Muslimahs - random questions from a kaffir

[UnoDosTres]

So a couple of odds & ends kind of questions.

I'm in the process of renovating a house and getting ready to sell it. The other day I'm working outside and I see one of the neighbors pull up to their drive way. I'm not sure if it was a Niqaab or whatever (I don't know the different levels of "coverage"), but all I could see was her eyes.

The question here is:
Knowing about the mahram requirement, would it be polite for me to wave or whatever? I'm not talking about a conversation or what-not, just a friendly hello wave from across the street.



On a non-related note, I've never seen a Muslimah with a veil also wearing sunglasses. Is there anything to that?

Thanks

[Nazias]

So a couple of odds & ends kind of questions.

I'm in the process of renovating a house and getting ready to sell it. The other day I'm working outside and I see one of the neighbors pull up to their drive way. I'm not sure if it was a Niqaab or whatever (I don't know the different levels of "coverage"), but all I could see was her eyes.

The question here is:
Knowing about the mahram requirement, would it be polite for me to wave or whatever? I'm not talking about a conversation or what-not, just a friendly hello wave from across the street.

On a non-related note, I've never seen a Muslimah with a veil also wearing sunglasses. Is there anything to that?

Thanks

Yes that is a niqab and I see no issue in being polite to one another regardless of the level in which one covers, even if their mahram in not around and all your doing is saying hi.

The reason people do not wear the two together is because it would look stupid! :D

[Al-Irhaab]

Naturally, you are likely to receive 100 different views on this.

Here is my two cents.

I do not believe the niqaab has any place in traditional Islam, but I will accept the right in a free society for women to choose to wear such a garment (if it were my nation I would ban the niqaab). Anyhow, I think even given this 'unique' interpretation of Islam, I think a wave would be no problem.

The command to be kind and know one's neighbour is one of the most important aspects of Islam with respect to interpersonal relations. If they are not fulfilling their obligations by being kind to you, that is their downfall in their relgion. I would say there would be nothing kinder then a wave.

Secondly, I would just like to applaud your tolerance, for posing the question in such a kind and thoughtful manner, may God bless you!

a womans kindness is not neccessarily shown on her male neigbour... the woman who is mashallah wearing a niqaab which has a place in authentic islam perhaps not the twisted modernism that you follow... hence i doubt she would want to speak or communicate with her man...

unos.. best way to be polite is wait for the husband to come home... send some chocholates or something and theyl send some back and u get into good communication with each other... :D

[Chained_Water]

Aww well I think it's nice that you are polite to your neighbours like that.

But just don't be offended if she doesn't wave back, she might feel it's not appropriate or get embarrassed or something.. She may not, she may just wave back or say hello.. but if she doesn't respond, it will not be because she means to be rude or ignore you.. it would be 'cuz she feels uncomfortable or inappropriate in waving back or whatever..

[neelu]

Unos, you can wave if you want but bear in mind that a significant proportion of practising Muslims avoid any interaction with members of the opposite gender to whom they're not related. In which case, if the woman fits into that category, don't get offended if she wont respond. If the woman does not fit into that category, she might view it as harmless and wave back to be polite. There is also the 3rd category of muslims who will interact normally with you if they're on their own, but pretend they don't recognise you if they're with relatives or certain people in the community. This is because they know that if they respond to you in the presence of certain people- that in itself can ignite nasty rumours and gossip.

[.: Anna :.]

yes... but start it in a new thread though if u do want 2 post it.

anyway i think the best suggestion was the one from al irhab wait til the husband or man of the house comes and then go over and be neighbourly like welcome them and give a gift or whatever. this will not make the woman feel uncomfy, and at the same time u are doing neighbourly behaviour so its the ideal solution

[.: Anna :.]

okay i moved all the stuff on that topic

so use this thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117240

dont keep it in this one. lets be tidy please

[Nazias]

okay i moved all the stuff on that topic

so use this thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117240

dont keep it in this one. lets be tidy please

:scratch: i did wonder what happened! I thought i was going :wacko:

[ghanamuslima]

there's nothing wrong with being neighbourly, and there are lots of niqaabi sisters who wear glasses

[Nazias]

there's nothing wrong with being neighbourly, and there are lots of niqaabi sisters who wear glasses

Just to clarify I meant no offence and i was talking about sunglasses as that was what he stated :o

[UnoDosTres]

yes... but start it in a new thread though if u do want 2 post it.

anyway i think the best suggestion was the one from al irhab wait til the husband or man of the house comes and then go over and be neighbourly like welcome them and give a gift or whatever. this will not make the woman feel uncomfy, and at the same time u are doing neighbourly behaviour so its the ideal solution

To be fair, I'm not thinking of being that neighborly. More like polite to the neighbors if I see them outside. Maybe if I was actually planning to move there I would do that, but all I'm doing at this point is trying to sell an empty house as I am done remodeling it.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll err on the side of not waving unless I see a guy around too.

Ps. As for sunglasses not being stylish, all I have to say is "Stylish Schmylish." It is bright here!

[$HugoBoss$]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.

[.: Anna :.]

quote=UnoDosTres;1717811]To be fair, I'm not thinking of being that neighborly. More like polite to the neighbors if I see them outside. Maybe if I was actually planning to move there I would do that, but all I'm doing at this point is trying to sell an empty house as I am done remodeling it.

[/quote]ooh, in that case i guess u dnt really need 2 do nething

[Nazias]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.

Insha'allah, that was probably just a one off! When brothers salam (though) rarely) I always reply, it would be rude and agianst the sunnah not to.

[Umm 'Umarah]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.

Don't say Salaam, give Salaams to Muslims brothers instead.

[Nazias]

Don't say Salaam, give Salaams to Muslims brothers instead.

He did it out of respect as it was a fellow Muslim :scratch: why souldn't he?

[Ruprecht]

Hmm... I say G'day to everyone, always give everyone about me the once over and frequently make eye contact, especially when I'm communicating.

I don't try and start conversations with everyone though.

Then again. I can't say I encounter a lot of niqaabis.

I did see one once...
"Oooh, look. It's one of them muzlems, like on the news! G'day love, how's it hanging?". :D

[Abu Hurairah]

a womans kindness is not neccessarily shown on her male neigbour... the woman who is mashallah wearing a niqaab which has a place in authentic islam perhaps not the twisted modernism that you follow... hence i doubt she would want to speak or communicate with her man...

unos.. best way to be polite is wait for the husband to come home... send some chocholates or something and theyl send some back and u get into good communication with each other... :D
Masha'allah na'am totally agree. :up:
He did it out of respect as it was a fellow Muslim :scratch: why souldn't he?
He, I, and all brothers should lower our gaze and let a Muslimah pass without communicating to her unless their is an immediate dire need to do so, this is out of hayyah and giving the sister respect in observing hijaab.

It saves embarassment for both, avoids unecessary speach, and stop the Shaytan being able to intervene between the two, and the hassling of a non-Mahram.

So all round masha'allah the Ukthy who did not reply and moved swiftly on was correct here- far from being rude she was polite and the more respectful of the dean fearing Allah (swt).

[Abu Hurairah]

Hmm... I say G'day to everyone, always give everyone about me the once over and frequently make eye contact, especially when I'm communicating.

I don't try and start conversations with everyone though.

Then again. I can't say I encounter a lot of niqaabis.

I did see one once...
"Oooh, look. It's one of them muzlems, like on the news! G'day love, how's it hanging?". :D
Tell me you really didn't say that dude! :eek:

[Ruprecht]

Tell me you really didn't say that dude! :eek:

Hah. Don't worry man, I'm not that clueless. :D

I do only remember seeing the one niqaabi though.

[Umm 'Umarah]

Masha'allah na'am totally agree. :up:

He, I, and all brothers should lower our gaze and let a Muslimah pass without communicating to her unless their is an immediate dire need to do so, this is out of hayyah and giving the sister respect in observing hijaab.

It saves embarassment for both, avoids unecessary speach, and stop the Shaytan being able to intervene between the two, and the hassling of a non-Mahram.

So all round masha'allah the Ukthy who did not reply and moved swiftly on was correct here- far from being rude she was polite and the more respectful of the dean fearing Allah (swt).

agree..:up:

sister Nazia, this issue has already been discussed in this thread

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115339

[neelu]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.

She's probably come across some guys who misuse that as a way of getting to talk to someone they want to flirt with.

[sally29]

y say salaam to a sister

[Muhammad2]

I just ignore women I don't know.

Sometimes pointedly :D

[sally29]

r u gay?

[Muhammad2]

Nope. Just trying to keep within the limits

Besides, Mr Pot, I don't have a girl's name :p

[Nazias]

He, I, and all brothers should lower our gaze and let a Muslimah pass without communicating to her unless their is an immediate dire need to do so, this is out of hayyah and giving the sister respect in observing hijaab.

It saves embarassment for both, avoids unecessary speach, and stop the Shaytan being able to intervene between the two, and the hassling of a non-Mahram.

So all round masha'allah the Ukthy who did not reply and moved swiftly on was correct here- far from being rude she was polite and the more respectful of the dean fearing Allah (swt).

Ok :scratch: So out of curiousity, the other day I was in a shop and the brother serving said Assalamu Alaikum instead of the usual hi for other customers so should I have ignored him then?

[Raul-7]

Then what does this verse relate to-

The men and women of the believers are friends of one another. They command what is right and forbid what is wrong, and establish prayer and pay alms, and obey Allah and His Messenger. They are the people on whom Allah will have mercy. Allah is Almighty, All Wise. (Qur'an, 9:71)

[$HugoBoss$]

Don't say Salaam, give Salaams to Muslims brothers instead.


why??? i want evidence of this and the link you provided is not accessible. I do give salams to muslim bro's and there's nothing wrong in giving salams to sisters as long as you have good intentions.

[$HugoBoss$]

Masha'allah na'am totally agree. :up:

He, I, and all brothers should lower our gaze and let a Muslimah pass without communicating to her unless their is an immediate dire need to do so, this is out of hayyah and giving the sister respect in observing hijaab.

It saves embarassment for both, avoids unecessary speach, and stop the Shaytan being able to intervene between the two, and the hassling of a non-Mahram.

So all round masha'allah the Ukthy who did not reply and moved swiftly on was correct here- far from being rude she was polite and the more respectful of the dean fearing Allah (swt).

Thanx for reminding me about lowering my gaze cmon bro like i didn't know that. A friendly salam with good intentions there's absolutely no harm whatsoever. The sister that did not reply your saying she was correct???? She gave me a disgusted look when i gave her a friendly salam sure of course she's right whatever you say bro :up:.

Let me ask you one question if your so worried about avoiding communication with sisters when it's not necessary to why are you on this site??? Haven't you communicated with sisters on this site when there was no valid reason to????

I don't want to be mean but i smell hypocrisy :banghead:

[Supernova Nebula]

Hmm... I say G'day to everyone, always give everyone about me the once over and frequently make eye contact, especially when I'm communicating.

I don't try and start conversations with everyone though.

Then again. I can't say I encounter a lot of niqaabis.

I did see one once...
"Oooh, look. It's one of them muzlems, like on the news! G'day love, how's it hanging?". :D

but myte, your aussie G'day sounds G'die, so that wont work myte:D

[Ruprecht]

but myte, your aussie G'day sounds G'die, so that wont work myte:D

Hmm... you could be right.

Maybe I should just try and baffle them with an, "airzitgaarn cobba!". :D

[UnoDosTres]

Today, I did see a Muslimah (not the same one, there are more than one in my neighborhood!) wearing a Niqaab and sunglasses.

Silly me for thinking they don't!

[sally29]

im actually scared of some indian sisters, if they think your trying to hit on them, maybe thats y they give u a dirty look $HugoBoss$.

[heaven2002]

Today, I did see a Muslimah (not the same one, there are more than one in my neighborhood!) wearing a Niqaab and sunglasses.

Silly me for thinking they don't!

course women with niqaab wear sunglasses
if you go to a country like saudi , ul see many
its a personal preference

[heaven2002]

Thanx for reminding me about lowering my gaze cmon bro like i didn't know that. A friendly salam with good intentions there's absolutely no harm whatsoever. The sister that did not reply your saying she was correct???? She gave me a disgusted look when i gave her a friendly salam sure of course she's right whatever you say bro :up:.

Let me ask you one question if your so worried about avoiding communication with sisters when it's not necessary to why are you on this site??? Haven't you communicated with sisters on this site when there was no valid reason to????

I don't want to be mean but i smell hypocrisy :banghead:

why would u say salaam to a muslim sister who u did not know? well the answer is that in islam we are supposed to lower our gaze so that means to looking or talking to a strange woman
i wudn like it if a muslim brother said salamm out of the blue, if he was a stranger
do u think it wud be sumthing the prophet (SAW) wud have approved> i think not
so just dont do it
its easy to lower gaze
i do it everyday, i look around at buildings, the ground, cars, other women but i dont look at men

[heaven2002]

why??? i want evidence of this and the link you provided is not accessible. I do give salams to muslim bro's and there's nothing wrong in giving salams to sisters as long as you have good intentions.

what good intentions?

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

Thanx for reminding me about lowering my gaze cmon bro like i didn't know that. A friendly salam with good intentions there's absolutely no harm whatsoever. The sister that did not reply your saying she was correct???? She gave me a disgusted look when i gave her a friendly salam sure of course she's right whatever you say bro :up:.

Let me ask you one question if your so worried about avoiding communication with sisters when it's not necessary to why are you on this site??? Haven't you communicated with sisters on this site when there was no valid reason to????

I don't want to be mean but i smell hypocrisy :banghead:

Bottom line - brothers shouldn't be talking to girls. So why on earth would you give Salaams to a random Muslim girl in the street? The sister did the right thing.

[ummbilal]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.


i hate people who dont return salaambut it doesnt stop me giving it.

[Kal-El]

In my neighbourhood, there are quite a few Muslims. So one morning I was walking out of my home and this Muslimah said Salaam to me. I responded back.

Now, on another occassion i was walking past a Muslimah and she looked at me and I said my Salaams. She ignored me, so i was puzzled at first then realised she didn't wanna say anything to me because we're not related.

Another time later, one said Salaam to me but I ignored her for the same reason I was previously ignored. Then I arrive home from school and my mom tells me her friend who stopped by (the same Muslimah who i ignored that morning) mentioned I ignored her, and then I got told to never embarrass the family again :scratch:

What i've learnt is that to some Muslim women, they don't mind being greeted but they will not respond - assuming you would understand why. Some actually prefer to be greeted to acknowledge their presence, as a sign of mutual respect e.g. if they're a family friend.

[$HugoBoss$]

why would u say salaam to a muslim sister who u did not know? well the answer is that in islam we are supposed to lower our gaze so that means to looking or talking to a strange woman
i wudn like it if a muslim brother said salamm out of the blue, if he was a stranger
do u think it wud be sumthing the prophet (SAW) wud have approved> i think not
so just dont do it
its easy to lower gaze
i do it everyday, i look around at buildings, the ground, cars, other women but i dont look at men

do i know you??? why are you talking to me??? just because this is the internet doesn't mean you can communicate with the opposite sex, do you think the prophet would approve of this, i think not :rolleyes: ??? your a stranger to me, it works the same way.

I say salam to random brothers i don't know, it's called brother hood if you didn't know :rolleyes:

[$HugoBoss$]

what good intentions?

excuse me??? whats your point????? you don't know me, so keep your thoughts to yourself

[heaven2002]

at the end of the day free mixing isnt allowed in islam so why u had the need to say salaam to a random muslimah isnt clear
im not surprised to she was offended
what were ur intentions towards her? to be friendly?
ur not required to be freindly towards muslimah strangers, ur required to lower ur gaze and walk past
no need to get all defensive

and yes i dont know u, i never said i did!:D

[heaven2002]

Bottom line - brothers shouldn't be talking to girls. So why on earth would you give Salaams to a random Muslim girl in the street? The sister did the right thing.

i agree , this is the islamic thing to do

[heaven2002]

i hate people who dont return salaambut it doesnt stop me giving it.

but im u wouldnt say salaam to a random muslim man who u were passing?

if a muslim man who i did not know said salaam i wudnt get all offended or roll my eyes, but i wud probably not return to salaam as he is a stranger, unless he was my dads age or older and he looked like someone who wanted directions or help or summat!!:)

[Muhammad2]

I have a random question for Muslimahs,

What is a mouse when it spins? :D

[$HugoBoss$]

at the end of the day free mixing isnt allowed in islam so why u had the need to say salaam to a random muslimah isnt clear
im not surprised to she was offended
what were ur intentions towards her? to be friendly?
ur not required to be freindly towards muslimah strangers, ur required to lower ur gaze and walk past
no need to get all defensive

and yes i dont know u, i never said i did!:D

I was in a happy mood and this was at school, i was just passing by and thought it would be nice. Don't we free mix on this site??? I don't want your opinion i want a source of either hadith or quran stating that muslims are not required to be friendly towards muslim strangers???? Can you do that for me???

I'm not getting all defensive, your telling me not to give salams to random people when you do it yourself and talk about random stuff which you shouldn't be, why don't you practice what you preach????

[$HugoBoss$]

Then what does this verse relate to-

The men and women of the believers are friends of one another. They command what is right and forbid what is wrong, and establish prayer and pay alms, and obey Allah and His Messenger. They are the people on whom Allah will have mercy. Allah is Almighty, All Wise. (Qur'an, 9:71)

Nice a quote from the quran, unlike someone's irrational opinions :rolleyes:

[heaven2002]

I was in a happy mood and this was at school, i was just passing by and thought it would be nice. Don't we free mix on this site??? I don't want your opinion i want a source of either hadith or quran stating that muslims are not required to be friendly towards muslim strangers???? Can you do that for me???

I'm not getting all defensive, your telling me not to give salams to random people when you do it yourself and talk about random stuff which you shouldn't be, why don't you practice what you preach????

this is an open forum, i am not meeting with u or talking to u in private
its different if i was in front of u , looked at u and said salaams to ur face
in the quran it says that men and women should lower their gaze from each other

u can still say salaam to ur fellow brothers if u are a brother urself
or ur fellow sisters if u are a muslim sister

but a strange man should not say salaam to a strange sister, whether he is in a happy mood or not, thats irrelevant to the fact that the quran says that we should lower our gaze

ur intentions werent bad, but if the quran says that we should lower our gaze then surely that means we shudnt really say salaam to a strange person from opposite sex

i think in certain cases like if someone needed help (like say theres been an accident, or ur lost) then its different

im not saying u did wrong, im saying that quran says to lower gaze so that sister who was offended with u wud have prefered if u lowered gaze rather than saying salaams to her. it was bad manners to roll eyes, but maybe she has had strange men approach her before and she thought u were one of those type men

[heaven2002]

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty. That is purer for them. Verily, Allaah is All-Aware of what they do. Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...O you who believe! Turn you all together towards Allah that you may attain success." (Surah Nur:30,31).

[Al-Irhaab]

Nice a quote from the quran, unlike someone's irrational opinions :rolleyes:

the quranic word is 'awliyah' which means friends protectors helpers... it doesnt mean u be pally pally with them... i mean if a guy said to my wife i want to be ur friend because look in the quran it says men and women are friends to each other.. id slap the blackness of his face.... :rolleyes:

yes u are awliyah to the believers... how as allah (swt) says u enjoin good and forbid evil and establish prayers etc... so if u see a muslimah in trouble it is ur duty to help her, if u see her in need it is ur duty to protect her... but if shes sitting there happy about something its not ur duty to go celebrate with her and chill out with her...

dont try to use the quran for justification without looking at what the ayah means firstly because the prophet (SaW) said let he who speaks about the quran without knowledge take his place in the hellfire...

[heaven2002]

:up:

[.: Rashid :.]

well said :up:

I agree with al irhaab...but in the shop situation someone mentioned, if I was the brother at the till who said salam and i got ignored, id be offended...although I wouldn't say it just on the street walking by or whatever.

When you're in a shop you're communicating anyway so saying salam isnt any more harmful...

-Rashid

[Nazias]

but in the shop situation someone mentioned, if I was the brother at the till who said salam and i got ignored, id be offended...although I wouldn't say it just on the street walking by or whatever.

When you're in a shop you're communicating anyway so saying salam isnt any more harmful...

That was me and I would always say Walaikum salam if someone had said salam to me be it male of female as I personally think it would be rude not to!

[$HugoBoss$]

That was me and I would always say Walaikum salam if someone had said salam to me be it male of female as I personally think it would be rude not to!

Yes i agree with you, jazakallah for the support sis :up:

[$HugoBoss$]

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty. That is purer for them. Verily, Allaah is All-Aware of what they do. Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...O you who believe! Turn you all together towards Allah that you may attain success." (Surah Nur:30,31).

Yeah that doesn't answer my question though, this verse doesn't apply to every situation now does it???? There's no detail, it doesn't describe any conditions or circumstances when your suppose to lower your gaze and when it's permissable to have eye contact. For example the grocery shop scenario, if there's a sister at the cashier and she tells me the bill is $10.75 am i suppose to lower my gaze without a word and giving her the cash, what if she asks me a question like do you need a bag with that am i suppose to ignore her?????

Once again there's no detail in this verse, keep trying sis :up:

[heaven2002]

Yeah that doesn't answer my question though, this verse doesn't apply to every situation now does it???? There's no detail, it doesn't describe any conditions or circumstances when your suppose to lower your gaze and when it's permissable to have eye contact. For example the grocery shop scenario, if there's a sister at the cashier and she tells me the bill is $10.75 am i suppose to lower my gaze without a word and giving her the cash, what if she asks me a question like do you need a bag with that am i suppose to ignore her?????

Once again there's no detail in this verse, keep trying sis :up:

as i said before unless theres a genuine need then muslim men and women need to lower their gaze
so if ur in shop and u need to ask for help then thats different as the other posters stated above, its different from just passing someone in the street and saying salaams to them
when u require help then muslims should help each other, otherwise lower ur gaze
read the other posts above carefully

[heaven2002]

the quranic word is 'awliyah' which means friends protectors helpers... :

so if u see a muslimah in trouble it is ur duty to help her, if u see her in need it is ur duty to protect her...
QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rashid786;1723144]well said :up:

I agree with al irhaab...but in the shop situation someone mentioned, if I was the brother at the till who said salam and i got ignored, id be offended...although I wouldn't say it just on the street walking by or whatever.


-Rashid

all good advice
lower ur gaze unless theres a genuine reason to ask for help or to give help

[$HugoBoss$]

as i said before unless theres a genuine need then muslim men and women need to lower their gaze
so if ur in shop and u need to ask for help then thats different as the other posters stated above, its different from just passing someone in the street and saying salaams to them
when u require help then muslims should help each other, otherwise lower ur gaze
read the other posts above carefully

Why do you always have to change the topic to lowering your gaze????? I was being polite to a sister so please tell me where in the quran or in any hadith that it's not permissable to be polite to your muslim sisters.

I don't want anyone's opinion, i want authentic proof directly from the quran or hadith, your comments and others are useless to me if you can't provide the proper material i am looking for.

Don't forget that allah looks at your intention.

Being polite or showing kindness to a muslim is also part of giving salam to them.

[Niqaabi]

Personally if i knew this ghayr mahram person and they saw me on the street i would respond with a wave so they dont think i am being rude or anything. But it would only be a wave or hello nothing like "so you got any plans for the weekend" as this would fall into idle talking and its not necessary.

[Niqaabi]

Erm whats wrong with giving salaam to the opposite sex?
Salaam isnt the arabic way of saying hi or hello or whatever its a duah you make to another muslim for Allah's blessing to be on them so what is so wrong about that? I am sure it can be done by lowering the gaze and if both people fear Allah they wouldnt turn it into an idle talk moment.

When a brother i dont know on the street walks past and gives me salaam i return it as its wajib to. I personally wouldnt give salaam as i get shy to, but i would def. return it and feel happy a muslim has made duah for me.

[$HugoBoss$]

Personally if i knew this ghayr mahram person and they saw me on the street i would respond with a wave so they dont think i am being rude or anything. But it would only be a wave or hello nothing like "so you got any plans for the weekend" as this would fall into idle talking and its not necessary.

Yeah your right exchange salams and off you go, it shows brotherhood and kindness :up:

[heaven2002]

i personally wud find it strange if a man who i had never met before was walking past me and said salaam with no reason, however i wud return the salaam unless he looked like a perv

it wud be different if that person was someone known to my family or a relative or looked like they needed help with directions

[$HugoBoss$]

however i wud return the salaam unless he looked like a perv

What happened to lowering your gaze???? Changed your mind so quick huh :rolleyes:

[heaven2002]

What happened to lowering your gaze???? Changed your mind so quick huh :rolleyes:

as sister stated above i wudnt have to look at him to return salaam
and i wudnt say salaam to a person first this is about replying

[heaven2002]

i wonder how many of the muslim male members of ummah would say salaam to a muslimah they didnt know in the street just for purpose of being friendly?
possible poll me thinks

[Nazias]

i wud return the salaam unless he looked like a perv

:rubeyes: how do you judge that? :rubeyes:

[Muhammad2]

She has the Eye Spy Book Of Pervs permanently in her pocket

[heaven2002]

:rubeyes: how do you judge that? :rubeyes:

if he said salaam in a leering kind of way? oh , i dont know, actually wudnt say anything because id be so surprised!
actually ive never had a strange man say salaam when im walking in the street

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

I said Salam to this hijabi sister once at school and she gave me that look and than rolled her eyes, i'm like fine suit yourself. I was just being polite to a sister and i get the dirty look, never will i do that again.
Salaam. It's better to give salaams to a brother akhi, because your not meant to give sisters salaams, i heard this from someone who is very knowledgable sorry i can't give you the dalil. But what a brother can do is give a salaam to a sister if he is doing business with her in a shop, like buying somethink from HIS shop. :)

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

Ok :scratch: So out of curiousity, the other day I was in a shop and the brother serving said Assalamu Alaikum instead of the usual hi for other customers so should I have ignored him then?
But thats ok if he is a shop worker and doing business, but just to anyone from the streets you see.

[Niqaabi]

Salaam. It's better to give salaams to a brother akhi, because your not meant to give sisters salaams, i heard this from someone who is very knowledgable sorry i can't give you the dalil. But what a brother can do is give a salaam to a sister if he is doing business with her in a shop, like buying somethink from HIS shop. :)
Err bring you daleel forward before making comments. And just because YOU heard it from someone knowlegdable doesnt necessarily mean its true. Another brother from this forum could hear from someone knowledgable that it is ok to give salaams so stick to Qur'an and Sunnah for proofs.

Heaven2002, what exactly do you mean by "unless he looked like a perv" how can you just make judgements on someone by the way they look? If you see a sister in full niqaab etc would you say she is an extremist? If a sister was wearing just a scarf around her head is a YMO or ignorant? I dont think people should make judgements on what people look like, that sister who wears niqaab could be fearful of Allah so much she covers herself completely, or the sister who is only wearing scarf is a revert asian who only just became muslim.

Iv been given salaam by strange men on the street, iv even been asked for directions and i have given them answers and then gone my way. Ignoring a brother/sisters salaam or questioning why they give salaam to a brother/sister is falling into extremism to me.

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

Then what does this verse relate to-

The men and women of the believers are friends of one another. They command what is right and forbid what is wrong, and establish prayer and pay alms, and obey Allah and His Messenger. They are the people on whom Allah will have mercy. Allah is Almighty, All Wise. (Qur'an, 9:71)
Salaam, did you get the proper understanding of this? before thinking it's ok for men and women to hold hands and be friends and chat chat. Remember the proper understanding is the arabic version, some imams have a different interpretation of the ayah like example "Abdullah Yusuf Ali translates it as The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another" there for it's better to look at the tafsir to understand it better.

Wa Salaam

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

why??? i want evidence of this and the link you provided is not accessible. I do give salams to muslim bro's and there's nothing wrong in giving salams to sisters as long as you have good intentions.

Salaams, well bruv what happens if she winks at you after giving her the salaams? lol thats it now, you won't be able to control yourself now, the shatan will attack you left right and centre.

[$HugoBoss$]

Salaams, well bruv what happens if she winks at you after giving her the salaams? lol thats it now, you won't be able to control yourself now, the shatan will attack you left right and centre.

I doubht a hijabi will ever wink at anybody lol cmon bro thats unreal plus i'm engaged even if she did wink at me i would walk right past her.

It would be a funny scenario though.

[$HugoBoss$]

Err bring you daleel forward before making comments. And just because YOU heard it from someone knowlegdable doesnt necessarily mean its true. Another brother from this forum could hear from someone knowledgable that it is ok to give salaams so stick to Qur'an and Sunnah for proofs.

Heaven2002, what exactly do you mean by "unless he looked like a perv" how can you just make judgements on someone by the way they look? If you see a sister in full niqaab etc would you say she is an extremist? If a sister was wearing just a scarf around her head is a YMO or ignorant? I dont think people should make judgements on what people look like, that sister who wears niqaab could be fearful of Allah so much she covers herself completely, or the sister who is only wearing scarf is a revert asian who only just became muslim.

Iv been given salaam by strange men on the street, iv even been asked for directions and i have given them answers and then gone my way. Ignoring a brother/sisters salaam or questioning why they give salaam to a brother/sister is falling into extremism to me.

Yeah your absolutely right, i have to keep reminding people here that allah looks at your intention.

[Al-Irhaab]

Erm whats wrong with giving salaam to the opposite sex?
Salaam isnt the arabic way of saying hi or hello or whatever its a duah you make to another muslim for Allah's blessing to be on them so what is so wrong about that? I am sure it can be done by lowering the gaze and if both people fear Allah they wouldnt turn it into an idle talk moment.

When a brother i dont know on the street walks past and gives me salaam i return it as its wajib to. I personally wouldnt give salaam as i get shy to, but i would def. return it and feel happy a muslim has made duah for me.

its not wajib to return the salam from a member of the opposite sex.. :rolleyes:

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

Err bring you daleel forward before making comments. And just because YOU heard it from someone knowlegdable doesnt necessarily mean its true. Another brother from this forum could hear from someone knowledgable that it is ok to give salaams so stick to Qur'an and Sunnah for proofs.

Don't you have a scholar that you follow? and if so who? There are some things that we don't understand so we refer it to a scholar who has many years experience in studying the deen the Qur'aan and Sunnah. Remember Islam is vast, don't try to take on somethink you don't know always refer it to a scholar = some one (Knowledgable) as I was trying to explain earlier.

[Abu_Mohammad_21]

Something I found:

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http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=3843&CATE=383

Giving Salams to opposite sex

Question: Is it permissible to give salams to a woman or to respond to her salams if I don’t fear any fitna from it? What if I know that not saying salams would cause harm, for example when dealing with a converted lady who isn’t familiar with this type of conduct?

Answer: There is some detail involved in a man giving his salams to a non-mahram lady. If the lady is old, whereby she doesn’t have any desire, it is sunna to give her salams, and a lady must return her salams to her.

However, if it is a desirable woman and there are many women together, it is permissible to give salams to them all and he must respond as well.

If it is only one desirable woman, the position of the school is that if a man gives his salams to her first, it is disliked, and responding to her salams is also disliked. But for her, to give her salams to a non-mahram man first is haram, as well as responding to his salams, for fear of fitna, even if the person feels safe from fitna within himself, because this is a situation where fitna usually begins. So the ruling is based on to this, even if people differ.

This is the ruling of our school and I have not studied about this issue in other schools, so perhaps they have some leniency, so one should refer to them. As for a Muslimah, specifically, who does know about this ruling, one could teach her and explain the ruling to her without undergoing much hardship.

[Faraz: Living Hanafi scholars mention that it is permitted to give salams to an unrelated person of the opposite sex when there is need or benefit in the interaction, and the interaction takes place within the limits of the Shariah and without fear of going beyond the limits and proprieties of the Sacred Law.]

- Amjad Rasheed

(Translated by Shazia Ahmad)

[UnoDosTres]

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty. That is purer for them. Verily, Allaah is All-Aware of what they do. Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty...O you who believe! Turn you all together towards Allah that you may attain success." (Surah Nur:30,31).

This might be a dumb question, but can't someone "gaze" be lowered as they say the Salaam?

A person doesn't necessarily need to make eye contact with another to say Hi.

[heaven2002]

This might be a dumb question, but can't someone "gaze" be lowered as they say the Salaam?

A person doesn't necessarily need to make eye contact with another to say Hi.

yes , as i said in one of my above posts u could say salaam whilst still lowering gaze
but personally i wudnt say salaam to a strange man in the street, unless i genuinely needed help like say i was lost
and if a strange man passed me in the street and said salaam for no apparent reason then i wud find that uncomfortable
it wud be different if he looked like he needed help, like he was asking for directions then i wud return salaam
each to his/her own i suppose

[Niqaabi]

its not wajib to return the salam from a member of the opposite sex.. :rolleyes:
again provide daleel :rolleyes:

[heaven2002]

where does it say that it is wajib?

[Al-Muhaajiroun]

Something I found:

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http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=3843&CATE=383

Giving Salams to opposite sex

Question: Is it permissible to give salams to a woman or to respond to her salams if I don’t fear any fitna from it? What if I know that not saying salams would cause harm, for example when dealing with a converted lady who isn’t familiar with this type of conduct?

Answer: There is some detail involved in a man giving his salams to a non-mahram lady. If the lady is old, whereby she doesn’t have any desire, it is sunna to give her salams, and a lady must return her salams to her.

However, if it is a desirable woman and there are many women together, it is permissible to give salams to them all and he must respond as well.

If it is only one desirable woman, the position of the school is that if a man gives his salams to her first, it is disliked, and responding to her salams is also disliked. But for her, to give her salams to a non-mahram man first is haram, as well as responding to his salams, for fear of fitna, even if the person feels safe from fitna within himself, because this is a situation where fitna usually begins. So the ruling is based on to this, even if people differ.

This is the ruling of our school and I have not studied about this issue in other schools, so perhaps they have some leniency, so one should refer to them. As for a Muslimah, specifically, who does know about this ruling, one could teach her and explain the ruling to her without undergoing much hardship.

[Faraz: Living Hanafi scholars mention that it is permitted to give salams to an unrelated person of the opposite sex when there is need or benefit in the interaction, and the interaction takes place within the limits of the Shariah and without fear of going beyond the limits and proprieties of the Sacred Law.]

- Amjad Rasheed

(Translated by Shazia Ahmad)

Salaam. Exactly :up: great post bruv.

[junaidb]

there's nothing wrong with being neighbourly, and there are lots of niqaabi sisters who wear glasses

My Restpected elders, brothers sisters and lil ones

:salams

agreed with GHanamuslima...my wife uses a sunglasses now and again.....and its :up: :up: :up: even under the Niqaab....its for the protection from the sun......hence sunglasses

abt the waving......i think its the polite thing to do.....ur neighbors have certain rights on you and you should fulfill them....i think u should keep in contact with all neighbors all the way up and down the road.....even across both ways.....as muslim neighbors....we should nt be afraid of your unique Identity....its perfect!!!!!! Islam is the only and best way of life.....thats what amazes them when you show a non muslim how we are as neighbors


Keep ta waves.....you may one day have to carry that Janazah......

eish enuf Nasheeha from me..... simple answer for the questionnaire...yes u should wave and have absoltely no expectations......its like do good, and DONT expect anything for it...just do it.....lol

Wassalaam

[junaidb]

we must also remember that :salams creates unity.....:up: