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Aengus
13-03-07, 04:37 PM
I'm a non-muslim Primary School Teacher working in a Muslim School. the only muslim teachers in the school are the Arabic and Religion Teachers. During my time at the school I have become gradually infuriated by a lack of consideration on the part of the Board of Management, which is administrated by the Mosque. The lack of consideration is towards the staff, that is the main class teachers none of whom are Muslim.

I must point out that we are all united on the issue of preserving the culture that the children belong to and on no account does one deliberately go out of one's way pervert that duty but in many many different ways one finds that one may unintentionally do something that is against Islamic teaching or its code of ethics. Nonetheless, though they have been asked the Management have failed to provide a checklist of the Do-es and Don'ts.

The school I work at is quite a poor school and the majority of the children are refugees, freshly arrived in the country from The Middle-East. The culture shock is huge and first they have to learn English. They are also expected to be able to do the same curriculum as everyone else, which I think is right and fair but their grasp of it is limited by limitations placed on the teacher by the Mangament. But there is no way of finding out about these limitations except by trail and error. One gradually builds up a mental list of what not to do by having done it one day. Its hardly ideal.

Due to the fact that the children come from different families from different ethnic and cultural backgrounds the school policy towards the observance of Islamic dress and religion tends to be fairly strict, presumably to set the right kind of example and to please all the parents instead of just a few. As a result the girls (its is a mixed school) are epxected to wear the scarves from the age of 7 onwards. They go to prayers every day at certain times and they have religion calsses regularly. All in all it seems to me to be quite a good school to send one's child for correct religious instruction.

Due to this strict observance of religious code the non-Muslim teacher is swamped by problems and limitations in teaching one's class. Specifically, as an example, yesterday I held a quiz in a class that was being most disruptive, as children always are. As a prize I offered a packet of sweets. It wasn't until the quiz was over and the winners were munching on their sweets that one of the losers informed me that gelatine was not Halal. I was quite annoyed at myself to discover this fact because I could have bought boiled sweets in the shop if I had known. But I didn't.

Now for a Muslim the fact that I didn't know something as self evident as this may seem a little silly but the fact is, as it seems to me, there are hundreds of items and things done in my everyday life that are deemed unholy in the Islamic world. I don't know about them because I'm not Muslim. I'm not averse to learning what they are but I don't have time enough in my life to study an entire religion. The Board has not furnished me with a checklist so I have to find out for myself. I'm wondering does anyone know of a website where I can find out about the Do-es and Don'ts of Islamic education.

Its not just food by the way. Its almost everything I attempt to teach. History is a huge problem because dates are very hard. I live in what one might call Christian country. Consequently, every History text book for schools uses the BC-AD dating system. But mentioning Christ in the classsroom is forbidden. I have explained the Before Present dating system but the fact remains that their textbooks say, for example, "The Great Pyramid was built c.2000BC." instead of "The Great Pyramid was built 4000 years ago." This can be very confusing for children especially the younger ones.

Literature is also very hard because if one comes to a story that includes mythical elements like dwarves or elves or even Pagan Gods it clashes with the ban on Idolatory. Instead one steers clear of these stories hoping to avoid questions like "What is a Fairy?" I feel this way of teaching the curriculum is educationally damaging.

So as a non-Muslim to a Forum of Muslims, with the unpmost repsect for all religions and cultures, can you please hepl me to do a better job.

Thank you

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 05:49 PM
Mentioning Jesus (as) in the classroom is forbidden ?? :scratch: thats a new rule on me!! Jesus (as) is a prophet of Allah. Mentioning him is fine, just say "alayhi salaam" after you say his name.

Eemaan
29-04-07, 05:54 PM
sorry for your troubles sounds like a rubbish set up....to have non muslims working at a muslim school who are without proper guidance and instruction.

Have you spoken to the board of governers about this issue and stipulated your demands. if my sprog was at a school like that id be well :55: if the teachers wernt clued up about my childs religious needs especially in a faith school :smack:

the hallal (lawful) and haraams (forbidden) acts we have are voluminooooooous, is there anything in particular you have issues or concerns with?

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 05:56 PM
I agree with you eemaan, it sounds completely ridiculous to me. How can they expect non Muslims to get stuff like this right if they are not told what is halal and haram!! Also the rule about not mentioning Jesus (as) in the classroom - doesn't sound right to me. Anyone know a fatwa about this?? Plus there is no problem with using CE/BCE dates, just call them CE (common era) and BCE (before common era) - the secularised names - instead of AD (anno domini=year of my lord) and BC (before Christ)

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 06:02 PM
Here's a breif list that might help inshaAllah:

1. no pictures depicting Allah, any Prophets (including Jesus (as) and Moses (as) and a number of others that also appear in the bible) or angels. Its best to avoid pictures of humans altogether. Scholars are not agreed on the extent to which this applies, but best to err on the side of caution. (biological diagrams e.g. showing skeleton or muscle system etc for educational purposes are okay as far as I know)

2. No pork. Other meats have to be slaughtered in the right way, all meat products must come from halal meat (i.e. correct animal, slaughtered in correct way)

3. Literature - try Islamic classical era literature like alf layla wa layla (1001 arabian nights, try to get a good translation though, some adaptations for westerners are a bit :wacko: )

4. Use CE/BCE dates as I described in my last post, although I don't think most Muslims particularly care about AD/BC dates

5. If you mention the name of a Prophet (as) say "alayhi salaam" afterwards, if it is Muhammad (saw) say "sallallah alayhi wa sallam" afterwards.

6. You can download prayer timetables off Islamic websites, so you can have a better idea of predicting prayer times for your lesson planning.

7. If I think of any more I'll post them inshaAllah.

8. Oh yeah, avoid music and musical instruments.

.: Anna :.
29-04-07, 07:11 PM
alf layla wa layla includes a lot of things which actually not suitable for kids and/or are quite crude...this is in the actual arabic not jst the translations. u can get books for kids with the stories from this which are suitable though but just 2 point out this book is not necessarily best moral and good book for little muslim children!

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 07:33 PM
alf layla wa layla includes a lot of things which actually not suitable for kids and/or are quite crude...this is in the actual arabic not jst the translations. u can get books for kids with the stories from this which are suitable though but just 2 point out this book is not necessarily best moral and good book for little muslim children!

:up: thanks for that :) I only know Aladdin, a bit of Sindibad al Bahri n Ali baba from it anyways...

Eemaan
29-04-07, 09:19 PM
I agree with you eemaan, it sounds completely ridiculous to me. How can they expect non Muslims to get stuff like this right if they are not told what is halal and haram!! Also the rule about not mentioning Jesus (as) in the classroom - doesn't sound right to me. Anyone know a fatwa about this?? Plus there is no problem with using CE/BCE dates, just call them CE (common era) and BCE (before common era) - the secularised names - instead of AD (anno domini=year of my lord) and BC (before Christ)

i use these as referance points all the time in history :scratch:

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 09:30 PM
when I was at uni we were told to use CE and BCE as convention because it is not specific to one religion. We also used YA (years ago) for some things, depends how long ago and how approximate the date.

Eemaan
29-04-07, 09:34 PM
when I was at uni we were told to use CE and BCE as convention because it is not specific to one religion. We also used YA (years ago) for some things, depends how long ago and how approximate the date.

:rotfl: i hate that, might as well say 'a long long time ago' :smack:

or my personal fave...'in the olden days..." :D

dhakiyya
29-04-07, 09:39 PM
no I mean like 35,000ya as opposed to 35,000bc cause archeological dating for that long ago is to the nearest thousand or so years so there is no point in specifying that its the year 35,000bc

Eemaan
29-04-07, 09:42 PM
no I mean like 35,000ya as opposed to 35,000bc cause archeological dating for that long ago is to the nearest thousand or so years so there is no point in specifying that its the year 35,000bc

i know :p

heaven2002
30-04-07, 06:46 PM
hope this helps

- kids that are from prac. muslim families arent allowed any animal or alchohol products (u can get VEGGIE sweets from asda) or i just use little chocolates

- junior kids might want to get changed for P.E seperately
(modesty, covering body)

- some kids may not be allowed swimming (again muslim kids are meant to cover certain parts of body)

- children may be relunctant to join in with music lessons or singing as some muslims do not listen to music

- children may be relunctant to hold hands say on a trip with opposite sex (again modesty issue and free-mingling of sexes isnt allowed for grown muslims)

- some children in my school are also not allowed to visit church for harvest etc as parents dont agree, although as far as i know theres nothing in islam which stops us from learning about other religions in this way

- in the holy month of ramadhan , the older kids may fast (no food or drink from sunrise to sunset , so they have a meal b4 sunrise) this may mean they lack concentration in the afternoon or are more tired than usual

if you have any other questions then ask:) im a primary teacher, work with both muslim and non-muslim kids

dhakiyya
30-04-07, 07:25 PM
- some children in my school are also not allowed to visit church for harvest etc as parents dont agree, although as far as i know theres nothing in islam which stops us from learning about other religions in this way


Just to clarify, it is not permitted for Muslim children to participate in festivals of other religions. Learning about them, visiting churches for educational purposes n so on its okay. Some Muslims are more strict and won't even allow visiting a church.