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ibn suleman
13-03-07, 09:43 PM
do selfless actions exist???
or is there always an ulterior motive...
:rofl1: loving the typo! :p
Yes i do believe that there are selfless acts, and selfless people who will do things from their heart without expecting anything in return. Maybe im naive, maybe im deluded, whatever it is- i have faith that some people like this exist and they resotre my faith in humanity! :D
ibn suleman
13-03-07, 10:43 PM
:rofl1: loving the typo! :p
Yes i do believe that there are selfless acts, and selfless people who will do things from their heart without expecting anything in return. Maybe im naive, maybe im deluded, whatever it is- i have faith that some people like this exist and they resotre my faith in humanity! :D
:smack:
can a mod change it please :)
Chained_Water
13-03-07, 10:48 PM
:smack:
can a mod change it please :)
Done.
As an act of selflessness :p
ibn suleman
13-03-07, 10:52 PM
Done.
As an act of selflessness :p
:jkk:
:D
:salams
i dno... even when someone does sumt to make another happy, isnt that cos they like the feelin of happiness themselves so they wanna make others happy so they can be happy and everyone can be happy and then it'll just be a happy happy world........ cept they've done it all for the sake of happiness...
like if i dont thnk about it much id say yeh they do exist... if i start thinkn about it then im like no they dont :torture:
ibn suleman
13-03-07, 11:15 PM
:salams
i dno... even when someone does sumt to make another happy, isnt that cos they like the feelin of happiness themselves so they wanna make others happy so they can be happy and everyone can be happy and then it'll just be a happy happy world........ cept they've done it all for the sake of happiness...
like if i dont thnk about it much id say yeh they do exist... if i start thinkn about it then im like no they dont :torture:
:wswrwb:
hmm ill haveta think abt that..
Monica03
13-03-07, 11:18 PM
Its easy to be selfless with babies and children :inlove:
PS. what was the typo?
:salams
i dno... even when someone does sumt to make another happy, isnt that cos they like the feelin of happiness themselves so they wanna make others happy so they can be happy and everyone can be happy and then it'll just be a happy happy world........ cept they've done it all for the sake of happiness...
like if i dont thnk about it much id say yeh they do exist... if i start thinkn about it then im like no they dont :torture:
wa alaikum assalam
i agree 100%
I am involved with search and rescue here and have witnessed many selfless acts. It happens in the spur of the moment when someone sees someone else in pain or danger and without thinking they act, sometimes putting themselves at great risk.
Ask anyone that's ever been at the scene of a major disaster and there will always be those that will risk everything that they have to save that one person and when you ask them afterwards why they did it, they just do not know.
good point T, spur of the moment things seem to be purer in ikhlas, but when your planning something u start to contaminate it with other thoughts and desires, and same afterwards when u feel happy with yourself which probably deletes so many deeds.
But yeah, i think the running into a burning house type scenario is going to be far more sincerely for Allah, cos noone wants to get burned.
selfless acts and people definately exist, doesnt seem to be in large numbers but they do exist mashallah
Raggy Doll
14-03-07, 09:18 AM
by and large the ulterior motive for a muslim is always reward but even if the incentive of a reward was unavailable, kindness and sincerity prevails in assisting a need wherever it may be regardless of benefiting the self.
so actions can be selfless but the nehmah of those actions is that Allah rewards them inshallah.
May he purify the intentions behind our actions to please him alone inshallah. Ameen
tauheedul
14-03-07, 12:53 PM
do selfless actions exist???
or is there always an ulterior motive...
silly question, of course they do. Sacrafices made by prophets????
Muslims who should but their borthers needs before their own (although a few people are caring these days)
summer786
14-03-07, 05:49 PM
do selfless actions exist???
or is there always an ulterior motive...
has sum1 been watching friends?
cl@rity
14-03-07, 05:59 PM
i believe they do exist.
has sum1 been watching friends?
The episode where phoebe and Joey go on a mission to prove each other wrong about altruism? ;) lol!
There is a point in what someone else posted though- as in, do we do good deeds because we ultimately feel happy and good about ourselves deep down? Theres a sense of positive reinforcement and increased self-esteem by knowing that youve done something good for someone (or a good deed in general). I guess thats human nature in general- we like to be acknowledged and appreciated for the good we do- it helps us maintain our self-esteem and psychological wellbeing.
good point T, spur of the moment things seem to be purer in ikhlas, but when your planning something u start to contaminate it with other thoughts and desires, and same afterwards when u feel happy with yourself which probably deletes so many deeds.
But yeah, i think the running into a burning house type scenario is going to be far more sincerely for Allah, cos noone wants to get burned.
:salams
how come...? cos i do feel happy when i make someone happy :o
Al Qiyamah
14-03-07, 07:39 PM
I haven't read the thread...but what does selfless mean? :scratch:...
urban_rose
14-03-07, 07:41 PM
Basically unselfish :up:
Al Qiyamah
14-03-07, 07:43 PM
Basically unselfish :up:
@) lol ...:jkk: :D
As-Sajdah
14-03-07, 07:43 PM
I haven't read the thread...but what does selfless mean? :scratch:...
:wswrwb:
Selfless is when u do sumthn, not for your own interests at all, as in purely for something/someone else (this is how ive understood it)
Say you do something, that will bring you NO gain, but instead its purely for the gain of someone else.
The opposite of selfess is Selfish, where u do everythin onli considering u...
Me..Myself n I sorta thing looool
:)
As-Sajdah
14-03-07, 07:44 PM
Basically unselfish :up:
loool, summed up my post in 2 words lol :up:
As-Sajdah
14-03-07, 07:47 PM
:smack:
can a mod change it please :)
looool, jus saw the typo, thts one joke typo :rofl1:
Dnt wuri bro, it happens to all of us :)
:salams
Al Qiyamah
14-03-07, 07:48 PM
:wswrwb:
Selfless is when u do sumthn, not for your own interests at all, as in purely for something/someone else (this is how ive understood it)
Say you do something, that we bring you NO gain, but instead its purely for the gain of someone else.
The opposite of selfess is Selfish, where u do everythin onli considering u...
Me..Myself n I sorta thing looool
:)
:salams...lool :jkk: for the detailed explanation :) :up:
As-Sajdah
14-03-07, 07:56 PM
:salams...lool :jkk: for the detailed explanation :) :up:
looool, BarakAllahu Feeki :up:
ghanamuslima
14-03-07, 09:58 PM
i do believe there are people who do things solely for ALLAH'S pleasure i know some of them. Alhamdulillah:inlove:
Abu Mus'ab
18-03-07, 08:07 PM
:salams
how come...? cos i do feel happy when i make someone happy :o
As far as i know it doesn't remove your good deeds if you feel happy when you make someone happy, it's when you brag about it that you lose those deeds.
Abu Mus'ab
18-03-07, 08:18 PM
hmm selfless actions do exist.
but if you really want to delve into it then you can say selfless actions don't exist.
for instance i give you my chocolate, you get happy, so i get happy that you're happy = not selfless, he did it to get happy, that's how some people interprete it.
or in it's original meaning of selfless, i give you my chocolate, you get happy, i get happy because you're happy, but i get no wordly benefit, nor do i get more chocolates in return, nor are you going to repay me at a later stage, and so on and so forth, that equals selflessness in it's real meaning, and that's my madhab *Roll Eyes*
ur_yusra
19-03-07, 12:29 AM
I always think the pious muslims are the most selfish of people... every act of kindness they do.. is in fact for Allah (SWT) and for their scales to be that much heavier in good deeds in yawmul hisaab..
So like if I smile at a muslim.. its because I know that smiling at them is an act of charity and it will grant me hasanah which I can take with me to the hereafter..and if this wasn't the case.. maybe I wouldn't smile at them?
Thats one twisted way of looking at it..
Abu Mus'ab
19-03-07, 09:16 AM
Thats one twisted way of looking at it..
That's for sure *Roll Eyes*
I agree with ur_yusra, this is the truth.
If you think about it, the mu'min does not do actions for some personal gain in ad-dunya, to gain something from people with an ulterior motive. You do them for Allah (swt) and for al-akhirah, so yes they are selfless in regards to this dunya.
ibn suleman
19-03-07, 03:24 PM
I always think the pious muslims are the most selfish of people... every act of kindness they do.. is in fact for Allah (SWT) and for their scales to be that much heavier in good deeds in yawmul hisaab..
So like if I smile at a muslim.. its because I know that smiling at them is an act of charity and it will grant me hasanah which I can take with me to the hereafter..and if this wasn't the case.. maybe I wouldn't smile at them?
Thats one twisted way of looking at it..
:up: absoultely
i think the poll should be for worldly ulterior motives :scratch: hmmm..cant remeber what it was supposed to be..
Abdulah
19-03-07, 04:15 PM
At times when i have been quite ill, i think to myself and see that i have medicine to cure me. While in many regions of the world people don't even have clean water making their situation worse. So use this as encourage next time you are ill with something like the flu to give zaakat, which i believe is a selfless act as you care for others.
Abu_Mohammad_21
19-03-07, 05:25 PM
The selfless act can be broken down further.
Seeing someone in distress makes us feel bad, that is a human trait. Now I’ve forgotten most of the stuff from my psychology lessons, but I think its all about empathy, being able to put yourself into that person’s shoes, almost being able to feel their pain and wanting to relieve them of it. If there is no empathy, the deed that follows is not going to be 100% selfless. Lets say you see someone is distress, it makes you feel bad and to make yourself feel better, you do something to help that person - that action would have been based on wanting to make yourself feel better, there was no real empathy, therefore it wasn’t selfless. Hope that makes some sort of sense. :S
It is important to reflect on our deeds and intentions.
I’ve personally known many selfless people, guys that would move heaven and earth to help those around them, they were content and with what they had and almost lived for those around them. Guys that would go to great lengths to provide food for others and only eat the scraps left behind after everyone had finished, and that was enough for them. Guys that would go the extra mile, not for recognition or praise, they rejected that completely, they wouldn’t even recognise their own deeds, they would see them as pitiful and feel shame, these guys are like pure gold.
Abu_Mohammad_21
19-03-07, 05:44 PM
I always think the pious muslims are the most selfish of people... every act of kindness they do.. is in fact for Allah (SWT) and for their scales to be that much heavier in good deeds in yawmul hisaab..
So like if I smile at a muslim.. its because I know that smiling at them is an act of charity and it will grant me hasanah which I can take with me to the hereafter..and if this wasn't the case.. maybe I wouldn't smile at them?
Thats one twisted way of looking at it..
I don’t think that’s a realistic way to look at it.
We live to serve Allah – Most High, no doubt about it, the Prophets of Allah have told us how to live our lives, we follow their practices and aim to emulate them in every single way, they taught us the importance of looking after those that are weak, the importance of being gentle and kind, spreading love and happiness etc. All these actions are pleasing to Allah – Most High and our actions are all ultimately done to please our Lord, but with these very same actions we please those around us. When we smile and greet another Muslim, we feel happy and joyful, we feel these emotions, we aren’t just going through the motions.
That seems sort of muddled, my point is in there somewhere though. :S
hammersapu$$y
20-03-07, 01:07 AM
All deeds for the good of the Ummah are selfless.
Ar-Raya
20-03-07, 01:15 AM
I voted yes by mistake cos i'm soo tired...but i ment NO...
inshaAllah i'll explain why another time...zzzzzzzzzz
Of course there are selfless deeds. Some good deeds are done without a single thought, like helping an old lady who has fallen over get back on her feet.
jihad jonnie
23-03-07, 01:03 AM
Of course there are selfless deeds. Some good deeds are done without a single thought, like helping an old lady who has fallen over get back on her feet.The only selfless deeds were the ones the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did.
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