Horseriding, archery,...

[MG]

from what i have understood, the above are sunnah?

so is anybody doing the above or teaching their kids to do the above?

jus curious

[Te'oma]

ummm when I was in grade school(it was a catholic school) I was probably the only kid with native blood to fail archery class. In my defence the arrow(we only got one) was warped and would not fly straight. :D
2 years later, in public school I got an A :D
Anywho, all of my kids can ride and all have had at least a cursory education in the bow with my oldest son taking it up for hunting.

[Umar`]

from what i have understood, the above are sunnah?

so is anybody doing the above or teaching their kids to do the above?

jus curious

and swimming too.
id love to do archery and horseriding.

[Al-ghurabah]

in this country they are not easily accessable sports.. horse riding is very expensive and archery not needed as the weopanary have changed
swimming and wrestling are two others the prophet did..

[Umar`]

yeah wrestling is the one, best fighting art there is, no rated boxer has ever beaten a rated wrestler.

[Te'oma]

yeah wrestling is the one, best fighting art there is, no rated boxer has ever beaten a rated wrestler.

Yeah but Chuck Norris would take them both out :p

[MG]

yeh wrestling my lil one does regularly alhumdulillah but i been thinking about horseriding for him lately...so far i got £30 for an hour..whoa!

[Al-ghurabah]

yeh wrestling my lil one does regularly alhumdulillah but i been thinking about horseriding for him lately...so far i got £30 for an hour..whoa!


told you they are very expensive my nephews went few times.. its for the well off

[MG]

in this country they are not easily accessable sports.. horse riding is very expensive and archery not needed as the weopanary have changed
swimming and wrestling are two others the prophet did..

your right about archery, i havent found that anywhere..

swimming is a good one, i didnt know thats sunnah,j/k

[MG]

Yeah but Chuck Norris would take them both out :p


who is chuck norris? a famous wrestler i take it

[ibn suleman]

who is chuck norris? a famous wrestler i take it

:eek:

u dont know who chuck norris is

:p

some chuck norris threads

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111340

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83485

:rotfl:

[muslimah85]

Hey MG im trained in archery and also train others :D, theres a few venues that do it Ill look them up when I get home next week.

Horseriding. Im taking lessons this summer :inlove:

[Ibn Khattab]

Hey MG im trained in archery and also train others :D, theres a few venues that do it Ill look them up when I get home next week.

Horseriding. Im taking lessons this summer :inlove:

you some sportswoman init mashallah.

i think swimming is sunnah but im not sure. inshallah gna go swimming in the summer :up:

[muslimah85]

you some sportswoman init mashallah.

i think swimming is sunnah but im not sure. inshallah gna go swimming in the summer :up:
I love sports :love:

Yeh swimming is good. I want to learn how to swim on my back :( soo hard :(

[Ibn Khattab]

I love sports :love:

Yeh swimming is good. I want to learn how to swim on my back :( soo hard :(

you might get called up the england squad one day. dont get your hopes up too high tho :p

i still think i can beat you at the marathon tho :p

[muslimah85]

you might get called up the england squad one day. dont get your hopes up too high tho :p

i still think i can beat you at the marathon tho :p
whatever! Im trying out for the international muslim womens games in tehran next yr inshallah :D

[MG]

[quote=muslimah85;1715439]Hey MG im trained in archery and also train others :D, theres a few venues that do it Ill look them up when I get home next week.

really? i would appreciate some more info on it, jazakallah!

Horseriding. Im taking lessons this summer :inlove:


your well off then? lol, only messing, how much are your lessons costing? PM me if u dont wanna say on forum

[MG]

Yeh swimming is good. I want to learn how to swim on my back :( soo hard :(


tell me about, i end up going diagonal, i cant go in straight line

[Ibn Khattab]

whatever! Im trying out for the international muslim womens games in tehran next yr inshallah :D

mashallah repping the pathans well. our tribe will be proud of you :p wot sports do they do? or is it like the olympics?

i used to play so much sport but subhanallah recently i havent had much opportunities.

if you think bout it, any sport you play can be beneficial deen wise if you begin with the intention of helping your body that Allah SWT has given us and getting fit.

[seven]

horse riding... isn't it like a million quid just to get insured? :scratch:

[MG]

horse riding... isn't it like a million quid just to get insured? :scratch:


why do u need insurance for horseriding?

[muslimah85]

why do u need insurance for horseriding?
if your going pro definitely

[muslimah85]

mine were a gift but in my region. Its about £40 a pop. in bulk about £800

[Ebony]

Archery is fun. If you can get the arrow to land further than your feet.

[MG]

if your going pro definitely


yeh i can understande in that sense but not if you jus ride privately no?

£40 a pop? yeh sounds about right

[seven]

http://www.leevalleypark.org.uk/en/fe/page.asp?n1=3&n2=6&n3=24&n4=813

[Rizwan]

You brothers living in America are so lucky mashallah, you have easy access to Shooting sports (Modern-day Archery), here in the UK most people have never seen a real gun (except criminals etc), there is no way of legally enjoying shooting sports.

The closest thing we have is Paintball shooting :embar:

[seven]

£13.50 for beginners... not bad

[MG]

http://www.leevalleypark.org.uk/en/fe/page.asp?n1=3&n2=6&n3=24&n4=813


thats just a taster akhi...check out the rest of the costs!

[Ebony]

Try the taster session first. Dont want to fork out for a block booking when interest dies after the first few times :-/

[seven]

archery in finchley: http://www.aquarius-archers.fsnet.co.uk/Beginners.htm

6 lessons for £35

[Abu Hurairah]

“A strong believer is better and more beloved to Allah than a weak one.” (Reported by Muslim)

"Everything with which a man plays is unlawful, except his shooting of arrows, his training his horse and playing with his wife."
(Tirmidhi No.1637, Abu Dawud No.2513, Ibn Majah No.2811 and Hakim Vol.2 Pg.104.
A Narration in Baihaqi (Vol.10 Pg.15), Tabrani (Vol.2 Pg.193) and Sunanul Kubra of Nasai (Vol.5 Pg.302) adds: ".....and a man's learning how to swim."

Horseriding:

"And (He created) horses, mules, and donkeys for you to ride and as an adornment...(al Qur'an 16:8)

Rasul'Allah (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) is reported to have said: "There is blessing in the forelocks of horses."(Ahmad)

Archery

Uqbah Bin Âmir (Radiallâhu anhu) also narrates that he heard Rasul'Allah (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) saying:
"Whoever gives up archery after having learnt it, is not of us..."(Muslim)

On another occasion, the Prophet (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) once passed by a group of his Companions who were competing in archery. He encouraged them saying, "Shoot and I am with you."(Bukhari)

Swimming

Ibn Umar (Radiallâhu anhu) narrates that Rasul'Allah (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) said: "Teach your sons swimming and archery and teach your daughters sewing."(Baihaqi)

Wrestling

The Prophet (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) once wrestled with a man called Rukanah who was well-known for his strength, throwing him down more than once. (Abu Dawood).

[MMS]

a stupid horse nearly walked right into me the otherday :torture:

i was feeling all :nervous: coz it was just looking at me and walking right at me

[ze leetle elper]

I'd love to learn archery inshaAllah! :D

[Abu Hurairah]

a stupid horse nearly walked right into me the otherday :torture:

i was feeling all :nervous: coz it was just looking at me and walking right at me
Probably he recognised you from those times you would sneak into his stable slurping up his water having a munch on his hay and horse feed? :rubeyes:

Seriously though you really need to stop going to the farm to pinch a quick snack. :nono:
I'd love to learn archery inshaAllah! :D
You and Ukthy MG should try contacting: http://www.sacred-archery.com/ (http://www.sacredarchery.com)

Their meant to be good.

[MMS]

Probably he recognised you from those times you would sneak into his stable slurping up his water having a munch on his hay and horse feed? :rubeyes:

Seriously though you really need to stop going to the farm to pinch a quick snack. :nono:

You and Ukthy MG should try contacting: http://www.sacred-archery.com/ (http://www.sacredarchery.com)

Their meant to be good.

:rolleyes: it was having problems lowering its gaze :coolbro: was mesmerized by my beautiful beard

[ze leetle elper]

You and Ukthy MG should try contacting: http://www.sacred-archery.com/ (http://www.sacredarchery.com)

Their meant to be good.

They are not meant to be, they ARE good :p I know the brother and sister there mashaAllah, and inshalAllah they will soon begin forming classes (for bros and sis) to train in archery :)

[Abu Hurairah]

Wrestling is from the Sunnah
Imaam Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah

In the Name of Allaah, Lord of the 'Aalameen, may His Salaah and Salaam be on His Final Messenger, to proceed:

His Wrestling (saws): [1]

And as for his wrestling, in the Sunan of Aboo Daawood, on the authority of Muhammad ibn 'Alee ibn Rukaanah, who said, "Verily Rukaanah wrestled the Prophet, and the Prophet (saws) took him down." [2]

And this hadeeth has a story surrounding it that we will now mention. Our Shaykh Abul-Hujjaaj Al-Haafith in his book Tah-theebul-Kaamil mentions:

"Rukaanah bin 'Abdu-Yazeed Al-Qurayshee [3] was from those who accepted Islaam upon the conquering of Makkah. And he was the one who wrestled the Prophet (saws), and the Prophet took him down twice or three times. That was before he accepted Islaam. It is said that this was without a doubt the reason he accepted Islaam. This hadeeth is the most firmly established report of the Prophet's (saws) wrestling, however, as for what has been mentioned about the Prophet (saws) wrestling Aboo Jahl, that is baseless." [4]

Az-Zubayr bin Bukkaar said in his book An-Nasab:
"Rukaanah bin 'Abdu-Yazeed was the one who wrestled the Prophet (saws) in Makkah before he embraced Islaam. He was from the strongest and harshest of the people. He said, "If you can take me down, I will believe in you." So the Prophet (saws) wrestled him and took him down. He then proclaimed, "I testify that you are a magician!" Later he accepted Islaam." [5]

Wrestling With Something at Stake or Without [6]

As for wrestling, then it is permissible with nothing at stake. [7] However, if there is something at stake, then the majority of the scholars prohibited it, like Maalik [8], Ahmad [9], and Ash-Shaafi'ee [10]. Some Shaafi'ee scholars allowed it with something at stake [11], and this position is also found among the Hanafee scholars as well [12].

Important Points To Keep in Mind Regarding Wrestling By Shaykh Mash-hoor Hasan Salmaan [13]
There is a slight difference in what was known to the Salaf as wrestling and what we now see in our times [14]. Regarding this, Ash-Shaykh Al-Mutee'ee said:

"Our Salaf recognised wrestling as a means of strengthening the body, involving skillful grappling movements, in an attempt to put one's opponent on the floor. Wrestling in our times has many forms: freestyle, Roman, Japanese, etc. Every style still holds to the principle of skillfully grappling the opponent and forcing him down, keeping him from regaining his stance." [15]
The wrestlers must cover their 'awrahs properly and not expose them. It is a condition for the wrestler's participation that he must properly cover his 'awrah, the area between his navel and his knees. This is something the Sharee'ah specified. So the wrestlers of this time that dress in clothes that do not cover their 'awrahs modestly, this is surely from the evil, prohibited affairs.
The Muslims' participation in wrestling must not exceed the Sharee'ah's goal in allowing such activities. [16]
Injuries and physical harm must not be a common part of the wrestlers' participation. Regarding this, Al-'Allaamah Ad-Dardeer said:

"The correctness of the intent makes it permissible by the Sharee'ah, so if the intention is not correct, then it must be considered falsehood and idle playing, the kind of activity the people of disobedience indulge in constantly. If it is like that, then it is surely not permissible. Especially when many times it involves injuries that are a direct result from blows suffered during participation in the sport or other than that."

The evidences for the prohibition of physical harm are many and well known. As for the evidence regarding the correctness of the intent, we now look to the hadeeth:

"Every activity that does not contain the remembrance of Allaah is falsehood and heedlessness, except four things: A man walking between two purposeful goals, grooming his horse, playing with his family, or learning to swim."[17]

In this hadeeth we see a clear dispraise of all types of idle talk and play, and then the Prophet (saws) exempted four things from this warning. And if you contemplated these exceptions, you would find that each one assists you in fulfilling an obligation.

As for the rest of the idle activities that the people indulge in from the many different forms of games, those that do not assist them in fulfilling any duties, then they are dangers to be warned against. [18]
The women are wrestling these days. No doubt, this can not be accomplished except by their 'awrahs being exposed, so therefore they must be prohibited from it. Watching women wrestle is also prohibited.
Some people are pitting themselves against animals in wrestling matches, like bulls for example, as is prevalent in Spain these days. Know that wrestling is encouraged between men due to its helpfulness in strengthening the body in preparation for Jihaad in Allaah's Way. It is a severe deviation to try to include animals in this sphere, causing them harm, clearly contradicting the Sharee'ah's principle of kindness to animals.
And Allaah knows best.

Source: Ibn Al-Qayyim's book Al-Furoosiyyah (p.86)
Translator: Moosaa Richardson


Footnotes:

[1] This is a translation of Al-Furoosiyyah (p.86). All footnotes are from Al-'Allaamah Mash-hoor Hasan Salmaan's comments unless otherwise noted.
[2] It is found in the Sunan of Aboo Daawood (4/341), At-Tirmithee (4/247), Al-Bukhaaree in At-Taareekhul-Kabeer (1/82,221), Al-Haakim in Al-Mustadrak (3/452), Ibn Qaani' in his Mu'jam, as found in Tuhfatul-Ashraaf (3/174). At-Tirmithee said, "A strange hadeeth, its chain is not firm. We don't know anything about Abul-Hasan Al-Asqalaanee, nor Ibn Rukaanah." And Ibn Hibbaan said, "It is said that he wrestled the Prophet (saws), but its chain has some controversy" (Ath-Thiqaat 3/130).

I say: The hadeeth has a witness that raises it to the level of hasan (authentic, with a minor imperfection). Translator's note: And this is the conclusion of Al-Imaam Imaam Al-Albaanee also, who mentioned an authentic mursal narration in Al-Bayhaqee (10/18) as the witnessing chain. See Irwaa'ul-Ghaleel (1503).

[3] His full name was Rukaanah bin 'Abdu-Yazeed bin Haashim bin Al-Mutallab bin 'Abdi Manaaf bin Qusay bin Kalaab bin Murrah bin Ka'b bin Lu'ee bin Ghaalib Al-Qurasyhee Al-Mutallabee.

[4] Ibn Hajr said, "As for what has been reported about the Prophet (saws) wrestling Aboo Jahl, there is no basis for that. The hadeeth of Rukaanah is the most reliable of what has been related regarding the Prophet's (saws) wrestling." See At-Talkheesul-Habeer (4/163).

[5] A similar report is found in Al-Bayhaqee's Dalaa'ilun-Nubuwwah (6/250) by way of Ibn Ishaaq, who narrated from his father. The report is mursal. [6] Al-Furoosiyyah p.106 - Translator's note: Something at stake means a prize for the winner, a task the loser must undertake, etc. Obviously, gambling is not being referred to here.

[7] The proof for that is what has been presented in the previous section. Some of the scholars of Fiqh have mentioned the legislation of wrestling in the Religion, as well as the different kinds of sports that benefit and strengthen the body in preparation for Jihaad in Allaah's Way. For examples, look to At-Tamheed (14/88), Al-Mughnee (8/666), Tabyeenul-Haqaa'iq (6/227), Al-Fataawaa Al-Hindiyyah (6/445), Mughnil-Muhtaaj (4/312), Al-Umm (4/148), and Hashiyatud-Daswaqee (2/210).

[8] See At-Tamheed (14/88) and Haashiyatud-Daswaqee (2/210).

[9] See Majmoo'ul-Fataawaa (32/227), Al-Mughnee (8/667-8), and Al-Insaaf (6/90).

[10] See Al-Umm (4/148), Al-Muhath-thib (1/414), and Mughnil-Muhtaaj (4/312).

[11] The Shaafi'ee scholars were known to allow it. See Rowdhatut-Taalibeen (10/351) and Al-Muhath-thib (1/414).

[12] See Haashiyah Ibni 'Aabideen (6/403). However some of the Hanafee scholars prohibited it. For examples, see Al-Bahrur-Raa'iq (8/554), Tabyeenul-Haqaa'iq (6/227), and Al-Fataawaa Al-Hindiyyah (6/445).

[13] Translator's note: This was originally a long footnote from the last section, found on page 106-108 of Al-Furoosiyyah.

[14] Translator's note: The author quite nobly makes no mention of the extreme form of falsehood that so many of the youth are occupied with today - so-called "professional" wrestling as found in the West. Of course, this mirage of a sport, with its actors and staged performances, can not possibly be included in our discussion of wrestling, a meritorious sport practiced by our Prophet (saws).

[15] Takmilatul-Majmoo' (15/141)

[16] Translator's note: And that goal is to "benefit and strengthen the body in preparation for Jihaad in Allaah's Way" as mentioned previously. So a wrestler who seeks fame, popularity, status, or wastes long periods of time, delaying prayer or neglecting other Islaamic duties has obviously gone outside of this goal.

[17] An authentic (saheeh) hadeeth found, with varying but similar wordings, in Ahmad (4/144,146,148,222), Aboo Daawood (3/13), Ibn Maajah (2/940), Ad-Daarimee (2/204-205), Al-Haakim (2/95), Al-Bayhaqee (10/13,14,218), and many others.

[18] See Sharhus-Sunnah (10/383) and Tah-theeb Sunan Abee Daawood (3/371)

[Abu Hurairah]

:rolleyes: it was having problems lowering its gaze :coolbro: was mesmerized by my beautiful beard
No you ate his food and had the cheek to walk near him all balling with some fake beardo disguise on as if its all OK to go round barns eating the food of horsies like him and his familie's so he was giving you mean looks. :(

Next time don't do else he will knock you out! :(
They are not meant to be, they ARE good :p I know the brother and sister there mashaAllah, and inshalAllah they will soon begin forming classes (for bros and sis) to train in archery :)
Separte brothers ones too?

Sounds brilliant masha'allah :up:- do they sell their online retail books too Ukthy?

[Phoenix CG]

Yeah well I'm going to get a unicorn, ask my brother how I'm going to get one.

[RashidD]

I'd love to learn archery inshaAllah! :D

I'd like to train in weaponry basically... :p

[seven]

a stupid horse nearly walked right into me the otherday :torture:

i was feeling all :nervous: coz it was just looking at me and walking right at me
that's no way to talk about your hubby :p :D

[Abu Hurairah]

that's no way to talk about your hubby :p :D
:rotfl:You the man.

[MMS]

:rotfl:You the man.

and ur not one :rotfl::rotfl:

[Abu Hurairah]

and ur not one :rotfl::rotfl:
How do you know? :rolleyes:

:nono: STOP coming over to the brother's wudhu area checking out the Uncles :coolbro:.....FATSO!

[MMS]

How do you know? :rolleyes:

:nono: STOP coming over to the brother's wudhu area checking out the Uncles :coolbro:.....FATSO!

there wasnt any brothers present at that time, only a fish swimming in the sink :D

[Abu Hurairah]

there wasnt any brothers present at that time, only a fish swimming in the sink :D
So you must have been real disappointed seen as the Uncle jees :coolbro: done a runner :(, probably cooked and ate the fishie too.....FATTY!

[RashidD]

Off topic and spam... Just a reminder... :)

[MG]

You and Ukthy MG should try contacting: http://www.sacred-archery.com/ (http://www.sacredarchery.com)

Their meant to be good.

akhi that link isnt working for me....ok it is now! j/k

[muslimah85]

Im willing to train some sisters inshallah if theyre interested :)

[MG]

Im willing to train some sisters inshallah if theyre interested :)


wat about lil wee kiddies? lol

[leela]

Archery is great fun! :D After the first time I went, my shoulders were really aching and I had to use a special left-handers one. But still fantastic. :up:
If you haven't tried it, you really should.

[Al Qiyamah]

hmm Masha'Allah would like to try out Horseriding one day @)

[bint]

yeah id love to learn archery..not so keen on horseriding..im a tad scared..

know someone that practices it..with her hubby..inshaAllah im going to do the same..

and guns too :p

[Medievalist]

Alhamdulillah done archery for a good 2-3 years at school and enjoyed it.

Horseriding - have the intention but nothing definite yet although have rode a horse kinda when back home but nothing significant.

Swimming - alhamdulillah used to do it quite a lot when I was younger but aint been for years :o

Wrestling - :D:D bi/tri-weekly activity with one of my brothers :D:D

and in regards kids - OBVIOUSLY sons have to be given training in these types of physical activity. Its part of their nature and also if lads aint doing good wholesome activities then they go down unwholesome destructive activities route - ALLAH save us from the like thereof.

[MG]

Alhamdulillah done archery for a good 2-3 years at school and enjoyed it.

Horseriding - have the intention but nothing definite yet although have rode a horse kinda when back home but nothing significant.

Swimming - alhamdulillah used to do it quite a lot when I was younger but aint been for years :o

Wrestling - :D:D bi/tri-weekly activity with one of my brothers :D:D

and in regards kids - OBVIOUSLY sons have to be given training in these types of physical activity. Its part of their nature and also if lads aint doing good wholesome activities then they go down unwholesome destructive activities route - ALLAH save us from the like thereof.


*shock* u did archery at school? what kinda school did u go to? we jus about got taken to our swimming lessons at my school!

[Medievalist]

*shock* u did archery at school? what kinda school did u go to? we jus about got taken to our swimming lessons at my school!

alhamdulillah they had a wide range of extra-curricular activities at my secondary school :)

[MG]

alhamdulillah they had a wide range of extra-curricular activities at my secondary school :)

mashallah that is excellent

[Abu Hurairah]

The virtues of horses and keeping them for the purpose of jihad:

Allah says: And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know but whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged. (Al Anfal 60)

Abu Hurairah narrated: The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever keeps a horse for the sake of Allah, believing in Allah and His promise, then the horse’s feeding, drinking, droppings, and urine are going to be on his scale of good deeds on the Day of Judgment.” (Bukhari)

The virtues of target shooting:

[All this would apply to modern forms of weaponry]

Allah says: And prepare against them whatever you are able of power (al Anfal 60)

Uqbah bin Aamir narrated: I heard the Messenger of Allah on the pulpit say: “ “And prepare against them whatever you are able of power” and power is the ability to shoot, power is the ability to shoot, power is the ability to shoot” (Muslim)

Khalid bin Zaid said I used to be good at archery and Uqbah would go out target shooting with me. One day I was reluctant to go out so he told me: “O Khalid, let me tell you what I heard the Messenger of Allah say. He said: “Allah admits three people into Paradise because of one arrow. The one who makes it, doing so with the intention of good, the one who shoots it and the one who hands it over to the archer. So go out and train in archery and in horseback riding. And I prefer you train in archery. Entertainment is appropriate in only three forms:
Training your horse, playing with your wife, and archery. And whoever learns archery andthen abandons it has rejected a blessing from Allah” (al Mussanaf – Musnad Abi Awnah – Abu Dawud – al Hakim (Thahabi agreed)

Salamah bin al Akwa said: The Messenger of Allah passed next to boys playing a game of archery. He said: “Shoot children of Ismael, your father was great archer. Shoot and I will join so and so” and he joined one of the teams. The Messenger of Allah then said: “Why did you stop?” They said: “How can we do so when you are with them?” He said: “Go ahead and shoot, I am with all of you!” (Bukhari)

Uqbah said: I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “You will conquer many lands and you will be safe and secure. If that happens don’t fail to play with your arrows!” (Muslim)



Ata bin Rabah said: I saw Jabir bin Abdullah and Jabir bin Umair al Ansari target shooting while one of them got bored and sat down. The other told him: I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Everything that is not remembrance of Allah is in vain except four things: Your walking between your targets, training your horse, playing with your wife, and swimming practice” (Nasa’i – Tabarani)

The scholars have stated that it is recommended to target shoot between two targets on opposite sides. So you stand next to one and shoot at the other and then walk towards the other one, pick up the arrows and then shoot at the first one.

The author of al Mughni stated that it is Sunnah to shoot at two opposite facing targets since this was how the Sahabah used to practice. It is narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: “Between the two targets is a garden of Paradise”

Abu Uthman al Nahdi said: We received a letter from Umar when we were with Utbah bin Farqad in Azerbaijan. He said: “…Wear the dress of your father Ismael and beware of luxury and the clothes of the non Muslims. Spend time under the sun since it is the bath of the Arabs. Be rough, be coarse, and be prepared. Sometimes walk barefoot, and jump over horsebacks rather than climb them. Shoot targets and walk between them” (Al Sunnan al Kubra by al Bayhaqi with an acceptable chain)

Amr bin Absah said we were laying siege to al Taif and I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Whoever shoots an arrow in the sake of Allah will be rewarded like one who has freed a slave” Amr said I shot 16 arrows on that day. (Al Nasa’i – al Hakim – Tirmithi – Abu Dawud)

Kaab bin Murrah said :I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Whoever reaches with his arrow a target among the enemy, Allah will raise him one level in Paradise” Abdullah bin al Naham said: “And what is a level like?” The Messenger of Allah said: “Don’t think that a level is like the doorstep of your mothers house. The distance between two levels is a hundred years” (Al Mujtaba (authentic according to the rules of Muslim)

Amr bin Absah said: The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever shoots an arrow, regardless of whether it reaches the enemy or not, would be like the one who frees a Muslim slave, and that would free him from Hellfire” (Al Nasa’i with an authentic chain)

Abu Umamah narrated: The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever grows a gray hair in Islam, it will be light for him on the Day of Judgment, and whoever shoots an arrow in the cause of Allah, whether he hits or misses, will be like the one who frees a slave from the descendents of Ismail” (Al Tabarani)

Utbah bin Abd al Sulami narrated: The Messenger of Allah told his companions: “Stand up and fight!” So a man stood up and shot an arrow. The Messenger of Allah said: “This man is granted Paradise” (Ahmad)

In the past hadith of Amr bin Absah is evidence that shooting one arrow in the path of Allah saves that person from Hellfire and Allah knows best.

Ibrahim al Tamimi narrates from his father that he said: I have seen Huthaifah in Mada’in running between his two targets with a bare top. (Saeed bin Mansoor (authentic)

[Huthaifah would run rather than walk between the two targets and would not wear clothes on the upper half of his body as a training on hardship]

Mujahid said: I have seen Abdullah bin Umar running between his two targets and he was saying how can I achieve it! How can I achieve it! (Saeed bin Mansoor (authentic)

“How can I achieve it” refers to martyrdom since that was their aspiration. Although it could possibly be refering to the targets.

This shows you the attention the companions gave to target shooting. They used to celebrate target shooting and they were active in it to the extent that one of them would not even walk between the two targets but would run in order to train themselves. This was their practice and they are the suns and stars of guidance, and the kings of this world and the next. What they did was the best of actions. It is enough that Allah said about them: [I]“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking bounty from Allah and His pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the traces of prostration”

Therefore the target shooter should leave behind formalities while practicing and should be laid back with their brothers when in practice. The intentions should be for Allah and seeking His reward, and should realize that what they are doing is one of the greatest acts of worship and not merely a form of entertainment or sport. They should thank Allah for giving them health and strength to practice and should praise Allah for making it beloved to them. It is acceptable to laugh and play with your brothers while practicing, in fact, it is recommended since it makes target shooting dearer to you.

Bilal bin Saad said: “I have seen men who would run between their targets and joke with each other, but when night arrives they would be monks” Bilal was one of them. He was one of the great scholars of al Tabi’een and one of their worshipers. He was among the ones who would pray a thousand rakahs per night.

Shams al Deen bin al Jawziah stated in his book “Knighthood” that Ibn Taymiyah said: “It is narrated that some men where target shooting when it was told to the Messenger of Allah: “It is time for prayers” He said: “They are in prayers” So he considered that their target shooting is equivalent to praying”

It is the consensus of the scholars of the Ummah that competitions in horse racing and target shooting are not only allowed but are a sunnah and the one who participates in them would be rewarded as long as the intention is preparation for jihad.

The warning against whoever learns shooting and then deserts it:

Faqeem al Lakhmi told Uqbah bin Amer: “You are running between these two targets and you are at this old age!” Uqbah said: “If it wasn’t for some words I heard from the Messenger of Allah I wouldn’t have gone through this” The narrator asked what those words were, he said:
“Whoever learns target shooting and then abandons it is not one of us – or he said, “has committed a sin” (Muslim)

Some of the scholars are of the opinion that learning target shooting and then abandoning it is one of the major sins based on the rule that whenever the Messenger of Allah say: “He is not one of us” or a statement similar to that, it is referring to a major sin.

Source: From the chapters ‘Virtues of Jihaad and Mujahideen’ and ‘The rules and virtues of target shooting’ from the classical book Mashari al-Ashwaq ila masari al-Ushaaq wa Mutheer al-Gharaam ila Daar Assalam by the Mujahid Shaykh Abi Zakaryya al Dimashqi al Dumyati (Ibn Nuhaas) rahimullah (D. 814 Hijri).

[MG]

hmm Masha'Allah would like to try out Horseriding one day @)

i can imagine me being dragged along with one leg still in the saddle

[Abu Hurairah]

Archery from the Sunnah?

1.

It is reported in Sahih Bukhari (hadeeth no. 4.170) by Salama (ra):

The Messenger of Allaah (saw) passed by some people from the tribe of Aslam practicing archery. He said, "O children of Ishmael! Throw (arrows), for your father was an archer. I am on the side of Bani so-and-so,""What has happened to them?" They replied, "How shall we throw while you are with Bani so-and-so?" He said, (meaning one of the two teams). The other team stopped throwing, whereupon the Prophet said, "Throw for I am with all of you."

2.

It is reported in Sahih Muslim (hadeeth no. 4711) by Uqbar ibn Amir (ra):
I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) say - and he was delivering a sermon from the pulpit: Prepare to meet them with as much strength as you can afford. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery. Beware, strength consists in archery.

3.

It is reported in Sunan Abu Dawood (hadeeth no. 2507) by Uqbar ibn Amir (ra):
I heard the Apostle of Allaah (peace be upon him) say: Allaah, Most High, will cause three persons to enter Paradise for one arrow: the maker when he has a good motive in making it, the one who shoots it, and the one who hands it; so shoot and ride, but your shooting is dearer to me than your riding. Everything with which a man amuses himself is vain except three (things): a man's training of his horse, his playing with his wife, and his shooting with his bow and arrow. If anyone abandons archery after becoming an adept through distaste for it, it is a blessing he has abandoned; or he said: for which he has been ungrateful.

[Medievalist]

Hadrat Abu Hurayrah :jkk:

[K h a l i l]

Archery is sooo FUN!

3 bullseye's from 5 arrows last time i went!!

[Abu Hurairah]

Hadrat Abu Hurayrah :jkk:
Barak'allahu Feek ya Shaykh.
Archery is sooo FUN!

3 bullseye's from 5 arrows last time i went!!
Na'am for you, Ukthy MG and all others who are interested some brothers and sisters will be doing an open day soon for all the family whereby you can try archery youself, please see:

Archery: A Sunnah Revived- Muslim Open Day Sun. 26th August '07 (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137857)

[Medievalist]

Im intending to start horseriding when I go back to uni - on condition my student funding comes through :torture:

[Abu Hurairah]

Im intending to start horseriding when I go back to uni - on condition my student funding comes through :torture:
Moulanah you better get your whole family to enrol and get out them stud£nt loans- you'll need loads of ca$h! :rubeyes:

[Medievalist]

Moulanah you better get your whole family to enrol and get out them stud£nt loans- you'll need loads of ca$h! :rubeyes:

nah bro - its only a few quid more expensive than driving lessons. I think you can have an hour lesson for 25 quid innit. Slowly but surely :up:

[Abu Hurairah]

nah bro - its only a few quid more expensive than driving lessons. I think you can have an hour lesson for 25 quid innit. Slowly but surely :up:
Oh masha'allah sounds good, need to try this- is this up North though? :(

[Medievalist]

Oh masha'allah sounds good, need to try this- is this up North though? :(

Theres a place off M42 - cant remember its name in midlands.

Theres riding schools up in south yorkshire with similar price range. :up:

[Abu Hurairah]

Theres a place off M42 - cant remember its name in midlands.

Theres riding schools up in south yorkshire with similar price range. :up:
Yeah you Northerners have it all. :(

I got to see if stables here are reasonable like that.

[Medievalist]

Yeah you Northerners have it all. :(

I got to see if stables here are reasonable like that.

well there's a reason you people get paid more - tight gets :outta:

[Abu Hurairah]

well there's a reason you people get paid more - tight gets :outta:
Not all of us get paid more. :(

Stuff down here is three times more expensive than up North, but masha'allah everything is more cleaner and at least we know about hygene unlike the food and 'humans' of Northerners. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*

[Medievalist]

Not all of us get paid more. :(

Stuff down here is three times more expensive than up North, but masha'allah everything is more cleaner and at least we know about hygene unlike the food and 'humans' of Northerners. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*

Bro - picking fish outta the pond in yr back yard is hardly hygienic **outta**



:rotfl:

[Abu Hurairah]

Bro - picking fish outta the pond in yr back yard is hardly hygienic **outta**

:rotfl:
Well it beats cleaning your hands with toilet water inside the loo before a meal like you Northen lot. *Rolls :rolleyes: Eyes*

[Emelianenko]

im gonna start archery inshALLAH.

some bros started a 6 week course here :D

[MG]

im gonna start archery inshALLAH.

some bros started a 6 week course here :D


whoa!,where did ya find this thread:rubeyes:

mashallah at u doing archery, i would love to do horseriding one day.


i would be excellent at archery, i would imagine certain peoples faces on the archery board and id get a bullseye everytime

[Abu Hurairah]

whoa!,where did ya find this thread:rubeyes:

mashallah at u doing archery, i would love to do horseriding one day.

i would be excellent at archery, i would imagine certain peoples faces on the archery board and id get a bullseye everytime
Insha'allah go to this: Archery: A Sunnah Revived- Muslim Open Day Sun. 26th August '07 (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137857) and try your hands at archery.

Drag the little bro of ours there too insha'allah as its a family day out thing with food, bouncy castles, etc. I am sure he will love it.

[MG]

Insha'allah go to this: Archery: A Sunnah Revived- Muslim Open Day Sun. 26th August '07 (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137857) and try your hands at archery.

Drag the little bro of ours there too insha'allah as its a family day out thing with food, bouncy castles, etc. I am sure he will love it.


ooohhh j/k :up:

still like horseriding tho :rubeyes:

[Abu Hurairah]

ooohhh j/k :up:

still like horseriding tho :rubeyes:
Barak'allahu Feeki.

Na'am same here- I have been looking into horse riding near London but so far the stables that allow this for newbies need major $£$£$ just for an hour or so. :(

Up North it looks decent price according to Akhy Med alhamdulilah.

[MG]

Barak'allahu Feeki.

Na'am same here- I have been looking into horse riding near London but so far the stables that allow this for newbies need major $£$£$ just for an hour or so. :(

Up North it looks decent price according to Akhy Med alhamdulilah.


up north is cheap :(


London is about £35+ for 1hour lesson:rubeyes:

[Abu Hurairah]

up north is cheap :(

London is about £35+ for 1hour lesson:rubeyes:
Ukthy if you happen to come by any that allow for £30 or less insha'allah in London or close please do post the details here insha'allah. :)

[MG]

Ukthy if you happen to come by any that allow for £30 or less insha'allah in London or close please do post the details here insha'allah. :)

inshallah will do.

The "cheapest" one i have come across is £35:rubeyes:

[Abu Hurairah]

inshallah will do.

The "cheapest" one i have come across is £35:rubeyes:
Well alhamdulillah thats cheaper than the ones I have come across so far, one dude said £54.00 an hour and another said something like £45.00 and so on! :eek:

The all sound posh and think we are made of money, and actually believe thats reasonable price.

I am also looking into rifle/ clay pigeon shooting too. :D

[MG]

Well alhamdulillah thats cheaper than the ones I have come across so far, one dude said £54.00 an hour and another said something like £45.00 and so on! :eek:

The all sound posh and think we are made of money, and actually believe thats reasonable price.

I am also looking into rifle/ clay pigeon shooting too. :D


maybe we will just have to make do with riding on the donkey's at the funfair for 50pence :(

i have come across this akhi, check it out:

[Abu Hurairah]

maybe we will just have to make do with riding on the donkey's at the funfair for 50pence :(

i have come across this akhi, check it out:
LOL yeah :D, or go off to the ME for study and ride horses there alhamdulillah as many brothers do.

Jezak'illah for that Lea Valley attachment my sister, would it not be wonderful if some brothers and sisters got together and organised the complete package near us of horse riding, archery, etc and other lost Sunnah reviving them in the community?

[MG]

LOL yeah :D, or go off to the ME for study and ride horses there alhamdulillah as many brothers do.

Jezak'illah for that Lea Valley attachment my sister, would it not be wonderful if some brothers and sisters got together and organised the complete package near us of horse riding, archery, etc and other lost Sunnah reviving them in the community?


i know :(


maybe a kind and generous bro or sis who knows even more generous people might fix something up for us inshallah :rubeyes:

[Abu Hurairah]

i know :(

maybe a kind and generous bro or sis who knows even more generous people might fix something up for us inshallah :rubeyes:
Let us pray that some day during our life time this generous brother comes along soon and does the right thing. :D

Them fat Arab oil barron types have soooo much money- they really do not need another 15 Limos and some palace, just give some back to the Ummah so that we can practise what the Prophet (saw) advised. :(

[MG]

Let us pray that some day during our life time this generous brother comes along soon and does the right thing. :D

Them fat Arab oil barron types have soooo much money- they really do not need another 15 Limos and some palace, just give some back to the Ummah so that we can practise what the Prophet (saw) advised. :(


to right, most bros and sisters i come across dont even know Horseriding and archery are sunnah:rubeyes:

we need to revive this!

[*Al-Qadr*]

Lea Valley hackneyy :hidban:

[Abu Hurairah]

to right, most bros and sisters i come across dont even know Horseriding and archery are sunnah:rubeyes:

we need to revive this!
Na'am but somehow I do not think those chubby rich Arabs will give some money for such good causes. :(
Lea Valley hackneyy :hidban:
They have some ice skating venue there too I think. :confused:

[*Al-Qadr*]

They have some ice skating venue there too I think. :confused:

Yea, lee valley ice skating centre. Drove past never been tho.
If any1 wanna go to lee valley for the thing mg posted the 48 n 55 bus go there :scratch:

[Abu Hurairah]

Yea, lee valley ice skating centre. Drove past never been tho.
If any1 wanna go to lee valley for the thing mg posted the 48 n 55 bus go there :scratch:
I have no idea what Bus or Tube goes there, sorry.

Insha'allah before going give them a call and book out the session and confirm rather than just turning up.

Ask them for transportation info. and directions, etc if needbe.

[Abu Muslim]

Alhamdulilah, All Praise due to Allah, from his mercy, I have managed to fulfill 2 of the 3 sunnahs and been horseriding and swimming one after the other..

Horseriding is the most fun you can have on 4 legs, giddy up horsie. And by the way...they are faaaaaast.

[Emelianenko]

whoa!,where did ya find this thread:rubeyes:

mashallah at u doing archery, i would love to do horseriding one day.


i would be excellent at archery, i would imagine certain peoples faces on the archery board and id get a bullseye everytime
Ders a Maulana in a town nxt to us who started it, mashaAllah non muslims came n all with there kids. So some brothers are expanding it now and starting it at our town inshaAllah...so gonna enrol onto it.

Horseriding, got a horse in fakistan..i cud learn to horseride back der inshaAllah :p

[1 LOVE 1 DEEN]

Assalamualaikum.

Alhamdulillah i have done both karate and boxing to a good level.

Swimming i'm ok not great though.

Love horse riding, but not on the english saddle and definately not the english style! Posting the trot makes a person look so silly. Western saddle and western style all the way.

I have done mounted shooting aswel, if you travel to new mexico there are a lot of places which will let you practice shooting at targets whilst riding, it's pretty cool.

Anyone ridden a horse in Egypt around the pyramids, the horses are soo lame!

Wasalam.

Oh yeah i did archery in France but it wasn't that gr8.

[MG]

Ders a Maulana in a town nxt to us who started it, mashaAllah non muslims came n all with there kids. So some brothers are expanding it now and starting it at our town inshaAllah...so gonna enrol onto it.

Horseriding, got a horse in fakistan..i cud learn to horseride back der inshaAllah :p


im having problems getting used to u being pakistani and not bengali anymore :rubeyes:

mashallah at the maulana, inshallah someone starts up something like this soon. For the london Bros, can u all mention it in your masjids, especially on fridays cos someone might be interested in starting something up inshallah.


Assalamualaikum.

Alhamdulillah i have done both karate and boxing to a good level.

Swimming i'm ok not great though.

Love horse riding, but not on the english saddle and definately not the english style! Posting the trot makes a person look so silly. Western saddle and western style all the way.

I have done mounted shooting aswel, if you travel to new mexico there are a lot of places which will let you practice shooting at targets whilst riding, it's pretty cool.

Anyone ridden a horse in Egypt around the pyramids, the horses are soo lame!

Wasalam.

Oh yeah i did archery in France but it wasn't that gr8.

wa alaikum aslaam

stop showing off :(

[1 LOVE 1 DEEN]

well i got footage of me horseriding bareback(<--not recomended).................. ........and it had to be when i fell off!! :o

and yes it did hurt ...... :(

wasalam

[Mazed]

and swimming too.
.

and sporting with ones wife

[Abu Hurairah]

Subhan'allah the reaction of the second tribe makes me smile every time:

Salamah ibn Al-Akwa` narrates that "the Prophet passed by some people from the tribe of Aslam while they were competing in archery (in the market). He said to them, 'Shoot children of Isma'il, your father was a skilled marksman. Shoot and I am with so and so.' One of the two teams therein stopped shooting. The Prophet asked, 'Why do you not you shoot?' They answered, 'How could we shoot while you are with them (the other team). He then said, 'Shoot and I am with you all.'" (Al-Bukhari)

Found in Shaykh'ul Islam Ibn Taymiyyah's Al-Montaqa Min Akhbar Al-Mustafa, (Chosen Traditions from the News of the Prophet) under the Chapter of Encouraging'
and sporting with ones wife
Na'am very true- our Rasul (saw) would race with Aishah (ra):

`A'ishah (may Allaah be pleased from her) said, "I raced with the Prophet and I beat him. Later when I had put on some weight, we raced again and he won. Then he said, 'This cancels that (referring to the previous race)'" (Al-Bukhari).

[Abu Hurairah]

The Prophet (saw) wrestling

Muhammad ibn `Ali ibn Rukanah said, "Rukanah wrestled with the Prophet and the Prophet won" (Abu Dawud).

And another version of the same hadith states:

The Prophet (Sallallâhu alaihi wasallam) once wrestled with a man called Rukanah who was well-known for his strength, throwing him down more than once. (Abu Dawood).

Shaykh Ahmed Musa Jibril (Hafidh'Allah- may Allah protect and free him) does commentary of this hadith in the explanation of Bulugh Al-Maram: Hadith on Fighting by stating:

Is wrestling haram?

The answer to this depends if the face is being struck. If not, then this sport is allowable in Islaam. There is a hadith where the Prophet (peace be upon him) permitted wrestling. Rikaan, the man who was known to be very good in wrestling, challenged the Prophet to a match. He said if the Prophet won, he would become a Muslim. The Prophet agreed and wrestled the man. The Prophet won. The man asked for another match. Again, the Prophet beat him. So the man became Muslim.

This hadith is used as one of the proofs that niqaab (face covering) is wajib.
This hadith teaches that the face is a beautiful and honorable part of the body. The scholars say that if that which is less honourable and beautiful (such as the body) has been ordered to be covered, then what is more beautiful and honoured, i.e. face, should be protected and covered the most.

See: http://www.ahmadjibril.com/students/fighting.html

[Abu Hurairah]

'Umar bin al-Khattab (ra) performs a miracle and attains 'Ilm (by wrestling)

'Abdullah bin Mas'ud narrated:

"A man from among the humans went out and was met by a man from among the jinn, who said: "Will you wrestle with me? If you throw me to the ground, I will teach you an verse which, if you recite it when you enter your house, no devil will enter." So, he wrestled with him and threw him to the ground. He said: "I see that you are very small and your forearms are like the front paws of a dog. Are all the jinn like this, or only you?" He said: "I am strong amongst them. Let us wrestle again." So, they wrestled again and the human threw him to the ground. So, the jinn said: "Recite Ayat al-Kursi, for no one recites it when he enters his house except that Satan leaves, passing wind like a donkey.""

It was said to Ibn Mas'ud: "Was that man 'Umar?"

He said: "Who else could it have been, other than 'Umar?"

'Majma' az-Zawa'id'; 9/71, and it is authentic

[Rosalie-Beauty]

My dad takes me for archery every now and then. I feel like I'm some warrior from the middle ages....lol, its fun though.