is chaste because 1) The people are on totally different levels and standards, 2) Even our Prophet encouraged us to marry virgin women, 3) It is not going to be a healthy marriage no matter how much you love that person it WILL at some point eat you inside knowing that you were their only one and they were not, 4) A marriage such as this is unequal and hence gives Shaytan greater power to corrupt it. Think of the psycological issues that one would have. Think...if a Muslimah or a Muslim who commited such an act did this before...what is there from stopping them from committing the act such as Adultery as it falls under the same category. Could you live with he knowledge? Could you live with somebody who lies to you (if they decided not to tell you at all or late